--- Log opened Sun Jun 19 00:00:00 2005 00:07 < valentin> cu rxr 00:07 < valentin> hi lewellyn 00:09 < mnemoc> rxr: and rc1? :'( 00:09 < lewellyn> valentin: just popped in for a minute. going now. :( 00:10 < valentin> farewell lewellyn 00:10 < valentin> mnemoc: i want to know, too 00:11 < mnemoc> valentin: we were just waiting to have .iso-s on an announceable place 00:12 < mnemoc> valentin: and yesterday he said today..... :\ 00:12 < valentin> so he started a new cms ? 00:13 < mnemoc> who? 00:13 < valentin> the morfoh 00:13 < mnemoc> no idea... i haven't seen him 00:49 < sepp_> good night all 01:24 < mnemoc> gn8 sepp_ 01:26 < valentin> gn8 all 01:27 < mnemoc> gn8 valentin 01:27 < valentin> happy hacking mnemoc 01:27 < valentin> cu 01:48 < mnemoc> :) 03:06 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-206-176.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:27 -!- ojh [~omer@71-34-252-132.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2 04:53 < mnemoc> hi ojh 04:53 < ojh> Hi. 04:55 < ojh> Not to start any wars (asking about another distro) but has any one tried Gobo Linux? It seems to be built around an application-directory like concept with a set of wrapper scripts to the package build process. 04:55 < ojh> Any comparisons to ROCK/T2? 04:59 < ojh> mnemoc: I have not got Zero Install to build yet. LazyFS compiles but the module gives a symbol not found error. I'll need to try updating the LazyFS package or something. 05:00 < mnemoc> never heard of Gobo Linux before 05:01 < mnemoc> sounds like yet another customizable distro 05:01 < ojh> mnemoc: I also found I need to make some updates to the dbus package, the Python bindings are built at present. Not sure about the other bindings. I need to fix that before the ROX DE and Zero Install system will be able to function fully. 05:01 -!- azureus [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc9c4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 05:02 < mnemoc> i thought wae had the last dbus 05:02 < ojh> mnemoc: GOBO is a lot more then that . . . they have abolished /usr /lib /bin . . . and so on. see: http://gobolinux.org/index.php?lang=en_US&page=doc/articles/clueless 05:03 < mnemoc> djb did something similar about 10 years ago 05:03 < ojh> mnemoc: Yes, it is the latest dbus but the scripting language bindings are not being built currently. 05:05 < ojh> mnemoc: I think that they are optional switches that need to be specified when running the ./configure for dbus. 05:06 < mnemoc> ojh: send a patch for trunk/dbus to enable those scripts 05:06 < ojh> mnemoc: I need to review the build instructions for dbus, but that would make it depend on any languages that bindings are generated for. So it might end up depending on Python, Mono . . . etc. 05:07 < mnemoc> uhm 05:07 < mnemoc> pkginstall foo && var_append extraconfopt ' ' '--enable-fooo-support' is the usual hack 05:07 < mnemoc> my link is blinking a lot 05:08 < ojh> OK. 05:09 < ojh> mnemoc: Oh, by the way the latest Live CD works flawlessly on both my desktop and laptop computers. 05:10 < ojh> Good work :) 05:10 < mnemoc> :) 05:46 -!- Netsplit tolkien.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: CIA-1, valentin, jsaw, SerWou, lewellyn, _Ragnar_, nzg, mtr, ojh, _Lewellyn, (+2 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 05:48 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ojh, sepp_, mnemoc, mtr, _Lewellyn, SerWou, nzg, valentin, _Ragnar_, jsaw 05:48 -!- Netsplit over, joins: CIA-1, lewellyn 05:49 < ojh> mnemoc: I will. 05:49 < mnemoc> :) 05:54 < ojh> mnemoc: I still think that T2 is the best foundation for my project - it'll just be a bit more work to get the Zero Install and ROX DE stack operating smoothly . . . 05:55 < mnemoc> good 05:56 < mnemoc> our goal is that you can do your project only worring in the real issues of what makes your project different than the others 06:00 < ojh> :) 07:38 -!- ojh [~omer@71-34-252-132.eugn.qwest.net] has left #t2 [] 07:59 < rxr> re 07:59 < mnemoc> hi rxr 07:59 < rxr> moin mnemoc 08:54 < rxr> mnemoc: I should announce -rc1 today ? 09:00 < mnemoc> rxr: if we can share .iso-s, yes, sure 09:01 < mnemoc> rxr: any news about jeru's iso-s? 09:02 < mnemoc> i have my rc2-pre1 reference build finished 09:02 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/regressions.html 09:03 < rxr> mnemoc: no - no new feedback 09:03 < rxr> mnemoc: but he said he urgently needs to finish finding a new flat 09:03 < mnemoc> rxr: oh 09:04 < rxr> 28 fails - how many new ? 09:04 < mnemoc> 28-17=11 09:04 < mnemoc> some are due to topdir 09:05 < mnemoc> some cascade 09:05 < rxr> ok - I explicitly look into those 09:05 < rxr> today 09:05 < mnemoc> thanks 09:05 < rxr> first I need to write a 2.6.12 news for golem - and then the day is T2 day ,-) 09:05 < rxr> tough I first update linux in t2 ... ,-) 09:05 < mnemoc> :D 09:05 < rxr> svn rm package/base/linux24/15-install-in-boot.patch 09:05 < rxr> any objections ? 09:06 < rxr> this is for manual rebuild only - and I never in my life did a make install in a linux tree anyway 09:06 < rxr> I think we should not patch this - and the patch does not apply to 2.6.12 anymoree 09:06 < mnemoc> why? 09:06 < rxr> though I could easily fix that ... 09:06 < mnemoc> who installs on /boot, make install or linux24.conf? 09:07 < rxr> linux24.conf does (as I always did in the past) install manually - using cp and such 09:07 < rxr> the patch is for manually make install's anyway 09:07 < mnemoc> svn rm in that case i think 09:07 < rxr> the build system does not rely on that patch 09:08 < mnemoc> uhm 09:09 < mnemoc> .... 09:09 < mnemoc> considering we don't support hand-made kernels i think we can remove it 09:10 < mnemoc> btw, if you fix something i merge locally the revisions and re-test before commiting 09:11 < rxr> even if we would explicitly make hand building more easy I think it is very bad behaviour to teach people to do make install - when on every other dist this ends up with files in /root ... 09:12 < mnemoc> svn rm it :) 09:12 < rxr> ok - athlon and ppc linux26 Emerge running 09:12 < rxr> though I need to look if there is an updated skas patch ... 09:12 < rxr> I disabled it for now - since I don't use it ... 09:13 < mnemoc> pkgsel: O uml-utilities 09:14 < rxr> vi config/default/packages - so I get reminded that I need to fix s.th. on the next build ,-) 09:14 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 09:14 < mnemoc> :) 09:14 < minto> Hi mnemoc 09:14 < minto> Hi * 09:14 < mnemoc> hi mi* 09:15 < minto> You're up late 09:15 < mnemoc> i'll go to sleep now 09:15 < minto> sleep well then 09:15 < rxr> minto: I answer you mail soon - of course I would appreciate to come over ,-) 09:16 < minto> rxr: Very nice 09:16 < rxr> mnemoc: good n8 and greet your family ,-)! 09:16 < CIA-1> amery * r9740 /trunk/package/gnome2/evince/evince.desc: * repriorized evince after poppler 09:17 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr, minto 09:17 < mnemoc> greetings to susan 09:18 < mnemoc> n8 09:43 -!- azureus [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc961.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 09:43 < azureus> Good morning 09:43 < minto> hi azureus 09:43 < azureus> hi minto 09:53 < azureus> I must restart now :( 09:55 < CIA-1> susan * r9741 /trunk/package/gnome2/hotapplet/hotapplet.desc: * added url to hotapplet 09:58 < CIA-1> susan * r9742 /trunk/package/gnome2/ggv/ggv.desc: * updated ggv (2.8.4 -> 2.8.5) 10:01 < CIA-1> susan * r9743 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnocl/gnocl.desc: * updated gnocl (0.5.18 -> 0.9.90) 10:01 < CIA-1> susan * r9744 /trunk/package/gnome2/gok/gok.desc: * updated gok (1.0.3 -> 1.0.5) 10:02 < CIA-1> susan * r9745 /trunk/package/gnome2/evince/evince.desc: * updated evince (0.3.0 -> 0.3.1) 10:03 < CIA-1> susan * r9746 /trunk/package/gnome2/seahorse/seahorse.desc: * updated seahorse (0.7.7 -> 0.7.8) 10:03 < CIA-1> susan * r9747 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-mag/gnome-mag.desc: * updated gnome-mag (0.12.0 -> 0.12.1) 10:04 < CIA-1> susan * r9748 /trunk/package/gnome2/pygtk/pygtk.desc: * updated pygtk (2.6.1 -> 2.6.2) 10:04 -!- azureus [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc961.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 10:04 < CIA-1> susan * r9749 /trunk/package/gnome2/gthumb/gthumb.desc: * updated gthumb (2.6.3 -> 2.6.5) 10:05 < CIA-1> susan * r9750 /trunk/package/gnome2/gail/gail.desc: * updated gail (1.8.3 -> 1.8.4) 10:05 < CIA-1> susan * r9751 /trunk/package/gnome2/netspeed_applet/netspeed_applet.desc: * updated netspeed_applet (0.12 -> 0.12.1) 10:05 < CIA-1> susan * r9752 /trunk/package/gnome2/bluefish/bluefish.desc: * updated bluefish (1.0 -> 1.0.1) 10:05 < CIA-1> susan * r9753 /trunk/package/gnome2/gedit/gedit.desc: * updated gedit (2.10.1 -> 2.10.3) 10:05 < CIA-1> susan * r9754 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-media/gnome-media.desc: * updated gnome-media (2.10.1 -> 2.10.2) 10:06 < CIA-1> susan * r9755 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgnomedb/libgnomedb.desc: * updated libgnomedb (1.3.1 -> 1.3.3) 10:06 < CIA-1> susan * r9756 /trunk/package/gnome2/gkrellm/gkrellm.desc: * updated gkrellm (2.2.5 -> 2.2.7) 10:06 < CIA-1> susan * r9757 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgda/libgda.desc: * updated libgda (1.3.1 -> 1.3.3) 10:07 < CIA-1> susan * r9758 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnet1/gnet1.desc: * updated gnet1 (1.3.0 -> 1.3.2) 10:07 < CIA-1> susan * r9759 /trunk/package/gnome2/glib/glib.desc: * updated glib (2.6.4 -> 2.6.5) 10:07 < CIA-1> susan * r9760 /trunk/package/gnome2/gmime/gmime.desc: * updated gmime (2.1.14 -> 2.1.15) 10:07 < CIA-1> susan * r9761 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-volume-manager/gnome-volume-manager.desc: * updated gnome-volume-manager (1.2.1 -> 1.2.2) 10:08 < CIA-1> susan * r9762 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-python-extras/gnome-python-extras.desc: * updated gnome-python-extras (2.10.1 -> 2.10.2) 10:12 -!- azureus [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc961.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 10:12 < azureus> re 10:14 < rxr> /usr/src/t2-trunk/src.linux26.1119164641.21603.a8c02d02/ipw2100-1.0.5/ieee80211. 10:14 < rxr> h:647: error: redefinition of 'is_multicast_ether_addr' 10:15 < azureus> Was morfohr here? 10:18 < rxr> I did nto see him 10:24 < azureus> :( 10:29 -!- ilia [~ilia@pppoe11.bol.bg] has joined #t2 10:29 -!- ilia is now known as tilix 10:30 < tilix> rxr: hi 10:30 < azureus> hi tilix 10:31 < tilix> is it possible to compile the Network Config app without T2? 10:32 < tilix> if I just do "make" I got an error 10:33 < tilix> kvtree.cc:79: error: `assert' undeclared (first use this function) 10:41 < rxr> tilix: yes - netconf should compile without T2 - but it does use the rocknet^t2net low-level network config infrastructure 10:41 < tilix> so what else do I need? 10:41 < rxr> tilix: I guess assert is not in the include chain - but somewhere else on your system 10:42 < rxr> well - the rocknet - err - t2net ,-) modulees are included in the serveral T2 packages such as iptables and wireless-tools and such 10:42 < rxr> the base is in sysfiles 10:43 < tilix> usr/share/gnulib/modules/assert 10:43 < rxr> it is not such an easy job to inject this network config into an foreign distribution 10:43 < tilix> is it this? 10:43 < rxr> no 10:43 < rxr> try to add #include to the top of the non-compiling file 10:44 < tilix> ok 10:44 < rxr> is that the first / only failure in that file ? 10:44 -!- azureus1 [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc961.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 10:44 < tilix> good. compilation continued 10:45 < tilix> same with line_factory.cc 10:45 < tilix> I`ll add it there, too 10:45 < rxr> ok - please report any file you need to add it .. 10:45 < rxr> what system is that ? 10:45 < tilix> Debian 10:45 < rxr> hm 10:45 -!- veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 10:45 < tilix> network_config.cc:175: error: `uint32_t' undeclared (first use this function) 10:46 < rxr> inttypes.h 10:46 < rxr> #include ,-) 10:47 < rxr> seems with recent packages in T2 those files already get included thru some other system header 10:47 < tilix> hmm, kaboutdata.h missing. But I have kdelibs4-dev 10:48 < tilix> file:///usr/include/kde/kaboutdata.h 10:49 < rxr> /var/adm/flists/kdelibs:kdelibs: opt/kde3/include/kaboutdata.h 10:49 < tilix> in Debian, kde is under /usr 10:50 < tilix> /usr/include/kde/kaboutdata.h:22:24: qvaluelist.h: No such file or directory 10:50 < rxr> hm - second ... 10:50 -!- azureus [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc961.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 10:50 < rxr> the makefile includes opt/kde hardcoding ... 10:50 < rxr> tilix: please revert your modification regarding kaboutdata.h 10:50 < rxr> tilix: did you checkout using svn ? 10:50 < rxr> checkout netconf that is 10:51 < tilix> from t2-source 10:51 < tilix> which makefile? 10:52 < tilix> i found it 10:52 < rxr> tilix: could you please checkout netconf using SVN? 10:52 < rxr> I 'll fix it in the svn tree than to make sure the next version will build fine 10:53 < tilix> ok 10:55 < rxr> ok - the includes should be fixed in netconf :HEAD 10:55 < tilix> How to checkout only netconf? 10:55 < tilix> thanks 10:55 < rxr> I'll quickly finish my linxu 2.6.12 news and then look into getting the Makefile use the correct kde-config or so helper to dynamically use the correct pathes 10:56 < rxr> svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/netconf/trunk netconf-trunk 10:56 < rxr> should do --typos 10:58 < valentin> moin 10:58 < tilix> main.cc:1:24: kaboutdata.h: No such file or directory 10:58 < tilix> rxr: it compiled fine until this 10:58 < SerWou> hello guys 10:59 < valentin> hi tilix, SerWou, rxr 10:59 < tilix> hi valentin 11:01 < rxr> moin valentin 11:02 < rxr> tilix: I fix the gui Makefile as soon as my news is out 11:04 < valentin> tilix : which distribution do you use ? 11:04 < valentin> * are you using ? 11:05 < tilix> Debian 11:06 < valentin> and you have the t2 version of rocknet on that box ? 11:07 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:07 < valentin> tilix: there is no ./configure script for netconf yet, all paths are hardcoded 11:07 < valentin> which is no problem as long as you use a recent t2 installation ,) 11:08 < tilix> valentin: no 11:09 < rxr> valentin: I already wrote that netconf does use the ROCK ^W T2 Net for the low-level work 11:09 < rxr> my impression was the he wants to test / look at it nontheless 11:09 < rxr> and I consider it a good thing (tm) to update thy Makefile to use kde-config or so to u 11:09 < rxr> obtain the kde install pathes 11:09 < rxr> even on T2 you can install kde whereever you want too 11:09 < rxr> (even into /usr if someone feels mad enough to do so ) 11:10 < tilix> Debian doesn`t like /opt :) 11:10 < rxr> well - most people do not like a overfull /usr ... 11:10 < rxr> and if Debian would be consequent they would have kde in /usr/X11 ... 11:11 < rxr> that is at least where the BSDs put at least GNOME - maybe KDE as well (at least if they are consequent ...) 11:11 < rxr> tough I saw a FreeBSD install where GNOME was in /usr/X11 and KDE in /usr/local ... 11:11 < tilix> even Open Office is in usr/lib/openoffice 11:11 < _Ragnar_> opt makes so much more sense 11:11 < rxr> no idea if that mad choice is a debian poilcy 11:12 < rxr> FreeBSD that is ... 11:12 < tilix> rxr: in PCBSD, many things are in /usr, even home 11:13 < rxr> home ? 11:13 < rxr> you mean the users home ? 11:13 < tilix> yep 11:13 < rxr> oh my god .... 11:14 < tilix> usr/home/tilix 11:14 * rxr holds his eyes ... 11:14 < rxr> convers ... 11:15 < rxr> == 06/19/05 10:48:53 =[9]=> Finished building package linux26. 11:15 < rxr> ^- exlcuding the skas3 patch ... 11:15 < _Ragnar_> O_O 11:15 < _Ragnar_> without files out of basedir? O_O 11:15 < CIA-1> rene * r9763 /trunk/package/base/linux26/ (15-install-in-boot.patch linux26.desc): * updated linux26 (2.6.11.12 -> 2.6.12) 11:17 < CIA-1> rene * r9764 /trunk/package/network/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 11:17 < CIA-1> * fixed ipw2*00 for linux 2.6.12 and marked them x86 and x86-64 only 11:17 < CIA-1> to save compile time on the arches where the drivers are unneeded 11:17 < CIA-1> anyway 11:17 < rxr> rxr: in system build 11:17 < rxr> I can take a look into your outside as well 11:17 < _Ragnar_> kewl :) 11:18 < rxr> what target config did you use - and does it happen for 2.4 and 2.6 or only for one of them ? 11:19 < CIA-1> rene * r9765 /trunk/package/base/linux24/15-install-in-boot.patch: 11:19 < CIA-1> * removed the make install linux patch from 2.4 as well as just removed 11:19 < CIA-1> from 2.6 where it did not apply anymore. We also do not need this 11:19 < CIA-1> properitaty patch at all. 11:19 < _Ragnar_> generic and embedded 11:31 < rxr> even with embedded? 11:32 < rxr> in which kernel ? only 2.4 ? 11:32 < rxr> in trunk ? 11:35 < _Ragnar_> trunk 11:35 < _Ragnar_> and 2.6 11:35 < _Ragnar_> dunno about 2.4 11:44 < rxr> ok 11:46 < rxr> oh 11:46 < rxr> /home/rene/develop/t2-trunk/src.linux26.1119165275.5502.263c0a8/unionfs-1.0.12a/ 11:46 < rxr> file.c: In function `unionfs_readdir': 11:46 < rxr> /home/rene/develop/t2-trunk/src.linux26.1119165275.5502.263c0a8/unionfs-1.0.12a/ 11:46 < rxr> file.c:578: error: unrecognizable insn: 11:46 < rxr> (insn:HI 372 369 375 22 (set (mem:QI (subreg:SI (reg:DI 177) 4) [0 S1 A8]) 11:46 < rxr> (subreg:QI (reg:DI 177) 7)) -1 (nil) 11:46 < rxr> (expr_list:REG_EQUAL (const_int 0 [0x0]) 11:46 < rxr> (nil))) 11:46 < rxr> /home/rene/develop/t2-trunk/src.linux26.1119165275.5502.263c0a8/unionfs-1.0.12a/ 11:46 < rxr> file.c:578: internal compiler error: in extract_insn, at recog.c:2083 11:46 < rxr> linux 2.6 on powerpc 11:48 < _Ragnar_> O_O 11:48 < _Ragnar_> uh huh 11:48 < _Ragnar_> don't get that error 11:48 < rxr> are you on powerpc ? 11:48 < _Ragnar_> no:) 11:55 < _Ragnar_> so you don't get this error? O_O 11:59 < _Ragnar_> hmmm 2.6.12 fails with a failed patch 11:59 < rxr> skas3 ? 11:59 < _Ragnar_> yes 12:00 < rxr> yes - this remains to be update 12:02 < _Ragnar_> ah 12:05 < rxr> tilix: still here ? 12:07 < _Ragnar_> how do I turn that off? 12:07 < rxr> disable uml_utils 12:07 < rxr> but I can fix it in some minutes 12:08 < rxr> tilix: netconf qt/kde usage might now build on Debian - if you could test 12:09 < tilix> yep 12:09 < _Ragnar_> ah ok 12:09 < _Ragnar_> well I need to get to bed 12:09 < tilix> building now 12:09 < _Ragnar_> 3am here 12:10 < tilix> /usr/include/kde/kaboutdata.h:22:24: qvaluelist.h: No such file or directory 12:10 < tilix> usr/include/qt3/qvaluelist.h 12:11 < rxr> let me guess usr/include/qt ? 12:11 < tilix> yep 12:12 < rxr> svn up and retry ,-) 12:13 < tilix> no 12:13 < tilix> the same 12:16 < rxr> hm 12:16 < rxr> no idea then ,-)( 12:16 < rxr> try make Q= 12:16 < rxr> and see how g++ is invoken and what is wrong ,-) 12:17 < tilix> -I/include -I/include/qt 12:18 < tilix> should be: 12:18 < tilix> -I/include -I/include/qt3 12:18 < rxr> ouhm ... 12:18 < rxr> ok - up and go ,-) 12:19 < _Ragnar_> nini 12:19 < tilix> -I/include -I/include/qt3 12:19 < rxr> n8 _Ragnar_ 12:19 < tilix> shouldn`t be: 12:19 < tilix> -I/usr/include -I/usr/include/qt3 12:19 < tilix> like -I/usr/include/kde 12:19 < rxr> then your QTDIR is not set .. 12:20 < rxr> or is it QT3DIR on your system ? 12:20 < tilix> hmm 12:21 < rxr> echo $QTDIR $QT3DIR 12:21 < rxr> set | grep QT 12:21 < tilix> good. building now :) 12:21 < rxr> what did you change ? 12:21 < tilix> after export QTDIR=/usr 12:22 < rxr> what does set | grep QT tell you ? 12:22 < tilix> nothing? 12:22 < tilix> set | grep QT 12:22 < tilix> 12:22 < valentin> hm 12:22 < valentin> env | grep QT ? 12:23 < tilix> nothing again 12:24 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-206-176.prtc.net] has joined #t2 12:24 < tilix> good. compilation finished 12:24 < rxr> hm 12:24 < rxr> Debian is b0rked 12:24 < tilix> where is the binary? 12:24 < rxr> you should make install 12:25 < rxr> the binary will then be in /bin/netconf 12:25 < tilix> install -m 755 netconf /usr/bin 12:25 < tilix> `locale/de/messages.gmo' -> `/opt/kde3/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/netconf.mo' 12:25 < tilix> cp: cannot create regular file `/opt/kde3/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/netconf.mo': No such file or directory 12:26 < tilix> good. up and running 12:26 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0506/38712.html 12:26 < rxr> oh 12:27 < tilix> but it can`t find my 2 lan cards 12:27 < rxr> if you want to use it as normal user you need a sudo rule ... 12:27 < tilix> We trust you have received the usual lecture from the local System 12:28 < tilix> I got this, then it asked for a password 12:28 < tilix> but still doesn`t have the eth1 and eth0 12:28 < rxr> should shoudl NOPASSWD it for now 12:28 < tilix> no ethernet devices found, disabling pppoe 12:28 < tilix> grep: /var/run/rocknet/active-interfaces: No such file or directory 12:28 < tilix> sh: /sbin/ip: No such file or directory 12:28 < rxr> tilix: this could have multple reasons - including ifconfig or so in a different place on your system 12:28 < rxr> where the h*ck is ip on Debian ? 12:29 < valentin> tilix : did you insert the sudo rules ? 12:29 < tilix> just a second 12:29 < valentin> the acitve interfaces may not exist if you never used rocknet before 12:29 < rxr> tilix: well - since it will only work thereafter if you have ROCK^WT2Net in place what do you wanna do with it on Debian ? 12:29 < valentin> should be no problem 12:32 < tilix> good. After adding to sudoers, now I can see my eth0 and eth1 12:33 < tilix> rxr: could you give me an example for var/run/rocknet/active-interfaces 12:34 < rxr> eth0(default) 12:34 < valentin> tilix: no, just touch an empty file 12:35 < tilix> it sees my lan cards like wireless, and they doesn`t have my settings 12:35 < rxr> valentin: any idea why the $(KDEPREFIX) is not expanded in the for l in locale* loin the Makefile ? 12:35 < valentin> what are "your" settings ? 12:35 < valentin> the ones you set manually ? 12:36 < tilix> in /etc/network/interfaces 12:36 < tilix> ip, gateway 12:36 < valentin> tilix: netconf is just a _rocknet_ wrapper 12:36 < valentin> no debian, suse whatsoever 12:36 < valentin> so if you want to use netconf, you have to work with rocknet and place your config in /etc/conf/network 12:37 < rxr> valentin: I commited a install: update 12:37 < rxr> however the locate rule does not work as epxected since $(KDEPREFIX) if you could take a look and have an idea ... 12:37 < valentin> rxr: i do not understand your question 12:37 < valentin> not expanded in the for l in locale* loin the Makefile <- ? 12:37 < rxr> svn up 12:37 < valentin> ok, i take a look 12:37 < rxr> i marked the line with => ,-) 12:40 < valentin> rxr: it works here 12:40 < valentin> cp -v $l /opt/kde3/share/locale/$lang/LC_MESSAGES/netconf.mo ; \ 12:40 < rxr> `locale/de/messages.gmo' -> `/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/netconf.mo' 12:40 < rxr> cp: cannot create regular file `/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/netconf.mo': No such file or directory 12:40 < rxr> `locale/nl/messages.gmo' -> `/share/locale/nl/LC_MESSAGES/netconf.mo' 12:40 < rxr> cp: cannot create regular file `/share/locale/nl/LC_MESSAGES/netconf.mo': No such file or directory 12:41 < rxr> oh - my fault - sorry 12:41 < rxr> remove the => and commit as works for me ,-) 12:41 < valentin> so i will commit ? 12:41 < rxr> tilix: could you translate the message file into your locate when you are at netconf ? 12:42 < rxr> valentin: yep ,-) and thanks for the review ,-) 12:42 < valentin> what review ? i just noticed it works here 12:42 < rxr> yeah - thanks for that 12:42 < tilix> ok, in about an hour or two. 12:42 < rxr> valentin: btw I replaced X11R6 with X11 in the Makefile - X11R6 must never be referenced 12:43 -!- tilix is now known as tilix_away 12:43 < rxr> valentin: there was X11R5 and we will soon have X11R7 ... ,-) 12:43 < valentin> hehe 12:43 < rxr> when X.org 7.0 goes out - eihter this or the next year 12:46 < CIA-1> rene * r9766 /trunk/architecture/ (powerpc/kernel.conf.m4 share/kernel-block.conf.m4): * updated fully modular kernel config 12:50 < rxr> I got a cool name for a Beagle (GNOME) for KDE: Kuebel ,-) 12:53 < CIA-1> rene * r9767 /trunk/scripts/Emerge-Pkg: * better blacklist text for Emerge-Pkg 12:54 < valentin> blacklist text ? for the deps ? 12:55 < rxr> - [ $verbose = 1 ] && echo " Update avoided due blacklist." 12:55 < rxr> + [ $verbose = 1 ] && echo " Automatic update avoided." 13:00 < rxr> valentin: do you also want to come to minto to amsterdam ? 13:01 < CIA-1> rene * r9768 /trunk/package/filesystem/udev/udev.desc: * updated udev (057 -> 058) 13:02 < veki> I am installing minimal version of T2. I need some guidance when configuring network 13:03 < veki> I am at the stone network configuration menu 13:03 < veki> IWhere I should put my sttaic IP, gateway IP and DNS 13:03 < rxr> what do you want to set up? some ethernet? or PPP modem or so ? 13:03 < rxr> for eth0 I guess ? 13:04 < veki> ethernet eth0 13:04 < veki> Isuppose that his is settingup new profile part 13:04 < rxr> did it ask to setup eth0 when you entered the menu ?# 13:05 < veki> It asked about setting new profiel and I put that is called eth0 13:06 < veki> I set IP for eth0, gateway and when I wanted to restar netwrok it said eth0 doe snot exist 13:06 < rxr> hm - strange 13:06 < rxr> I suppose there is no "Edit interface eth0" in the menu then ? 13:07 < veki> yes 13:07 < rxr> hm - then try to to create it again - using "Add new interface/profile" 13:07 < veki> I will delete profile and start again 13:08 < rxr> you could also remove the /etc/network/config to get the wizard again ,-) 13:09 < valentin> veki: you can use vi to edit /etc/conf/network 13:09 < valentin> interface eth0 13:09 < valentin> ip xxx.yyy.yyy.aaa 13:09 < valentin> gw xxx.yyy.yyy.aaa 13:10 < veki> Ok, he problem s that SIOSCGIFFLAGS says no such device 13:10 < veki> yes, i put numbers 13:11 < rxr> ip xxx.yyy.yyy.aaa 13:11 < rxr> ip xxx.yyy.yyy.aaa/cidr 13:11 < rxr> like ip 192.168.2.123/24 13:11 < veki> yes 13:11 < veki> I have done that 13:11 < rxr> do you have eth0 = 13:11 < rxr> ? even 13:11 < rxr> ifconfig -a 13:12 < veki> yes, I have network card insidie that wa sworking 30 minutes before on other linux 13:13 < rxr> I mean does T2 ifconfig -a list it ? 13:13 < rxr> maybe the module is not not loaded or so ... 13:14 < veki> ifconfig -a says: 13:14 < veki> hm 13:14 < veki> maybe there is not module which is strange bceaue it is old ethernet card working on all distros 13:15 < veki> maybe I should put at the beginning of installation 2.4 kernel 13:15 < rxr> have you rebooted already after the install? 13:16 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-206-176.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:16 < veki> I have checked conf files and they are OK. 13:16 < rxr> have you rebooted after installation or are you in the stone after package extraction ? 13:17 < veki> I am in stone after packet extraction and rebing nowoot 13:17 < veki> I am rebooting now 13:18 < veki> I came in GRUP and when I choose GNU/Linux it sayst that there is no hd1,0 13:19 < veki> oh, I will install again 13:19 < veki> fresh start 13:20 < veki> some steps in explanation of installation are missing since you developer know all, of course 13:20 < veki> average user do not know hat you have done 13:20 < veki> I am wiriting notes and lanning to write manua for the beginner 13:21 -!- tilix_away is now known as tilix 13:21 < tilix> rxr: I`m ready. 13:21 < tilix> Should I give you a link, or you want to DCC the translation to you now. 13:22 < rxr> veki: the network module will only be loaded at reboot 13:22 < rxr> veki: you need to either select to install lilo or grub in the stone after package install ... :-( 13:22 < rxr> tilix: link or mail would be best 13:22 < veki> I have done that 13:23 < veki> actually, when I reboot it ask me in GRUB menu what I want to choose, thus, GRUB is there 13:25 < tilix> http://packages.tilix.org/source/translation/ 13:26 < rxr> veki: well - you can kick me - the grub setup is a bit awkward - you need to select create default config ... :-( 13:26 < rxr> I know that is stupid and it should be more intuitive / automatic 13:27 < veki> OK, it is not stupid, it is normakl that you guys are doing accoridng to your knowledge and use. I amtrying to think as average user, because they should use freedom of buidling targets one day 13:27 < veki> I am extracting packages again 13:28 < rxr> veki: if you run install again it will detect the previous install and should not reinstall any package ,-) 13:28 < veki> I know , i reinstalled, buy deleting partitions and starting from th every beginning 13:28 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.206.31.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 13:29 < rxr> tilix: thanks - added (though I could not see the glyphes in my urxvt ... 13:30 < tilix> it should be UTF8, right? 13:30 < rxr> yep 13:33 < veki> rxr: I extracted packages, set up locales and I am prompte dwith menu tu set up GRUB, LILO, network etc.... 13:34 < veki> shoudl I reoot now 13:35 < rxr> no 13:35 < rxr> go into grub 13:35 < rxr> and select generate device map 13:35 < rxr> then create default config 13:35 < rxr> and then install 13:35 < rxr> I know that sucks .. 13:35 < rxr> then reboot 13:36 < veki> OK 13:41 -!- sepp_ [~sepp@p213.54.192.170.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:46 < rxr> 64 125 1137 losetup.c 13:48 < veki> rxr:I finished with Grub. Shoould I exit stone and reboot 13:48 < rxr> yep 13:48 < veki> OK, done 13:49 < veki> rxr:it is is runlevel 2 13:50 < veki> I started stone 13:52 < veki> I started to cofigure netwrok and it said that network is unreachable 13:54 < rxr> where did it say it is unreachable ? 13:54 < rxr> ifconfig -a does list eth0 nwo ? 13:56 < veki> yes, it lists it with IP that I set up 13:58 < veki> SIOCIFFLAGS says that t cannot find device "none" 13:58 < veki> Hm, somehwere is device mentioned as none though there is device 13:58 < rxr> what did you try to enable networking ? 13:59 < veki> static IPs and there is command Restart network 13:59 < veki> from Stone, network setup menu 13:59 < rxr> can you post "cat /etc/conf/network" ? 14:00 < veki> actually it says restart network initscript 14:00 < veki> eth0 14:00 < veki> ip 192.168.2.4 14:00 < veki> gw 192.168.2.1 14:00 < veki> interface eth0 14:00 < veki> agagin IPs from above 14:01 < veki> name server 217.24.17.17 14:01 < veki> taht's it 14:01 < rxr> you need /24 after your IP at ip ... 14:01 < rxr> ip 192.168.2.4/24 14:01 < rxr> and eth0 should be interface eth0 14:02 < rxr> and name server be nameserver 14:02 < veki> nameserveris connected that was my typo now 14:03 < veki> when it asks me for IP of machine it offers /24 14:03 < veki> but when gw is concerned there is no /24 option. should I put it 14:04 < rxr> no - gw does not accept / need the 24 14:04 < veki> when eth0 is offerd there is no interface part before eth0 14:04 < rxr> this aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd/xx is the new classless inter domain routing notation 14:05 < rxr> that replaced the old 255.255.255. ... netmask 14:05 < rxr> it specifies how many bits are used for the network part more easily 14:05 < veki> ok 14:05 < rxr> /24 is equal to the old 255.255.255.0 14:07 < veki> OK, I corrected and when I pressed restart network init scrips it says Interface/profiel matched: eth0(default) 14:07 < veki> and then sign :-( 14:08 < veki> it also saud again the same with teh same sign 14:08 < rxr> but the network shoudl be up now 14:08 < rxr> I think the :-( is a but in the init scritp to be fixed ,-) 14:08 < rxr> or better in the rocknet core - not the init script ... 14:09 < veki> OK, I ping now my latop from that machine 14:09 < veki> what is the next that I should do 14:09 < veki> in system init it is said that default runlevel is 2. is that OK? 14:10 < rxr> 2 is network less - by default 14:10 < rxr> you could change this to 3 in the stone init setup ... 14:10 < rxr> guess you want to setup X next 14:10 < veki> OK, then I have to edit etc/inittab 14:11 < veki> I changed to 3 in inittab 14:11 < veki> it is minmal version and I do not see X 14:11 < veki> I configured ssh deamon 14:12 < rxr> ah - yes the minimal has no X ,-) 14:12 < rxr> you could even have used stone to change the default runleve ,-) 14:12 < rxr> +l 14:12 < rxr> editing manually is fine as welll 14:12 < veki> OK, vi is OK and stone too 14:12 < veki> as far as I see it is more or less set up 14:13 < veki> should I set up PCI devices etc.. 14:13 < rxr> normally the modules should be loaded matching to your PCI devices thru the hotplug equivalent 14:13 < veki> I think that is time now for menu for targets. Am I right? 14:14 < veki> I think that I have to reboot again to go in runlevel 3 from th beginning 14:14 < rxr> init 3 14:15 < rxr> you mostly only need to reboot a linux if you exchange the kernel or so ,-) 14:15 < veki> yes, I know that 14:16 < veki> I am in init 3 14:17 < veki> netwrok is owrking 14:18 < veki> is there any file manager such as mc 14:19 < valentin> there should be mc 14:21 < veki> hm when i Type mc it says command not found 14:21 < veki> anyway, how I enter menu for target building 14:21 < SerWou> rtfm t2 handbook perhaps ? ;) 14:22 < CIA-1> rene * r9769 /trunk/ (7 files in 4 dirs): 14:22 < CIA-1> * added losetup to embutils 14:22 < CIA-1> * enabled it by default and tweaked it to install into usr/embutils if 14:22 < CIA-1> coreutils is enabled in a build 14:22 < CIA-1> * added embutils to be built with dietlibc in the normal targets 14:22 < CIA-1> (needed for the new initramfs T2 early userspace ,-) 14:22 < veki> ah, in handbook are some steps overcome so it is not easy to follow 14:22 < SerWou> that's true 14:23 < veki> On T2 site is wirtten that you should go in T2 directory which actuall is not there 14:23 < veki> and then in ./scripts which is not also easy to find or not existing etc. 14:23 < veki> step by step approach is neede for users that are not develpers 14:23 < SerWou> i'm not too 14:24 < CIA-1> rene * r9770 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/mkinitrd: 14:24 < CIA-1> * changed the opt/embutils path I used for testing to the official 14:24 < CIA-1> in-system static embutils set in usr/embutils for the mkinitrd 14:26 < veki> SerWou: I will get through. My intention is to help create step by step manual and take into consideration alla that average user may need 14:27 < veki> We, technically skilled are not good for dialogue with average users ecause we assume what hey do not and there is unsourmounatbel gap. 14:27 < SerWou> mixed in the current handbook ? 14:27 < veki> Thus, i am a bit borring but is needed 14:27 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 100.00% (348 hits, 0 misses) 14:27 < rxr> those builds are so relaxing ,-) 14:27 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 100.00% (75 hits, 0 misses) 14:28 < veki> the versio that I downloaded a month ago it i shard for average user to find a way. I understand that T2 is in very much development , but my idea is to help to make it closer to average users 14:28 < veki> by average I do notthin win user who never used Linux 14:28 < veki> Let say intermediate Linux user may be good description 14:28 < SerWou> i purposed to translate the handbook too some times ago ;) 14:29 < veki> OK, I will even do that , I am really supportive on T2 14:29 < veki> I have to go now , But I wil be back later 14:29 < veki> cu 14:29 < veki> and tahnks 14:29 < SerWou> see you 14:29 -!- veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has left #t2 [] 14:35 -!- azureus1 [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc961.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:38 < tilix> i have to go now. 14:38 < tilix> bye 14:39 -!- tilix [~ilia@pppoe11.bol.bg] has left #t2 ["Konversation terminated!"] 15:42 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-206-176.prtc.net] has joined #t2 15:48 -!- CIA-1 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:58 < rxr> ok - /me away - cu 16:02 < valentin> cu rxr 16:07 -!- azureus1 [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc961.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 16:13 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-206-176.prtc.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 16:13 -!- sparc-kly_ [~mubex@65-23-207-159.prtc.net] has joined #t2 16:24 -!- CIA-11 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has joined #t2 16:26 < CIA-11> rene * r9771 /trunk/package/base/embutils/mount.patch: 16:26 < CIA-11> * added move support to mount and fixed the option parser to allow 16:26 < CIA-11> parsing of single, not seperated, options ... 16:40 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 16:40 < minto> hi all 16:54 -!- CIA-11 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [] 16:57 -!- CIA-9 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has joined #t2 16:59 -!- azureus1 [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc961.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:04 -!- veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 17:07 < veki> hi 17:20 -!- rxr_ [rene@e178153087.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 17:20 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc1 TAGGED - official .iso creation in progress | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 17:20 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Thu Jun 9 04:36:32 2005] 17:20 [Users #t2] 17:20 [ _Lewellyn] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ SerWou ] [ veki] 17:20 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ lewellyn] [ mtr ] [ rxr_] [ sparc-kly_] 17:20 [ CIA-9 ] [ minto ] [ nzg ] [ sepp] [ valentin ] 17:20 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal] 17:20 -!- [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 17:20 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 17:20 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 11 secs 17:24 < rxr_> hm 17:25 < rxr_> re 17:25 < veki> rxr: I am willing now to practise t2 17:26 < rxr_> pracise ? 17:26 < veki> practise ie. exercise 17:27 < rxr_> veki: what are you doing ? 17:28 < veki> I am logged in as root and I am looking fors cripts to build target 17:28 < valentin> hi minto 17:28 < rxr_> hey valentin 17:28 < veki> hi 17:28 < valentin> hi rxr and rxr_ and veki 17:28 < rxr_> my iBook is now mostly converted to udev 17:28 < veki> :-) 17:29 < rxr_> hi minto 17:30 < minto> hi valentin, rxr and all others 17:30 < veki> hi minto 17:30 [Users #t2] 17:30 [ _Lewellyn] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ SerWou ] [ veki] 17:30 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ lewellyn] [ mtr ] [ rxr_] [ sparc-kly_] 17:30 [ CIA-9 ] [ minto ] [ nzg ] [ sepp] [ valentin ] 17:30 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal] 17:30 < minto> hi veki 17:31 < veki> :-) 17:32 < veki> where is diretcory with scripts? 17:32 < rxr_> veki: most probably not in your installed system 17:32 < rxr_> you ned to download it from the homepage 17:32 < veki> hm, I will do it now 17:33 < veki> what is link to that place? 17:34 < rxr_> http://www.t2-project.org/download.html or so 17:34 < rxr_> the files are in http://dl.exactcode.de/t2/ I thnk 17:35 < valentin> veki: did you read the quick start info about building t2 : https://www2.t2-project.org/docs/quickstart 17:36 -!- rxr [rene@e178154222.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:36 -!- You're now known as rxr 17:36 < veki> valentin: quickstart begins from using ./scripts and I a coming to that stage 17:36 < veki> I installed minimal version and it i sup and running 17:37 < veki> in quick start is not mentioned where are scripts, it is assumed that hey are already installed buth they are not 17:39 < valentin> veki: step 2. there are links to the t2 sources 17:39 < CIA-9> rene * r9773 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/mkinitrd: 17:40 < CIA-9> * workarounded a strange bash issue on PowerPC where the for loop 17:40 < CIA-9> was for some strange and unknown reason left due to the 2>&1 17:40 < CIA-9> redirection for grep ... ?!?!? 17:40 < CIA-9> * improved status output 17:40 < CIA-9> * added warning about non-static binaries copied into the initrd 17:40 < CIA-9> (so people get remembered to rebuild those with dietlibc ,-) 17:40 < valentin> Get the latest tarball of the __T2 sources__ and extract it to your harddisc or do an checkout from the __T2 subversion repository__ to get a current snapshot of the system. 17:41 < veki> I downloaded one. Is there any special directory where it should be placed or it will do that automatically 17:41 < valentin> if you installed t2 from cd, you should have subversion installed, so you can do a checkout of mnemoc's 2.1 branch 17:41 < valentin> veki: put it anywere you like 17:41 < veki> ok 17:41 < valentin> i prefer something like /usr/src/t2-..../ 17:41 < valentin> but its your choice 17:42 < veki> ok 17:43 < CIA-9> rene * r9774 /trunk/package/base/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 17:43 < CIA-9> * removed devfs non-broken default patching and even marked DEVFS in 17:43 < CIA-9> disable-broken since it is in several defconfigs and would thus be 17:43 < CIA-9> enabled on several architectures by the system default merge step 17:43 < CIA-9> during automatic configuration. 17:43 < CIA-9> DevFS seems to be removed in one of the next 2.6 kernels anyway ... 17:49 -!- keinek [~keinek@201.254.14.203] has joined #t2 17:49 < keinek> hi everbody 17:49 < keinek> today in argentina is the day of father. 17:49 < keinek> :) 17:51 < veki> :-) 17:52 < valentin> moin keinek 17:57 < minto> hi Keinek, are you a father? 17:57 < minto> valentin: next year you will be celebrated too. 17:57 < minto> :-) me this year. 17:58 < valentin> minto: yeah i will :) 18:00 < keinek> minto, no 18:00 < keinek> i was looking for a girl first ;) 18:00 < keinek> hey guy in six mouth i will start with radio packet :) 18:01 < veki> I extracted source of scripts. i tried to issue command Config -cfg system and I was prompted that there is no parse-config ... 18:01 < keinek> if t2 dont packet for radio packet, i will create that. 18:01 < keinek> :) 18:15 < veki> valentin: I tried insmod loop as it is mentioned in handbook and I was prompted with cannot read loop 18:16 < valentin> which system are you working on ? 18:16 < veki> minimal T2 18:17 < veki> whne I extracted scripts in /usr/src/t2..../scripts I tried Config but without success 18:18 < veki> It is said that command Config was not found 18:22 < valentin> veki: see query 18:42 -!- mtr_ [~Michael@p54AFAB64.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 18:51 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:56 < valentin> will be away now, cu later 18:56 < rxr> cu 18:56 < valentin> oh - hi rxr 18:56 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 18:57 < valentin> so, bbl 19:00 -!- azureus [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbcba1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 19:00 < azureus> hi 19:00 -!- mtr [~Michael@p54AFA579.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:01 < rxr> hi azureus 19:01 < azureus> hi rxr 19:08 < rxr> valentin: 2.6.12 """feels" faster on ppc - but we really shoudl benchmark 2.6.11++ on PPC ... 19:08 < rxr> ouhm - the lag is enourm - right now ... :-( 19:14 < CIA-9> rene * r9775 /trunk/package/develop/patchutils/patchutils.desc: * updated patchutils (0.2.30 -> 0.2.31) 19:19 < azureus> was morfohr here? 19:24 -!- CIA-9 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:24 -!- CIA-12 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has joined #t2 19:25 < rxr> I thhink no 19:25 < azureus> :-( 19:25 < rxr> IIRC he was hunting^Wsearching for a new flat ... 19:26 < azureus> I do not hope i am anything course-pushed 19:27 < azureus> I do not hope he am anything course-pushed 19:27 < rxr> ? 19:28 < CIA-12> rene * r9776 /trunk/package/network/ypserv/ypserv.desc: * updated ypserv (2.14 -> 2.17) 19:29 < azureus> german translation" Ich hoffe ihm ist nichts zugestoßen" 19:29 < _Ragnar_> O_O 19:29 < _Ragnar_> moin moin 19:29 < rxr> moin _Ragnar_ 19:29 < _Ragnar_> how's it going? 19:29 < azureus> hi Ranger 19:29 < rxr> _Ragnar_: well, as usual 19:30 < rxr> your return reminds me I have the linux basedir issue to solve ... ,-) 19:30 < _Ragnar_> :D 19:30 < _Ragnar_> I was just about to ask ....:) 19:32 < rxr> _Ragnar_: hehe 19:33 < azureus> The german board is ready to go online :-) 19:33 < lewellyn> yay 19:35 < azureus> Who wants to look can see it on t2.pc-help-city.de 19:37 < azureus> Feedbacks are desired 19:38 * lewellyn loads in lynx 19:40 < lewellyn> looks good, but i can't make heads or tails of the content 19:40 < lewellyn> :) 19:40 < azureus> ok, how is the theme? 19:40 < azureus> there is also a blue one 19:40 < lewellyn> in lynz? blue/red/black :) 19:41 < _Ragnar_> btw skas pathc still fails for me 19:41 < _Ragnar_> patch* 19:41 * lewellyn is on his palm, sshed. 19:42 < azureus> You can register now ;-) 19:42 < azureus> regist 19:49 -!- sparc-kly_ [~mubex@65-23-207-159.prtc.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:51 < azureus> I hope we will have a lots of user 19:58 < rxr> I think that will take some time , .. 20:00 -!- azu1 [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbcba1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 20:01 < lewellyn> rxr: get yourslef /.ed :) 20:10 < rxr> yeah 20:11 < azu1> We've got now 2 users :) 20:13 < lewellyn> azu1: if i understood german, i may be inclined to register :) 20:13 < lewellyn> perhaps later someone can guide me through it anyway :)˜˜˜ 20:14 < azu1> I Can make also an english one 20:14 < lewellyn> :) 20:14 < azu1> But there is one, isnt it? 20:16 < azu1> I#m not sure 20:16 < lewellyn> nor am i 20:16 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:16 < azu1> ? 20:18 -!- azureus [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbcba1.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:18 < lewellyn> i'm not sure either 20:18 < azu1> ok 20:19 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 20:30 < rxr> oh - formula 1 with 6 cars ,-)! 20:31 < lewellyn> i heard :( 20:33 < azu1> and all the people had payed many money... 20:38 < lewellyn> yup. all over rubbers ;) 20:48 -!- Postal [~live@ool-435627d0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #t2 20:48 < Postal> Hey all 20:50 < Postal> anyone around? 20:51 < azu1> yes hi 20:52 < azu1> postal: where are you from? 20:52 < Postal> CT usa 20:52 < azu1> k 20:52 < Postal> is rxr around? 20:52 < azu1> I dont know 20:52 < Postal> oh ok 20:53 < lewellyn> Postal: optonline is .ct.us? 21:06 < Postal> lewellyn: yes 21:07 < Postal> could i chroot into a linux enviroment from Cywin? 21:10 < rxr> Postal: yeah - here ,-) 21:11 < rxr> Postal: chroot f:? under wqindows ? 21:11 < rxr> no go ... 21:13 < Postal> rxr: why not? 21:14 < Postal> oh hey teh live cd detected and mounted a DigiPak Card Reader and Writer for USB 2.0 automaticly on boot up, thought you might want it for the certified hardware list 21:15 < rxr> Postal: because chroot just changes the unix internal namespace root 21:16 < rxr> under windows you need a whole emulator 21:16 < rxr> try qemu 21:16 < rxr> Postal: can you mail the exact specs to me ? 21:16 < Postal> rxr: you want the dmesg? 21:16 < Postal> or the lspci? 21:17 < Postal> and what is qemu? 21:20 < Postal> rxr: this qemu sounds very useful 21:21 < CIA-12> rene * r9777 /trunk/package/base/coreutils/cross-df-hack.patch: * hacked coreutils/df to compile cross 21:22 < rxr> the reader is usb? then lsusb ,-) 21:22 < rxr> yeah: http://www.t2-project.org/packages/qemu.html 21:22 < Postal> rxr: ok i will in a bit when i get round to it im reading this qemu doc, i wonder if i could make it build t2? 21:23 < Postal> i have a 64bit windows...? 21:24 < rxr> qemu speed is moderate - you do not want to compile stuff in it ... 21:24 < rxr> btw - xen is even cooler - but no windows 21:24 < Postal> i diddnt ask if i wanted to compile stuff i asked if i could 21:24 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/xen-tools.html 21:25 < Postal> cause your live cd you said does not support 64bit yet 21:25 < rxr> yeah - you could run T2 in qemu on windows and build stuff in it ... 21:25 < rxr> Postal: but you could run your live cd just fine ... 21:25 < rxr> beside it is not 64bit ... 21:25 < lewellyn> can one x-compile t2 from cygwin? 21:25 < lewellyn> Postal: the livecd works well on em64t 21:26 < Postal> do i have to set that as a boot option or will it do it automaticly 21:26 < Postal> just cause i cannot afford anohter primary partition 21:26 < Postal> i really need to buy a new HD but sata is expensive 21:26 < lewellyn> the livecd doesn't need a partition 21:27 < Postal> lewellyn: yes thats the point 21:27 < lewellyn> and it runs fine 21:27 < rxr> lewellyn: in theory one could compile T2 on cygwin - though I think it needs major clutchy hackery ... 21:27 < lewellyn> rxr: just like building anything non-cygwin on cygwin :) 21:28 < Postal> well i hope the livecd works cause im in stage 1 glibc right now 21:28 < Postal> im building a minimal template 21:30 < Postal> rxr: where do i sign up for the mailing list again? 21:31 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/contact.html --ytpos 21:31 < rxr> typos even 21:33 < Postal> we keep complete irc logs online? 21:34 * lewellyn shushes ;) 21:35 < Postal> i never knew that 21:35 < Postal> i hope we put a nice robot.txt at the root of that 21:36 < rxr> Postal: why? 21:36 < rxr> we explicitly want the IRC logs be crawled 21:36 < Postal> rxr: we do? 21:36 < rxr> private stuff is in queries and the logs contains huge amounts of interesting links that bump our google rating by magnitutes ... 21:37 < Postal> oh 21:37 < Postal> oc 21:37 < Postal> ic* 21:37 < Postal> what is our google rating? 21:37 < rxr> I have no google toolbar for konqueror - no idea 21:38 < rxr> but it appears to be high enough to be on the first page for "linux handbook2 21:38 < rxr> " even 21:39 < lewellyn> www.slashdot.org will be our friend soon enough! :) 21:39 < lewellyn> or is it www.slashdot.com ? 21:40 < Postal> .org 21:40 * lewellyn never actually visits anymore. 21:40 * Postal never found it very interesting 21:40 < rxr> lewellyn: best post links with http:// so my log to html parser makes a href out of it ,-) 21:40 < rxr> http://slashdot.org/ 21:40 < Postal> in english that means what? 21:41 < Postal> href? 21:41 < rxr> http://slashdot.com 21:41 < rxr> HTML the test 21:41 < lewellyn> Postal: hyperreference 21:42 < rxr> those that form the web ,-) 21:42 < lewellyn> and :// are all shifted keys on my palm :( 21:42 < sepp> hi all 21:42 < rxr> you are crazzy enough to chat from your palm ? 21:44 < Postal> why is that crazy? 21:44 < rxr> it is not too slow to typoe ? 21:46 < lewellyn> rxr: nah. 3 row kb 21:47 < Postal> t2 should be a team at http://distributed.net 21:47 < lewellyn> a good portion of my irc is from my palm 21:47 < lewellyn> people still do distributed.net? 21:47 < Postal> yeah i guess 21:49 < lewellyn> anyway. battery is dying and i need to shower. 21:49 < lewellyn> back laater 21:50 < Postal> rxr: do i need the 32bit glibc for grub still, or can i run pure 64bit yet? 21:50 < rxr> as long as grub is not fixed, you need a glibc32 21:50 < rxr> but these days it shoudl work 21:50 < Postal> damn 21:50 < rxr> why damn 21:50 < rxr> it does not cost you much 21:50 < Postal> i thought you where going to say it would not work 21:50 < Postal> dietlibc errored out 21:51 < rxr> ah - this internal compiler error ? 21:51 < Postal> yes 21:51 < Postal> do you want the tail? 21:51 < rxr> no - I know it ... 21:51 < rxr> rename the .err to .log ,-) 21:52 < Postal> um i forget where the error logs are its been a while 21:53 < rxr> build/.../var/adm/logs/ 21:53 < rxr> but wait 21:53 < rxr> in the meantime I changed my mind ... :-( 21:53 < Postal> waiting 21:53 < Postal> ok 21:53 < rxr> best revert the dietlibc update 21:53 < Postal> why? 21:53 < rxr> since you will need dietlibc for some other T2 features now .. 21:53 < rxr> because the last dietlibc built on x86-64 ... 21:53 < Postal> ok 21:54 < Postal> i forget the svn command 21:54 < rxr> I still need to track why the new release causes a bug in gcc ... 21:54 < rxr> I paste it 2nd 21:54 < rxr> cd package/base/dietlibc 21:54 < Postal> ok 21:55 < CIA-12> rene * r9778 /trunk/package/ (base/curl/ base/wget/ network/curl/ network/wget/): * moved base/{curl,wget} -> network/ 21:55 < rxr> one more moment svn log still running 21:55 < Postal> ok 21:56 < rxr> svn merge -r8998:8997 . 21:56 < rxr> I hope it does not conflict ... 21:56 < rxr> and builds ... 21:56 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.4/20050511]"] 21:57 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 21:58 < _Ragnar_> re 21:58 < Postal> same error rxr 22:00 < Postal> im not sure that it actually reverted 22:00 < Postal> svn merge -r8898:8897 . 22:01 < Postal> but there was nothing new to dl and the error is still the same 22:02 < Postal> ill be back in about 20 min 22:21 < veki> I started to compile my first target . It i sminimal router that I choose from teh ncurses dialog 22:22 < veki> I hope it will be OK :-) 22:23 < veki> Thanks valentin, rxr and mnemoc for help 22:23 < veki> :-) 22:27 < veki> I have to go now and machine will continue building target 22:27 < veki> cu 22:27 < veki> :-) 22:27 -!- veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has left #t2 [] 22:29 < Postal> back 22:30 < Postal> rxr: any ideas on this dietlibc error? 22:45 < azu1> I go to bed now, bey 22:47 -!- azu1 [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbcba1.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [] 23:00 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-207-159.prtc.net] has joined #t2 23:03 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:06 < _Ragnar_> rxr: btw how do I get it to skip this patch? O_O 23:30 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-207-159.prtc.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:41 < rxr> re 23:42 < rxr> Postal: did svn merge output anything ? 23:43 < Postal> rxr: no the svn merge did not output anything 23:43 < rxr> _Ragnar_: embedded linux26 built here ... 23:44 < _Ragnar_> O_O 23:45 * _Ragnar_ tries again 23:46 < Postal> rxr: should merge have output anything? --- Log closed Mon Jun 20 00:00:00 2005