T2 IRC Log: 2005-06-21

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--- Log opened Tue Jun 21 00:00:00 2005
00:02 -!- azu1 [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbcf61.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
00:10 < CIA-12> sebastian * r9791 /trunk/package/gnome2/gaim/gaim.desc: * updated gaim (1.3.0 -> 1.3.1)
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00:37 < sepp> good night *
00:37 < lewellyn> sleep well
00:39 < sepp> thanks
00:45 < lewellyn> rxr: you there?
00:46 -!- morfoh|away [~jeru@p54BFF91B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)]
00:56 < valentin> will sleep now, too
00:59 < lewellyn> sleep well, too :)
00:59 < _Ragnar_> O_O
00:59 < _Ragnar_> libpcap fails, too? O_O
01:12 < _Ragnar_> hmmm
01:12 < jsaw> anybody else having problems with ftp.kernel.org?
01:13 < _Ragnar_> is it just me that has so many packages failing on embedded?
01:41 < _Ragnar_> hmpfl
01:41 < _Ragnar_> ...
01:41 * _Ragnar_ wants to build embedded with glibc :p
01:56 < mnemoc> rehi
01:56 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: bloated embedded?
02:09 < _Ragnar_> well what use is an embedded router without tcpdump?
02:09 < _Ragnar_> ;p
02:10 < _Ragnar_> or libpcap?
02:16 < mnemoc> i have to finish my work on target inheritance
02:17 < _Ragnar_> :) ok
02:18 < mnemoc> so you can do your own ragnar-embedded which clonning code :)
02:20 < mnemoc> without*
02:24 < _Ragnar_> :)
02:27 < mnemoc> rxr: chilean maid??
02:37 < jsaw> g'night
02:39 < mnemoc> gn8 jsaw
02:53 < lewellyn> sleep well jsaw
04:35 -!- madtux [~mike@65.182.14.29] has joined #t2
04:35 < madtux> hello.
04:38 < mnemoc> hi madtux
04:38 < madtux> hola
05:16 < mnemoc> 1677 builds total, 1655 completed fine, 21 with errors. <--- less bad
05:21 -!- ojh [~omer@71-34-254-16.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2
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06:48 < rxr> re
06:48 < rxr> mnemoc: as I wrote scroll back - it was the channels idea
06:50 < rxr> mnemoc: you did not reply ?
07:18 < rxr> mnemoc: awake ?
07:21 < mnemoc> rxr: hi
07:23 < rxr> ah hi ,-)
07:24 < rxr> what code name do you prefer?
07:25 < rxr> any other complains regarding the mail ?
07:27 < mnemoc> no, no complains
07:27 < mnemoc> what did you mean with 'chilean maid'?
07:27 < rxr> I? it was not my idea ...
07:27 < mnemoc> .oO
07:27 < rxr> honor your wife enduring you working so hard?
07:27 < rxr> no idea ...
07:28 < rxr> I proposed "plastic mags & magazines" - but just because it sounds cool ,-)
07:28 < mnemoc> :)
07:28 < rxr> mnemoc: any other comment?
07:29 < rxr> should I announce the bittorrent?
07:29 < rxr> or wait until we have it on gsmp and torrent.t2-project.org ?
07:29 < mnemoc> i didn't see anything about the 'stability' police we will follow, etc...
07:30 < mnemoc> my head will blow
07:30 < mnemoc> uhm.... here it is
07:30 < mnemoc> that part was hidding
07:32 < mnemoc> torrent...
07:32 < mnemoc> remember you need a tcp range to share files from gsmp bw
07:33 < mnemoc> sharing files is more important than the tracker
07:33 < mnemoc> i have no problem with keeping the tracker if you can do both things at univ.
07:34 < mnemoc> who proposed 'chilean maid'?
07:34 < rxr> mnemoc: there is no way I can get anything but port ftp, ssh, http and https ...
07:34 < rxr> morpho I think
07:34 < _Ragnar_> O_O
07:34 < mnemoc> to my third world mind and paranoia that sounds despective
07:35 < _Ragnar_> oh btw .... how do I get rid of this skas patch?
07:35 < _Ragnar_> O_O
07:35 < rxr> _Ragnar_: disable uml_utilities
07:36 < madtux> .o0( mnemoc workaholic )
07:36 < madtux> hey rxr
07:36 < rxr> mnemoc: what did you mean with "to my third world mind and paranoia that sounds despective"
07:36 < rxr> hi madtux
07:36 < mnemoc> madtux: :)
07:37 < _Ragnar_> thanks rxr ;)
07:39 < mnemoc> rxr: that means, i don't know how first world people takes ' maid', but to me sounds like looking to someone 'inferior'
07:39 < mnemoc> people use 'peruvian maid', etc... in that way here
07:40 < mnemoc> and on peru a 'chilean maid' is a prostitute :\
07:41 < rxr> .oO
07:41 < rxr> it was definetly in no way intended this way ...
07:41 < mnemoc> i know!
07:41 < rxr> let's just use s.th. else than
07:42 < mnemoc> don't you i have been ofended or anything like that
07:42 < rxr> the only real code name I have in petto is for the finak, and hopefully perfect, live release
07:42 < mnemoc> it was just weird to read it as code name
07:42 < rxr> 2403714 Jun 21 07:40 t2-2.1.0-rc1.tar.bz2
07:42 < rxr> our releases get bigger and bigger, right?
07:42 < rxr> t2-2.1.0-beta4.tar.bz2 13-Apr-2005 20:48 2.1M
07:43 < mnemoc> 2.7G t2-download/2.1.0-beta3
07:43 < mnemoc> 3.7G t2-download/2.1.0-beta4
07:44 < mnemoc> 4.0G t2-download/2.1.0-rc1
07:44 < mnemoc> 5.4G t2-download/T2-current
07:44 < mnemoc> that last one is a mess, just ignore
07:44 < mnemoc> 8.0G t2-download
07:45 < rxr> what about "Do' something" or "so hot" as code name ?
07:45 < rxr> or "Unreachable" ;-) ?
07:45 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
07:46 < mnemoc> :-)
07:46 < rxr> hey - why not "Summer sunshine" ?
07:46 < mnemoc> :)
07:47 < rxr> so, summer sunshine ?
07:47 < mnemoc> i like it
07:48 < mnemoc> i'll go to bed.... my head is going to blow up
07:48 < mnemoc> rxr: thanks :)
07:48 < rxr> ok - and I release ?
07:48 < mnemoc> as usual :p
07:49 < rxr> ok - sleep well
07:49 < mnemoc> i'll try
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07:50 < mnemoc> ok... gn8 rxr, _Ragnar_, madtux
07:50 < mnemoc> happy summer sunshine
07:54 -!- _Lewellyn [rostroca@lewellyn.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #t2
08:02 < rxr> announcement send out
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08:30 < rxr> Search Keyphrases (Top 10)
08:30 < rxr> 2: t2 tea 17 0.5 %
08:30 < rxr> ? t2 tea ???
08:30 < rxr> haha: http://www.t2-project.org/packages/tea.html
08:31 < rxr> http://www.shoppingsecrets.com/melbourne/fitzroy/t2/index.shtml
08:32 < rxr> _Ragnar_: I now know why I do not get the outside basedir files you get
08:32 < rxr> modern T2 systems have module-init-tools and modutils linked statically against dietlibc for use in the initramfs
08:33 < _Ragnar_> why?
08:33 < rxr> unfortunatly the fl_wrapper does only work for dynamically linked executables ,-)
08:33 < _Ragnar_> yes I fell over that, too;p
08:33 < _Ragnar_> ouch
08:33 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
08:33 < _Ragnar_> uhm:)
08:33 < rxr> I think we should rethink how to track file mods in teh future
08:34 < _Ragnar_> yea
08:34 < _Ragnar_> btw I tried to trace that error with strace ... but that wouldn't work either, would always go to a kinda frozen state with most procs as T, but no way to wake them up again
08:35 < rxr> hm
08:47 -!- azu1 [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc3da.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2
08:52 < azu1> hello
08:58 < rxr> moin azu1
09:01 < rxr> azu1: we released 2.1.0-rc1
09:01 < rxr> see the list
09:01 < rxr> I already submitted news to freshmeat and symlink.ch
09:01 < rxr> == 06/21/05 09:01:09 =[9]=> Finished building package r.
09:06 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
09:07 < minto> hi all
09:08 < rxr> moin minto
09:08 < minto> hi rxr, I still have to arrange you some accommodation.
09:12 < rxr> what do you intend? If you have some guests-room or so I think it would be very fine ...
09:14 < minto> Unfortunately I do not have any spare rooms. But there is a budget hotel near.
09:25 < rxr> hm - CIA-12 is again missing it seems
09:26 < _Ragnar_> nini folks
09:27 < rxr> cu _Ragnar_
09:35 < azu1> rxr : sry. I was away. Super
09:36 < azu1> Have I to write a press information or have we do wait until the final will be realesed
09:37 < rxr> I think waiting for the -final makes sense
09:39 < azu1> ok, but maybe we can write something in our new board
09:40 < rxr> Until August 2005, our Non Commercial customers will continue to get Intel(R) Compilers version 8.1. After that, they will be able to access and download our latest Intel Compilers version 9.0.
09:40 < rxr> oh
09:41 < azu1> our is the rc1 until "intern"
09:41 < rxr> ?
09:41 < azu1> our is the rc1 only "intern"
09:42 < rxr> no - it is not for intern use only
09:42 < azu1> ok
09:43 < azu1> so maybe wew can write something about it in the Board
09:44 < rxr> azu1: though I think the boards/forum are a good idea, you will not see me too much in it
09:44 < rxr> I have a job to do, do a lot to t2 and already do much PR and article writing
09:44 < rxr> I have no time for whatever other activity
09:45 -!- veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2
09:45 < azu1> I can also write an articel
09:45 < rxr> sure
09:45 < rxr> hi veki
09:45 < azu1> ho veki
09:45 < rxr> azu1: you are on the t2 list and saw the release announcement ?
09:45 < azu1> It was a general question
09:46 < azu1> yes
09:48 < azu1> I could also copy the english text from the website
09:48 < azu1> cant I?
09:49 < rxr> sure
09:49 < azu1> :) Then I have only to write an german articel
09:52 < veki> hi
09:53 < valentin> re
09:54 < azu1> hi valentin
09:55 < rxr> moin valentin
09:55 < veki> I finished compilation of minimal router target
09:56 < veki> :-)
09:56 < veki> Did anyone test its performance?
09:56 < valentin> rxr: the commit statistic in your release email is 2.1 branch only, right ?
09:57 < rxr> the router target is one of the older ones - not too often used these days
09:57 < valentin> veki: i wonder how many ppl actually use this target :/
09:57 < rxr> valentin: of course
09:57 < veki> OK, we will see and that is teh way how we can test it is the target good. I will try
09:57 < valentin> good. just curios why my commits were missing. but i never commited into 2.1 directly
09:58 < rxr> I think we should drop pre-releases in teh future
09:58 < rxr> do the development (we will not have too big breaking changes in the future - aside u/dev transition) and release what we have on the date
09:58 < rxr> as openbsd does
09:59 < rxr> if s.th. needs fixing release a .x thereafter (as openbsd does not seem to do - seems CVS is in use for post release changes / fixes)
10:01 < veki> which target you prefer for testing?
10:01 < rxr> massive flood of "devfs: Remove ..." mails on linux kernel
10:01 < rxr> veki: for tiny work we use embedded these days
10:02 < rxr> I think it should include router related stuff already and cross compile complete and uses uclibc or dietlibc - way smaller
10:02 < azu1> I added the news
10:02 < veki> OK, if anyone does have old sitting-in-the-corner PC which may become router, may that person use T2 minimal router target
10:03 < rxr> veki: the router target always was a demo - I think never really used
10:03 < rxr> veki: In my opinion the embedded target is the way to go
10:03 < rxr> but your milage may differ
10:04 < veki> I agree, but I think on possible small NGO or small enterprise
10:05 < veki> I would like to build target which a couple of users can test so we can sy that t2 is really working in action
10:12 < rxr> embedded can be user as router
10:13 < rxr> it si just small and only includes the needed stuff
10:13 < rxr> it si just more modern that router and complete cross builds and even builds magnitudes faster due to the cross build everything with no rebuile in the sandbox as done in the aging router test target
10:20 < valentin> azu1: url ?
10:23 < rxr> guess at this board url
10:23 < valentin> which is ?
10:26 < rxr> http://t2.pc-help-city.de/
10:26 < rxr> ^- gives forbidden ...
10:26 < rxr> let my grep my logs
10:27 < rxr> http://t2.pc-help-city.de/eng/
10:27 < rxr> no idea about the german one then ...
10:27 < azu1> t2.pc-help-city.de/ger
10:28 < rxr> would be normal convertions and international codes be /en /de ? ...
10:29 < azu1> why not the english codes? eng/ger/ and so on
10:29 < azu1> but i will make a site on t2.pc-help-city.de
10:30 < rxr> well - it is your forum - as you wish ,-)
10:30 < azu1> there you can choose German English French and so on
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10:34 < azu1> Its not my board, its our board
10:36 < azu1> I have only made the board, but it is for us and not for me
10:36 < rxr> oh - i c you start to get a community feeling
10:36 < rxr> valentin: do you do livecd related work today?
10:37 < valentin> i think i will. did you create a repository yet ?
10:37 < azu1> ;-)
10:37 < rxr> no - i can right now
10:37 < veki> I have to go now, I will be back later:-)
10:37 < veki> cu
10:38 < azu1> ciao
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10:39 < valentin> damn - i ruined my fstab ...
10:40 < rxr> ?
10:41 < valentin> killed this file by accident
10:41 < valentin> wanted to overwrite mtab and typed to fast
10:42 < valentin> do i need usbfs in it ?
10:43 < rxr> maybe
10:43 < rxr> I think with you using rockplug it is mounted automatically
10:43 < rxr> by rockplug
10:47 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/internal-t2-targets/
10:47 < rxr> your usual pass
10:47 < rxr> empty right now
10:48 < valentin> thx
10:51 < azu1> http://www.pc-help-city.de/admin/Scannen.jpg
10:53 < azu1> Is that correct?
10:53 < rxr> ?
10:55 < rxr> http://distrowatch.com/
10:55 < azu1> why "?" ?
10:55 < azu1> good
10:55 < rxr> azu1: I wants a password from me - and I do not know what you want to know about the jpg I can not see ...
10:56 < valentin> azu1: you need a password
10:56 < azu1> oh
10:56 < azu1> mom
10:57 < valentin> this stupid mksquashfs is sensitve to argument order
10:58 < rxr> valentin: if some more of the news show up on the sites your server migth get hit today ...
10:58 < azu1> "User Forums --" cann you change this?
11:00 < azu1> http://www.pc-help-city.de/Scannen.jpg
11:02 < rxr> valentin: yes - the arg parse is touchy ... minimal at best ...
11:02 < rxr> it wants source destination first
11:02 < rxr> azu1: ehrm? do you want me / us to check your flow chart ?
11:03 < azu1> yes
11:06 < valentin> you have to do this for school ?
11:07 < rxr> http://freshmeat.net/
11:07 < azu1> no its only for me
11:07 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0506/38749.html
11:08 < valentin> why do you have to if(zahl1 == 0) zahl1 = 0 ?
11:09 < rxr> valentin: what are you bets, will heise.de or osnews.com take the news ... ? :-(
11:09 < valentin> not good :/
11:09 < valentin> heise ignores our campains for years now
11:10 < rxr> yeah ...
11:10 < rxr> and osnews.com recently wrote me that they publish major vendor news one ...
11:12 < valentin> azu: maybe you tell us first what this program should do and the meaning of your action remarks (e.g "zahl1 merken" ?)
11:13 < rxr> ehrm - I do not want to be too rude, but this is better discussed on some programming beginner newsgroup or mailing list
11:13 < rxr> somewhere where people actually want to review those ...
11:14 < valentin> btw azu1: your calculator is missing a "C/CE" function to reset
11:14 < rxr> so - let's contineu the livecd code to build the real livecd image in one go from the t2 source
11:15 < valentin> hm squashing on my ibook seems to take long
11:15 < azu1> It should be a pocket calculator
11:16 < valentin> so you should reset zahl1 and zahl2 after output of ergebnis ?
11:16 < rxr> valentin: for the recent live-cd it takes 20 minutes on my Athlon XP 2500+
11:16 < azu1> ok
11:18 < valentin> well it seems to be almost finished
11:18 < rxr> "Windows OneCare" .oO
11:18 < azu1> :)
11:23 < valentin> rxr: it is finished and it took 20 minutes
11:23 < valentin> 25 even
11:23 < valentin> so my 900 Mhz iBook is almost as fast as your Athlon XP ???
11:24 < rxr> maybe ,-)
11:24 < rxr> for this kind of compression task
11:24 < valentin> wow we found a benchmark where ppc actually rocks
11:24 < rxr> btw. on my iBook every i/o related is slow due to the aging 2,5" disk ...
11:25 < rxr> yeah - should take squashfs into openbench ,-)
11:25 < valentin> :)
11:35 < rxr> hm Eugenia runs one of her osnews.com is my private blog storries on osnews.com - guess this will not make the t2 pass thru ...
11:35 < rxr> http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=10923
11:37 < valentin> haha
11:37 < valentin> only news of relevancy ?
11:38 < rxr> yeah - OS X is what matters
11:41 * rxr shortly away
11:43 < valentin> well, it is not OS X but "i am to stupid to configure my panther"
11:44 < rxr> well - it is more like "tiger lack major bluetooth functionality and is hard to setup"
12:10 < rxr> hm
12:11 < sepp> hello
12:11 < azu1> gi sepp
12:12 < sepp> hi azu1
12:13 < rxr> hm - I have the feeling the moir? pattern on my LCD is caused by too seperated R G an B components
12:15 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/new/imgp0224.jpg
12:15 < rxr> ^- right
12:15 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/new/imgp0225.jpg
12:15 < rxr> ^- left
12:16 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/new/imgp0228.jpg
12:16 < rxr> ^- iBok
12:16 < rxr> +o
12:16 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
12:16 < minto> Hi
12:18 < rxr> hi
12:18 < azu1> hi minto
12:19 < valentin> moin minto
12:22 < minto> Hi valentin, how is Kirsten doing?
12:22 < valentin> Kerstin, she is fine. thank you
12:22 < valentin> how is your fam ?
12:23 < minto> Nice, must be exciting these last few weeks.
12:23 < minto> My family is fine, my son (Merlyn) is sleeping right now.
12:23 < valentin> quite exiciting, sometimes i get nervous now
12:23 * rxr finally and quickly out for lunch ingredients
12:24 < minto> Valentin: No need to get nervous. Billions have done it before.
12:25 < valentin> :)
12:26 < valentin> we prepare for everything that needs to be done before. besides that, i try enjoy my last days of freedom *g*
12:27 < minto> It depends on how you lived before, but having children is not that bad.
12:27 < minto> At least for me it wasn't
12:27 < valentin> minto: i believe it will be not that bad, otherwise kerstin would not have been pregnant now
12:28 < minto> :-)
12:29 < minto> I hope you'll get a sleeper (like we did). Otherwise, no decent sleep for quite a while.
12:29 < minto> for you, that is.
12:29 < minto> and Kirsten, ofcourse
12:29 < valentin> not that i am missunderstood - i am very much looking forward to the birth of our daughter. but till this point i just enjoy my freedom (e.g. in choosing sleep cycles)
12:30 < valentin> hm, a sleeper ... :)
12:30 < minto> I guessed so, never heard an undecent work regarding your firstborn :-)
12:31 < minto> Have you and K picked a name already?
12:31 < valentin> yep
12:31 < valentin> but it is a secret
12:32 < minto> In time I will find out anyway. :-D
12:33 < valentin> i will tell you when she arrived
12:34 < minto> You'll probably have picked a beautifull name. I wouldn't expect otherwise with both parents having beautifull names.
12:35 < valentin> :)
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12:52 < rxr> re
12:59 < valentin> hm, no k3b on the livecd ?
13:00 < rxr> might have forgotten to insert it ...
13:02 < valentin> back in some minutes
13:04 < minto> rxr: Do you prefer a hotel downtown amsterdam or close to me.
13:04 < minto> downtown makes it easier to have a look at amsterdam.
13:05 < rxr> minto: ehrm - aha - well, you know amsterdam choose something reasonable and not too expensive, please ,-)
13:06 < minto> Okay, what I will do is two nights close and 2 nights downtown.
13:07 < rxr> ,-)
13:12 -!- morfoh [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2
13:12 < morfoh> hi all
13:12 < minto> hi morfoh :-)
13:12 < morfoh> hi TOUR operator ;)
13:14 < rxr> in rock's submaster there are many updates - all already in t2
13:14 < rxr> i wonder if someone did some version diffinng between t2 and rock
13:18 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/data//2005/05/1910110517838.patch
13:18 < rxr> ^- haha - look at the I and T tags
13:21 -!- azureus [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc3da.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2
13:23 < rxr> azureus: you are pushing too hard - don't you notice we are not interested in correcting your excercises and requests what to do - and constant private querries? I'll not hand out my list of PR contacts to someone that just joined a few days ago and whom I can not judge are his next steps ...
13:24 < rxr> azureus: start using T2, figure out if it is for you and contribute what is useful for you - then we can speak about PR contacts and pushing news somewhere
13:24 < rxr> how do you want to push news if you do not know too much of the product / project ...
13:25 * rxr back to work ...
13:26 < minto> rxr: I think I found you a nice downtown hotel. Unfortunately the shower is down the hall. Do you mind?
13:26 < minto> http://www.hoteliers.nl/amsterdam/art-gallery-hotel/en
13:29 < rxr> minto: btw. how good is the public transport in amsterdam?
13:29 < minto> very good, why
13:30 < rxr> minto: to get from the downtown hotel to you without car and such ... ,-)
13:30 < rxr> minto: photos of the hotel look good ,-)
13:31 < minto> Don't worry, I can pick you up somewhere.
13:33 < minto> Most downtown hotels are fully booked in the weekend. That is why I am gonna book you a budget hotel almost around the corner for the first two nights. We can move you downtown once they are free.
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13:37 < azureus> rxr: I will try it more calmly . I'm currently downloading the RC1
13:38 < morfoh> rxr: ./scripts/Emerge seems to have a problem ...
13:38 < morfoh> checking libprelude ... New version (0.9.0-rc6 -> 0.9.0-rc8). Added.
13:38 < morfoh> this looks ok
13:38 < morfoh> but it first installed rc8 and tried rc7 afterwards
13:39 < rxr> morfoh: first c8 and then rc7 ? in one Emerge ?
13:39 < morfoh> yes
13:39 < morfoh> I tried an update from rc6 to rc8
13:40 < rxr> where did it got tc7 from ?
13:40 < morfoh> let me see
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13:49 < rxr> == 13:47:17 =[9]=> Building x11/sunbird [0.2 2.2.0-alpha].
14:11 < rxr> I miss CIA-12
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14:41 < veki> hi
14:42 < veki> I am compiling boot rescue target right now
14:42 < veki> minimal router target compiled on machine of CPU 450MHz for less than 36 hours :-)
14:42 < veki> I know that desktop will last a coiple of days :-)
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14:57 < sepp> hi *
14:58 < azureus> hi
14:58 < morfoh> hi sepp :)
14:58 < sepp> http://home.arcor.de/sebastian.czech/t2/bk.tif
14:58 < sepp> only a idea ...
14:58 < sepp> hi morfoh, azureus
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16:11 < rxr> re
16:11 < morfoh> wb rxr
16:18 < rxr> hm - I'm off again - tring to exchange the TFT i brougth yesterday - it has strange moir? paterns on the left side when you refocus your eye
16:18 < rxr> very strange
16:18 < rxr> never saw this before with other TFTs and it doen't have this issue on the right side ...
16:18 < rxr> model is: LG FLATRON L1915SV - for reference
16:22 < rxr> cu :-(
16:24 < mnemoc_> moin
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16:27 -!- mnemoc changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | 2.1.0-rc1 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
16:33 < morfoh> hi mnemoc
16:33 < mnemoc> hi morfoh
16:33 < morfoh> how you doing today ... tired old man ? ;)
16:34 < mnemoc> tired and old :)
16:34 < morfoh> rxr: where should we enable the generation of .pyc files ?
16:34 < mnemoc> and you?
16:35 < morfoh> hmmm ... quite tired and quite old ;)
16:36 < morfoh> mnemoc: or perhaps do you know an answer ... how can we enable the generation of .pyc files from installed .py files while building a package
16:37 < mnemoc> afaik python does that when you run it
16:37 < mnemoc> #python ?
16:37 < mnemoc> how to compile .py without running it :p
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17:20 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc1 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
17:20 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Tue Jun 21 16:27:15 2005]
17:20 [Users #t2]
17:20 [ _Lewellyn] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ nzg ] [ sepp ] [ valentin]
17:20 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ lewellyn] [ morfoh] [ rxr ] [ SerWou ]
17:20 [ CIA-12 ] [ mipe ] [ mtr ] [ rxr_] [ sparc-kly]
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17:20 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
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17:40 < azu1> re
17:43 < rxr_> rehi
17:44 < rxr_> hm - the new tft is not too much better - just constant ...
17:44 < rxr_> maybe I should just not look too closely to it ...
17:44 -!- You're now known as rxr
17:45 < rxr> morfoh: mnemoc: not #python - we can take a look ourself as well - since many packages do this during their installation ...
17:45 < rxr> package/www/mozilla/mozilla.conf: line 72: 7966 Segmentation fault (core d
17:45 < rxr> umped) LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. ./regchrome
17:45 < rxr> uh - oh
17:45 < _Ragnar_> make: *** No rule to make target `/export/t2-trunk/build/router-2.2.0-alpha-x86-generic/lib/modules/2.6.12-dist/build/Rules.make'. Stop.
17:45 < _Ragnar_> Due to previous errors, no 1-linux26.log file!
17:46 < _Ragnar_> ..
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17:53 < rxr> It apppears that Contois Music Technology is suing Apple Computer over the UI to its iTunes music software.
17:53 < rxr> ^- those big tel and com companies are just to stupid ...
17:54 < morfoh> == 17:53:04 =[9]=> Building develop/docutils [0.3.7 ]. <-- where is the version info ???
17:57 < mnemoc> butuhm
17:57 < mnemoc> uhm
17:57 < mnemoc> sdever at scripts/parse-config
17:58 < rxr> ?
17:58 < rxr> [V] 0.3.9
17:58 < rxr> "[V] 0.3.9 "
17:59 < rxr> -^
18:01 < morfoh> rxr: 2.1 branch
18:50 < morfoh> hmmm ... CIA not active
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19:17 < morfoh> ok ... I'll leave now ... cu later
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19:22 < azureus> I have got an problem with the install of rhe RC1
19:23 < azureus> after the installation he wants to un-mount all and reboot
19:27 < sepp> this is the problem?
19:30 < azureus> yes
19:30 < azureus> I have to try it again
19:30 < sepp> why it is the last step
19:31 < sepp> what is wrong with umount and reboot?
19:31 < azureus> Isnt this wrong?
19:31 < sepp> no
19:31 < azureus> after he reboots he dosent start T2
19:32 < sepp> you have to setup grub
19:32 < valentin> did you setup a bootloader ?
19:32 < sepp> in stone
19:32 < azureus> I have done it
19:32 < valentin> did you create a device map before ?
19:32 < azureus> I have installed Grub
19:32 < sepp> 1,2,3 in the grub menu?
19:33 < azureus> hmm im not sure
19:33 < azureus> I try it again and asked you again when he has load the cd 1 and 2
19:34 < valentin> azureus: does a grup menu show up on boot ?
19:34 < valentin> or no bootloader at all ?
19:35 < azureus> he does not boot grup
19:36 < azureus> he boots nothings
19:36 < sepp> if you have the livecd you can use this grus shell to boot from hd
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19:39 < azureus> I have delete the live cd
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20:22 < rxr> cu later
20:23 < mnemoc> cu rxr
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20:25 < azu1> I have try it again
20:25 < azu1> But i have the same problem again
20:27 < azu1> I dont know why
20:29 < sepp> you
20:30 < sepp> installed grub in the mbr?
20:30 < azu1> yes
20:30 < sepp> hd0 ?
20:30 < azu1> yes
20:30 < sepp> and no sign of grub when you boot?
20:30 < azu1> no
20:31 < sepp> what else happens?
20:31 < azu1> nothing happens
20:32 < azu1> he doesnt boot anything
20:33 < azu1> Maybe i have to delete all partitions?
20:33 < sepp> are you sure it tries to boot from hd?
20:33 < azu1> yes
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20:34 < azu1> i have installed now slax
20:34 < minto> Hi all
20:34 < azu1> no problems
20:34 < azu1> hi minto
20:34 < azu1> this is why I think he boot from the hd
20:35 < sepp> ok
20:35 < sepp> hi minto
20:37 < azu1> this is the same notebook where he has got problems with the live-cd
20:38 < sepp> no clue, maybe lilo works
20:38 < minto> hi sepp, nice image. Maybe add something like: T2 - Put your own Distro together.
20:40 < mnemoc> what image?
20:40 < sepp> it is only to test a new idea, you we like the idea at all
20:40 < sepp> http://home.arcor.de/sebastian.czech/t2/bk.tif
20:41 < sepp> if we like the idea*
20:41 < minto> http://home.arcor.de/sebastian.czech/t2/bk.tif
20:41 < minto> It was from sepp, wasn't it?
20:41 < sepp> yes
20:42 < minto> Ohh, I should learn to read before responding.
20:42 < azu1> ok I try to install lilo
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20:45 < jaques> bonjour
20:46 < sepp> hi jaques
20:46 < jaques> salut sepp
21:01 < azu1> hi japques
21:03 < jaques> bonsoir azu1
21:08 < rxr> re
21:09 < rxr> welcome jaques
21:09 < jaques> bonsoir rxr
21:27 < SerWou> bonsoir
21:29 < jaques> SerWou: bonsoir
21:31 < SerWou> il y a du français dans la place ? ;)
21:32 < mnemoc> ahora yo me pongo a hablar en castellano entonces?
21:33 < SerWou> no senior mnemoc
21:33 < SerWou> no todos el mundo habla espanol
21:34 < mnemoc> :)
21:34 < SerWou> de donde estas ?
21:34 < SerWou> man, my spanish sucks ;)
21:35 < valentin> hi mnemoc, btw
21:35 < mnemoc> hi valentin
21:35 < mnemoc> SerWou: 'from where are you ?' ??
21:36 < SerWou> yes, where do you live ?
21:37 < mnemoc> 'donde vives?' :)
21:37 < mnemoc> chile, rancagua.
21:37 < SerWou> done vives ;)
21:37 < SerWou> with the reversed ?
21:38 < mnemoc> ¿donde vives?, yes
21:38 < SerWou> yess
21:38 < SerWou> i don't have it on my keyboard
21:39 < mnemoc> i do
21:44 < azu1> I have try it again, but it also does not start linu
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22:19 < sepp> http://home.arcor.de/sebastian.czech/t2/t2-building_blocks.png
22:20 < sepp> ^ very rough representation of a new logo idea
22:21 < azureus1> looks good
22:21 < jaques> sepp: the blocks are a good idea but the SDE on top is a bit strange
22:22 < mnemoc> yes
22:22 < sepp> jaques: as i said very rough
22:22 < sepp> only to test if we like it ...
22:22 < mnemoc> i like it
22:22 < mnemoc> great concept
22:26 * valentin too
22:27 < valentin> quite heavy lightning above
22:28 * mnemoc imagines t2 website on green and yellow :)
22:29 < sepp> oh i made this 5 minute graphic to show the main idea - nothing more ;)
22:30 < mnemoc> i like, also the colors
22:30 < mnemoc> +it
22:30 < sepp> and to get feedback if it is ok
22:31 < jaques> sepp: this green yellow combination conflicts a bit with your eyefriendly thinkings of a web site ;)
22:32 < sepp> argh yes it is not the final version just a fast made mockup
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22:32 < jaques> sepp: okokok ... coooool down :)
22:32 < sepp> :)
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22:38 < sepp> i had a wood building blocks kit as child, painted in signal colours :)
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22:40 < jaques> sepp: now I know why it was shining green and yellow :)
22:40 < mnemoc> :)
22:40 -!- jaques is now known as morfoh
22:46 < mnemoc> :)
22:47 < morfoh> :)
22:48 < sepp> :)
22:49 < morfoh> :)
22:49 < mnemoc> :)
22:49 < sepp> :)
22:49 < morfoh> sepp: you missed
22:49 < morfoh> or no I missed
22:50 < morfoh> or what ?
22:50 < morfoh> :D
22:50 < sepp> *lol*
22:50 < morfoh> oh ... now I remember .. .oO( there was a beer in my fridge )o
22:51 < morfoh> we should use this "smiling t2 laolo" as logo
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22:54 < SerWou> hello bacl
22:54 < morfoh> wb SerWou
22:57 < rxr> re
22:59 < mnemoc> re rxr
23:01 < morfoh> hi rxr
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23:06 < SerWou> ok
23:06 < SerWou> fixed ;)
23:06 < SerWou> # [] | {} @
23:06 < SerWou> ;)
23:06 < morfoh> SerWou: it ws the option? right ?
23:07 < SerWou> no
23:07 < morfoh> what then ?
23:07 * rxr bed - cu
23:07 < SerWou> that "#modmap .xmodmaprc &" in my .xinitrc
23:07 < SerWou> see you rxr
23:07 < SerWou> i don't know what is it
23:09 < morfoh> sleep well rxr
23:11 < SerWou> gonna sleep too
23:11 < SerWou> see you guys
23:12 < morfoh> cu SerWou
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