--- Log opened Sun Jun 26 00:00:00 2005 00:23 -!- mnemoc_ is now known as mnemoc 01:52 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BFCD70.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:12 < valentin> short re 02:12 < mnemoc> hi valentin 02:15 < valentin> hi mnemoc 02:33 < valentin> gn8 03:30 -!- azureus [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc37b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:35 -!- ojh [~omer@71-34-246-177.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2 03:56 < CIA-9> amery * r9850 /trunk/package/kde/koffice/koffice.desc: * updated koffice (1.4.0 -> 1.4.0a) 04:49 -!- ojh [~omer@71-34-246-177.eugn.qwest.net] has left #t2 [] 04:54 -!- ojh [~omer@71-34-246-177.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2 05:00 -!- lewellyn [lewellyn@lewellyn.silver.supporter.pdpc] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:10 -!- _Lewelly1 [lewellyn@cpc127-4-21-1.cable.va.toca.me.uk] has joined #t2 05:14 -!- mnemoc_ [~amery@200.75.27.15] has joined #t2 05:18 -!- keinek_ [~Keinek@201.254.15.45] has quit ["Abandonando"] 05:27 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.123] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:28 < ojh> Has anyone tested any Autopackages on T2 yet? 05:30 < mnemoc_> Autopackages? 05:31 < ojh> I have got some Autopackage software to install on ROCK 2.0 (have yet to try any on T2) 05:32 < mnemoc_> what do you understand by 'autopackage software'? 05:33 < ojh> http://autopackage.org/ - In case I assumed wrong about you knowing about the project. 05:35 < mnemoc_> i have never tried that, and i don't see it usefull at least for me... but try :) 05:36 < mnemoc_> the installer is beatiful anyway :) 05:37 < ojh> Perhaps the distributions (like T2) should make it a "feature" to do aggressive testing against the major AP based packages. To guaranty (to a reasonable extent) that Autopackage distributed application software will install. 05:41 < ojh> I am kind of considering a test suite of programs that represent a wide range of software people want to install using a distro neutral binary installer. Perhaps a big automated script that can be used by distro developers to get a sort of compatibility report. Most things that are problems are just missing *.so symlinks or compatibility libraries. 05:41 < mnemoc_> we have to worry about supporting ourselves before supporting every package distribution system some invent, but if you can do the research, you are welcome 05:42 < ojh> I was just fielding the idea for feedback. 05:43 < mnemoc_> :) 05:45 < ojh> But I do see that making compatibility testing with the major Autopackages an advertised **feature** of a distribution as an advantage to that distro. 05:45 < mnemoc_> personally i am to busy to reasearch anything, and i need to solve many^3 issue about package managment inside before seeing more features 05:46 < mnemoc_> you said you did it for ROCK 05:46 < mnemoc_> if it works on rok it should work here 05:47 < ojh> Yes, I can see that. The management details I am attempting to follow on the ML make my head hurt. You have your jobs cut out :) 05:47 < mnemoc_> we just afew deevelopers for a big goal 05:47 < mnemoc_> if you join us in this field you would get all our support 05:50 < ojh> And seem to be achieving it quite well. I find T2 quite comparable in terms of design, quality and range compared to the "big name" distros. 05:50 < ojh> And the package selection is getting to be quite large :) 05:51 < mnemoc_> we need to categorize that forest before it gets out of our few hands 05:52 < mnemoc_> current categorized are useless to do a target 05:52 < mnemoc_> categoriazration* 05:52 < mnemoc_> categorization* 05:52 < mnemoc_> aaa... :\ 05:52 < _Ragnar_> we need some 'broke in the current revision' flag ;D 05:53 < ojh> IC 05:54 < mnemoc_> _Ragnar_: trunk is not expected to be always stable, it's the devel branch, use it if you are brave :) 05:58 < ojh> The problem I am coming up with is that I lake to compile my programs to ROX AppDir packages and subtle compatibility issues are coming up between releases of T2. Most of the time I can fix the problem by adding a symlink for a requested .so file. This is what made me start thinking of a more formal binary compatibility test suite to make sure that each release maintains a high degree of application level binary compatibility. 05:59 < mnemoc_> after rc1 i'm doing as much as possible to keep compatibility on 2.1 tree 05:59 < mnemoc_> on beta-s there were to many changes 05:59 < mnemoc_> deep changes 06:01 < mnemoc_> we also need smarter dependencies, multi instances and something like apt-get 06:02 < mnemoc_> i would love to see an T2 fetcher looking like those AP screenshots 06:02 < mnemoc_> and of course able to udpate safely 06:02 < ojh> Its a rather large task that basically would involve many compiled binaries and generating reports based on the output of 'ldd'. Of course that may not catch subtle glitches that occur when libraries break binary compatibility slightly between minor versions. 06:03 < mnemoc_> but i really don't worry about intra-distro compatibility 06:07 < ojh> True, yet I can see the wider value of the tool I propose . . . if one distro can use it to maintain internal binary compatibility between versions then why not others use it to guage compatibility issues too? But that's not my main concern ether. I just want to be able to take my binary AppDirs with me when I upgrade :) 06:09 < mnemoc_> my job is to ensure that will happen on 2.1 06:10 < ojh> And I wish you the best on that. I am already pleased with the beta and the LiveCD rocks :-D 06:10 < mnemoc_> before rc1 nothing is warrantied :p 07:42 -!- _Lewelly1 is now known as lewellyn 08:02 -!- mipe [~mika@dsl10040.japo.fi] has joined #t2 08:36 -!- ojh [~omer@71-34-246-177.eugn.qwest.net] has left #t2 [] 09:09 < mnemoc_> *yawn* 09:17 < mnemoc_> rxr_: gnumeric 1.5.1 needs libgoffice 09:19 < mnemoc_> rxr_: wine (2005{04,05}.*) doesn' build with alsa 1.0.9 09:19 < mnemoc_> rxr_: and vlc has troubles with hal 09:20 < mnemoc_> rxr_: gscmxx installs at /share 09:20 < mnemoc_> rxr_: any help is welcomed.... but i wont update gnumeric anyway 09:23 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc_: does the current trunk build for you? 09:26 < mnemoc_> i doubt 09:26 < mnemoc_> but i haven't tried 09:27 < _Ragnar_> k 09:27 * _Ragnar_ notices a lot of brokenness there 09:27 < mnemoc_> what problem are you having? 09:27 < _Ragnar_> uhm dietlibc not building, a lot of kernel addons need to be disabled... 09:27 < mnemoc_> oh 09:28 < _Ragnar_> dietlibs seems to be cause of stackguard 09:28 < mnemoc_> try 2.1 :) 09:28 < _Ragnar_> :PPP 09:30 < mnemoc_> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/regressions.html <--- i have a 'few' tested merges ready for commit, but i have to solve a few issues before 09:30 < _Ragnar_> ok 09:31 < mnemoc_> i'll go to sleep.... cu _Ragnar_ 09:45 < CIA-9> amery * r9851 /branches/2.1/package/ (3 files in 2 dirs): * moved nautilus-media to attic, according to http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160254 they don't plan to adapt it 10:31 -!- veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 11:02 < rxr_> moin 11:03 -!- You're now known as rxr 11:04 < CIA-9> rene * r9852 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/gets.patch: * fixed my dietlibc/gets implementation 11:06 < CIA-9> rene * r9853 /trunk/package/base/minised/fixes.patch: * fixed minised - to be at least usable for the basics - more to fix ... 11:08 < CIA-9> msluis * r9854 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/mkinitrd: * made the old insmod optional in mkinitrd 11:12 < CIA-9> rene * r9855 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/ (initrdinit mkinitrd): 11:12 < CIA-9> * improved the mkinitrd to try to detect the rootfs type and thus 11:12 < CIA-9> avoid tons of "failed to mount with type xyz" error message that 11:12 < CIA-9> look rather unprofessional 11:12 < CIA-9> * added sed and disktype needed for the improvement 11:14 < rxr> valentin: I committed the pstream improvements ... 11:19 < valentin> moin 11:19 < valentin> rxr: that is better buffering ? 11:33 -!- tilix [~ilia@pppoe11.bol.bg] has joined #t2 11:44 < rxr> valentin: no - that is having nicer to use argument passing 11:46 < rxr> mipe: are you around? 11:49 < rxr> _Ragnar_: or are you awake? 12:01 < mipe> i'm here but off soon 12:02 < rxr> oh 12:02 < rxr> hi 12:02 < rxr> do you have some amd64 tarballs hany? 12:02 -!- veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has left #t2 [] 12:03 < rxr> I'm on a box and the binaries created have random problems ... 12:03 < rxr> would be nice to verify with your build output 12:05 < mipe> nope :( i cleaned it up(t2 part might be saved, atleast on backup disks) but i dont have access to it right now, need to setup it up back to normal, once my experiments have finished 12:07 < mipe> rxr: what problems you are experiencing? 12:07 < mipe> err problems i mena 12:08 < mipe> should have stayed in bed 12:08 * mipe is off,back soonish 12:15 -!- veki [~root@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 12:16 < veki> hi 12:16 < tilix> hi veki 12:17 < veki> I tried to build boot, rescue, install target, but I am prompted that failed build of package runit 12:19 < veki> return is: cannot stat /admin/runit-1.2.1/command/chpst no such file or directory 12:20 < SerWou> hello guys 12:20 < veki> hello 13:00 -!- lewellyn [lewellyn@lewellyn.silver.supporter.pdpc] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 13:16 -!- tilix [~ilia@pppoe11.bol.bg] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:22 -!- veki [~root@217.24.19.40] has quit ["leaving"] 14:25 < valentin> rxr: your postream modifications rock 14:27 < valentin> the only two things missing now are methods Terminate (int signalid=SIGTERM) and something to retain return code of the program 14:44 -!- azureus [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbcf42.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 14:45 < azureus> hi 16:14 -!- azureu [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbcf42.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 16:14 -!- azureus [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbcf42.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:26 -!- veki [~root@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 16:26 < veki> hi 16:30 < veki> mc 16:30 < veki> jsaw: are you somewhere around 16:42 < azureu> hi veki 16:43 < veki> hi 16:43 < veki> I wante to build boot, install rescue target but I am promted with erro that it cannot build package runit 16:44 < veki> when I entered into error log file I found that cannot stat /admin/runit-1.2.1/command/shpst no such file or directory 16:51 -!- CIA-9 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:51 -!- CIA-9 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has joined #t2 16:51 -!- azureu [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbcf42.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 16:53 < valentin> veki: how did you build that package ? with ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg or in a complete target build ? 16:56 < veki> in a compete target build 16:56 < valentin> can you tell from the logs what command failed with that error message ? 16:57 < valentin> btw, /admin is a stupid directory ... 16:58 < veki> OK, I will check it, just a second 17:00 < veki> it was copying commands to $altdir 17:01 < veki> actuallt cp cannot stat..... It seems to me that id did have problme with chpst directory 17:01 < veki> I put in Config that it should be optimized for Pentium 3 platform 17:02 < valentin> was the target directory created before ? 17:04 < veki> uhm, you ask did I make target directory before? 17:04 < veki> Did I understand you well? 17:06 < valentin> yes 17:06 < valentin> no 17:06 < valentin> :) 17:06 < valentin> not _you_ 17:06 < valentin> the Makefile of course 17:06 < valentin> just take a look if build/..../admin/runit-1.2.1/command exists 17:07 < veki> in error.log file? 17:07 < valentin> no :) 17:07 < valentin> in the t2 directory there is a subdir called build 17:08 < veki> OK 17:08 < valentin> within this subdir there is a subdir for each build you do. that dir contains the root fs of the build. 17:08 < veki> OK 17:09 < valentin> if you look inside, you'll find the target system inside, that is you will see all the toplevel dirs like /usr, /bin, /sbin and so on ... 17:09 < veki> I see all those directories except admin 17:11 < veki> there is /var/adm only but there i sno any admin directory 17:12 < valentin> well, a normal unix system is not supposed to have an admin subdir... 17:12 < veki> yes, but why runit complained? 17:12 < valentin> because it did not create this subdir 17:12 < valentin> and tried to copy files ther 17:12 < valentin> for whatever reason 17:13 < veki> uhm, so what I have to do in order to build target 17:14 < valentin> the maintainer of runit is mnemoc_, he should be able to tell you about that admin dir. for the moment just ignore that error and build on 17:14 < valentin> if i have some time tonight i could take a look myself 17:14 < veki> OK, I will wait mnemoc_to appear and ask for suggestion 17:15 < veki> OK? 17:16 < valentin> your wish, Sire... :) 17:24 -!- rxr_ [rene@e178159158.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 17:24 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc1 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 17:24 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Tue Jun 21 16:27:15 2005] 17:24 [Users #t2] 17:24 [ _Lewellyn] [ jsaw ] [ mtr_] [ rxr_ ] [ valentin] 17:24 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ mipe ] [ nzg ] [ SerWou ] [ veki ] 17:24 [ CIA-9 ] [ mnemoc_] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly] 17:24 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal] 17:24 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 17:24 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 10 secs 17:25 < veki> valentin: which CDplayer you propose for my minimal T2 17:25 < veki> note: I do nto want to have X, just plain CD player as it is cdp 17:36 -!- rxr [rene@e178155003.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:49 -!- CIA-9 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:53 < valentin> veki: ouhm 17:56 < valentin> cdda2wav | mplayer ,) 17:56 < valentin> no idea. 17:56 < valentin> i never hear cd's on my machine. i always listen to compressed music from disc 18:00 < veki> I started to emerge mplayer so we will see :-) 18:01 < valentin> mplayer can play cds ? 18:02 < valentin> i hope you did not take my proposal seriously :) 18:02 < valentin> btw, 18:02 < valentin> cdda2wav | aplay 18:02 < valentin> is a bit more minimalistic 18:10 < veki> OK, I will check 18:17 < valentin> veki: there are many cli cd players on the web. maybe you choose one and create a t2 package ? 18:17 < veki> I would like but I do not know how to do so 18:20 -!- veki [~root@217.24.19.40] has quit ["leaving"] 18:23 -!- veki [~root@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 18:36 < valentin> hi veki, still there ? 18:36 < valentin> creating packages is quite easy for sources that compile "as is" 18:37 -!- mtr [~Michael@p54AFAB9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 18:41 < veki> yes, I am here 18:41 < veki> hm, I know that it is possible to compile , but how to do that for t2 18:42 < valentin> take a look at ... for example package/scientific/graphviz/graphviz.desc 18:42 < veki> OK, I have to be out let say 20 minutes and I will be back 18:42 < valentin> just create a new package directory, copy that desc file and edit the fields 18:42 < valentin> ok 18:44 -!- mtr_ [~Michael@p54AF8804.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 18:46 -!- azureus [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc950.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 19:05 -!- mipe [~mika@dsl10040.japo.fi] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 19:33 < _Ragnar_> rxr_: hi 19:45 < azureus> hi ragnar 20:24 < veki> hi, I am back again 20:24 < valentin> hi veki 20:26 < veki> hi 20:27 < veki> please explain once again how to build pakage for t2 20:30 < valentin> how to build ? into your running t2 system use ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg 20:31 < valentin> to build a complete Target run ./scripts/Build-Target 20:31 < valentin> and ./scripts/Build-Target -job #stage- 20:31 < veki> no, I think how to build package that is not included in t2 20:32 < valentin> you just create a package: 20:32 < valentin> create a subdir in the package tree 20:32 < valentin> and write a .desc file 20:32 -!- azureus [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc950.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:32 < valentin> for example copy package/scientific/graphviz/graphviz.desc 20:33 < valentin> and replace the content of all fields 20:33 < valentin> you can keep the [P] field 20:33 < veki> ok 20:33 < veki> :-) 20:34 < valentin> if this is a cd player you could place it in package/audio/ 20:36 < valentin> if you need information about some of the tags, just ask or look into the handbook 20:36 < veki> ok 21:35 -!- ojh [~omer@67-42-181-123.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2 21:44 -!- veki [~root@217.24.19.40] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:50 -!- ojh [~omer@67-42-181-123.eugn.qwest.net] has left #t2 [] --- Log closed Mon Jun 27 00:00:00 2005