--- Log opened Wed Jun 29 00:00:00 2005
00:05 < veki> I am here
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01:29 < mnemoc> *yawn*
01:29  * mnemoc wonders if rxr will help me with alsa
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05:15 < keinek> hi
05:38 < mnemoc> hi
06:47 < rxr> re
06:47 < rxr> moin all
06:48 < rxr> mnemoc: I will ,-)
06:48 < rxr> mnemoc: I already built the alsa and wine to hit the bug and it will be the first thing I touch when at home ...
06:48 < rxr> cu soon
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07:30 < rxr> re
07:31 < sparc-kly> hi rxr
07:31 < sparc-kly> hi keinek ,mnemoc, valentin 
07:51 < rxr> hi sparc-kly 
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08:15 < minto> hi all
08:20 < rxr> good morning minto ,-)!
08:21 < minto> Hi rxr, how do I check out 2.1.0-rc1?
08:21 < minto> I wanne give the minimal a go.
08:31 < rxr> svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/tags/2.1.0-rc1
08:31 < minto> thanx
08:33 < rxr> don't forget to apply the gcc workaround ,-)
08:33 < minto> Good you mention it.
08:51 < minto> Huh, segmentation fault?
08:52 < minto> When starting ./scripts/Config I end up with:
08:52 < minto> Creating configuration script.
08:52 < minto> T2 2.1.0-rc1 configuration ...
08:52 < minto> ./scripts/Config: line 118:  5387 Segmentation fault      (core dumped) "$0" -cfg $config $oldconfig $profile $nobashmod -cycle
08:52 < minto> This is in 2.1, trunk seems to do fine.
09:06 < rxr> ehrm 
09:06 < rxr> got a one month contract right now ...
09:07 < rxr> to be i the swizerland for the next 2 weeks or so - and the remaining time here ...
09:07 < rxr> minto: hm
09:19 < minto> rxr: Looks interesting. What is the contract about?
09:30 < rxr> scanner stuff ...
09:30 < rxr> ... though the stuff that usually brings some headache with it ...
09:31 < rxr> minto: did you run Config in the 64 bit system or the 32 one ?
09:43 < minto> Uhmm, how can I find out?
09:47 < minto> rxr: Uhh, I was wrong the same error in trunk
09:48 < minto> I booted the machine with the default kernal. This is the 64 bit one, isn't it?
09:56 < rxr> hm - strange - the Config worked when we used it ...
09:56 < rxr> maybe you setup remote login via ssh so I could investigate why it segfaults now ...
09:57 < minto> rxr: Just finished the default build (that works) but specifiying a new target doesn't.
09:58 < minto> this is strange
09:58 < minto> ./scripts/Config                            works
09:58 < minto> ./scripts/Config -cfg Desktop         does not work
09:58 < minto> rxr: I tried setting up the remote stuff yesterday but it did not yet work.
09:59 < minto> I have use dyndns now multimach.dyndns.org
09:59 < minto> pinging works, but opening the right port did not.
10:00 < minto> Now I got to go. I will be back in a few hours.
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10:16 < valentin> moin
10:24 < rxr> moin valentin 
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10:28 < rxr> hehe - gravis wants to renovate my new topcase again - with the new hub forming up ...
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10:28 < rxr> I think I'll cycle over to them in a minute ...
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11:15 < rxr> re
11:15 < rxr> ouhm - never had as much phone calls as today ...
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11:37 < morfoh> moin
11:39 < rxr> moin morfoh 
11:39 < rxr> and cu - off to gravis to get my ibook top-case fixed (again)
11:39 < morfoh> hey rxr :)
11:39 < morfoh> rxr: ok ... good luck
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11:48 < lars__> hi rene, are you online?
11:49 < lars__> hi anybody else there? I have a question concerning kernel build.
11:49 < valentin> hi lars__ 
11:50 < morfoh> hi lars 
11:50 < morfoh> hi valentin 
11:50 < valentin> but i have little time to answer :(
11:50 < valentin> how is your family ?
11:50 < valentin> rene is at gravis
11:50 < lars__> OK, an old topic of mine: I need the kernel srcs to build some 3rd party modules. Is there a way to build the kernel without automatically deleting the srcs after a succesfull build?
11:51 < lars__> hi valentin! My family is fine and yours? How many persons are you?
11:51 < valentin> the best way would be to create a t2 package for the modules with postlinux.conf ,)
11:51 < valentin> two and a half
11:52 < lars__> A when do you expect the sixth half?
11:52 < valentin> there is some chance that our daughter will be early, but we do not expect her in the next week
11:52 < valentin> offical date is July, 27
11:52 < valentin> congrats to your new daughter
11:53 < valentin> K. said, she looks quite like you
11:54 < lars__> thanks. Ok good luck to you, enjoi your time beeing only 4 halfs. We in that went at freiluftkino every evening. Since then (nearly two years ago) I have been in cinema only for 1 time... 
11:55 < lars__> back to the kernel thing: I can not build a t2 package since its the cisco vpnc client which is closed src, I think.
11:55 < valentin> hm
11:55 < valentin> and why don't you just extract the kernel sources ?
11:56 < lars__> Because I would first need to find out the exact t2 revision that corresponds to my kernel src and than do all the patches by and and then create the t2 kernel conf by hand ...
11:56 < morfoh> lars__ / valentin ... ack If I have to do this kind of work I just extract the kernel sources from the download dir 
11:58 < valentin> i do not know of hand if we have a kernel source quirk somewhere in t2
11:58 < lars__> by the way I would like to update my kernel and it would be fine to do that in one step: first build the kernel together with all the t2 configuration and postlinux.conf stuff and then simply use that srcs to build the needed none t2 stuff...
12:00 < lars__> Would it be difficult to include an option to install the kernel srcs or at least any option to Build-Pkg telling t2 to not remove the srcs after a successfull build (just as in the case of a build failure)?
12:00 < valentin> as a quick hack insert a postinstall hook that aborts the build, then you have the kernel sources lying around
12:02 < valentin> but i agree there should be an option to create a real kernel src package
12:02 < lars__> How do I do that? Is there a corresponding section in the handbook or a package from where I can copy?
12:05 < valentin> ook_add postinstall 3 /bin/false
12:05 < valentin> hook_add postinstall 3 /bin/false
12:05 < valentin> or something like that
12:05 < lars__> such a kernel src option would be fine. I remember, when I had to play arround a lot with the kernel because of some problem with my ibook hardware and it was very annoying that every time all prebuild srcs were removed and needed to be rebuild again and again...
12:05 < valentin> though i do not know of hand if custom hooks work in the kernel's custmain
12:06 < valentin> maybe you discuss that with rene when he is back
12:06 < valentin> how is your job doing ?
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12:09 < lars__> At the moment its a lot of c++ coding. In 10 days I will be on a summerschool in lipari (sicilia) for two weeks. Until then I hope to finish that coding job. At the late summer there are paper deadlines. In august we are in Berlin for some days. Maybe we can meet then. How is your thesis going?
12:09 < lars__> In what file I have to add that hook_add? linux26.desc: [O] hook_add ...?
12:10 < morfoh> lars__: no ... mostly on *.conf files
12:11 < valentin> yes, hooks go into conf files
12:11 < lars__> so I choose linux24.conf since it is included by linux26.desc via [O]?
12:11 < valentin> would be nice to meet you in Berlin
12:11 < valentin> for the moment, yes
12:12 < lars__> yes, that is going to be a "kindskick"!
12:13 < valentin> when will you be here in Aug ?
12:14 < morfoh> .oO( mnemoc and me need more help regarding the 2.1-rc* fixing the known issues ) -> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/regressions.html
12:15 < lars__> valentin: We are on a wedding in Berlin at 20. August. Before we plan to be in vacations. Maybe we attach some vacation days in Berlin after 20th of August.
12:16 < valentin> the later the better for us :)
12:16 < valentin> btw: stefan got a child, too
12:16 < valentin> now he leaves work before 20:00
12:17 < lars__> Who, stefan hougardy. You mean the child already knows how it father looks like?
12:17 < valentin> yes, stefan h, my boss
12:18 < valentin> he did not even tell ms. Sandig
12:18 < lars__> How is your thesis doing? You started to work on it? When shall  I look for jobs for you here in Saarbruecken?
12:18 < valentin> don't ask. atm i am helping martin to finish his thesis and we are trying to get some papers out together
12:19 < valentin> i do not fear my thesis but i still did not finish my physics preparation and i will not register to the examn before my daughter is born
12:20 < lars__> papers? sounds good. its the best way to get an interessting at a research instituation. I would propose to look for jobs at the mpi in Saarbruecken. There is a free aparment in our house :-)
12:20 < valentin> hehe
12:21 < valentin> the biggest problem is, kerstin needs to finish here in Berlin now
12:21 < valentin> and Saarbruecken is far far away
12:22 < valentin> but i like S. very much
12:22 < valentin> and we plan to move away from this house before our child gets too old
12:23 < lars__> And there are a lot of jobs in your field here in Saarbruecken and the weather is hot and you can by good chees in france and there is a lot of good wine here and your child will learn french at the kindergarden... I have to go for lunch now. and our sysadmin wants to reboot the router... greetings to kerstin!
12:23 < valentin> ok, cu lars__ 
12:23 < lars__> bye.
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13:33 < minto> rxr: Are you still here?
13:34 < morfoh> hi minto 
13:34 < minto> hi morfoh
13:35 < morfoh> minto: I think rxr is away "visiting" Gravis for repairing the case of his iBook
13:35 < minto> Ahh, maybe you could check something for me?
13:35 < morfoh> maybe ;)
13:35 < morfoh> what should I check ?
13:36 < minto> Could you click http://multimach.dyndns.org
13:36 < minto> What do you get?
13:36 < morfoh> na apache default page
13:36 < morfoh> an
13:36 < minto> Jippee, thanks
13:36 < morfoh> that was all ?
13:37 < morfoh> so you have configured dyndns ;)
13:37 < minto> Yepp, I wanted to check if port forwarding on my router was set up properly.
13:37 < minto> Yes that too.
13:37 < morfoh> is that you Dual Opteron box ;)
13:37 < minto> I need it to give rxr remote access to my opteron box.
13:37 < morfoh> hehe :D
13:38 < morfoh> I'M fighting with spamassassin right now :/
13:38 < minto> Yuck.
13:38 < morfoh> the issue isn't solved so far on all trees in t2 :(
13:39 < morfoh> it builds manually but fails using the t2 build system
13:39 < morfoh> and I can't figure out the problem ...
13:39 < minto> I had these kind of problems with binary packages once.
13:40 < morfoh> we need to fix our last regressions from mnemocs rc1 ref build
13:40 < morfoh> to proceed with our release schedule
13:40 < minto> I could give a hand, but the opteron box refuses to create a new config.
13:41 < morfoh> 15 packages to fix ... I think we should shift some capacities from trunk development to fixing the rc's
13:43 < minto> If my box is ready for it, I plan to build x86-64
13:44 < minto> I plan to start with a 2.1 minimal followed by 2.1.0 rc1 desktop :-)
13:44 < morfoh> :D
13:44 < morfoh> good
13:45 < minto> The minimal things we build so far  where ready in a few hours when build from scratch.
13:46 < morfoh> ok ... I'm running a rc1 ref build too -> 5-thunderbird atm
13:46 < minto> how lond does rc1 ref build roughly take?
13:47 < morfoh> it depends on the machine of course 
13:47 < morfoh> and in my case also on the stability of the machine :/
13:47 < morfoh> the P4 I'm building on isn't that stable
13:47 < minto> :-(
13:48 < morfoh> indeed ... 
13:48 < morfoh> it freezed again last night
13:48 < morfoh> 1628 builds total, 671 completed fine, 2 with errors.
13:48 < morfoh> but one error I fixed yesterday 
13:48 < minto> If all goes well I could build both x86-64 and x86.
13:49 < morfoh> the other one is spamassassin
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13:49 < minto> Unfortunately I have to turn this jumbo jet of at night.
13:49 < morfoh> ah .... in fact it's no rc1 ref build ... it's a 2.1 branch
13:50 < morfoh> so the upcoming rc2
13:52 < minto> morfoh? What would you use if you want to give an embedded solution a web interface?
13:52 < morfoh> hmmm ... ??? I don't like web interfaces that much ... 
13:53 < morfoh> do you need an out of the box solution ?
13:53 < morfoh> I consider webmin as quite harmful 
13:53 < minto> How would you configure something embedded then?
13:53 < morfoh> it depends on the application 
13:54 < minto> I was thinking of something small.
13:54 < morfoh> what do want to configure ?
13:54 < minto> It is for my backup/fileserver solution.
13:54 < morfoh> ah ok ... this one you told me about
13:54 < rxr> hi
13:55 < rxr> rehi
13:55 < rxr> back from iBook repair and lunch
13:55 < minto> There is not much to configure. But setting static IP addresses sort of stuff.
13:55 < minto> Hi rxr, port forwarding (of my router) worked after all.
13:55 < morfoh> re hi rxr
13:56 < rxr> hi minto and morfoh 
13:56 < morfoh> minto: you can write a small cgi application running on fnord or gatling 
13:56 < minto> Now I have to wait for Merlyn to wake up before I can turn on the noisy box again.
13:56 < minto> I will have a look at these two.
13:57 < minto> thanks
13:57 < morfoh> ah but ... fnord isn't in our repo atm 
13:57 < morfoh> but I think I have it on my local working copy 
13:59 < morfoh> rxr: regarding the known spamassassin problem -> https://trac.t2-project.org/ticket/5 ... I can build it manually from the src dir without segfaulting 
14:00 < rxr> hm - but manually without debug.sh ?
14:00 < rxr> since with debug as in the sandbox it fails for me, too
14:02 < morfoh> hmmm ? .... I think the problem is sth. like a missing DESTDIR or so 
14:02 < morfoh> but unfortunately all my last tests were not successful
14:03 < morfoh> rxr: how do you test it manually using debug.sh ?
14:12 < morfoh> rxr: what is a quick hack to disable all automagically injected makeopts ?
14:13 < morfoh> I tried makeopt="" but it didn't worked so far
14:20 < rxr> i guess a more fundamental problem
14:20 < rxr> I review after alsa
14:20 < rxr> right now I play with my new cell ...
14:20 < rxr> but I stop doing so in some minutes
14:20 < morfoh> ok
14:44 < rxr> we need a rocknet addition for bluetooth
14:57 < valentin> rxr: lars was here around noon
14:57 < rxr> oh! ?
14:57 < rxr> and ?
14:57 < rxr> btw. audio qaulity of mp3 copied from my iBook to the new cell is quite reasonable ...
14:59 < rxr> haha
14:59 < rxr> when one starts the media player the phone complains to insert the headset
15:00 < rxr> when I insert it and start the player and then remove the headset it continues to play thru the internal speak ...
15:00 < rxr> +er
15:00 < rxr> though the quality is not tooo good ...
15:00 < rxr> no wonder they want people to insert the headset first ...
15:06 < rxr> valentin: did you met lars or only heared he was there?
15:06 < rxr> any other news?
15:19 < minto> rxr: I think remote access is not possible now
15:19 < minto> try multimach.dyndns.org
15:20 < rxr> minto: yes - ack
15:20 < rxr> we should change the root passwd ,-)
15:21 < CIA-9> jsaw * r9919 /trunk/target/bootdisk/build_stage1.sh: 
15:21 < CIA-9> * remove hardcoded number of inodes for mke2fs, otherwise
15:21 < CIA-9>  initrd for linux 2.4 will not fit
15:21 < minto> yes, we should
15:21 < rxr> jsaw: this was an optimization to not waste too much space
15:21 < morfoh> minto: please announce the new one here or on th ML ;)
15:21 < minto> I tried creating an account for on the box.
15:21 < rxr> jsaw: please do not remove - but increate the no. slightly to make it fit again ..
15:21 < jsaw> rxr: I know, but initrd24 will not be created...
15:21 < morfoh> hi jsaw 
15:21 < minto> morfoh: I will announce the old one once it is changed.
15:22 < jsaw> rxr: I don't think it matters as long as we don't hit the image size limits, we're still 2Mb or so away
15:22 < rxr> damn - the cell does not play  some of my mp3s ...
15:22 < jsaw> hi morfoh 
15:22 < rxr> jsaw: ok ,-)
15:23 < rxr> hm - strange it does
15:23 < rxr> just that I it ok a 2nd time on some ...
15:23 < jsaw> at least, the bootdisk is completely build now
15:23 < rxr> ah - no - know I understood the UI ... ,-)
15:24 < rxr> well - the quality of the mp3 player in this k750i is perfect ...
15:24 < rxr> just the included 64MB memory stick a bit small ... ,-)
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15:26 < rxr> ok - off to alsa and spamassassin now ,-)
15:26 < jsaw> :)
15:26 < veki> :-)
15:27 < jsaw> I'm off to lab work now, cu
15:31 < morfoh> cu jsaw 
15:31 < morfoh> hi veki 
15:35 < morfoh> rxr: aren't the BUILD-VARS not available while building perl stuff ?
15:35 < rxr> BUILD-VARS? of course they should be
15:35 < morfoh> I try to append $root but it doesn't work inject the right path 
15:35 < rxr> though some perl based stuff that runs a makefile from a perl script will not use the of course
15:35 < rxr> what do you track right now?
15:35 < morfoh> spamassassin :/
15:36 < morfoh> var_append plconfopt " " "DESTDIR=$root"
15:37 < morfoh> resulting log output -> ==[build_this_package:798 (last $?=0)> perl Makefile.PL DESTDIR=
15:37 < rxr> morfoh: leave spamassassin
15:37 < rxr> after investigating my new cell I look at wine and spamassassin now
15:37 < morfoh> ok ...
15:38 < morfoh> we've to fix these damn regressions from mnemocs last ref build quickly 
15:39 < morfoh> rxr: ok ... then I'll try to fix kaffeine
15:40 < morfoh> it failed due to some shared file (icons) with kaxtv ...
15:41 < veki> hi
15:41 < veki> I tried to build kaffeine and it failed
15:42 < morfoh> veki: I'll try to build it now
15:43 < morfoh> meanwhile I'll prepare some liquid coffeine 
15:47 < morfoh> == 06/29/05 17:46:20 =[9]=> Finished building package kaffeine.
15:47 < morfoh> .oO( oh! wrong date)o
15:48 < veki> ok, thanks, you are great :-)
15:49 < morfoh> veki: nah! ... it builds but it conflicts with kaxtv
15:49 < morfoh> building kaxtv now
15:49 < veki> ah, i Know that.  I will send you later on part from error.log 
15:49 < morfoh> veki: so if you remove kaxtv and trying to build kaffeine it should work
15:50 < veki> ok, I am not planning to watch TV anyway in my life.  TV is unhealthy.  It should be written as on each cigar box that TV program maycause serious mental disorder and brain bugs
15:50 < morfoh> veki: :D
15:51 < morfoh> veki: I live without a TV for approx. 1 year now
15:51 < veki> yes, as far as I am concerned TV flag will be scull with crossed bones and title Hazard! Danger!
15:52 < morfoh> Finished building package kaxtv
15:56 < veki> ok, great
15:57 < morfoh> Making post-install adaptions.
15:57 < morfoh> Found shared files with other packages:
15:57 < morfoh> opt/kde3/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/actions/player_record.png: kaffeine kaxtv
15:57 < morfoh> opt/kde3/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/kdvbra.png: kaffeine kaxtv
15:57 < morfoh> opt/kde3/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/kdvbrac.png: kaffeine kaxtv
15:57 < morfoh> opt/kde3/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/kdvbtv.png: kaffeine kaxtv
15:57 < morfoh> opt/kde3/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/kdvbtvc.png: kaffeine kaxtv
15:58 < morfoh> Due to previous errors.
16:00 < morfoh> http://hftom.club.fr/kaxtv/download.html <- KaxTV is now part of Kaffeine
16:01 < morfoh> so we can remove kaxtv I guess to fix it ;)
16:02 < minto> Our package count seems to be decreasing 
16:02 < minto> ;-)
16:02 < morfoh> minto: then you've to add a new one to compensate the trend ;)
16:02 < minto> I am not removing any packages :-D
16:03 < morfoh> minto: not removing ... adding one
16:03 < morfoh> minto: but I'll remove kaxtv now ;)
16:03 < minto> morfoh: I will add packages later.
16:04 < CIA-9> chris * r9920 /trunk/package/multimedia/kaxtv/: * removed kaxtv because it's part of kaffeine now
16:04 < veki> should I dowload again packages and build target again
16:04 < morfoh> veki: do you use trunk version or rc1 ?
16:05 < veki> rc1
16:05 < morfoh> veki: ok ... that's good ... but wait a moment I'll merge the changes from trunk to rc1
16:06 < veki> ok, thanks
16:07 < minto> morfoh: should kaffeine also be updated? kaxtv might not yet be in 0.6.
16:08 < morfoh> minto: no ... I think it's up to date 
16:08 < minto> Ack
16:08 < CIA-9> chris * r9921 /branches/2.1/package/multimedia/kaxtv/: * merged r9920: removed kaxtv because it's part of kaffeine now
16:09 < rxr> I start to like this new cell ...
16:10 < morfoh> .oO( it seems to be quite "dangerous" handing out some new toys to rxr ;)o
16:10 < minto> rxr: have you had a chance to look why my ./scripts/Config is segfaulting?
16:11 < CIA-9> chris * r9922 /tags/2.1.0-rc1/package/multimedia/kaxtv/: * merged r9920: removed kaxtv because it's part of kaffeine now
16:13 < morfoh> veki: run "svn up" within your rc1 tree and after that ./scripts/Config -cfg YOURTARGET -remove kaxtv kaffeine
16:16 < morfoh> veki: after that run ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg YOURTARGETNAME and kaffeine will be rebuilded
16:17 < veki> ok
16:17 < veki> :-)
16:19 < rxr> morfoh: due to the bash accelerator ...
16:19 < rxr> would need some more time to track
16:20 < rxr> you can use -nobashmod for ./scripts/Config until I debugged it
16:20 < morfoh> rxr: bash accelerator ?
16:20 < rxr> morfoh: yet another to be removed properitary rock technology
16:20 < morfoh> ah ok ...
16:20 < rxr> we have a bash plugin to accelerate the Config a bit ...
16:20 < rxr> we should of course just rewrite the whole config beast ...
16:21 < morfoh> rxr: ack
16:23 < morfoh> package/develop/ocs <-- yuck 
16:24 < morfoh> it remembers me on my days at TU-Berlin ... yuck
16:25 < morfoh> no wonder that it fails to build :)
16:26 < veki> cu later
16:26 < veki> :-)
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16:28 < rxr> morfoh: got a mail from the "studienberatung" Quote: "Sorry - we can not respond in mail that detail. Please show up personally."
16:28 < rxr> I wonder what takes so long to type an mail ...
16:28 < rxr> maybe typing with one finger ....
16:28 < minto> What did you do with the other nine?
16:28 < morfoh> rxr: what fingers ? 
16:28 < minto> yes
16:29 < rxr> I? U use them all - the mail was from the universtiy ...
16:29 < morfoh> as sepp some days pointed out the othe fingers could be use to "explore" the inside of your nose ;)
16:29 < rxr> so the question is "wath do they do with their other nine" ...
16:30 < minto> Okay, 2 for the nose, leaves them still with 7. 
16:30 < rxr> you cover tthe eyes to pretend to not be able to work ...
16:30 < morfoh> minto: I'll not think about further ;)
16:31 < minto> rxr: Sure 2 eyes need two hands, but what finger is then used to type????
16:31 < morfoh> I've too much fantasy ... and I know some strange ideas will coming out :)
16:31  * minto is puzzled.
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16:36 < morfoh> gmake[1]: *** [OCS/OcsDefs-SysDefs] Error 139
16:36 < morfoh> +++failure+++
16:37 < morfoh> ocs build segfaults too :/
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16:39 < minto> rxr: this nobashmod does the trick for me as well. I Config starts properly.
16:39 < rxr> yes - I tested it on your box
16:39 < rxr> I have no idea why it crahes otherwise
16:39 < rxr> the package list is empty and it tried to derefernce a NULL pointer then IIRC
16:39 < rxr> but I need to analyze why this actually happens
16:41 < minto> I will use this option for the time being. 
16:43 < keinek_> morning
16:43 < minto> hi keinek_
16:43 < morfoh> hi keinek_ 
16:43 < keinek_> today i was reading the news.
16:43 < keinek_> Lula, president of brazil.
16:43 < keinek_> say that is possible make a notebook for u$s 100
16:44 < keinek_> With Free Software.
16:44 < keinek_> for education purpourse.
16:44 < morfoh> keinek_: what knowledge has Mr. Lula in that field ? ... I guess none.
16:45 < keinek_> people of the MIT looking Lula for talking about that.
16:45 < morfoh> keinek_: I think he propagating this project from this MIT professor ... 
16:45 < keinek_> exact
16:46 < keinek_> whatever... is a great news :)
16:46 < morfoh> keinek_: we'll see ... there were a lots of such news in the last years 
16:48 < keinek_> where is mnemoc?
16:48 < morfoh> keinek_: I don't know 
16:49 < keinek_> T2 is working good right?
16:49 < keinek_> I am happy with t2
16:49 < morfoh> :)
16:49 < keinek_> i learn a lot in this last year.
16:49 < morfoh> keinek_: did you had your radio show about T2 yet ?
16:49 < keinek_> i want write a book about t2.
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16:50 < keinek_> i make only one show this year.
16:50 < keinek_> and yes... i was talk something.
16:51 < keinek_> in the next program i will talk more.
16:51 < morfoh> keinek_: we know you can :p
16:52 < keinek_> what kings you know that is important for talking (sorry for my english)
16:52 < keinek_> ?
16:52 < keinek_> the stable trunk?
16:53 < morfoh> keinek_: stable trunk ?
16:53 < morfoh> what do you mean ?
16:54 < keinek_> i will talk about the stable version of t2.
16:54 < keinek_> there is important, dont you?
16:55 < rxr> valentin: when do you come to me? do we want to eat s.th. than? or should I pick s.th
16:55 < rxr> . up right now ?
16:56 < rxr> morfoh: alsa thing fixed - test build running ...
16:56 < minto> rxr: What does it take to set up a (local) download mirror?
16:56 < rxr> it was actually wine related ...
16:56 < rxr> and mine only ...
16:56 < morfoh> rxr: nice :)
16:56 < rxr> s/mine/alsa/ ...
16:56 < rxr> minto: you only need a t2 checkout and download into it ...
16:57 < morfoh> ok ladies and gentlemen ... I'll move home now ... 
16:57 < rxr> alternatively you could just bind mount your download directories ...
16:57 < morfoh> cu later then 
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16:57 < minto> cu morfoh
16:57 < rxr> mount --bind /mnt/space/trunk/download .../some-other/download
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17:05 < veki> cu
17:06 < minto> rxr: I was more thinking of having 1 download location for all T2 version.
17:07 < minto> rxr: I did something with symlinks right now. Just to prevent downloading things I already have. But I more thinking of setting up a real download mirror. Since cleaning up downloads will remove nearly everything from the other T2 versions.
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17:11 < minto> Started minimal x86-64 build (Desktop target with minimal package selection)
17:12 < minto> == 17:07:05 =[0]=> Building base/00-dirtree [0000 2.1.0-rc1].
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17:12 < sepp> hi *
17:14 < minto> hi sepp
17:15 < sepp> hi minto 
17:17 < Veki> hi
17:22 < rxr> == 06/29/05 17:11:47 =[9]=> Finished building package wine.
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17:42 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Tue Jun 21 16:27:15 2005]
17:42 [Users #t2]
17:42 [ _Lewellyn] [ jsaw ] [ mtr] [ sepp     ] [ valentin] 
17:42 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ minto] [ nzg] [ SerWou   ] [ veki    ] 
17:42 [ CIA-9    ] [ mipe ] [ rxr] [ sparc-kly] 
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17:43 < minto> sepp: nice image. 
17:44 < minto> A nice slogan with the image might be: T2 the missing link
17:44 < sepp> the missing links between apes and mankind?
17:45 < minto> hehe
17:45 < minto> What about the missing link between custom handmade and existing distro
17:48 < sepp> :)
17:50 < minto> Hmm, dietlibc fails.
17:50 < minto> == 17:40:47 =[1]=> Building base/dietlibc [0.28 2.1.0-rc1].
17:51 < rxr> ah - yes
17:51 < rxr> that is another known ...
17:51 < rxr> did you use trunk? - well I think so
17:51 < rxr> for some reason the new dietlibc causes an internal compiler error in gcc ...
17:52 < rxr> the easiest fix is to downdate dietlibc for amd64
17:52 < rxr> minto: I can do that in some minute on your box ...
17:52 < rxr> IIRC 2.1. 
17:52 < rxr> has not yet updated the dietlibc - at least I hope
17:53 < minto> rxr: give me a signal when you're done. ( /mnt/space/2.1.0-rc1 )
17:53 < rxr> oh - it is already in 2.1 ...
17:53 < rxr> .oO
17:53 < rxr> seems I have to investigate what is causing that some time soon
17:54 < rxr> minto: now it is final I'll be in an airplane again tomorrow morning ... to Z? 1/4 rich ...
17:54 < CIA-9> rene * r9923 /trunk/package/emulators/wine/alsa.patch: * fixed wine for latest alsa
17:54 < minto> lucky you
17:56 < rxr> ouhm 6 in the morning - that will be a short night ...
17:56 < minto> Now you have to buy Susan another present. ;-)
17:56 < rxr> minto: well - never had abroad contracts before ...
17:56 < rxr> aside the tiny US telco thing and your netherland trip ,-)
17:56 < rxr> and my wallet desperately needs it ...
17:58 < valentin> rxr: what about food ?
17:58 < rxr> eating some - so far I only had a tiny breakfast (one bagel) and a normal pizza and my stomarch demands new input ...
17:58 < rxr> I just wanted to know the time you will arrive here and if you like to get some 
17:58 < rxr> thing to eat as welll
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18:05 < minto> What is the difference?
18:05 < minto>  mount --bind olddir newdir
18:05 < minto>  ln -s target linkname
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18:13 < rxr> the later is a symlink
18:13 < rxr> and I think it will not work out of the sandbox with a symlink
18:14 < minto> Symlinks do work, I have that on the other box for quite some time now.
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18:21 < morfoh> re hi
18:21 < minto> hi morfoh :-)
18:22 < morfoh> :)
18:22 < morfoh> 1:0 -> Germany vs. Mexico 
18:24 < morfoh> or should we say Bayern Munich vs. Mexico ? ;)
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18:27 < morfoh> uhm? now 2:1 ? 2 goals within 3 min.
18:29 < minto> Seems like an exciting match 
18:30 < morfoh> dunno
18:30 < morfoh> minto: btw, where is oranje ? :D
18:30 < minto> Dunno
18:31 < morfoh> :D
18:31 < minto> maybe watching
18:31 < rxr> indeed without the sandbox spamassassin builds ..
18:31 < rxr> btw. where is mnmoc ...
18:31 < morfoh> rxr: yes ... I miss my companero too ;)
18:31 < rxr> valentin: hm - still no word to arrivial time and food ?
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18:32 < morfoh> rxr: what do you think regarding spamass* ?
18:32 < rxr> investigating
18:34 < morfoh> rxr: in short form. what are the steps to build up the sandbox ?
18:37 < valentin> 17:28 < valentin> rxr: food would be cool
18:38 < valentin> 17:58 < valentin> rxr: what about food ?
18:38 < rxr> ah - ok - then I must have been offline
18:38 < valentin> i will leave here asap
18:38 < rxr> ok - but we might rather get quickly - since I have nothign in the flat and I'll be awkay qy to
18:38 < minto> rxr: I can downdate dietlibc myself if you tell me how.
18:39 < morfoh> minto: svn revert
18:39 < minto> Yeah but to what revision?
18:39 < morfoh> minto: svn log package/base/dietlibc
18:40 < minto> morfoh: I am looking at it already
18:40 < rxr> away tomorrow - so no food in house ...
18:40 < minto> maybe I should just try and go down till it works.
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18:40 < rxr> minto: no not revert ...
18:40 < rxr> svn merge -rnew-revision:old-revision
18:40 < morfoh> rxr: not?
18:40 < rxr> I can look them up in one momment
18:40 < rxr> morfoh: no - because svn revert, reverts local changes ...
18:41 < morfoh> ah ok
18:41 < morfoh> sorry
18:41 < valentin> rxr: i leave in about 15 minutes. if you have no food in your flat, we could go and eat somewhere else
18:42 < rxr> yeah - that what I meant ...
18:42 < rxr> cu then
18:43 < morfoh> rxr: oh you'll go to Zürich
18:43 < kgb> rene /success/ rebe
18:44 < minto> rxr: Check if they need software architects. I want to work there too. ;-)
18:44 < morfoh> hi kgb :)
18:44 < kgb> hi morfoh 
18:44 < rxr> kgb: !
18:44 < kgb> what's on zürich?
18:44 < rxr> thw work to do?
18:44 < kgb> sucessman!
18:44 < rxr> scanner and t2 stuff ...
18:45 < kgb> scanner _and_ t2??
18:45 < rxr> kgb: I fixed the wine / alsa issue ...
18:45 < rxr> kgb: yes _and_
18:45 < kgb> :D
18:45 < rxr> they tinkered with debian and slackware
18:45 < kgb> thanks for wine
18:45 < morfoh> kgb: kaffeine is also solved
18:45 < rxr> but they want a stable and maintainable base for their upcomming Linux powered Scan server
18:45 < kgb> morfoh: see my reply
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18:46 < kgb> 2.1 will have short life :'(
18:46 < morfoh> kgb: what reply ?
18:46 < kgb> ML
18:47 < morfoh> kgb: ok ... I said to you yesterday ... I've to learn some things ... sorry 
18:47 < kgb> :)
18:49 < morfoh> kgb: yes ... indeed I even missed that your last ref build was for rc2 :)
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18:49 < minto> rxr: I think it should this dietlibc entry
18:49 < minto> r8787 | amery | 2005-05-11 05:51:27 +0200 (Wed, 11 May 2005) | 3 lines
18:49 < minto>         * merged r8654,8655,8696 from trunk: changed dietlibc to always WANT_DYN
18:49 < minto> AMIC (even sparc64), and tiny fixes related.
18:50 < morfoh> kgb: but my rc2 ref build looks quite promissing yet ...
18:50 < rxr> minto: hm - doesn't look like version bumb - I hope there is another
18:50 < kgb> there are fixes for 8787 on trunk?
18:52 < kgb> rxr: can you merge sparc64 stuff to 2.1? so we can tag rc2?
18:52 < rxr> yes - merge them
18:52 < rxr> though there is one thing to fix ...
18:52 < rxr> but we can do that when I have free time - like on 2.1.1   or so ...
18:53 < morfoh> rxr: you can add an issue and schedule it to a milestone ;)
18:53 < rxr> right now I want to fix spamassassin and start packing things (again)
18:53 < morfoh> rxr: anyway it would be nice establish the sync between svn and trac 
18:53 < rxr> ack
18:55 < valentin> so, me leaving
18:56 < morfoh> rxr: what do I have to prepare for the sync? 
18:56 < rxr> not too much
18:56 < rxr> you would use rsync to pull changesets from my server
18:56 < rxr> we can discuss the details in some days
18:56 < morfoh> ok
18:57 < kgb> .oO( some days )o
18:57 < kgb> morfoh: what about plone?
18:58 < morfoh> kgb: I'll install Plone 2.1 today 
18:58 < kgb> update the beta on trunk
18:59 < morfoh> kgb: I've to pullit out from svn I guess
19:00 < kgb> ok
19:01 < rxr> hm- is it the preload library ... ?
19:02 < morfoh> rxr: spamass* ?
19:02 < rxr> yeo
19:03 < kgb> what i _do_ known is that this problem apeared right after per package ccache
19:03 < rxr> ack
19:03 < rxr> it is
19:03 < rxr> # unset LD_PRELOAD
19:03 < rxr> helped
19:03 < rxr> kgb: it fails whether build with cache or not ...
19:04 < kgb> unset LD_PRELOAD kills our packaging system
19:04 < rxr> kgb: it was in debug.sh for test only ...
19:04 < morfoh> 2:2 Germany vs. Mexico (and Germany just with 10 players on the field ;)
19:08 < kgb> rxr: did my hack on debug.sh worked?
19:08 < rxr> kgb: have not tested yet
19:08 < rxr> sorry
19:09 < kgb> what should i do with gsmp? commit NOPARALLEL?
19:10 < CIA-9> amery * r9924 /branches/2.1/package/emulators/wine/alsa.patch: * merged 9923 from trunk: fixed wine for latest alsa
19:12 < _Ragnar_> moin
19:13 < morfoh> moin Ragnar :)
19:14 < rxr> kgb: ack
19:14 < rxr> to be remove some time soon anyway
19:14 < morfoh> rxr: will you drop gsmp ?
19:14 < rxr> no - but that is the old code base - we already worked on a new one ...
19:14 < morfoh> how can I use svn with [D] ?
19:15 < rxr> svn+http normally ...
19:15 < rxr> snv+http:// ....
19:15 < rxr> or svn:// ...
19:15 < kgb> grep '^\[D\] .* svn' package/*/*/*.desc
19:15 < morfoh> rxr: thx
19:15 < morfoh> kgb: thx .... .oO( script daddy ;)
19:16 < kgb> morfoh: you can't svn plone
19:16 < morfoh> kgb: why not ?
19:16 < kgb> morfoh: they have another script to download the 'rest' from cvs
19:16 < morfoh> kgb: really ? let me check
19:17 < kgb> getCMF.sh
19:17  * minto wonders if kgb == mnemoc?
19:17 < kgb> you would need 1 svn [D] and 8 cvs [D]s
19:18 < kgb> minto: sometime
19:18 < minto> hi kgb
19:18 < kgb> hi minto 
19:19 < mipe> hi mnemoc
19:20 < mipe> and all
19:20 < morfoh> hi minto 
19:20 < morfoh> hi ipe
19:20 < morfoh> arrg
19:20 < mipe> damm, only 20kb/s in rc1 download
19:21 < kgb> minto: try bt
19:21 < kgb> mipe*
19:21 < kgb> mipe: http://torrent.t2-project.org/
19:22 < mipe> i think i got interesting project, maybe put it to as thesis work, making t2 radius(heavily modified) to work on modems and dsl clients
19:22 < kgb> nice idea
19:25 < CIA-9> amery * r9925 /branches/2.1/package/audio/ (8 files in 6 dirs): (log message trimmed)
19:25 < CIA-9> * updated alsa (1.0.8 -> 1.0.9):
19:25 < CIA-9>  * merged 9259,9461,9661 from trunk: updated alsa-driver (1.0.8 -> 1.0.9b)
19:25 < CIA-9>  * merged 9259,9461 from trunk: updated alsa-utils (1.0.8 -> 1.0.9a)
19:25 < CIA-9>  * merged 9259 from trunk: updated alsa-lib (1.0.8 -> 1.0.9)
19:25 < CIA-9>  * merged 9259 from trunk: updated alsa-oss (1.0.8 -> 1.0.9)
19:25 < CIA-9>  * merged 9259 from trunk: updated alsa-firmware (1.0.8 -> 1.0.9)
19:25 < morfoh> mipe: I've still done some packaging regarding radius support.
19:26 < morfoh> mipe: freeradius is also in my local working copy 
19:26 < kgb> T2@ISP :)
19:26 < morfoh> kgb: ack
19:27 < kgb> .oO( mnemosyne-radius )o
19:27 < morfoh> kgb: hehe :D
19:27 < morfoh> kgb: in fact I used mnemosyne for some radius tests some weeks ago
19:27 < minto> rxr: the noisy box will be shutdown shortly.
19:28 < mipe> morfoh: not using standard radius, i and others have modified the standard package quite a bit to suit our needs
19:28 < rxr> minto: ok ,-)
19:29 < morfoh> mipe: what radius did you changed ? and what kind of changes you had done ? 
19:29 < kgb> i need to finish nested-targets ASAP
19:30 < mipe> morfoh: mainly database rework, we needed tickets to go alot of places(diffrent servers) and they didnt want a tool to do that, so we changed radius itself
19:30 < mipe> and some report work was done too
19:31 < kgb> that can be just a target/mipe-radius/pkg_freeradius-tickets.patch
19:31 < mipe> yep
19:31 < morfoh> mipe: ah cool ... and what radius server did you used as base ?
19:31 < minto> rxr: I have problems in properly down dating the dietlibc package. I used the command below  but it does not have the expected effect.
19:31 < minto> svn merge -r 9924:8787 http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/tags/2.1.0-rc1 package/base/dietlibc/
19:31 < kgb> .oO
19:31 < mipe> minto:i think that does a lot of downdating
19:32 < minto> What should I use instead?
19:32 < mipe> try 8787:8786 or otherway around, if 8787 is the dietlibc upgrade
19:32 < kgb> i _didnt_ update dietlibc on rc1!
19:32 < kgb> i just merged the dyn thing
19:33 < kgb> if dynthing is broken i'll revert it on branch
19:33 < mipe> minto: you doing amd64 build? 
19:34 < minto> I am trying too
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19:34 < minto> But my son goes to bed now, so I have to shutdown the box (it is too noisy).
19:34 < azureus> hi
19:34 < mipe> ok,cya
19:34 < kgb> mipe: please use 2.1 branch instead of the tag if you will do development
19:35 < mipe> kgb: i'm using trunk
19:35 < minto> mipe: I will still be here, only my opteron box needs to be shutdown.
19:35 < mipe> ah the radius work,yep
19:35 < mipe> minto: are you using trunk for amd64 build or 2.1 branch?
19:35 < kgb> s/mipe/minto/ :)
19:36 < minto> 2.1 branch
19:36 < minto> actually rc1 tag
19:36 < mipe> oh, havent tryed 2.1 for amd64 only used trunk
19:37 < CIA-9> amery * r9926 /branches/2.1/package/audio/gsmp/gsmp.desc: * marked gsmp as NOPARALLEL
19:37 < mipe> have to set up amd64 build for 2.1 over the weekend. that is if the box didnt die last night
19:37 < minto> :-(
19:38 < CIA-9> amery * r9927 /branches/2.1/package/java/maven/maven.desc: * merged 8877 from trunk: updated maven 2 (2.0-alpha-1 --> 2.0-alpha-2)
19:38 < mipe> kgb: do you have regression reports for 2.1 branch(any tag)?
19:38 < mipe> or anyone else
19:39 < kgb> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/regressions.html
19:39 < kgb> i can give you rsync space for amd64 if you need
19:39 < morfoh> minto: it would be nice to have an ref build for amd64 ;)
19:40 < morfoh> :D
19:40 < kgb> morfoh: and you start sysncing your stuff
19:40 < morfoh> kgb: yes ... but we've to exchange the "keys" yet ;)
19:41 < kgb> morfoh: i can't give you account there, it is LDAP ruled and the boss will notice you on his addressbook
19:41 < kgb> i can only give you rsync account
19:42 < morfoh> rsync is ok ... 
19:42 < minto> morfoh: Ref build is fine. What target is that?
19:43 < kgb> generic
19:43 < kgb> reference is a generic that injects .cache files
19:43 < minto> :-( I have to want till my son wakes up before I can continue?
19:43 < kgb> what we _don't_ want
19:44 < minto> want = wait
19:45 < kgb> ?
19:45 < minto> kgb: not in your line but in mine.  I have to wait till ....
19:45 < kgb> :)
19:47 < SerWou> hello
19:47 < morfoh> salut SerWou :)
19:47 < SerWou> no irc bot nammed "anope" package ? ;)
19:47 < SerWou> hello my little morfoh ;)
19:50 < morfoh> hehe :)
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19:59 < morfoh> wb kgb 
20:01 < kgb> :)
20:01 < minto> kgb: do you have special (automated) scripts reference builds?
20:01 < kgb> Build-Target :)
20:01 < minto> Sure, but when a want to do a few different build one after the other.
20:02 < kgb> i have scripts for rendering the report, for updating the source, for rebuilding changed, for detecting dependees, for syncing download(s etc....
20:02 < kgb> minto: use differente -cfg
20:02 < minto> I understand the cfg concept by now.
20:02 < kgb> o_O
20:03 < minto> Are these scripts you mention part of T2 already?
20:03 < kgb> only a few
20:03 < kgb> at misc/archive
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20:04 < kgb> any voluntier to fix vlc?
20:06 < kgb>  Release: VLC media player 0.8.2 (2005-06-2626 June 2005) !
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20:08 < Postal> hey all
20:08 < Postal> anyone around?
20:10 < morfoh> hi Postal 
20:10 < Postal> hey morfoh 
20:10 < Postal> any news on the dietlibc yet? i just cannot seem to get around that error
20:12 < morfoh> Postal: I think you have to downgrade atm ....
20:12 < Postal> morfoh, i tried this, and it does not fix the problem... 
20:12 < morfoh> Postal: hmmm ... dunno then 
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20:13 < azureus> re
20:13 < Postal> hey azureus 
20:14 < azureus> hi postal
20:16 < Postal> ok i finally subscribed to all the mailing lists
20:21 < Postal> what is this stuff about a graphical installer on the live cd?
20:21 < morfoh> Postal: don't know if there is one 
20:22 < morfoh> Postal: but I think valentin wrote a kde network config tool
20:22 < Postal> its in the mailing list due for next week...
20:22  * rxr lunch - cu
20:22 < Postal> There will be about one release per day over the next two weeks with fixes and 
20:22 < Postal> enhancements. Upcomming releases will at least include:
20:22 < Postal> - graphical network configuration (mostly done)
20:22 < Postal> - graphical installer - due next week
20:22 < morfoh> cu rxr ... greetings to valentin
20:22 < Postal> rxr, you will be back later?
20:28 < Postal> brb going into livecd mode
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20:35 < Postal> hey all
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21:01 < kgb> 3cu
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21:16 < Postal> hey all
21:18 < CIA-9> amery * r9928 /trunk/package/audio/gsmp/gsmp.desc: * merged 9926 from trunk: marked gsmp as NOPARALLEL
21:19 < CIA-9> amery * r9929 /trunk/package/multimedia/vlc/vlc.desc: * updated vlc (0.8.1 -> 0.8.2)
21:21 < Postal> is rxr around?
21:34 < Postal> is there any way around using dietlibc?
21:35 < _Ragnar_> that's a good questions
21:35 < _Ragnar_> -s
21:37 < Postal> Linux From Scratch does not use it... so it cannot be that important
21:37 < CIA-9> amery * r9930 /branches/2.1/package/emulators/wine/ (ole32-stubmanager.patch wine.conf wine.desc): 
21:37 < CIA-9> * merged 9147,9549 from trunk: updated wine (20050419 -> 20050524)
21:37 < CIA-9> * merged 9604 from trunk: marked wine alpha (not beta) and remove all debug confopts
21:37 < CIA-9> * merged 9434 from trunk: removed outdated wine's ROCK_DOC
21:37 < CIA-9> * merged 9603 from trunk: fixed wine for certain setup.exe-s problems to start up
21:38 < _Ragnar_> Postal: problem is that linking statically with glibc is a hassle
21:38 < Postal> _Ragnar_: why is it more of a hassle than with dietlibc?
21:38 < Postal> and will the build scripts do the linking automaticly
21:39 < CIA-9> amery * r9931 /branches/2.1/package/multimedia/vlc/ (vlc.conf vlc.desc): 
21:39 < CIA-9> * merged 9913 from trunk: changed vlc to use var_append
21:39 < CIA-9> * merged 9929 from trunk: updated vlc (0.8.1 -> 0.8.2) - it had problems with hal api
21:39 < _Ragnar_> glibc still tries to load some functionality as .so even when it's supposed to link statically
21:40 < Postal> what is the command to remove it in the config file, lets see what happens
21:40 < _Ragnar_> so you might be thinking you got a static program, but still be dependent on some .so files, which you only realize when you remove them ... bang
21:41 < Postal> maybey... can you give me an example... might help me to understand it better
21:41 < _Ragnar_> do '- dietlibc' for the package selection
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21:42 < kgb> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/regressions.html#postfix <--- voluntiers
21:43 < morfoh> bin/postconf: error while loading shared libraries: libmysqlclient.so.14: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
21:43 < kgb> yes
21:43 < kgb> post-install thing is ignoring -L
21:43 < sepp_> kgb thats why i asked why mysql libs are in /opt/mysql/lib/mysql
21:44 < Postal> _Ragnar_:  -dietlibc in package seletion rules says its invalid
21:44 < _Ragnar_> '- dietlibc'
21:44 < kgb> sepp_: mysql always do $libdir/mysql
21:44 < kgb> sepp_: and we set mysql at opt
21:44 < _Ragnar_> I put it in quote on purpose so you would see that there's a space in there
21:44 < sepp_> path should be in /etc/ld.so.conf
21:45 < kgb> there is no clean way to do that....
21:45 < sepp_> snort has the same problem if you start it
21:45 < kgb> _maybe_ ln -s . /opt/mysql/lib/mysql
21:45 < kgb> making /opt/mysql/lib == /opt/mysql/lib/mysql
21:45 < Postal> kgb: did you try building spamassasin with NOPARALLEL flag?
21:46 < kgb> Postal: yes
21:46 < Postal> kgb: just thought id check cause it was -j4 with a unfinished jobs...
21:46 < Postal> wish it was always that easy lol
21:46 < kgb> Postal: -j4 don't make segfaults, they make file not founds :)
21:47 < Postal> thats true
21:47 < Postal> ;-)
21:47 < kgb> or chaotic .a files
21:48 < Postal> i want to remove dietlibc from the build what is the command for the package selection rules again?
21:48 < kgb> pkgsel:- dietlibc
21:48 < Postal> ah with space
21:49 < kgb> yes
21:49 < _Ragnar_> duh
21:49 < Postal> Ok so now it should link against glibc and not dietlibc?
21:49 < kgb> cONFIG -> Expert -> LibC selection
21:50 < rxr> hi
21:50 < kgb> hi rxr
21:50 < sepp_> hi rxr 
21:50 < kgb> rxr: what about: /opt/mysql/lib == /opt/mysql/lib/mysql   to get it on ld.so.conf ?
21:50 < _Ragnar_> it'll try but some packages will fail
21:50 < Postal> hey rxr 
21:51 < Postal> _Ragnar_: the packages that will fail, can they be linked manually?
21:52 < _Ragnar_> dunno, probably
21:52 < kgb> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/regressions.html <--- 13 of 1586 considering postfix failed update
21:53 < Postal> _Ragnar_:  well i am doing a minimal template
21:53 < Postal> rxr: you around?
21:56 < _Ragnar_> Postal: for me rockplug++ and embutils failed without dietlibc
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21:56 < Postal> _Ragnar_: that was fast, howd you figure that out?
21:57 < Postal> _Ragnar_: cant i just install dietlibc later after the fact?
21:57 < Postal> play with it by hand?
21:59 < _Ragnar_> my problem is that dietlibc fails completely for me
21:59 < Postal> _Ragnar_: me also
21:59 < Postal> :-D
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22:02 < kgb> bbl!  cu
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22:05 < morfoh> sepp_: how do you fixed the postfix issue on your site ?
22:05 < morfoh> sepp_: hi btw ;)
22:06 < sepp_> for snort i linked /opt/mysql/lib/mysql to /opt/mysql/lib
22:06 < sepp_> also hi :)
22:06 < morfoh> snort failed too ?
22:06 < morfoh> :)
22:06 < sepp_> no at runtime it does not find libmysql*
22:07 < morfoh> ok ... I'll try to fix it
22:07 < morfoh> sepp_: and postfix ?
22:07 < morfoh> same ?
22:07 < sepp_> i have not tested it but i think so
22:08 < morfoh> sepp_: do you use postfix regularely ?
22:08 < sepp_> not regularely
22:09 < morfoh> sepp_: I'm not a postfix user ... so I thought you could test it
22:09 < sepp_> uhm ok
22:09 < morfoh> that would be nice .... thx :)
22:11 < Postal> _Ragnar_:  embutils, and rockplug++ both not critical correct?
22:13 < _Ragnar_> rockplug _kinda_ is
22:13 < _Ragnar_> without it linux will fail;p
22:13 < _Ragnar_> I complained about that to rxr already
22:13 < sepp_> btw. i installed a rc2 this week - sshd still complains about /var/empty to be world readable
22:13 < sepp_> /var/empty is ssh's home ...
22:14 < Postal> _Ragnar_:  cant you just use regular hotplug
22:16 < _Ragnar_> uhm yes?
22:16 < _Ragnar_> the unpriv. part of sshd should probably have access to its homedir
22:17 < sepp_> yes it wants 600 but mysql for example has the same home 
22:18 < _Ragnar_> mysql should have /jail/ ...
22:19 < sepp_> without jailing 
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22:37 < Postal> if anyone is interested in fixing dietlibc for x86_64 then i would be happy to give remote acess to my box to fix it...
22:39 < morfoh> Postal:  thanks ... bu I guess you should ask rxr about it ... but afaik he hasn't that much time the next days
22:40 < Postal> morfoh: no prob, just thought id offer, i have enough power to spare
22:41 < morfoh> hehe :)
22:41 < Postal> does the livecd have ssh?
22:41 < morfoh> yes
22:41 < Postal> ok so then someone could log in through that
22:42 < morfoh> but you have to generate keys 
22:42 < Postal> morfoh: is that difficult?
22:42 < morfoh> it's not started by default
22:42 < morfoh> first check if sshd is really there
22:43 < morfoh> and take a look at ssh-keygen I think
22:43 < Postal> morfoh: yes it is ssh ssh-add ssh-agent ssh-keygen ssh-keyscan and sshd are all there
22:44 < sepp_> there is a stone submenu
22:44 < morfoh> use it ;)
22:44 < Postal> sepp_:  ??
22:44 < Postal> morfoh:  how?
22:44 < sepp_> to generate ssh keys and start it
22:44 < morfoh> running "stone" command ?
22:45 < Postal> how do i know what the keys are
22:46 < Postal> i created a ssh host keypair
22:46 < morfoh> just generate them and start ssh
22:47 < valentin> re
22:47 < morfoh> hi valentin :)
22:47 < Postal> hey valentin 
22:48 < sepp_> hi valentin 
22:48 < Postal> morfoh: how do i start ssh
22:48 < morfoh> stone ?
22:48 < Postal> from stone
22:48 < morfoh> or
22:48 < morfoh>  /etc/init.d/sshd start
22:49 < Postal> ok its started
22:49 < morfoh> good
22:49 < Postal> now what?
22:49 < morfoh> errrh ?
22:49 < morfoh> what do you wanna do ?
22:49 < Postal> i dont know how do people connect?
22:50 < morfoh> with a ssh client using the server IP 
22:50 < sepp_> ssh -l [user] host 
22:51 < Postal> i have a router, do i have to set it up to forward to my port or something like that?
22:52 < morfoh> yes ... because it has the official IP 
22:52 < morfoh> but be carefull while setting up your gateway ;)
22:52 < Postal> that should be on my router config page?
22:53 < Postal> or using some linux utility?
22:54 < morfoh> you have to configure your gateway anyway
22:55 < Postal> ok, do you know how to do this, or point me to a howto?
22:55 < Postal> but ill brb in 5 pick up borhter
22:57 < sepp_> should i ask about a logo idea again?
22:57 < morfoh> sepp_: do you have some new ideas ?
22:58 < sepp_> http://home.arcor.de/sebastian.czech/t2/t2_alt_x1.png - only a concept in 3d 
22:59 < sepp_> should work good as svg 100x100 or so
22:59 < sepp_> really only a concept 
22:59 < morfoh> nice ... idea ... but t2 has to be "formed" out of it ;)
23:00 < sepp_> uhm this will not work in 100x100 pixel
23:00 < sepp_> or less
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23:02 < Postal> morfoh: so how do i configure the router to let people connect to my computer
23:04 < morfoh> Postal: don't know how to configure your router ? try to get a look into the man pages and looking for some portforwarding things or so ...
23:04 < Postal> ok
23:07 < Postal> What about a virtual server "This function will allow you to route external internet calls for services such as web server FTP server and other aplications through yout router to your internal network."
23:08 < Postal> what ports does ssh use?
23:12 < Postal> gcc erred out in stage 1
23:13 < morfoh> grep "SSH" /etc/services
23:13 < Postal> /home/root/t2/t2-trunk/build/edward-2.2.0-alpha-x86-64-athlon64-generic/TOOLCHAIN/tools.cross/crosscc/../lib64/gcc/x86_64-t2-linux-gnu/3.4.3/../../../../x86_64-t2-linux-gnu/bin/ld: crti.o: No such file: No such file or directory
23:13 < Postal> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
23:13 < Postal> make[2]: *** [32/libgcc_s_32.so] Error 1
23:13 < Postal> make[2]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
23:14 < Postal> NOPARALLEL?
23:14 < morfoh> try it
23:14 < Postal> where are the package config files again?
23:15 < sepp_> package/base/gcc
23:15 < Postal> found it
23:15 < Postal> lol
23:15 < Postal> "F] DIETLIBC CC KCC CXX F77" does what?
23:25 < Postal> gcc appears to be looking for a x86-32 arch file... guess i should build glibc 32
23:34 < Postal> does someone want to ssh connect to me to see if i set up the Virtual Server right?
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