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00:08 < valentin> gn8
00:08 < morfoh> gn8 valentin
00:08 < valentin> thx
00:08 < morfoh> I'll go sleep too in some minutes
00:36 < morfoh> good night all
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04:00 < keinek> hi
04:42 < CIA-11> amery * r9891 /branches/2.1/target/mnemosyne/pkg_mod_python.conf: * added mod_python preconfiguration for mnemosyne
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07:35 < CIA-11> amery * r9892 /branches/2.1/package/gnome2/ (24 files in 24 dirs): (log message trimmed)
07:35 < CIA-11> * updated gnome2 (2.10.0 -> 2.10.1)
07:35 < CIA-11> * merged 8492 from trunk: updated metacity (2.10.0 -> 2.10.1)
07:35 < CIA-11> * merged 8492 from trunk: updated nautilus (2.10.0 -> 2.10.1)
07:35 < CIA-11> * merged 8492 from trunk: updated nautilus-cd-burner (2.10.0 -> 2.10.1)
07:35 < CIA-11> * merged 8492 from trunk: updated libgtop (2.10.0 -> 2.10.1)
07:35 < CIA-11> * merged 9362 from trunk: updated libgnomecanvas (2.10.0 -> 2.10.2)
07:42 < CIA-11> amery * r9893 /branches/2.1/package/e17/ (imlib2/imlib2.desc imlib2_loaders/imlib2_loaders.desc):
07:42 < CIA-11> * merged 9657 from trunk: updated imlib2 (1.2.0 -> 1.2.1)
07:42 < CIA-11> * merged 9658 from trunk: updated imlib2_loaders (1.2.0 -> 1.2.1)
07:47 < CIA-11> amery * r9894 /branches/2.1/package/gnome2/totem/totem.desc: * merged 8492,8493,9537 from trunk: updated totem (1.0 -> 1.0.3)
07:52 < CIA-11> amery * r9895 /branches/2.1/package/gnome2/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
07:52 < CIA-11> * merged 8492,9517 from trunk: updated evolution (2.2.1.1 -> 2.2.3)
07:52 < CIA-11> * merged 9517 from trunk: updated evolution-data-server (1.2.2 -> 1.2.3)
07:52 < CIA-11> * merged 8492 from trunk: updated evolution-webcal (2.2.0 -> 2.2.1)
07:56 < CIA-11> amery * r9896 /branches/2.1/package/gnome2/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
07:56 < CIA-11> * merged 8492 from trunk: updated gnome-pilot (2.0.12 -> 2.0.13)
07:56 < CIA-11> * merged 8492 from trunk: updated gnome-pilot-conduits (2.0.12 -> 2.0.13)
08:28 < CIA-11> amery * r9897 /branches/2.1/package/gnome2/ (10 files in 10 dirs): (log message trimmed)
08:28 < CIA-11> * merged 8492 from trunk: updated vte (0.11.12 -> 0.11.13)
08:28 < CIA-11> * merged 8492 from trunk: updated gcalctool (5.5.41 -> 5.5.42)
08:28 < CIA-11> * merged 8492 from trunk: updated gok (1.0.2 -> 1.0.3)
08:28 < CIA-11> * merged 8492 from trunk: updated gworldclock (1.4.2 -> 1.4.4)
08:28 < CIA-11> * merged 8896 from trunk: updated anjuta (1.2.2 -> 1.2.3)
08:28 < CIA-11> * merged 9182 from trunk: updated alleyoop (0.8.3 -> 0.9.0)
08:42 < CIA-11> amery * r9898 /branches/2.1/package/gnome2/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
08:42 < CIA-11> * merged 9362 from trunk: updated gnome-speech (0.3.6 -> 0.3.7)
08:42 < CIA-11> * merged 8492,9734 from trunk: updated netspeed_applet (0.11 -> 0.12)
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10:21 < CIA-12> lars * r9899 /trunk/package/multimedia/speex/ (. speex.desc):
10:21 < CIA-12> * Added package speex, a patent-free opensource audio codec
10:21 < CIA-12> for speech. It is needed by linphone > 1.1.10.
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11:53 < morfoh> moin
12:10 < valentin> moin
12:12 < valentin> we need a unique logo for all our sites ,)
12:22 < morfoh> hi valentin
12:23 < morfoh> valentin: the logo on trac was just a quick drawing I made
13:19 < CIA-12> lars * r9900 /trunk/package/multimedia/speex/:
13:19 < CIA-12> * Reverted rev 9899, because the package is already there.
13:19 < CIA-12> Sorry for the noise...
13:20 < CIA-12> lars * r9901 /trunk/package/audio/speex/speex.desc: * Updated speex (1.0.5 -> 1.1.10).
13:25 < CIA-12> lars * r9902 /trunk/package/audio/speex/speex.desc: * Changed status of speex from Stable to Beta.
13:26 < CIA-12> lars * r9903 /trunk/package/multimedia/linphone/ (linphone.desc no-gtkdoc.patch):
13:26 < CIA-12> * Updated linphone (0.12.2 -> 1.0.1). The update fixes the
13:26 < CIA-12> program crash on opening the preferences dialog.
13:52 < CIA-12> chris * r9904 /trunk/package/security/grsecurity/ (gradm-Makefile-fix.patch grsecurity.desc):
13:52 < CIA-12> * updated grsecurity (2.1.5 -> 2.1.6)
13:52 < CIA-12> * Note: this update also includes new linux kernel patches for 2.4 and 2.6
14:20 < jsaw> g'morning
14:20 < jsaw> :)
14:21 < valentin> hi jsaw
14:22 < morfoh> moin jsaw
14:25 < jsaw> hi valentin, morfoh
14:41 < valentin> bbl, cu
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15:49 < CIA-12> chris * r9906 /branches/2.1/package/security/vserver/vserver.desc:
15:49 < CIA-12> * merged r8646, r8848, r8849, r9110, r9436, r9620:
15:49 < CIA-12> * fixed vserver extender .conf
15:49 < CIA-12> * updated (2.0-pre3 -> 2.0-rc4)
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16:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: around ?
16:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: I've started a ref build for the current 2.1 branch r9906
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16:41 < CIA-12> chris * r9907 /branches/2.1/package/security/grsecurity/ (gradm-Makefile-fix.patch grsecurity.desc): * merged r9331, r9904: updated grsecurity (2.1.5 -> 2.1.6)
16:45 < morfoh> bbl, cu later
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17:09 < minto> hi all
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17:25 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc1 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
17:25 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Tue Jun 21 16:27:15 2005]
17:25 [Users #t2]
17:25 [ _Lewellyn] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ Postal|Away] [ SerWou ]
17:25 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ minto] [ mtr_ ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly]
17:25 [ CIA-12 ] [ mipe ] [ nzg ] [ rxr_ ] [ valentin ]
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17:25 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
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17:29 < minto> rxr: Have you arrived home?
17:31 < CIA-12> jsaw * r9908 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/mkinitrd:
17:31 < CIA-12> * depmod needs to know the System.map, and for 2.4.* series,
17:31 < CIA-12> -ae must be supplied as argument
17:32 < jsaw> rxr: ^-- this reveals a few unresolved symbols, e.g.
17:33 < jsaw> ext3,hci_usb,hci_vhci, etc.
17:33 < jsaw> but bootdisk builds error free again (trunk), I'll verify if it works later.
17:33 < jsaw> gotta go, cu
17:38 < valentin> re
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17:45 < minto> hi morfoh :-)
17:45 < morfoh> hey minto :)
17:45 < valentin> hi minto
17:45 < minto> hi valentin
17:45 < morfoh> hi valentin
17:46 < valentin> how was your weekend with rxr ? all jobs completed ?
17:46 < minto> rxr will be arriving shortly I guess.
17:46 < minto> Very nice.
17:46 < minto> His plane was scheduled to land at 16:45
17:47 < valentin> what airport ?
17:47 < morfoh> schoenefeld I guess
17:48 < morfoh> if it was a cheap flight
17:49 < valentin> then it will take about 1h to get to rxr's place
17:49 < morfoh> valentin: but he can jump out of the train and visiting you
17:50 < minto> Yes it was schoenefeld
17:51 < valentin> morfoh: i do not think so, he will travel till baumschulenweg and then take the souther ring
17:51 < morfoh> ah...ok
17:51 < minto> Maybe he will visit Susan first. He might have mentioned something like that.
17:52 < minto> Maybe he takes the first train back to amsterdam. He liked it here very much.
17:52 < morfoh> hehe :)
17:53 < valentin> my friend from arnhem said, amsterdam has a good engery
17:54 < morfoh> minto: I'm thinking about to go there for my masters studies ...
17:56 < minto> They have good University here
17:56 < minto> morfor: What subject?
17:58 < morfoh> minto: the course here is called "Software and System Technology"
17:58 < minto> Hmm, sound pretty vage.
17:59 < morfoh> minto: yes ... just call it CS
17:59 < morfoh> but this is also vage
17:59 < morfoh> :)
17:59 < minto> CS for Computer Science?
17:59 < morfoh> yep
17:59 < minto> I studied that in Delft.
18:00 < minto> It is of a more technical nature there.
18:00 < morfoh> minto: yes ... indeed. I talked to my cousin from sweden which works at the Goteborg University and he was involved in some European programm and he told me the Uni Delft is quite nice
18:01 < morfoh> regarding CS
18:01 < minto> Yeah, also the city is very nice. rxr can confirm. We have been there.
18:01 < morfoh> minto: I've to check the courses there and if it will fit
18:02 < valentin> i dislike the term "computer science" because i think it does not get the point right
18:02 < minto> But travelling to Delft Uni from amterdam is doable. I had classmates doing so back then,
18:03 < morfoh> btw, we've a new issue tracker available -> https://trac.t2-project.org/ <- feel free to file issues and proposing enhancements
18:03 < minto> valentin: I agree. I did informatics. The software side. CS is more the hardware side.
18:04 < minto> rxr has added a few to his todo list.
18:04 < valentin> minto: they just call it "informatik" here. it splits up in things like "technische info." or "theoretische info." etc
18:04 < valentin> morfoh: what is your plan for www2 ?
18:05 < morfoh> ok ... but note: the svn browser isn't working right now because we've to sync the issue tracker with the main repo yet
18:08 < morfoh> valentin: rearding www2 I see 2 options atm .... try to upgrade plone and trying to get multilanguage support working or writing some small postcommit scripts which generate static content mainly from the Documentation dir ... what do you think?
18:10 < morfoh> trac is just intended as issue tracker and for doing some quick and dirty documentation
18:17 < mnemoc> moin
18:18 < morfoh> moin mnemoc :)
18:18 < mnemoc> i want plone as multilanguage user/PR documentation and maybe some day an integrated regressions system, suggesting updates and commenting
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18:19 < morfoh> mnemoc: do you have a todo list for 2.1-rc2 ?
18:20 < morfoh> mnemoc: so ... I should update plone to 2.1 which will be officially released at the beginning of august ..
18:21 < valentin> moin mnemoc
18:21 < mnemoc> morfoh: rc2: improved sparc, last alsa, reviewed flists
18:21 < mnemoc> moin valentin
18:23 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, I updated linux26 and grsec in 2.1 branch today
18:23 < mnemoc> uhm
18:23 < morfoh> and started a ref build
18:24 < mnemoc> only update kernel on 2.1 _after_ testing it against _every_ extension we support
18:24 < morfoh> mnemoc: the shouldn't be harmful
18:24 < mnemoc> rsbac, vserver, grsec, rtai, ... ?
18:25 < mnemoc> on the stable branch something is harmless only after it's tested to work
18:25 < morfoh> ok ok ... do I have merged the working vserver stuff yet ? ... I think so
18:26 < mnemoc> you can merge, but only _after_ testing _all_ it's saide efects
18:26 < mnemoc> side*
18:27 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ... in fact I tested grsec and vserver quite intensive the last weeks
18:27 < mnemoc> and the others?
18:27 < morfoh> yes I know ...
18:28 < mnemoc> i don't need runtime tests, just buildtime ones
18:28 < morfoh> ok ... give me list whit test candidates
18:30 < mnemoc> # echo package/*/*/pkg_linux* | tr ' ' '\n' | cut -d'/' -f3 | sort -u | wc -l
18:30 < mnemoc> 27
18:31 < morfoh> thanks ;)
18:31 < mnemoc> most are Xed, an tested by default. but many are 'O'
18:31 < mnemoc> rxr_: are you at home?
18:33 < morfoh> uml_utilities is ok too
18:34 < mnemoc> you tell me you tested everyone, and i'll beleave you
18:34 < morfoh> there are still some to test
18:34 < morfoh> your l7-filter is ok too
18:35 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ... I'll "walk" through the package list now
18:36 < mnemoc> our 'regressions system' will have to show a list of dependender and a checklist to say if they are happy or not with the update :)
18:37 < mnemoc> and a note in case it doesn't
18:37 * morfoh hides
18:37 < mnemoc> future^3
18:38 < mnemoc> at least after you settle on your new flat
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18:38 < mnemoc> hi mipe
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18:51 < mipe> hi mnemoc
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18:56 < morfoh> hi mipe
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19:31 < azureus> hi @ all
19:43 < CIA-12> chris * r9909 /trunk/package/network/isdn4k-utils/isdn4k-utils.conf: * added DESTDIR to the make command which will fix the creation of files outside of the base dir while building the package.
19:43 < valentin> wow - the rock booth at LT was as informative as always
19:44 < _Ragnar_> in a good or bad sense?
19:44 < morfoh> hi Ragnar
19:45 < morfoh> valentin: did you traveled there ?
19:46 < valentin> no
19:47 < valentin> http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~jahre/linuxtag-2005/
19:47 < morfoh> valentin: ah! :)
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19:49 < morfoh> valentin: nice booth :D
19:53 < mnemoc> http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~jahre/linuxtag-2005/.tmp/IMG_2071.JPG.html <--- very nice booth :)
19:56 < CIA-12> amery * r9910 /trunk/package/games/mahjong/mahjong.conf: * fixed mahjong to use it's prefix properly
19:58 < morfoh> while looking at http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~jahre/linuxtag-2005/.tmp/IMG_2078.JPG.info.html <-- seems that god@rocklinux.org cloned himself
19:59 < mnemoc> how are the others?
19:59 < valentin> the guy in the middle is hannes, the one to the right is fake imo
20:00 < valentin> and the one standing on the left is clifford of course
20:01 < valentin> how can i get the high resolution version of that image ?
20:01 < morfoh> click on more
20:01 < mnemoc> more? where?
20:03 < valentin> i just see a "close"
20:03 < morfoh> http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~jahre/linuxtag-2005/.tmp/IMG_2078.JPG.html
20:04 < mnemoc> morfoh: and the 'more'?
20:04 < mnemoc> i see same size
20:04 < morfoh> .oO( I'm sorounded by blind people) :)
20:05 < morfoh> beneath the picture
20:05 < mnemoc> yes, i click and..... ?
20:05 < mnemoc> same size
20:06 < valentin> same here
20:06 < mnemoc> more shows extra _info_ on the right
20:06 < valentin> yes, but ... where do i get the images ?
20:06 < morfoh> okok ... what the hell
20:07 * valentin and mnemoc == blind people ...
20:07 < mnemoc> http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~jahre/linuxtag-2005/index.html
20:07 < morfoh> valentin: nah
20:08 < valentin> mnemoc: yes, and ?
20:08 < mnemoc> there you have pcitures :)
20:09 < morfoh> ok ... guys back to work ;)
20:14 < CIA-12> amery * r9911 /branches/2.1/package/network/isdn4k-utils/isdn4k-utils.conf: * merged 9909 from trunk: fixed isdn4k-utils by using DESTDIR
20:14 < morfoh> :)
20:17 < CIA-12> amery * r9912 /branches/2.1/package/games/mahjong/mahjong.conf: * merged 9910 from trunk: fixed mahjong to use it's prefix properly
20:18 < mnemoc> valentin: is rene at berlin?
20:20 < CIA-12> amery * r9913 /trunk/package/multimedia/vlc/vlc.conf: * changed vlc to use var_append
20:20 < minto> mnemoc: Should be I personally guided him through customs at the airport.
20:20 < minto> hi mnemoc
20:21 < mnemoc> hi minto
20:21 < mnemoc> did amd64 thing worked?
20:21 < morfoh> mnemoc: he should be ... but visiting susan as valentin pointed out
20:21 < minto> Yess, :-( But unfortunately the box is too noisy that you can hear in the room below.
20:22 < minto> It took us a while though. We often got this unpredictable anoying general protection fault. But after upgrading the bios it went smooth.
20:22 < mnemoc> it's better to hear it than to have it idling :)
20:23 < minto> Sure, but you don't have to sleep below it.
20:23 < minto> :-)
20:24 < minto> Now I am looking for a 19" cabinet to put it in.
20:24 < mnemoc> :)
20:27 < morfoh> does anybody know what this qmatplotrc in qmatplot package is for ?
20:27 < mnemoc> config i guess
20:31 < morfoh> mnemoc: this is causing the qmatplot issue I guess
20:31 < morfoh> ./src/config/Makefile: echo "installPath=$(prefix)" >> qmatplotrc
20:32 < mnemoc> is that something like $HOME/qmatplotrc ?
20:32 < morfoh> seems so
20:32 < mnemoc> what about /etc/qmatplotrc ?
20:33 < morfoh> /etc/opt/kde3/ ?
20:34 < mnemoc> $( pkgprefix sysconfdir kdebase ) in that case
20:35 < morfoh> ok
20:44 < CIA-12> amery * r9914 /trunk/package/audio/vorbis-tools/vorbis-tools.desc: * repriorized vorbis-tools after flac, libao, libogg and libvorbis
20:50 < CIA-12> amery * r9915 /branches/2.1/package/audio/vorbis-tools/vorbis-tools.desc: * merged 9914 from trunk: repriorized vorbis-tools after flac, libao, libogg and libvorbis
20:53 < valentin> rene is back
20:53 < mnemoc> :D
20:55 < morfoh> hehe .)
21:01 < rxr_> hi all
21:01 -!- You're now known as rxr
21:01 < SerWou> hello
21:01 < morfoh> hi rxr, SerWou :)
21:01 < SerWou> anyone installed unreal_ircd here ?
21:01 < SerWou> hello morfoh ;)
21:02 < morfoh> SerWou: nope
21:03 < rxr> had lunch with susan and got my 19" LCD back ...
21:03 < SerWou> because when i emerged it, a file is missing to launch it :(
21:03 < rxr> hi minto mnemoc morfoh valentin and all ,-)
21:03 < morfoh> wb rxr ... :)
21:04 < SerWou> cloak.so is missing
21:04 < mnemoc> hi rxr
21:04 < mnemoc> rxr: don't forget alsa please
21:04 < SerWou> hello mnemoc
21:04 < rxr> mnemoc: ack
21:04 < rxr> maybe I do this now - before going to bed ...
21:05 < minto> Hi rxr, How was your flight?
21:05 < valentin> re
21:06 < minto> rxr: The Sun Ultra 20 for less than 30 dollars a month can be found at
21:06 < minto> http://www.sun.com/emrkt/freeopteronworkstation/index.html
21:06 < rxr> maybe I should get a 20" Apple Cinema display ...
21:06 < rxr> minto: thanks ;-)
21:07 < rxr> minto: the flight was smooth and not too filed - I guess less than 50% ...
21:07 < mnemoc> .oO
21:09 < mnemoc> 30 dollars per month? where is the trick?
21:09 < morfoh> mnemoc: hmmm ... asking me the same
21:10 < SerWou> take the Dell 24" ;)
21:10 < minto> Sun is cherishing 3rd party developers
21:11 < morfoh> SerWou: I guess some people around don't like Dell that much ;)
21:12 < morfoh> but also Sun is considered suspect ;)
21:12 < valentin> well, it is a total of $1080
21:12 < mnemoc> i have dell, and i hate it
21:12 < valentin> how much does it cost ?
21:12 < morfoh> .oO( but this Sun offer is nice )o
21:12 < rxr> mnemoc: 30*12*3 is more than the initial price right now
21:12 < rxr> valentin: 8xx
21:13 < valentin> so they earn a total of about $200
21:13 < rxr> 895
21:13 < mnemoc> that is 5 extra dollars per month
21:13 < valentin> yep
21:13 < mnemoc> sounds resonable
21:14 < minto> But you have some kind of support contract. Don't know what it means though.
21:14 < rxr> I filled the form anyway ...
21:14 < rxr> better a AMD64 today than tomorrow
21:14 < rxr> and at least from the picture the case looks quite nice
21:14 < rxr> better than the usual PC junk
21:14 < morfoh> rxr: ack
21:14 < minto> rxr: Ask if the monitor is included as well. :-)
21:14 < mnemoc> does it include display, etc, etc, etc.. ?
21:14 < mnemoc> :)
21:14 < morfoh> minto: :D
21:15 < morfoh> minto: do you have this box there ?
21:16 < rxr> the normal package not
21:16 < rxr> no keyboard or monitor
21:17 < rxr> though I hope it makes less noise than the U30 ...
21:17 < mnemoc> $895.00 + 512RAM = $1,395.00
21:17 < rxr> hey - look at the
21:18 < rxr> gallery - the box includes hot swap SATA trays. ...
21:20 < morfoh> mnemoc: qmatplot fixed ;)
21:20 < minto> morfoh: No, I have a dual opteron in a Tyan barebone.
21:21 < morfoh> ah ok
21:21 < rxr> in a 1HE 19" unit ,-)
21:22 < minto> and makes noise like a formula 1 racing car.
21:22 < minto> with 4x 300 Gb Sata HD
21:23 < rxr> so - me calling @home to wake the athlon ...
21:23 < rxr> and now getting a look in susan's fridge ...
21:24 < minto> rxr: Did Susan like your present?
21:24 < rxr> yes, thanks god she did *g* ,-)
21:25 < rxr> hm - maracuja mango juice ,-)
21:28 < minto> rxr: You will get Java pre installed on that box. :-)
21:29 < morfoh> hehe :D
21:29 < rxr> minto: I rm -rf slowlaris ,-)
21:31 < minto> Hmm, can't find out what the hardware and software support exactly means.
21:32 < minto> The contract, I meant, on which you get the U20 box for free.
21:33 < rxr> minto: maybe sun answers soon ,-)
21:33 < rxr> to my values I filled the form with ...
21:34 < rxr> mnemoc: do you have al link to the alsa error handy ?
21:34 < CIA-12> chris * r9916 /trunk/package/scientific/qmatplot/qmatplot.conf:
21:34 < CIA-12> * added QSETTINGSDIR to makeinstopt in qmatplot.conf for installing qmatplotrc in the $sysconfdir of kde
21:34 < CIA-12> * fixes: Issue #4
21:35 < mnemoc> rxr: http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/log/5-wine.err
21:35 < rxr> thanks
21:35 < _Ragnar_> rxr: why are there so many new dependencies with newer version? why does hotplug++ explicitly depend on dietlibc? why does the kernel build depend on hotplug++ ?
21:36 < morfoh> mnemoc: r9916 should fix the qmatplot issue
21:36 < rxr> ouhm - because with the new modular everything kernel the kernel indeeds injects hotplug++ for the boot hardware module loading into the ramdisk ...
21:36 < rxr> hotplug++ must be built with dietlibc or uclibc to be usable ...
21:37 < rxr> udev hotplug++ and the module tools are in the initrd for early userspace module loading
21:37 < rxr> formerly only some hardware magially worked when the right module have been statically linked into the kernel
21:37 < rxr> now we support any system building everything as module
21:38 < rxr> and for booting from abreitary udev names we also need udev on the early userspace
21:38 < _Ragnar_> yes there is an advantage of using an initrd, but to force it on the user ... dunn
21:38 < _Ragnar_> dunno*
21:38 < rxr> well - that is the default
21:38 < CIA-12> amery * r9917 /trunk/package/graphic/gimp/gimp.desc: * updated gimp (2.2.7 -> 2.2.8)
21:38 < _Ragnar_> the soekris builds and boots fine without initrd (custom kernel config)
21:38 < rxr> I also expect a t2 system just work on any hardware I place under it - not like in windows that freaks out when you exchange all the hardware underneath
21:39 < rxr> in t2 you can still solder custom, static things together - e.g. for the embedded world
21:39 < rxr> just use it then
21:39 < rxr> whe you disable module support the initrd is not even build ...
21:39 < rxr> though we might need another option to still build modules but no initrd ...
21:39 * _Ragnar_ nods
21:39 < _Ragnar_> that would be nice
21:40 < _Ragnar_> or giving me a hint how to fix dietlibc :)
21:43 < rxr> on amd64 ?
21:43 < rxr> .o(revert to $ver-1 ...)
21:43 < rxr> that built
21:43 < rxr> and/or diff what changed ...
21:43 < rxr> ... if you mean the ICE ...
21:43 < rxr> or fix GCC to not ICE indeed ...
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21:46 < veki> hi
21:46 < morfoh> hi veki :)
21:46 < rxr> Qt4 freigegeben [Update]
21:46 < veki> hi, how are you
21:46 < veki> rxr: is freigegeben update
21:47 < morfoh> veki: = released
21:47 < veki> Ah, OK, I am trying to learn some german by the way :-)
21:47 < morfoh> veki: btw, I'm quite ok ... and you ?
21:47 < veki> ah, yes, quite OK, working whole day, we are preparing international conferenc eon localization here
21:48 < veki> installing Linux in many NGOs here etc.
21:48 < minto> rxr: Found 3 embedded boards in that magazine
21:48 < minto> http://www.embeddedarm.com/
21:48 < minto> http://www.emacinc.com/
21:48 < minto> http://www.routerboard.com/
21:48 < veki> listening Radiohead right now etc..
21:48 < minto> I think you meant the first one.
21:48 < minto> What was the third thing you wanted me to do?
21:49 < veki> do you make embedded hardware?
21:49 < minto> Veki: Me? Nope.
21:50 < veki> AH, I knwo some guys here who made Linux run ADSL boards, etc...
21:50 < veki> I was active with them in buidling embedded audio card
21:50 < veki> www.opencores.org
21:50 < valentin> veki: where are you listening radiohead from ?
21:50 < veki> laptop
21:50 < veki> do you know that band?
21:51 < valentin> yes
21:51 < veki> it is good
21:51 < veki> I have heard about it a couple of years ago in Darmstadt
21:52 < valentin> i like it, too
21:52 < valentin> they have quite good live performance
21:52 < veki> so gus, we are radiohead fans
21:52 < veki> yes, they do, they are very good live
21:52 < veki> there were alot of times here on TV
21:52 < valentin> hm, i think a fan is something different.
21:53 < valentin> i would not call myself a fan
21:53 < veki> not in terms of computer :-)
21:53 < valentin> but i like them though
21:53 < veki> fan is also affiliate, lover, person who appreciate something ...
21:53 < veki> we are not rotating and cooling processor :-)
21:53 < valentin> :)
21:53 < veki> he he
21:54 < rxr> minto: your thinkpad model to take a look into pending patches ,-)
21:54 < veki> I like passive cooling system. At least it does not make me feel liek worker in old industry with alot of sounds around
21:55 < _Ragnar_> :)
21:55 < veki> the next is Jethro Tull, as far as I see
21:55 < rxr> MacSTL is a C++ source library which offers an implementation of std::valarray which is optimized for the SIMD instructions on PowerPC and Pentium processors. It runs from 3.6 to 16.2 times faster than hand-coded scalar loops. It also wraps the SIMD data types in an object-oriented package, allowing programmers to use familiar infix notation (e.g. v0 = v1 + v2).
21:55 < veki> at least electric guitars prevent me like computing agriculture tractor instead of building target
21:56 < rxr> Shadow 4.0.10
21:57 < veki> I tried to do startx but it said that it could initialize font in teh font path hm?
21:57 < rxr> Your Rights Online: AMD Files Antitrust Lawsuit Against Intel
21:58 < veki> hm, as one singer said : there is war between ricj and poor... and tjhose who say that there is war and tjopse who say that there is not
21:59 < veki> supreme court in USA rled something nasty against file sharing..
22:02 < SerWou> yes
22:02 < SerWou> Major Music/Movies companies won
22:03 < veki> It is worose for them to make thigs outlaw because enormous anger will take place which nobody can control. I have to go now. I will be back in a couple of minutes, there are good pancakes aroun the corner. they are so big so we call them: blanket with chocolate :-)
22:04 < valentin> sad thing is, there is no anger at all. same for audio cd copy protection shit. noone cares and everybody keeps buying theese un-CDs
22:05 < veki> but, those who are silent may be the most dangerous for them. Making things outlawed in cuber space is not good because you shift problem in cyberspace which you cannot control. So in the shortterm they won, which will not escape them from financial losses. In teh longterm they lost control :-)
22:06 < veki> so we need to distruibute copy protection breakers and enable people to do more comfortable home listening :-)
22:08 < veki> I will be back soon
22:08 < veki> cu
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22:13 < minto> rxr: Ahh, slapping my forehead, how could I forget about that.
22:13 < minto> IBM Thinkpad A21p (type 2629)
22:23 < CIA-12> amery * r9918 /branches/2.1/package/scientific/qmatplot/qmatplot.conf: * merged 9916 from trunk: fixed #4, qmatplot writting qmatplotrc outside top-dirs
22:40 < minto> Oeps, that late already. I am off to bed.
22:40 < minto> Sleep well all.
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22:40 < veki> sleep well
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23:07 < Postal> hey all
23:08 < Postal> is rxr around?
23:11 < Postal> is anyone around?
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