--- Log opened Sun Aug 07 00:00:00 2005 00:05 < mnemoc> pool: lprng vs. cups. comments? 00:06 < jsaw> pool? 00:07 < mnemoc> s/pool/question/ 00:07 < mnemoc> i'm very² tired, so my english level is downgraded 00:08 < rxr> jsaw: I have not checked mails today - because I sorted my desk, got a "einschreiben" from some post center filale and brought a mac mini ... 00:09 < rxr> jsaw: I'm in med in a few secs - I'll read tomorrow - err today after sleep ,-) 00:10 < rxr> cu then 00:11 < mnemoc> cu rxr 00:11 < jsaw> cu rxr 00:12 < valentin> my daughter keeps terrorizing me... she does not want to sleep and she does not want to stay awake either... 00:13 < mnemoc> valentin: get used to it 00:14 < valentin> hardly... 00:17 < jsaw> valentin: hehe *evil grin* 00:17 < mnemoc> after that 'stage' you will pass to 'fall slept stage' 00:17 < mnemoc> where they fall slept, and you have to carry them slept. 00:18 < mnemoc> from 3 to... 7? 00:19 < jsaw> .oO(I remember well how often I did that game, carrying Marlene around until she sleeps, yes between midnight to morning.., and when I put here into bed she wakes up again... remembers me of some kind of spinlock) 00:20 < jsaw> .oO(thank god, Charlotte is different. She only wakes up if she's hungry, then sleeps again easily) 00:20 < mnemoc> :) 00:21 < valentin> janna keeps bugging me since about 19:00 now 00:22 < valentin> she cannot decide wether to drink or sleep or just suck my fingers... 00:22 < valentin> same for body position 00:23 < valentin> each time i found a position where she's comfortable she starts crying ten minutes after 00:23 < mnemoc> rafaella likes to sleep twisted :\ 00:23 < mnemoc> and usually over people's head 00:24 < valentin> hehe 00:25 < valentin> janna likes to sleep in my arms, but only if i keep carring her around and take a position that feels quite unhealthy for me 00:25 < mnemoc> "comfortable" is not one of her words for the moment 00:25 < jsaw> mnemoc: hehe 00:26 < mnemoc> rafaella let me stay not moving, but i can't sit. 00:32 < jsaw> I always sat on a big (about one meter diameter) gymnastic ball, hopping around... 00:32 < mnemoc> o_O 00:34 < mnemoc> i'm too old for that :\ 00:36 < jsaw> well, sitting on it with a _slight_ up-and-down movement... 00:37 < mnemoc> :) 01:01 < jsaw> I'll try to find my bed now... 01:01 < jsaw> cu all 01:01 < mnemoc> cu jsaw 01:03 < valentin> gn8 jsaw 01:10 < shingo--> why there's so many broken download? 01:12 < mnemoc> shingo--: what kind of brokenness? what tree? 01:15 < shingo--> I'm now in trunk. 404 :) 01:16 < mnemoc> mirror _and_ original location? 01:16 < mnemoc> outdated mirror i guess 01:16 < mnemoc> i only have Linux-HOWTOs-20050724.tar.bz2 missing 01:17 < mnemoc> which i should update.... yes, i'll do it 01:26 < CIA-9> amery * r10873 /trunk/package/base/howtos/howtos.desc: * updated howtos (20050724 -> 20050806) 01:28 < shingo--> I don't understand too, but I will see. 01:28 < mnemoc> shingo--: can you pastebin a large portion of the Download errors? 01:29 < shingo--> I have lost the window. for now it's working. 01:50 < valentin> gn8 - i try to get some sleep before my little girl wakes up again 01:51 < mnemoc> gn8 valentin 02:17 < keinek> hi 02:30 < shingo--> how handle no detected dependencies? 03:27 -!- shingo-- [~shingo@mercantile.wb.com.br] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:15 -!- shingo-- [~shingo@mercantile.wb.com.br] has joined #t2 05:24 -!- shingo_ [~shingo@mercantile.wb.com.br] has joined #t2 05:29 -!- shingo_ [~shingo@mercantile.wb.com.br] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:29 -!- shingo-- is now known as Shingo-- 05:33 < Shingo--> mnemoc, How do I to handle package witch not detects dependencies? 05:54 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: jsaw, valentin, nzg 05:57 -!- Netsplit over, joins: nzg 05:58 -!- Netsplit over, joins: valentin 06:02 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 08:32 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 09:12 < rxr> re 09:13 < rxr> so - after some trial and error the mac mini DVI output has a valid signal - puh 09:20 < rxr> cpu : 7447A, altivec supported 09:20 < rxr> clock : 1416MHz 09:20 < rxr> memory : 512MB 09:20 < rxr> L2 cache : 512K unified 09:20 < rxr> detected as : 287 (Mac mini) 09:21 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:31 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 09:35 < minto> good morning 09:42 < rxr> moin minto 09:42 < minto> hi rxr 09:42 < minto> Do you wanne use noisy to create an AMD64 livecd? 09:46 < rxr> yeah - that is an idea -) 09:46 < rxr> ,-) even 09:46 * rxr to the bakery getting fresh rolls for the breakfast 10:27 < rxr> re 10:37 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.210.154.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 10:46 < CIA-9> rene * r10874 /trunk/target/livecd/default.pkgmap: * removed obsolete livecd/default.pkgmap 10:55 -!- sepp_ [~sepp@p213.54.213.64.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:56 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:09 < CIA-9> rene * r10875 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/mkinitrd: * added nice folding to the mkinitrd 11:11 < CIA-9> rene * r10876 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/initrdinit: 11:11 < CIA-9> * way smarter code to retrieve the root device in the initrd from the 11:11 < CIA-9> kernel cmdline 11:13 < CIA-9> rene * r10877 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/system.init: 11:13 < CIA-9> * do not try to mount /dev, if it is devfs it must be auto-mounted on boot 11:13 < CIA-9> * no broken rootfs substitution - copy the whole /proc/mounts into /etc/mtab 11:13 < CIA-9> on boot 11:13 < CIA-9> * check hotplug++ execution 11:37 -!- mtr [~Michael@p54AFA192.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 11:47 < valentin> moin 11:51 < rxr> moin valentin 11:51 -!- mtr_ [~Michael@p54AF9871.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:59 -!- rxr_ [rene@e178144083.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 11:59 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc2 TAGGED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | rc2 Avant Premier at http://torrent.t2-project.org/ 11:59 -!- Topic set by vilkacis [] [Fri Aug 5 06:14:40 2005] 11:59 [Users #t2] 11:59 [@vilkacis ] [ dsoul ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ Shingo--] 11:59 [ _Ragnar__] [ jsaw ] [ mtr ] [ rxr_] [ valentin] 11:59 [ CIA-9 ] [ keinek] [ nzg ] [ sepp] 11:59 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal] 12:00 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 12:00 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 16 secs 12:02 < CIA-9> rene * r10878 /trunk/package/kde/konversation/ (. konversation.cache konversation.conf konversation.desc): 12:02 < CIA-9> Nagy Karoly Gabriel : 12:02 < CIA-9> * added konversation (0.18) 12:04 < rxr_> rehi 12:06 -!- rxr [rene@e178168146.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 12:06 -!- You're now known as rxr 12:08 -!- mnemoc_ [~amery@200.75.27.1] has joined #t2 12:14 -!- Veki [~veki@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 12:20 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.76] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:24 < rxr> valentin: have you read that I have a mac mini on my desk, now ? 12:24 < rxr> in my subnet it is the host "mini" ... if you need a 1.42 Ghz PPC G4 ... 12:24 < rxr> occationally it might run osx though ... the usual driver crap ... 12:33 < valentin> rxr: cool 12:39 < rxr> had to trial around a bit to get the X.org radeon driver to feed my LCD via the DVI connection ... 12:49 -!- Veki [~veki@217.24.19.40] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 12:55 < CIA-9> rene * r10879 /trunk/package/mail/spamassassin/spamassassin.init: * rewrote spamassassin.init to not kill itself on stop or restart ... 12:55 < CIA-9> rene * r10880 /trunk/package/mail/spamassassin/spamassassin.desc: * updated spamassassin (3.0.3 -> 3.0.4) 13:35 < rxr> damned perl DB_File: 13:35 < rxr> #0 0x402566e2 in __os_openhandle () from /usr/lib/libdb-3.3.so 13:35 < rxr> (gdb) bt 13:35 < rxr> #0 0x402566e2 in __os_openhandle () from /usr/lib/libdb-3.3.so 13:35 < rxr> #1 0x40256fb0 in __os_open () from /usr/lib/libdb-3.3.so 13:35 < rxr> #2 0x40239da2 in __db_appname () from /usr/lib/libdb-3.3.so 13:35 < rxr> #3 0x4023526c in __db_verify_internal () from /usr/lib/libdb-3.3.so 13:35 < rxr> #4 0x40236cd7 in __db_verify () from /usr/lib/libdb-3.3.so 13:35 < rxr> #5 0x401f7abd in XS_DB_File_DoTie_ () from /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.7/i586-t2-linux-gnu/auto/DB_File/DB_File.so 13:36 < rxr> doesn't seem to like bdb 4.3 ... 13:43 -!- Shingo-- [~shingo@mercantile.wb.com.br] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:04 -!- shingo-- [~shingo@mercantile.wb.com.br] has joined #t2 14:06 -!- shingo-- [~shingo@mercantile.wb.com.br] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:07 -!- shingo-- [~shingo@mercantile.wb.com.br] has joined #t2 14:33 < CIA-9> rene * r10881 /trunk/package/filesystem/unionfs/unionfs.desc: 14:33 < CIA-9> * updated unionfs (1.0.12a -> 1.0.13) - (fixes (among others) gcc ICE 14:33 < CIA-9> on PowerPC) 15:28 < rxr> grummel - accidently removed crontabs again - damn -r option 15:31 < rxr> ^- ... 15:31 < CIA-9> rene * r10882 /trunk/package/base/cron/hardened-remove.patch: 15:31 < CIA-9> * patched cron to never ever remove my crontab mistyping -e ... - -r 15:31 < CIA-9> needs to be specified twice now 15:31 < rxr> so - cu 15:34 < shingo--> which T2 user use distcc? 17:49 < rxr> re 17:49 < rxr> shingo--: ? 17:52 < mnemoc_> shingo--: to use distcc you need T2 on the peers 17:52 < rxr> moin mnemoc_ 17:52 < mnemoc_> moin rxr 17:52 < rxr> mnemoc_: I guess I should rework my last commit to not use non-standard -rr or -r -r ... - but to ask like: 17:53 < rxr> if ( 17:53 < rxr> isatty(stdin) 17:53 < rxr> ) 17:53 < rxr> printf ("Really remove user crontab(y/n)?\n");M 17:53 < rxr> ... 17:53 < rxr> ? 17:54 < mnemoc_> sounds ok 17:54 < rxr> but my -rr -r -r is a bit too non-standard, isn't it ? 17:54 < mnemoc_> ack 17:54 < rxr> it is just that I managed to wipe my server crontab the 2nd time this year ... 17:54 < mnemoc_> i should prepare bcron and commit it 17:54 < rxr> and had to reconstruct from /proc/kcore ... 17:55 < rxr> if it would be me we could rip this damn -r option away completely ... 17:55 < mnemoc_> who desided to use e and r on crontab was a morron 17:55 < rxr> ACK! 17:55 < rxr> and wipe without warning - yuck ... 17:59 < rxr> mnemoc_: s.th. is borked in some combinatoin and perl's DB_File at least in trunk 17:59 < rxr> Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.7/i586-t2-linux-gnu/DB_File.pm line 271. 18:00 < mnemoc_> o_O 18:00 < rxr> hm - interesting despite this warning it works on the good old gsmp server I re-tested this on right now 18:00 < rxr> on all my other T2:HEAD boxes it segfaults later on quite quickly ... 18:01 < mnemoc_> spamassassin? 18:01 < rxr> the bad is that spamassassin needs it ... 18:01 < rxr> yep but at runtime 18:01 < mnemoc_> :( 18:01 < rxr> builds all fine and that is in perl's DB_File.pm ... 18:02 < mnemoc_> there is a newer DB_File on cpan? 18:02 < rxr> it doesn't seem to be DB_File as it 18:02 < rxr> I tested the old perl that works on my exactcode.de server and that fails on my T2 HEAD boxes, too 18:03 < rxr> and the same new perl on the gsmp box with a 1.7 ROCK based system runs as well (despite the warning above) 18:03 < rxr> so I fear it has to do with the system db-3.3 or some other library liinked in 18:04 < rxr> I remember we once already had some issue with some system library referencing some bdb-4.x ... 18:04 < rxr> well - I 'll find out some time soon 18:04 < rxr> (at least I hope) 18:04 < mnemoc_> :( 18:10 -!- mnemoc_ is now known as mnemoc 18:25 < CIA-9> rene * r10883 /trunk/package/mail/spamassassin/spamassassin.init: 18:25 < CIA-9> * fixed spamassassin.init (spamd) restart/stop by using a pidfile - 18:25 < CIA-9> finally 18:32 < shingo--> :), my question is about, which T2 user is using distcc? I know, how distcc works. but I think, no one use distcc support in T2. am I clrear now? 18:34 < rxr> I use it from time to time 18:34 < mnemoc> shingo--: jsaw does 18:38 < shingo--> I'm testing distcc, for several times build don't works, but if I turn off suport for distcc goes on. 18:39 < shingo--> but I think it's a problem from my hosts running distccd, I'm investigating. 18:43 < mnemoc> you need T2's gcc on thouse machines, and for the arch you are building for 18:47 < shingo--> I'm not expert in that, but why T2's gcc? not Gentoo's gcc? 18:49 < rxr> the exact same gcc - t2 gcc includes fixes and such - you need the same - period. 18:49 < rxr> also some other gcc's are patched to death 18:54 < shingo--> ok. But, am I tring todo a hard thing? 18:59 < mnemoc> distcc asks the peers to execute the same compiler which we use, ie. i686-t2-linux-gnu-gcc 18:59 < mnemoc> if you don't have that compiler distccd will fail due to file not found, simple 19:00 < shingo--> ok. 19:00 < shingo--> :) 19:02 < rxr> Xcode Tools 2.1 19:02 < rxr> File Size: 751.8 MB File Format: Disk Image 19:02 < rxr> what was the size of a full blown T2 Live CD ? 19:02 < rxr> right 6xx MB - nice to see Apple only fits one IDE with compiler into that size ... 19:07 -!- Veki [~veki@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 19:14 < Veki> mnemoc: hi 19:14 < mnemoc> hi Veki 19:14 < Veki> I am building mnemosyne target. I found that it is experimntal, but so far it goes well 19:15 < mnemoc> i use it, but it not really ready for 'untrained' people 19:16 < Veki> hm, I will use it for my server, that is the best way to learn it. Hiowever, it may be tricky... 19:16 < mnemoc> yep 19:16 < Veki> I suppose, I can ask for help if needed 19:17 < mnemoc> sure 19:17 < Veki> :) 19:18 < Veki> the most important is that the build process goes well 19:20 < mnemoc> i have to rewrite mnemosyne.in to use perl instead of bash, currently is too slow. and i need to add lots of other plugins so it would get even slower 19:24 < Veki> uhm, but I needed to manage network of 4 computers only. It is oK I think 19:24 < mnemoc> mnemosyne.in is only used by scripts/Config 19:32 < Veki> ok, fine 19:32 < mnemoc> bbl 19:46 < Veki> I have to go now, cu later 19:46 -!- Veki [~veki@217.24.19.40] has quit ["leaving"] 19:49 < CIA-9> rene * r10884 /trunk/package/kde/kaffeine/ (kaffeine.cache kaffeine.desc): * updated kaffeine (0.6 -> 0.7) 20:01 < rxr> mnemoc: I think I have to slap you 20:01 < rxr> mnemoc: it seems your bdb tinkering caused the perl DB_File regression ... 20:01 < rxr> more details some time later tonight 20:03 < rxr> hm - or maybe not 20:03 < rxr> strange 20:03 < rxr> at least it is due to including the usr/include/db.h (package bdb - thus 4.x) and linking against the bdb33 - as needed for binary compat 20:04 < rxr> I harded the perl package to use the right compat header always - later - evening dinner first 21:07 < CIA-9> rene * r10885 /trunk/package/perl/perl/install.patch.cross: * perl copyright patch 21:16 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BEBE2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 21:16 < morfoh> hi all 21:28 < CIA-9> rene * r10886 /trunk/package/perl/perl/use_db3.diff: * updated perl/use_db3.diff to actually be effective, again 21:28 < rxr> mnemoc: I think the r10886 should be in 2.1 as well 21:28 < rxr> took me the whole day to track down 21:28 < rxr> cu all 21:28 < morfoh> cu rxr 22:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: # ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg desktop-athlon-mp 22:39 < morfoh> Error logs from desktop-athlon-mp-2.1.0-rc2-x86-athlon-mp-desktop: 22:39 < morfoh> 677 builds total, 677 completed fine, 0 with errors. 22:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: # ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg boot-athlon-mp 22:39 < morfoh> Error logs from boot-athlon-mp-2.1.0-rc2-x86-athlon-mp-bootdisk: 22:39 < morfoh> 164 builds total, 164 completed fine, 0 with errors. 23:28 < morfoh> mnemoc: I've send you the athlon-mp torrent ;) 23:28 < morfoh> good night all 23:30 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BEBE2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] --- Log closed Mon Aug 08 00:00:00 2005