T2 IRC Log: 2005-06-23

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--- Log opened Thu Jun 23 00:00:00 2005
02:19 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.255.148.4] has joined #t2
02:19 < keinek> hi
02:29 < lewellyn> hoi
02:29 < mnemoc_> moin
02:29 < mnemoc_> i'll down wiki :\
02:29 < mnemoc_> without something to replace it with
02:30 < lewellyn> :(
02:32 < keinek> moin
02:32 < keinek> is like hi?
02:36 < mnemoc_> moin=good morning
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02:49 < mnemoc_> how can i change an interface to fullduplex?
02:53 < mnemoc_> ethtool
04:28 -!- mnemoc_ is now known as mnemoc
04:36 < keinek> i think that you need the the ethernet card's floppy disk
04:39 < mnemoc> why? what module is missing?
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05:52 < mnemoc> rxr, valentin: i want to change accept/drop/conduit rules to be apply just to the previously set ip
06:29 -!- bigmatt [~bigmatt@pool-71-108-203-227.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #t2
06:29 < bigmatt> hey umm what architecture is the binary cd built for?
06:31 < mnemoc> which one?
06:31 < bigmatt> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2/stable/2.1.0-rc1/t2-desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4_cd1.iso
06:31 < bigmatt> it says p4 at the end
06:31 < mnemoc> p4 :)
06:31 < bigmatt> hehe cool just what i needed :)
06:31 < mnemoc> :)
06:32 < mnemoc> we have a t2-desktop-pmmx and a t2-desktop-atholonxp pending
06:32 < bigmatt> I see
06:33 < bigmatt> so you're a developer?
06:34 < mnemoc> most of the people on this channel are developers
06:34 < _Ragnar_> wtf!!!!
06:34 < bigmatt> that's cool
06:34 < bigmatt> hah lol
06:34 < _Ragnar_> rxr: can we PLEASE write a backup of the config files on ./scripts/Config?
06:35 < bigmatt> so on the binary cds are all the packages available in T2 on them?
06:35 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: got self destructed?
06:35 < mnemoc> bigmatt: nope, just the packages selected for desktop target
06:35 < bigmatt> oh cool, also what i just needed :)
06:36 < mnemoc> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/ <-- packages list
06:38 < bigmatt> hmm i need to get off for the night i'll be in here tommorow i guess see you
06:38 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: Config is so fragile ... this is the 5th time already that it trashed my pkgsel list
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06:38 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: Config is recursive, adding backups is very hard to code
06:39 < _Ragnar_> ;p
06:39 < mnemoc> i have my config/-s on svn :)
06:40 < _Ragnar_> ;p
06:44 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: don't forget to add the issue when we get trac up
06:45 < _Ragnar_> ok
06:45 < valentin> short moin
06:45 < _Ragnar_> hey valentin
06:45 < mnemoc> hi valentin
06:46 < valentin> hi all
06:46 < valentin> mnemoc: reverted the wiki ?
06:46 < mnemoc> valentin: i changed rocknet at a client to use $ip on accept/drop/conduit
06:46 < mnemoc> valentin: i shuted it down
06:46 < mnemoc> valentin: no sense to keep it up
06:48 < mnemoc> valentin: i would like to commit that change into 2.2. mr. knetconf, please think about
06:50 < valentin> rxr is mister netconf :)
06:50 < valentin> mnemoc: how does that rule look like ?
06:50 < _Ragnar_> ;D
06:52 < valentin> mnemoc: i have to catch a train, so i will be gone in approx 3 minutes
06:55 < valentin> mnemoc: just commit that change in case the implementation is not too ugly
06:55 < valentin> and yes i am mr netconf, but rxr is mister rocknet
06:56 < valentin> cu in less than 48 h
06:57 < mnemoc> cu valentin
06:57 < mnemoc> good luck
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08:04 < SerWou> hello guys
08:55 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
08:56 < minto> hi all
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09:20 < morfoh> moin
10:22 -!- maddin [~martin@p54BDDBAF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
10:23 < maddin> moin #t2
10:54 < morfoh> hi maddin :)
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12:47 < azureus> hi @ all
12:49 < azureus> 19:30 < azureus> Is there no amd64 edition?
12:49 < azureus> 19:31 < sepp> no
12:49 < azureus> 19:31 < _Ragnar_> you can compile one tho
12:49 < azureus> 19:43 < azureus> How I can compile one?
12:51 < morfoh> azureus: http://dl.exactcode.de/t2-handbook/html/t2-handbookpa2.html#x72-131000II
12:53 < azureus> thanks
12:54 < morfoh> azureus: no problem
12:55 < azureus> Have i to code t2?
12:55 < morfoh> azureus: what do you mean ?
12:55 < morfoh> azureus: for building an own target distribution ?
12:56 < SerWou> hello morfoh ;)
12:56 < SerWou> and azureus
12:56 < azureus> no for compile it for amd64
12:56 < azureus> hi serWou
12:56 < morfoh> bonjour SerWou :)
12:57 < morfoh> azureus: no!
12:57 < SerWou> bonjour mon petit morfoh ;)
12:58 < morfoh> SerWou: tu est tres charmant ... :)
12:58 < SerWou> lol
12:58 < azureus> so what can I do to run it on an AMD Turino 64
12:59 < morfoh> do you have T2 installed yet ?
12:59 < morfoh> azureus: I mean ... do you have a linux installed on that box
13:01 < SerWou> azureus, what linux do you use ?
13:02 < morfoh> azureus: in a short sentence ... you will need a running linux installation for build you own T2 for AMD64
13:03 < azureus> I'm testing now 6 notebooks
13:03 < azureus> On one i wanted to install T2
13:04 < azureus> On this notebooks I havent installed T2 yet
13:04 < morfoh> then download an ISO i.e. t2-desktop and install it
13:04 < azureus> After trying to install slax and there were no problems
13:04 < azureus> I have downloaded the isos
13:06 < azureus> But i cant install it on the notebook
13:06 < morfoh> azureus: why ?
13:07 < azureus> he doesnt boot grub or I think it was called linun
13:07 < sepp> because the desktop iso is for p4 ;)
13:07 < azureus> Yesterday ssaid me one I have to compile it for AMD64
13:07 < morfoh> hi sepp :)
13:07 < azureus> hi seep
13:08 < sepp> huhu :)
13:08 < morfoh> azureus: then grab the pmmx iso
13:08 < azureus> I have tried it also
13:08 < morfoh> sepp: any news regarding the logo ? ;)
13:09 < azureus> with the mmx
13:09 < sepp> no
13:09 < azureus> I have only not installed the minimal version
13:10 < sepp> min. pmmx should work
13:10 < azureus> but it doesnt
13:11 < morfoh> azureus: what is the error ?
13:11 < azureus> oh I was to fast
13:12 < azureus> You wrote min. pmmx, mean this minimal pmmx?
13:13 < sepp> yes
13:13 < morfoh> azureus: I guess ... this means minimal-desktop target with pmmx optimization
13:14 < azureus> yes I know... But I have also downloaded the pmmx version and there is only one, isnt itß
13:15 < azureus> but i download it once again and burn it on cd
13:15 < sepp> t2-minimal-2.1.0-rc1-pmmx
13:16 < azureus> I think i have downloaded and installed it too
13:17 < azureus> When this doesnt work too, what I have to do then?`
13:17 < sepp> it should
13:18 < azureus> we will see
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14:05 < morfoh> hi veki
14:05 < veki> hi
14:06 < veki> I tried to compile Mnemosyne target from my minimal T2
14:06 < morfoh> veki: and ? didn't worked ?
14:06 < veki> It aborted to cpmpile library libowfat
14:07 < morfoh> oh!
14:07 < morfoh> did you selected libowfat ?
14:07 < sepp_> you should use 2.1
14:07 < veki> I stehre any log file so I can read it and infrom you on problem
14:08 < morfoh> hmmm ... I'm running several machines (mostly servers) here with mnemosyne based system
14:08 < veki> I downloaded it a couple of days ago, actually, 5 days ago
14:08 < morfoh> veki: from trunk ?
14:08 < veki> I downloaded it from ftp. gsmp.berlin.de I think
14:09 < morfoh> try to use t2 2.1-rc1 and try to build a mnemosyne target again ...
14:09 < morfoh> unfortunately I've to go now ... cu later folks
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14:09 < veki> OK, i will try
14:09 < veki> cu
14:10 < sepp_> http://dl.exactcode.de/t2/t2-2.1.0-rc1.tar.bz2 ;)
14:10 < veki> ok
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14:11 < veki> actually, it is minimal 5.1
14:11 < sepp_> what?
14:13 < veki> scripts that I use are exactly as you mentioned.
14:14 < veki> T2 is minimal (not desktop version) 5.1
14:14 < sepp_> i wonder what you mean with 5.1
14:17 < veki> should I try to compile again?
14:18 < sepp_> yes 2.1-rc1
14:19 < sepp_> you checked out trunk?
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14:37 < veki> Ah, it is possibly 2.1 sorry
14:49 < veki> I checked again Menmosyne with more wide section of packages and download is going right now.
14:49 < veki> I will try to build it again
14:50 < veki> I checked list of targets and I am interested to know more on embedded target
14:50 < sepp_> the 2.1 tarball ?
14:50 < veki> What kind of embedded target you offer
14:50 < veki> Yes, tarball
14:51 < veki> I know some engineers here who are very good in embedded systems
14:52 < veki> we will have very soon a conference on loaclaization here
14:52 < veki> i would liek to take that opportunity and to infrom the participants about my starting involvement in t2
14:52 < veki> Is that OK with you?
14:55 < sepp_> where aer you from?
15:14 < veki> sepp: you think on me?
15:15 < sepp_> yes
15:16 < veki> I am from Belgrade, Serbia and Montenegro
15:16 < veki> you?
15:16 < sepp_> dresden, germany
15:17 < veki> Oh, there was ecellent heatre in Dresden
15:24 < veki> I need some time in order to get used to t2 and I will be more helpful to you all.
15:45 < valentin> hi from arnhem !
15:46 < valentin> found an open accesspoint
15:47 < rxr> re
15:47 < rxr> hi
15:48 < veki> hi
15:52 < rxr> hi
15:52 < rxr> this public AP is quite nice ,-)
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16:07 < veki> I think that I do not have cdrecord package on my minimal T2
16:07 < veki> do you have it somewhere on mirrors?
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16:15 < sepp_> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -cfg yourconfig cdrecord
16:16 < sepp_> will download, compile and install cdrecord ;)
16:16 < sepp_> hello holland
16:39 < veki> I tried to build cfengine by Emerge-Pkg etc
16:39 < veki> and package is built
16:39 < veki> but when I tried to issue command
16:41 < veki> cfengine -f /etc/cfengine/cfengine.conf -v -n and I was prompted that command was not found
16:55 < veki> hm
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17:55 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc1 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
17:55 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Tue Jun 21 16:27:15 2005]
17:55 [Users #t2]
17:55 [ _Lewellyn] [ jsaw ] [ morfoh] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
17:55 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ lewellyn] [ mtr ] [ sepp ]
17:55 [ CIA-9 ] [ mnemoc ] [ nzg ] [ SerWou]
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17:55 < jeru> hehe
17:56 < mnemoc> hi jeru
17:56 < mnemoc> do we trac?
17:56 < jeru> yep ... atm I've some problems with my proxy which is in front of apache/trac
17:57 < mnemoc> pound?
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17:58 < jeru> yep
17:58 < jeru> it's a bit cumbersome using pound
17:58 -!- jeru is now known as morfoh
17:59 < morfoh> mnemoc: how can I enable some coloring in irssi ?
17:59 < morfoh> mnemoc: what do you think ... should I discard pound ?
18:00 < mnemoc> i have never used it
18:00 < mnemoc> but i like the idea of dedicated proxies instead of fat webservers doing the job
18:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... I like it too
18:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: I tested gatling in front of apache/trac but I've problems with gatling's regex matching and virtual hosts in apache
18:03 < morfoh> mnemoc: in fact ... I'd like to switch completely to gatling as frontend
18:05 < morfoh> mnemoc: I've configured an apache virtual host "trac.t2-project.0" and want to pass everything for this host to the apache backend
18:05 < mnemoc> :)
18:05 < mnemoc> did you use .0 before or you are copying me?
18:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: sorry ... for copying you ;)
18:06 < mnemoc> :)
18:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: I can change it easyy ... if you want
18:06 < morfoh> I just wanted to avoid some naming conflicts
18:07 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, this irssi seems to be a quite good choice
18:07 < mnemoc> irssi is the best choice always
18:08 < morfoh> mnemoc: thanks :)
18:08 < mnemoc> even more inside ssh+screen
18:09 < morfoh> mnemoc: where can I set my nickname statically in irssi ?
18:09 < mnemoc> /set
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18:15 < mnemoc> hi veki
18:15 < veki> hi
18:16 < veki> hi
18:16 < veki> I am compiling Mnemosyne target
18:16 < veki> I suppose that you are author due to similarity of your nick
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18:19 < mnemoc> yes :)
18:19 < mnemoc> but mnemosyne is a very weird target
18:19 < mnemoc> as his author
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18:19 < mnemoc> wb jeru
18:19 -!- jeru is now known as morfoh
18:20 < veki> wierd?
18:20 < veki> weird?
18:20 < veki> in which terms?
18:21 < mnemoc> runit instead of sysvinit, socklog instead of sysklog, no ifconfig, ...
18:22 < mnemoc> i'll add a 'shutdown' tool soon
18:23 < morfoh> veki: but runit is quite stable ... so I use it on some servers now and it behaves quite well ... :)
18:25 < morfoh> veki: and if you don't like socklog you can choose syslog-ng in mnemosyne
18:25 < mnemoc> :)
18:25 < veki> ok, I do nto have problems with that, I willcontact you if i will need any assisstance
18:25 < mnemoc> morfoh is no. 1 user of mnemosyne
18:26 < morfoh> mnemoc: holy sh*t ... :)
18:26 < morfoh> .oO( I'm a test rabbit )o
18:26 < mnemoc> yes
18:27 < veki> great
18:27 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, I've a lot of things for mnemosyne in working copy ... we haven't done not so many changes the last time
18:27 < morfoh> arrgg
18:27 < veki> I like things which look quite unusal but they are working. It i squestion of habit. If we are used to stability an dperfomrnace than we ar ready to change habits and use tools which are simply said better
18:28 < mnemoc> :)
18:28 < morfoh> :)
18:30 < morfoh> veki: I fully ack .... but you missed the security, you will gain while using simpler and smaller applications
18:30 < morfoh> ;)
18:30 < veki> :-)
18:31 < veki> Yes, this is very important issue
18:31 < morfoh> mnemoc: but what do I do with this gatling b*tch
18:32 < morfoh> gatling -d -v -O 127.0.0.1/8023/.*$
18:32 < morfoh> this works
18:32 < morfoh> it's passing all requests to the apache which listens on 8023
18:32 < veki> I have to go now, more soon
18:32 < veki> cu
18:32 < morfoh> cu veki
18:33 < veki> :-)
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18:34 < morfoh> mnemoc: but if I use gatling -d -v -O 127.0.0.1/8023/trac\.t2\-\project\.\0.*$
18:35 < morfoh> it doesn't work anymore
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18:39 < morfoh> 20:32 < morfoh> gatling -d -v -O 127.0.0.1/8023/.*$
18:39 < morfoh> 20:32 < morfoh> this works
18:39 < morfoh> 20:32 < morfoh> it's passing all requests to the apache which listens on 8023
18:39 < morfoh> ^mnemoc
18:39 < morfoh> 20:34 < morfoh> mnemoc: but if I use gatling -d -v -O 127.0.0.1/8023/trac\.t2\-\project\.\0.*$
18:39 < morfoh> 20:34 < morfoh> it doesn't work anymore
18:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: any ideas ?
18:40 < mnemoc> o_O
18:40 < morfoh> mnemoc: I've test several regexp but with no success
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18:44 < mnemoc> morfoh: ask fefe :(
18:46 < morfoh> mnemoc: writing an email to the list already
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18:49 < minto> hi all
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18:53 < morfoh> mnemoc: mail is out ... let's see
18:54 < morfoh> mnemoc: this gatling is too nice ... I wanna use it.
18:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: do you use some proxy on your production servers ?
18:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: or just a bare apache ...
18:56 < mnemoc> nothing yet
18:57 < mnemoc> i expect to get plone working to discuss different 'supported' mnemosyne-* subtargets
18:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: another option for trac would be to have the apache server listening on different port
18:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: but this isn't very elegant
18:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: and I want to have smart integration of trac
18:59 < mnemoc> step 1) get it working
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18:59 < mnemoc> step 2) get it working elengantly
18:59 < mnemoc> step 3) get it smartly integrated
18:59 < mnemoc> but we need trac and plone up asap
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19:00 < morfoh> mnemoc: okok ... I'll shut up now ... .oO( banning the word elegantly )o
19:00 < mnemoc> :)
19:01 < morfoh> .oO( it's hard )o
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19:16 < azu1> hi
19:16 < morfoh> hi azu1
19:36 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, we've to think about some policy regarding security patches like grsec ... I'd propose to concentrate on having them working in the stable branches/tags. mostly the security patches aren't for the latest kernel, and I consider patching sth. like grsec or rsbac to other kernel versions as harmfull. what do you think ?
19:37 < mnemoc> morfoh: i wont update a kernel until all it's extenders get updated
19:37 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack
19:38 < mnemoc> that would break extender package and that goes against the policy
19:38 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... of course
19:39 < mnemoc> morfoh: btw, my design for 'wide' accept modules to work as 'webmine'
19:39 < mnemoc> webmin*
19:40 < mnemoc> to edit /etc/conf/network for example
19:40 < morfoh> mnemoc: cool
19:40 < mnemoc> but we need plone and trac before playing with wide
19:40 < morfoh> mnemoc: small components
19:40 < morfoh> ack
19:40 < mnemoc> yes
19:40 < morfoh> en need trac for wide
19:40 < mnemoc> :)
19:41 < mnemoc> trac support can be a module for wide also
19:41 < morfoh> hehe ... of course ;)
19:42 < mnemoc> finish that damn thing! :\
19:42 < morfoh> yes ... SIR! :\
19:43 < azu1> how it will go on with the boards?
19:43 < mnemoc> href?
19:44 < azu1> ts.pc-help-city.de/eng
19:46 < mnemoc> i mean, if we will use that forums we can href them from www
19:47 < azu1> wof course you can go to the site on www.t2.pc-help-city.de/eng
19:47 < azu1> you can write "www", but you dont have to
19:48 < mnemoc> uhm
19:48 < mnemoc> i was talking about 'linking' it from _our_ www
19:48 < morfoh> azu1: I guess we prefer direct URL's from t2-project.org ....
19:48 < azu1> Or what do you wanted to say
19:48 < azu1> ok
19:48 < azu1> It would be a good start
19:49 < morfoh> azu1: look: www2 is running on my server ... and it's smartly integrated within the t2 project infrastructure ;)
19:50 < mnemoc> anyway, i find forums stupid ... but i know some people like them
19:50 < azu1> I would be happy if you would set a link
19:50 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack
19:51 < azu1> there are many people they only use boards
19:51 < azu1> You will see it ;-=
19:51 < morfoh> unfortunately it's to cumbersom to search forums ..
19:52 < azu1> will you set a ref?
19:53 < morfoh> I think having good documentation, mailing lists and an IRC channel is a good combination ... anyway
19:54 < azu1> but most or all Linux distri use boards
19:55 < morfoh> azu1: you forgot ... we're not a distro as you might think
19:55 < mnemoc> our target people is different than distributions... but i don't object to have forums
19:56 < azu1> I know, but I compares t2 with linux distri or oóther software
19:56 < mnemoc> a forum might be ok to support targets, like livecd
19:57 < azu1> Im only here in IRC, because t2 hasnt got a board, normaly I use the board for somethnig like this
19:57 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack ... a forum is mostly usefull for _user_ support
19:58 < mnemoc> azu1: that's you. do you use T2?
19:58 < azu1> yes
19:58 < mnemoc> good
19:59 < sepp> huhu :)
19:59 < azu1> hi sepp
19:59 < morfoh> hey sepp :)
19:59 < morfoh> nuguck :)
19:59 < sepp> nuguck?
19:59 < sepp> what does that mean?
20:00 < morfoh> sepp: nuguck
20:00 < azu1> You will see, if on the site will be a ref, I will have more then 100 useres in a month
20:00 < mnemoc> we need a site first. morfoh! :(
20:01 < azu1> yes I know, morfohr is writting some scripts
20:01 < mnemoc> sepp: do you have a theme idea for www considering your last logo proposals?
20:02 < mnemoc> some scripts?
20:02 < azu1> yes
20:02 < sepp> mnemoc: if i understood rene he does not like the building blocks idea for a logo
20:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... the parser I told you about
20:02 < mnemoc> sepp: :(
20:02 < mnemoc> morfoh: the inline .desc processor?
20:03 < morfoh> sepp: the problem is ... we'll need a logo which will look good in 2D and 3D
20:03 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... it's part of it
20:04 < mnemoc> morfoh: don't forget [DEP] from .cache and error state
20:04 < morfoh> mnemoc: I want to generate content from mostly from the Documentation directory
20:04 < mnemoc> ic
20:05 < mnemoc> morfoh: but don't forget we need to replace www with _something decent_ asap
20:05 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ...
20:05 < mnemoc> perfect integration comes with the time
20:06 < morfoh> i know
20:06 < morfoh> now
20:06 < morfoh> :)
20:06 < sepp> i see no reason why building blocks should not look good in 2d ...
20:06 < sepp> but maybe i find a other idea
20:06 < mnemoc> sepp: show them some 2d versions :)
20:06 < morfoh> them :)
20:07 < mnemoc> i _do_ like the happy blocks thing
20:09 < sepp> hmm in my presence filesystems does not last very long :((
20:09 < morfoh> mnemoc: what do you think about if we generate our first version of the web site content from ReST documents which will be stored in the Documentation dir and running a post commit script for running my python script which wil update the site ?
20:11 < mnemoc> ReST documents at Documents/ may go against grep/less friendly 'policy' but i do like the idea of having them at svn
20:12 < mnemoc> but we can move them from zoe to filesystem later, don't we?
20:12 < morfoh> mnemoc: and if we can generate html and txt ? ;)
20:12 < mnemoc> from a diferent svn tree, exporting to t2 tree is ok to me :)
20:12 < mnemoc> i have to go
20:13 < mnemoc> back in 1h
20:13 < mnemoc> cu
20:13 < morfoh> where do you go ?
20:13 < morfoh> cu :(
20:13 < mnemoc> kinder
20:13 < mnemoc> cu
20:13 < morfoh> ah :)
20:14 < morfoh> sepp: btw, the enlightenment logo is quite nice
20:14 < morfoh> sepp: looks godd both ways
20:15 < sepp> e17?
20:15 < morfoh> yep
20:15 < sepp> yes
20:16 < morfoh> i like it .. the logo and the concept behind e17 ;)
20:16 < sepp> what is the concept
20:16 < sepp> wait for hurd?
20:17 < morfoh> why hurd ?
20:17 < sepp> dont know, same speed to a final version
20:18 < morfoh> yes .... that's a bit lame
20:18 < morfoh> sepp: what wm do you use ?
20:19 < sepp> *box, fluxbox the last years
20:19 < sepp> because it has some xinelera support
20:20 < morfoh> sepp: yes ... flux is nice too ... ;)
20:21 < sepp> i am a amiga victim, dancing aliens on my screen make me nervous
20:25 < sepp> so how small should the 2d logo be?
20:25 < morfoh> small ?
20:25 < sepp> pixel
20:26 < morfoh> hmmm ... if we think about our website, I'd say 60x60 ?
20:27 < morfoh> at least 60-70px height
20:27 < morfoh> sepp: or what do you think ?
20:28 < sepp> ok, but then there will be no "t2 is a sde and you can do this and that" story in the logo
20:28 < morfoh> yes ... I think this isn't possible
20:28 < sepp> i think nothing ;)
20:29 < morfoh> good :)
20:44 < sepp> btw what does nuguck mean?
20:44 < morfoh> nun guckst du
20:45 < sepp> ahh that is berlin/turkish mixture?
20:45 < morfoh> nah :)
20:45 < morfoh> = guckst du ?
20:45 < morfoh> isch mach disch platt
20:46 * sepp too long in dresden
20:47 < morfoh> why too long ?
20:48 < sepp> because the language barrier you have here
20:48 < morfoh> barrier of what kind ?
20:49 < sepp> they do not speak german here ...
20:49 < morfoh> hehe :)
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20:57 < azureus> I have installed now the RC1 ;-)
21:02 < morfoh> azureus: good :)
21:02 < azureus> I think there was a problem with the partition
21:02 < azureus> the first time i had the same problem
21:02 < azureus> then I deleted all the partitions and create them again
21:02 < azureus> and then it works
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21:10 < lewellyn> hoi all
21:10 < lewellyn> woo :)
21:10 < lewellyn> 12:54 .:@idlerpg: _Lewellyn grew an extra leg! This wondrous godsend has accelerated
21:10 < lewellyn> them 2 days, 12:05:29 towards level 67.
21:10 < morfoh> hoi hoi lewellyn :)
21:13 < lewellyn> it was an eventful morning for me. i hit level 66 about 10 hours ago. (that gave me 57 days till next level up.) i've been winning all sorts of battles and now have 20 days left till level up.
21:13 < lewellyn> and all by idling!
21:14 < sepp> rpg?
21:15 < sepp> barriere one
21:15 < sepp> uhm whats this
21:15 < sepp> which one ...
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21:19 < azu1> But now he is asking me for a loginname
21:20 < morfoh> azureus: root ?
21:20 < morfoh> azureus: and the password you choosed while installing the system ?
21:21 < azu1> ok sry. i forgott it
21:21 < azu1> but to start KDE i have to write startx?
21:22 < morfoh> yes ... if you want to let it start automatically change the runlevel to 5
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21:28 < jsaw> re
21:28 < morfoh> hey jsaw :)
21:28 < jsaw> is embutils needed in stage 1?
21:28 < jsaw> hi morfoh
21:29 < morfoh> jsaw: it would be nice
21:29 < jsaw> hmmm, doesn't compile...
21:29 < jsaw> why in stage 1?
21:30 < morfoh> jsaw: embedded target
21:31 < azu1> but he dosent know this command
21:31 < jsaw> embedded target okay, but why is stage 5 not enough, do we need it to (cross)compile the target?
21:32 < morfoh> jsaw: I guess it's just nice to have atm ;)
21:32 < jsaw> does it compile for everybody else?
21:32 < morfoh> jsaw: no real need for it to compile in stage 1 now
21:33 < morfoh> jsaw: yes ... I build it some days ago
21:34 < jsaw> let's see what happens in stage 5 in a few hours...
21:34 < morfoh> jsaw: ok ;)
21:34 < jsaw> heading home, cu guys :)
21:34 < morfoh> cu
21:39 < lewellyn> be safe
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22:01 < madtux> hi
22:02 < morfoh> hi madtux ... how you doing ?
22:03 < madtux> good u?
22:04 < morfoh> madtux: I'm fine ... thanks
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22:04 < Postal> Hey all
22:04 < mnemoc> hi codetux
22:04 < morfoh> hi Postal
22:04 < mnemoc> hi Postal
22:05 < morfoh> hi mnemoc !
22:05 < morfoh> mnemoc: I guess I figured out the problem with pound ;)
22:05 < mnemoc> good
22:05 < Postal> does anyone know if the dietlibc problem about the internel compile error has been fixed yet?
22:06 < Postal> btw the livecd is very nice
22:06 < morfoh> Postal: there were a lot of dietlibc issues solved the last week
22:06 < Postal> ok, cause i guess it happened 4 or 5 days ago
22:06 < azu1> How can I start KDE?
22:07 < morfoh> Postal: but I don't know if your particular problem was solved too
22:07 < Postal> could not get past stage 1.. and my programing skills are well, wait what programming skills..
22:07 < morfoh> Postal: give it try please ;)
22:08 < Postal> morfoh, i lost the live cd so im dl it now its done in 10 min then ill get back to you asap
22:09 < sepp> hi madtux, Postal
22:09 < Postal> hi sepp
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22:25 < azureus> I was away
22:25 < azureus> hast anyone anserwed my question?
22:25 < mnemoc> what questron?
22:26 < azureus> how I can start Linux after login
22:26 < azureus> Ive tried it with startx
22:26 < azureus> like in the live iso
22:26 < azureus> but "command not found"
22:26 < sepp> azureus: minimal has no X or kde but you can build a t2 for your amd64
22:26 < sepp> http://t2-project.org/buildintro.html
22:26 < azureus> ....
22:27 < azureus> why isnt there a normal pmmx version?
22:27 < morfoh> azureus: perhaps you has misunderstood the term "minimal desktop"
22:27 < azureus> yes...:-(
22:28 < mnemoc> morfoh: are pmmx and athlonxp desktops finished?
22:28 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes
22:28 < mnemoc> morfoh: can you pass them to rene?
22:28 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes
22:28 < mnemoc> :D
22:28 < morfoh> :D
22:28 < mnemoc> will you?
22:29 < morfoh> yes
22:29 < mnemoc> soon?
22:29 < morfoh> yes
22:29 < mnemoc> great :)
22:30 < sepp> btw what is with the torrent idea?
22:30 < sepp> i mean it was not announced ...
22:31 < mnemoc> it seems rene wants to have it as gsmp
22:31 < sepp> ahh ok
22:31 < mnemoc> do you know how to change the announce on a .torrent?
22:32 < mnemoc> i would like to relocate it to port 80 on same meanful name
22:32 < mnemoc> torrent.t2-project.org for example
22:32 < sepp> no clue, sorry
22:32 < azureus> is this the version I could "normaly" install?
22:33 < mnemoc> azureus: minimal? yes
22:33 < azureus> not the minimal
22:33 < azureus> morfoh: are pmmx and athlonxp desktops finished?
22:33 < mnemoc> yes
22:33 < mnemoc> desktop is installable
22:33 < sepp> azureus: you could install the athlonxp version
22:33 < mnemoc> you have to download it first :p
22:34 < azureus> where?
22:34 < mnemoc> morfoh: can you seed it from there?
22:34 < azureus> If you want a torrent tracker i could make you ine
22:35 < azureus> *one
22:35 < mnemoc> we have one at t2.geeks.cl:6969
22:35 < mnemoc> azureus: do you know how to change the announce on a .torrent?
22:36 < azureus> i think yes :)
22:36 < mnemoc> i can change it to torrent.geeks.cl:80 but .t2-project.org is better.... rxr?
22:36 < azureus> for this a programms
22:37 < mnemoc> i have gui-less bittorrent, the python thing
22:37 < azureus> You can also do it with azuerus
22:38 < mnemoc> i wont install java cows here :)
22:38 < mnemoc> but if you can change .torrent and send it back....
22:38 < azureus> yes
22:38 < sepp> advanced/tracker/edit tracker url ?
22:39 < azureus> sent me a mail to admin@pc-help-city.de
22:39 < mnemoc> i have *gui-less* bittorrent, the python thing
22:39 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl:6969/ <--- they live here
22:39 < mnemoc> but i need to contact rene or th before renaming it
22:41 < mnemoc> btreannounce.py <--- nice
22:41 < mnemoc> that tool does it
22:41 < mnemoc> thanks azureus anyway :)
22:42 < azureus> np
22:42 < azureus> I go now to bed
22:42 < azureus> bye
22:44 < mnemoc> bye azureus
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23:00 < veki> hi
23:02 < madtux> yar
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23:28 < Postal> hey all
23:29 < veki> hi
23:30 < sparc-kly> SunOS unknown 5.9 Generic_112233-10 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-5_10
23:30 < sparc-kly> really sol9 sucks
23:31 < Postal> sparc-kly: sry mate
23:31 < Postal> ;-)
23:31 < madtux> sol* sucks
23:31 < Postal> lol
23:31 < Postal> what is sol?
23:32 < sepp> i guess at least cdrecord works there :)
23:32 < sepp> without zillion errors
23:32 < madtux> slowlaris
23:32 < Postal> lol
23:34 < Postal> sepp: so how many errors was that lol
23:34 < Postal> :)
23:35 < sepp> i really dont know, last time i used solaris - 4 years ago
23:36 < Postal> ic
23:36 < Postal> never used it
23:36 < Postal> am i missing anything?
23:37 < sparc-kly> i love blastwave.org / easy way for install apps :D
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23:38 < sepp> sure, even years ago seemed to be stone age
23:39 < Postal> lol
23:40 < Postal> the 2.4 kernel is in its 31 patch revision?
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23:52 < sepp> good night *
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