--- Log opened Sun Aug 14 00:00:00 2005
00:15 < Shingo--> mnemoc: how are you?
00:15 < mnemoc> tired
00:16 < Shingo--> I have merged somes packages in my trunk, I think somes are ready to send to T2 tree. Trac is the best way? 
00:17 < mnemoc> ML
00:17 < mnemoc> as -u patches
00:34 < rxr_> re
00:34 < rxr_> just wanted to note that I'm in berlin now - but good night ,-)
00:34 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr_ :)
00:44 < Shingo--> rxr_: I'm in Brazil now, so gn8 :)
00:51 < mnemoc> Shingo--: he was working at .ch all these days
00:54 < Shingo--> mnemoc: ???
00:57 < mnemoc> that's why he told us he was back on berlin
01:15 < Shingo--> ok. :)
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03:52 < keinek> hi
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05:15 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.0-rc2 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | BT http://torrent.t2-project.org/
05:15 -!- Topic set by vilkacis [] [Tue Aug  9 23:45:30 2005]
05:15 [Users #t2]
05:15 [@vilkacis ] [ dsoul ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ SerWou   ] 
05:15 [ _Lewellyn] [ jsaw  ] [ mtr   ] [ rxr_] [ Shingo-- ] 
05:15 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ keinek] [ nzg_  ] [ sepp] [ valentin_] 
05:15 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal]
05:15 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug  8 21:15:33 2004
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05:42 < guat> hi folks what does it means T2 linux ? 
05:43 < mnemoc> T2, not T2 linux ;)
05:43 < mnemoc> originaly try-two, like 'try again' or 'second chance' or ... :)
05:44 < mnemoc> but after some month without ideas, we adopted T2 as a name
05:45 < keinek> i thing t2 like, Terminator II
05:45 < guat> mnemoc: hum nice .... and the diferences between T2 n other distro?
05:45 < keinek> with Agnold shcnaiguer.
05:45 < keinek> :P
05:45 < mnemoc> T2 is not a distribution
05:46 < mnemoc> it's a kit to build and maintain custom distributions
05:46 < guat> hum
05:47 < Shingo--> guat: which distro are you using now?
05:47 < guat> so u guys don't wanna to transform it into a distro? is gonna stay as a kit ?
05:48 < guat> Shingo--: debian u know :P
05:48 < Shingo--> I don't remember that.
05:48 < mnemoc> we have sample distributions and each one of us has it's own distribution
05:49 < guat> mnemoc: hum and how is the package manager?
05:49 < mnemoc> you can't make a kit to build distributions without actually doing distribution :)
05:49 < Shingo--> guat: try to use. I belive after time you can create your own target. it's very cool.
05:49 < mnemoc> we have mine/gem legacy from rocklinux
05:49 < guat> hum
05:49 < mnemoc> but we plan to move to plain tar.bz2 soon
05:49 < guat> Shingo--: let m get some info first :P
05:50 < guat> mnemoc: why?
05:50 < mnemoc> we don't need an special format
05:50 < Shingo--> guat: ok :)
05:50 < mnemoc> the logic can be get extending libtar
05:51  * guat reading the handbook
05:51 < guat> RTFM :P got it hehe
05:51 < mnemoc> beware, the handbook is mainly focused on ROCKLinux 1.7
05:51 < keinek> guat, t2 will change your life for ever.
05:51 < mnemoc> a 'few' things has changed
05:51 < keinek> you cant sleep no more.
05:52 < guat> mnemoc: so where is the best place to get info?
05:52 < mnemoc> keinek: and you told me, addict?
05:52 < keinek> mnemoc, is just a warning.
05:52 < guat> keinek: we'll see :P
05:52 < keinek> :P
05:52 < mnemoc> guat: currently, using it and asking here
05:53 < guat> :/
05:53 < keinek> dont worry mnemoc will answer all.
05:53 < mnemoc> after releases 2.1.0 i'll focus on setting a real CMS up
05:53 < keinek> mnemoc, did you see my keys?
05:53 < mnemoc> keinek: you are closer to .br than i, you answer.
05:54 < Shingo--> sleep? what is it?
05:54 < mnemoc> something people do during night, and geeks do when they get sick
05:55 < Shingo--> huahuahau
05:55 < keinek> when a geeks sleep will dreaming ... mmmm we have nightmares, kernel panic... you know.
05:56 < mnemoc> i don't remember the last time i dreamed or had a nightmare during sleeping
05:56 < mnemoc> i just close the eyes, and open them a few 'seconds' later
05:56 < Shingo--> I had a lot of dreams with T2.
05:57 < mnemoc> it's good to dream
05:57 < mnemoc> i dream a lot, being awake.
05:57 < guat> mnemoc: u should quit drinking :P
05:58 < Shingo--> it's true. 
05:59 < keinek> the mnemoc's problem is firefox... too much extensions... 
05:59 < mnemoc> :)
06:00 < mnemoc> about T2, people don't really undestand what it is until they start building targets
06:00 < guat> anyone heard about a "user-based" package management? 
06:02 < mnemoc> guat: T2 is to build spacialized 'binary distributions', not really for hobby machines
06:02 < mnemoc> gentoo is good for that
06:04 < guat> mnemoc: hum yes but this is not the idea that i want... like.... not compiling every stuff
06:04 < guat> mnemoc: but yet using the user-based idea
06:04 < guat> more like apt
06:04 < mnemoc> guat: use T2 first, and understand it
06:04 < guat> okz
06:06 < mnemoc> we want to implement a remote package fetcher, but something like redhat's up2date fits better here than apt
06:07 < mnemoc> apt, as G*'s emerge or our Emerge-Pkg can really be harmful to you machine if you don't use it carefully
06:07 < mnemoc> i don't want to support that
06:08 < guat> mnemoc: hum i'm not saying to build the package like emerge i'm saying pre-compiled packages such as .deb using the user-based idea :P
06:09 < mnemoc> go for it :)
06:09 < guat> mnemoc: but what do u think about user-based?
06:10 < mnemoc> on my world users don't have right to vote :)
06:11 < Shingo--> We, don't have a plce for builded packages?
06:12 < Shingo--> and about rocket? isn't not for that?
06:12 < mnemoc> rocket is from rock
06:12 < mnemoc> we don't use it
06:13 < mnemoc> we will implement a tool, but _you_ during build will decide where _you_ will share prebuilt packages
06:13 < guat> hum FSF :P hehe
06:14 < Shingo--> well, but it's like apt?
06:14 < Shingo--> it's not a good idea?
06:14 < mnemoc> as far as it keeps target's consistence
06:25 < mnemoc> but the future of T2 is not written, and this is a community driven project 
06:31 < Shingo--> This is the best part of the project, I think. :)
06:32  * Shingo-- Like Kosh said "creating the future". Babylon 5
06:33 < Shingo--> theres is another user here using gnome?
06:34 < guat> Shingo--: me half a hour ago
06:34 < Shingo--> But in T2. hehe :)
06:35 < guat> Shingo--: yes i had the T2 theme on it :P
06:35 < mnemoc> Shingo--: susan use and maintain it
06:37 < mnemoc> where the heck is CIA??
06:38 < guat> mnemoc: user or organization ? :P
06:38 < Shingo--> Well, I have a problem.
06:38 < mnemoc> bot
06:38 < Shingo--> Some programs starts then crash. i thinking now it's a problem with gconf.
06:39 < mnemoc> :(
06:40 < Shingo--> I will check the defaults permissions in Ubuntu.
06:55 < Shingo--> mnemoc: what really means moin?
06:55 < mnemoc> good morning
06:55 < Shingo--> thanks. 
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08:09 < Shingo--> mnemoc: my messages to ML has been returned.
08:11 < Shingo-->   codetux@codetux.com
08:11 < Shingo-->     retry time not reached for any host after a long failure period
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09:11 < minto> moin
09:13 < minto> Noisy is running again, current 2.1.0 rc2 buildstatus:
09:13 < minto> boot-32:  finished, 0 with errors.
09:13 < minto> boot-64:  165 builds total, 119 completed fine, 0 with errors.
09:13 < minto> desktop-32-pmmx:  677 builds total, 94 completed fine, 0 with errors.
09:13 < minto> desktop-64-no-opt:  677 builds total, 26 completed fine, 1 with errors.
09:13 < minto> min-32-pmmx:  162 builds total, 58 completed fine, 0 with errors.
09:13 < minto> min-64-no-opt:  finished, 0 with errors.
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09:36 < Shingo--> minto: the ML is working?
09:42 < minto> Shingo--: That one is. I received your contribution :)
09:43 < minto> But there is also another mailing list for packages updates, I seem not to get any mails from it :( even though I am subscribed.
09:43 < Shingo--> But a receive two messages from server, permanent error.
09:43 < minto> Hmm, I got two mails from you. 
09:44 < minto> one without and one with attachment
09:44 < Shingo--> should I forward the messages to someone?
09:45 < minto> I am not sure, I think rxr is the admin for the ML. Maybe ask him first before sending
09:45 < Shingo--> I'm send two messages, cause I think attachment was the problem.
09:45 < minto> Is de message long?
09:46 < minto> If the message is not to long you can post it here :)
09:48 < Shingo--> The usuful part is here. http://pastebin.com/336438
09:49 < minto> I think you do not need to worry about these messages. I looks like the mail cannot be delivered to 'codetux'. This is from the ML to recipients. Not from you to the ML.
09:51 < minto> rxr: ML reports delivery errors back to the original poster. I think this confuses people. The latest victim is Shingo--
09:52 < Shingo--> :)
10:10 < veki> cu later
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10:15 < minto> I gotta go, see you all later today.
10:16 < minto> mnemoc: http://multimach.dyndns.org/t2/2.1/regressions/desktop-64-no-opt/regressions.html for strace error
10:17 < minto> c ya
10:54 < Shingo--> this url not working.
10:54 < Shingo--> http://wiki.t2-project.org
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12:47 < rxr> re
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13:26 < CIA-9> rene * r11015 /trunk/package/network/openldap/openldap.desc: * updated openldap (2.2.26 -> 2.2.28)
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13:34 < rxr> so - cu later then /we away again
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15:27 < rxr> re
16:55 < CIA-9> rene * r11017 /trunk/package/network/openldap/openldap.conf: * disabled openldap bdb support on powerpc since the configure check for threading hangs
16:59 < CIA-9> rene * r11018 /trunk/package/database/bdb/bdb.desc: * updated bdb (4.3.27 -> 4.3.28)
17:49 < rxr> damn - someqhere I had a list of stuff to be removed from the live cd - just that this list is absent right now ...
17:53 < rxr> ah - there it is ,-)
17:53 < rxr> too many boxes ...
18:02 < CIA-9> rene * r11019 /trunk/target/livecd/default.pkgsel: * added kdebluetooth and wv2 to the livecd but removed some noise
18:12 < rxr> cu
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18:12 < minto> moin
18:46 < valentin_> hi
18:46 < valentin_> rxr: still here ?
18:47 < valentin_> hi minto
18:47 < minto> hi valentin
19:20 < _Ragnar_> moin moin
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19:45 < keinek> hi
19:51 < minto> :( Noisy is down. Last build status:
19:51 < minto> boot-32:  164 builds total, 164 completed fine, 0 with errors.
19:51 < minto> boot-64:  165 builds total, 165 completed fine, 0 with errors.
19:51 < minto> desktop-32-pmmx:  677 builds total, 478 completed fine, 3 with errors.
19:51 < minto> desktop-64-no-opt:  677 builds total, 26 completed fine, 1 with errors.
19:51 < minto> min-32-pmmx:  162 builds total, 162 completed fine, 0 with errors.
19:51 < minto> min-64-no-opt:  164 builds total, 164 completed fine, 0 with errors.
19:51 < minto> Regressions reports at: http://multimach.dyndns.org/t2/2.1/regressions/
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20:07 < veki> hi
20:09 < veki> I started to build desktop target with 2.3G of swap and 196MB of RAM. I have got the same message with java-jikes in Error-log: a lack of swap space.  Is that strange?
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20:56 < mnemoc_> veki: very strange, i build my reference on 512+1024.
20:58 < veki> yes, it i svery strange.  SImply, I think that RAM itself is more important than swap, or optimisation for Pentium III doe shave memory leakage
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21:25 < keinek> hi mnemoc_ 
21:25 < keinek> i will add more programas p2p to t2
21:25 < keinek> gift for fastrack p2p
21:26 < keinek> and another gui programs :)
21:26 < mnemoc_> sure
21:26 < mnemoc_> send patches... of tested stuff :)
21:26 < keinek> fastrack is the red of Kazaa, and morpheous.
21:26 < keinek> yes
21:26 < keinek> yesterday send a patch.
21:27 < keinek> dont work?
21:28 < mnemoc_> i haven't tried it :)
21:28 < mnemoc_> i'll apply it today while i finish 2.1.0 requested merges and fixes
21:29 < mnemoc_> nvu update haven't been request
21:30 < keinek> nvu work fine.
21:30 < keinek> i just make a package.
21:30 < keinek> :)
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21:53 < CIA-9> amery * r11020 /branches/2.1/package/multimedia/vdr/ (config.in vdr.conf vdr.desc): 
21:53 < CIA-9> * merged 10777 from trunk: updated vdr plugins: femon (0.9.1), mplayer/mp3 (0.9.13)
21:53 < CIA-9> * merged 10777,10829 from trunk: changed vdr to use match_source_file to locate skin files (closed issue #41)
21:53 < CIA-9> * merged 10893 from trunk: updated vdr (1.3.27 -> 1.3.28)
22:12 < keinek> ok... the package was send
22:12 < keinek> :P
22:12 < keinek> in a minutes... the gui interfaces for fastrack p2p
22:12 < keinek> text interface, and gui interface.
22:12 < keinek> :P
22:14 < mnemoc_> :)
22:14 < keinek> and yes... work fine.
22:15 < keinek> you can download all from the lammers user of windows.
22:15 < keinek> and you... dont need upload.
22:15 < keinek> :D
22:15 < keinek> of course... only in linux... and better in t2 :)
22:22 < CIA-9> amery * r11021 /trunk/package/network/bind/bind.desc: * updated bind (9.2.4 -> 9.2.5)
22:29 < CIA-9> amery * r11022 /trunk/package/database/bdb-java/bdb-java.desc: * updated bdb-java (4.3.27 -> 4.3.28)
22:31 < CIA-9> sebastian * r11023 /trunk/package/perl/perl-libintl/perl-libintl.desc: * updated perl-libintl (1.11 -> 1.14)
22:39 < keinek> mnemoc_, 
22:39 < keinek> the urls from source forge
22:39 < keinek> how change?
22:39 < keinek> how is the right?
22:41 < keinek> dl.sourceforge.
22:41 < keinek> Mmmm.
22:42 < mnemoc_> just remove the mirror name
22:44 < keinek> ok
22:44 < keinek> stella is bad.
22:44 < keinek> so.
22:44 < keinek> i send a patch for fix that
22:44 < keinek> :)
22:44 < keinek> a cosmetic patch
22:44 < keinek> :)
22:46 < keinek> Mmmm stella is fine.
22:46 < keinek> someone fix that for me.
22:47 < keinek> thanks guys.
22:47 < keinek> :)
22:47 < mnemoc_> :)
22:48 < mnemoc_> svn blame
22:59 < keinek> i finish
22:59 < keinek> three package.
22:59 < keinek> :)
23:20 < sepp_> hi all :)
23:21 < mnemoc_> hi sepp_ 
23:21 < sepp_> hi mnemoc_ 
23:22 < sepp_> is there a fast way to get rid if the local svn "history" it eats 600mb :(
23:24 < mnemoc_> #svn
23:24 < keinek> mnemoc_, http://www.t2-project.com.ar/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=tuto;action=display;num=1124054270;start=0#0
23:24 < keinek> :)
23:32 < sepp_> for the log ... "sepp_: atm it is not possible"
23:32 < sepp_> the svn thing 
23:34 < rxr> re
23:34 < sepp_> hi rxr :)
23:35 < rxr> hi sepp_ and all
23:36 < mnemoc_> hi rxr
23:36 < rxr> hey mnemoc_ 
23:36 < rxr> thanks for bdb-java update
23:36 < rxr> forgot about that ...
23:36 < mnemoc_> :)
23:36 < rxr> Error logs from default-2.2.0-alpha-powerpc-powerpc-750-livecd:
23:36 < rxr> [5] audio/flac
23:36 < rxr> 466 builds total, 274 completed fine, 1 with errors.
23:36 < rxr> with openldap powerpc work around ...
23:36 < rxr> debugging this bdb threading hang got too ugly and time consuming ...
23:46 < rxr> mnemoc_: we need the openldap fix in 2.1 - should I commit ?
23:55 < CIA-9> rene * r11024 /branches/2.1/package/network/openldap/openldap.conf: 
23:55 < CIA-9> * merged r11017 from trunk:
23:55 < CIA-9>  * disabled openldap bdb support on powerpc
23:55 < mnemoc_> :)
23:55 < mnemoc_> btw, openldap is useless without bdb
23:55 < mnemoc_> ldbm is not usable in production
23:56 < rxr> mnemoc_: I hope openldap is API compatible when built without bdb support and I can just rebuild openldap when I found out why the executable produced hangs
23:57 < rxr> I fear it is a generic bdb bug exposed on powerpc since the code used is quite straight forward ...
23:58 < rxr> Gambas 1.0.10 
23:58 < mnemoc_> rxr: can you add the issue to the trac, to not forget it?
23:58 < mnemoc_> keinek: will you add gambas?
23:59 < keinek> yes.
23:59 < keinek> but i have some problems.
23:59 < keinek> compile good.
23:59 < keinek> but...
23:59 < keinek> i think that is a problem with gtk o something like that.
23:59 < keinek> i will test in the generic.
23:59 < rxr> mnemoc_: I already added it to track
23:59 < rxr> though as anonymous ...
23:59 < mnemoc_> ok
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