--- Log opened Wed Jun 08 00:00:58 2005
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00:13 < keinek> hi
00:23 < keinek> i have one problem
00:23 < keinek> i need rip a dvd
00:23 < keinek> only copy the .vob
00:23 < keinek> decss
00:24 < keinek> vobcopy is in the t2?
00:24 < keinek> now i am in the stable t2.
00:25 < keinek> i dont... i will add vobcopy to t2 :P
00:29 < rxr> I used dvdrip in the past ...
00:29 < rxr> but /me sleeping now ...
00:29 < rxr> cu - n8 all
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00:41 < valentin> re
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01:29 < valentin> mnemoc_: there again ?
01:30 < mnemoc_> re
01:30 < valentin> hi
01:31 < mnemoc_> hi valentin, keinek
01:31 < valentin> mnemoc_: you do pppoe, right ?
01:31 < mnemoc_> valentin: yes
01:31 < mnemoc_> valentin: on 2 clients
01:31 < valentin> can you paste me the log lines for the beginning of a connection ? i.e the first lines you get on ifup ppp0 ?
01:32 < mnemoc_> minute
01:34 < valentin> thank you
01:35 < mnemoc_> is what i pasted what you need?
01:35 < valentin> yes
01:37 < valentin> i think i take the "using interface xyz" line as tag for a new connection
01:37 < mnemoc_> why not "Script /etc/ppp/ip-up started" ?
01:39 < mnemoc_> make[2]: *** [/TOOLCHAIN/src.glibc.1118175992.10691.7f0100/glibc-2.3.4/objdir/elf/rtld-libc.a] Error 2
01:39 < mnemoc_> make[2]: Leaving directory `/TOOLCHAIN/src.glibc.1118175992.10691.7f0100/glibc-2.3.4/elf'
01:39 < mnemoc_> make[1]: *** [elf/subdir_lib] Error 2
01:39 < mnemoc_> damn damn damn!
01:46 < valentin> mnemoc_: because the user may not have this option set
01:46 < valentin> what error ?
01:49 < keinek> hi everbody
01:49 < keinek> i need rip a dvd
01:49 < keinek> but nothing work today with me
01:49 < keinek> :(
01:50 < keinek> i only copy the .vob to the hard disk.
01:50 < keinek> vobcopy is the only way?
01:50 < mnemoc_> valentin: invisible :\
01:51 < mnemoc_> gcc ..... -MT /TOOLCHAIN/src.glibc.1118175992.10691.7f0100/glibc-2.3.4/objdir/io/rtld-lxstat.os
01:51 < mnemoc_> make[4]: Leaving directory `/TOOLCHAIN/src.glibc.1118175992.10691.7f0100/glibc-2.3.4/io'
01:51 < mnemoc_> make[3]: Leaving directory `/TOOLCHAIN/src.glibc.1118175992.10691.7f0100/glibc-2.3.4/elf'
01:51 < mnemoc_> make[2]: *** [/TOOLCHAIN/src.glibc.1118175992.10691.7f0100/glibc-2.3.4/objdir/elf/rtld-libc.a] Error 2
01:52 < keinek> ok....
01:52 < keinek> another...
01:52 < keinek> gtk-perl10
01:52 < keinek> dont work
01:52 < keinek> in the error log
01:52 < keinek> said something like is needed a submodule called gdkimlib
01:52 < keinek> do you know that module?
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01:54 < mnemoc_> keinek: you may have missed a dependency
01:54 < keinek> i fix that
01:55 < keinek> i was try to install dvdrip
01:55 < keinek> but dvdrip install before gtk-perl10
01:55 < keinek> but gtk-perl10 fail.
01:55 < keinek> now i did emerge gtk-perl10
01:55 < keinek> and the dependency will install
01:55 < keinek> why emerge dont install all dependency recursive???
01:56 < keinek> i need copy a original dvd
01:57 < keinek> i dont want install a windows for that.
01:57 < mnemoc_> keinek: one level only
01:57 < keinek> the dvd dont need recompresion, the dvd original have 4.3, ideal for dvd-r
01:57 < keinek> one level only?
01:57 < keinek> why?
01:57 < mnemoc_> keinek: T2 is not designe to emerge the world, it's designed to build targets
01:57 < keinek> i need more levels!
01:57 < mnemoc_> write a proper target
01:58 < keinek> laksjdl lkajsdlkj alskdj (push in the keywoard)
01:58 < keinek> T2 is must be designe for everthing!
01:58 < mnemoc_> no
01:58 < keinek> why no!
01:59 < mnemoc_> it's not been designed by argentinians, it's designed to do one thing, and to do it right
01:59 < keinek> too much build targets... you forguet teach to the people that use the targets.
02:00 < keinek> dont worry.
02:00 < mnemoc_> leonor will write a tutorial about creating targets :)
02:00 < keinek> zip.
02:00 < keinek> :P
02:01 < valentin> who is leonor ?
02:01 < keinek> please mnemoc_ , tell to valentin why...
02:02 < keinek> in my first pay, of my new job.....
02:02 < keinek> in the check (is right "check"?)
02:02 < keinek> i dont have words for tell the history.
02:03 < keinek> mnemoc_, have better english than me.
02:03 < mnemoc_> yes check, or bank check
02:03 < keinek> my name is "Leonel"
02:03 < keinek> but int he bank check, i found "Leonor"
02:04 < mnemoc_> which is a female name
02:04 < keinek> so...
02:04 < keinek> i have some problems for have the money.
02:04 < keinek> but i got it.
02:04 < mnemoc_> neither at work they know if keinek is male or female
02:04 < keinek> hahaha
02:05 < keinek> no no no, i am male.
02:05 < keinek> but a lots of jokes for that.
02:05 < valentin> leonor: do not worry ,)
02:06 < keinek> :P
02:06 < keinek> i will scan the check and will post.
02:06 < keinek> tomorrow.
02:07 < keinek> i will back in a minute.
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02:38 < mnemoc_> re
02:45 < valentin> hi mnemoc_
02:45 < mnemoc_> how is netconf going?
02:46 < valentin> hard...
02:46 < valentin> at least i can parse ppp status now (but i think it is quite fragile)
02:46 < valentin> not fragile in terms of stability, but of precission
02:49 < valentin> i have to integrate little stuff now, but there are also some remaining issues
02:49 < valentin> and i am too tired to think accurate
02:49 < valentin> damn
02:49 < valentin> less than 2.5h remaing
02:51 < mnemoc_> outch
02:55 < valentin> but maybe rxr sleeps longer :)
02:55 < valentin> otoh i need some sleep, soon
02:58 < mnemoc_> sleep 2h and finish netconf in 30' :)
02:58 < valentin> yeah
03:00 < keinek> sleep 10 h and... and...
03:00 < keinek> i dont finish anything :P
03:00 < keinek> i wanna sleep more :D
03:00 < mnemoc_> :)
03:01 < mnemoc_> go to sleep valentin... tired you wont finish
03:01 < valentin> i have to train living with few sleep - 7 weeks left...
03:01 < valentin> mnemoc_: i will
03:01 < valentin> and after that i die :/
03:02 < mnemoc_> you can die, but just after finishing netconf
03:02 < keinek> i wanna a recursive Emerge
03:02 < keinek> so... after you can die.
03:02 < keinek> :D
03:03 < mnemoc_> keinek: recursive emerge is evil
03:03 < mnemoc_> keinek: you wont get that here
03:04 < keinek> i know, but i try.
03:04 < keinek> perhaps for my birtday.
03:04 < keinek> :P
03:05 < mnemoc_> emerge final packages doesn't hurt, but emerging packages which are dependencies of packages you already have is dangerous
03:05 < keinek> T2 Stable with ReCuRsIvE Emerge (evil) for Keinek :)
03:05 < mnemoc_> nah
03:05 < keinek> but look, why not just a option.
03:06 < keinek> like wget.
03:06 < keinek> wget have --level
03:06 < mnemoc_> -deps=
03:06 < keinek> wget is dangerous, you can download all the internet.
03:07 < mnemoc_> we are not wget
03:07 < keinek> i know.
03:08 < keinek> i just want decss my dvd.
03:09 < keinek> sometimes... i miss debian.
03:09 < keinek> but debian is in the past.
03:10 < keinek> now, t2 is my present and future.
03:10 < keinek> and.... why "t2"?
03:11 < keinek> rxr, like the movie "Terminator 2"???
03:12 < valentin> keinek: which starting url for downloading whole internet ?
03:13 < keinek> i never do that.
03:13 < keinek> but www.google.com be the page.
03:13 < keinek> :)
03:14 < mnemoc_> try-two
03:14 < keinek> for these reasons wget --level=1 is a good command.
03:14 < mnemoc_> like 'try again' or 'keep trying' :)
03:14 < keinek> t2?
03:14 < keinek> sound like a "estornudo"
03:14 < keinek> TI CHU!
03:15 < keinek> :D
03:36 < mnemoc_> i love lvm!
03:36 < mnemoc_> i got 4 extra G to build T2 ref removing only 1 from /home/$client :D
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03:49 < ojh> Has anyone else evaluated http://www.bitwiseim.com/ ? Commercial but uses a number of nifty Open Source technologies.
03:51 < ojh> The voice conferencing and whiteboard features would be quite useful for highly distributed projects.
03:53 < mnemoc_> not me
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05:05 < valentin> WTF ? is it ATDP or ATPT for pulse dialing ? google says both ...
05:06 < valentin> for logig it schould be ATPT
05:08 < mnemoc_> ATDP: dial pulse
05:08 < mnemoc_> no idea what ATPT is
05:09 < valentin> mnemoc_: thanks, that is what i belived but some webpages confused my
05:10 < mnemoc_> did you sleep?
05:10 < valentin> no, but the sun comes out and wakes my up
05:11 < mnemoc_> AT DT is the command to call
05:11 < mnemoc_> AT DP
05:11 < mnemoc_> but ATPT?? no idea
05:11 < mnemoc_> AT DT is the command to call using tones*
05:13 < valentin> what is atd then ?
05:14 < mnemoc_> the prefix for dial commands
05:17 < mnemoc_> http://www.cellular.co.za/hayesat.htm#Hayes%20AT%20Commands
05:19 < mnemoc_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayes_command_set :D
05:20 < valentin> mnemoc_: i will not read anything today i do not need to read
05:20 < mnemoc_> :)
05:20 < mnemoc_> it was fun to remember hayes commands...
05:20 < mnemoc_> i closed my BBS on 1995 :)
05:21 < valentin> arg sun shines into my eyes
05:21 < valentin> time to darken my window
05:22 < mnemoc_> i have to use glasses to use my notebook :\
05:22 < valentin> how can you read your display then ?
05:24 < mnemoc_> using these .25/.50 optical glasses i 'rest'
05:24 < mnemoc_> without them i get 'rabit eyes' after some minutes in front of the display
05:25 < valentin> my desk is right before my window and my window faces east. so between 5 and 8 the sun shines directly into my eyes and i can see nothing
05:26 < mnemoc_> move your desk or cover your windows
05:26 < mnemoc_> window*
05:32 < valentin> i prefer covering the windows, that is easier
05:34 < CIA-7> amery * r9524 /branches/2.1/package/java/tomcat/tomcat.conf:
05:34 < CIA-7> * decustmainized tomcat
05:34 < CIA-7> * changed tomcat to install at opt/tomcat
05:34 < valentin> where is rxr ?
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05:35 < mnemoc_> my desk is right to the cloth wash machine
05:35 < mnemoc_> no sun around here
05:35 < mnemoc_> i use to have a room just for me, books computers, etc... but rafaella have it now :)
05:37 < CIA-7> amery * r9525 /branches/2.1/package/games/xblasttnt/xblasttnt.conf: * fixed xblasttnt to not install at /usrgames/
05:37 < mnemoc_> valentin: sleeping? :)
05:37 < valentin> hm, your harddiscs like the vibrations ?
05:37 * valentin is sleeping awake
05:37 < valentin> need to write make install for a kde prog
05:38 < valentin> and adapt the code that pixmaps are loaded from that locations
05:38 < mnemoc_> valentin: the HDs of my desktop have short life.... 6-10 months
05:38 < mnemoc_> valentin: i hope laptop survives more
05:39 < valentin> no wonder as long as they are operating near to a washing machine
05:40 < mnemoc_> usually the washing machine is stopped when i'm here :)
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06:49 < valentin> so, after a little breakfast ....
06:50 < valentin> think i could take another tea ...
06:55 < valentin> anyone here knows howto disable generic makefile targets ?
06:56 < mnemoc_> make ?
06:57 < mnemoc_> the first target: is assumed in that case.... foo:\n\tfalse would make it fail :)
06:57 < valentin> no, this is not what i meant
06:57 < valentin> i have a generic rule
06:58 < valentin> %.so: %.cc
06:58 < valentin> and i do not want this rule to be applied for one target
06:58 < mnemoc_> overwrtting %.so: ? ... no idea really
07:09 < valentin> so where is rxr ? he wanted to be "here" two hours before
07:09 * valentin -> tea
07:28 < valentin> *yawn*
07:35 < rxr> damn - did not properly woke up at 5 ...
07:35 < rxr> valentin: just define your custom rule
07:35 < rxr> ? even
07:35 < valentin> rxr: no, that did not work
07:36 < valentin> i hacked a bit around - suboptimal but works now
07:38 < rxr> what is the overall status ?
07:39 < valentin> can you checkout the netconf and see if it compiles / can be started
07:40 < valentin> it works on /tmp/pseudoconf and does not call ifup/ifdown right now
07:42 < rxr> wlan_device.cc:3:30: wireless_status.hh: No such file or directory CXX wlan_device.o
07:42 < rxr> wlan_device.cc:3:30: wireless_status.hh: No such file or directory
07:43 < valentin> .oO
07:44 < valentin> svn up
07:45 < valentin> if you wait two more seconds you can svn up another little fix
07:46 < rxr> ok - buitl now - and now?
07:46 < valentin> svn up
07:46 < valentin> make
07:46 < rxr> $ ./gui/netconf
07:46 < rxr> ./gui/netconf: error while loading shared libraries: libnetconf_configtree.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
07:47 < valentin> ah - you need to make install or execute in the local dir
07:47 < valentin> but svn up before
07:47 < valentin> if you do no make install, then you will not have the images
07:51 < rxr> it does not load my /etc/conf/network
07:52 < rxr> no attempt in strace -e open to come near to open an /etc/*network file
07:52 < valentin> as i said before, it uses /tmp/pseudoconf
07:53 < valentin> just copy your /etc/conf/network there
07:53 < valentin> or wait till i reverted it
07:54 < rxr> ah - better
07:54 < valentin> did you svn up at 07:46 ?
07:54 < rxr> yes
07:55 < rxr> Warning: line 16 : 'ppp /dev/tts/0 115200 debug'
07:56 < rxr> should serial device scan work ?
07:56 < valentin> warning ?
07:57 < rxr> this is what it print out wile reading my existing file ...
07:57 < valentin> there is support for deviceids in the codepath, but i do not call serpnp yet
07:57 < rxr> why not ?
07:57 < valentin> rxr: ah - i think because of the debug
07:57 < valentin> ignore that
07:57 < valentin> because i did not login to your box to test that
07:58 < valentin> i can do that in 5 minutes
07:58 < rxr> ok - what should I test ?
07:59 < valentin> do svn up and you get a new profile dialog
07:59 < valentin> if you have to much free time while i add serpnp
07:59 < valentin> you could make tests in systeminfo
07:59 < valentin> and see if the modem status works
08:00 < valentin> ok, otoh there are only numbers in the output which will not say much to you
08:00 < valentin> so, i implement serpnp calling now
08:01 < valentin> if you want to play around, just edit / switch differnet profiles and check if the tool behaves as it should
08:01 < rxr> should the activate / deactive button work ?
08:01 < rxr> what sudo rules are needed ?
08:01 < valentin> 07:40 < valentin> it works on /tmp/pseudoconf and does not call ifup/ifdown right now
08:01 < valentin> mom\
08:02 < valentin> sth like
08:02 < valentin> %users localhost= NOPASSWD: /sbin/ifup
08:02 < valentin> %users localhost= NOPASSWD: /sbin/ifdown
08:02 < valentin> and something for the file access, if you do not want to set it public readable
08:02 < rxr> how should I test it when everything to test is disable ...
08:02 < rxr> +d
08:03 < valentin> just wait ten minutes, and it will work
08:04 < valentin> where should i place a temporary copy of the config ? /etc/conf/network.tmp ?
08:04 < valentin> and should i write the config back via sudo ?
08:05 < rxr> /tmp/network-XXXXXX
08:05 < rxr> with mkstemp ?
08:06 < valentin> hm, if you want it to be a tmp file ...
08:06 < rxr> this is good-style on unix systems for serveral good reasons ...
08:06 < valentin> i rather thought about backup and intermediate copy when restarting active profiles
08:07 < valentin> but it will not work for me
08:07 < rxr> why ?
08:07 < valentin> because it saves the current config until you deactivate the active profile
08:07 < valentin> and if you quit the application in betweeen this config is lost
08:08 < valentin> with a fixed file, this will not happen
08:08 < rxr> you want to use the other temp file then to continue editing ?
08:08 < valentin> yes, i work in the intermediate file only. just between switching profiles etc i wanted to copy the file over
08:09 < valentin> because rocknet does not like it when its config is edited
08:09 < rxr> then why do you ask me what file to use when you already know what you want to use ...
08:09 < rxr> valentin: how do you copy the file ?
08:09 < valentin> i just want a fixed name, but i do not mind the path
08:10 < valentin> cp or sudo cp, both are equaly zero security
08:10 < rxr> if you want a fix name use it nearby the original file ...
08:10 < rxr> /etc/conf/network-netconf-copy or whatever
08:10 < valentin> that is ok
08:10 < valentin> so how would you copy the file ?
08:11 < rxr> ah - yes - you need thru sudo ...
08:11 < rxr> forgot that ...
08:12 < valentin> why ? you could set the permissions to "lousy"
08:12 < valentin> but sudo is better to be configured by the user
08:12 < rxr> no lousy permissions, please
08:13 < rxr> the use cp - but with '-p' to preserve possibly set restricted permissions ...
08:13 < rxr> how do you read the file? open / read ?
08:14 < valentin> where are ifup / ifdown located on the new systems ?
08:14 < valentin> rxr: i just read / write to my local copy
08:14 < valentin> and copy once
08:15 < valentin> so you could just add the cp /etc/conf/network-netconf-copy /etc/conf/network to the sudoers
08:15 < rxr> ok - what is pending and when can I release the version on CD ?
08:15 < valentin> and i call sudo cp
08:15 < valentin> i just put those sudo calls in there
08:15 < valentin> and then we should test the modem stuff
08:15 < valentin> as soon as i put the final pieces together
08:15 < valentin> the config should work and be rock solid
08:15 < valentin> now
08:16 < rxr> can you add a README with the sudo rules ,-)
08:16 < valentin> maybe i finish it first ...
08:20 < rxr> Linux v2.6.12-rc6
08:23 < valentin> hm, sudo does not like the arguments in its config file
08:23 < valentin> i could write a small script to be installed in sbin
08:27 < rxr> valentin: you can put the arguments in the sudoes file ...
08:27 < rxr> # Samples
08:27 < rxr> # %users localhost=/sbin/shutdown -h now
08:28 < valentin> hm, i tried exactly that ..
08:28 < valentin> who cares, the one-line script works too
08:29 < rxr> valentin: let's not inject too much custom junk
08:29 < rxr> configuring sudo right should work, too
08:30 < valentin> ok, i revert it later
08:31 < valentin> ah, btw the user must have write permissions to /etc/conf/network-netconf-copy
08:33 < rxr> well - or write a tiny script, that copies and set the write bit ...
08:33 < rxr> please use cat file > /etc/conf/network then to preserve the original permissions ...
08:33 < valentin> ok
08:35 < rxr> the bandwith use of the *mule crap confuses me ...
08:35 < rxr> hundreds of soures and only a few kB on my side ...
08:35 < _Ragnar_> all leeches
08:39 < valentin> rxr: the install now touches an empty /etc/conf/network-netconf-copy with permission 666 in that dir
08:39 < valentin> so you do not need to open /etc/conf for reading/writing
08:48 < rxr> rxr: yeah - sucks ...
08:52 < rxr> google has a new daily picture ...
09:02 < valentin> hm, i put all stuff the rocknet stuff together, but now it crashes on ifdown
09:03 < rxr> your Qt app crashes ?
09:04 < valentin> ouhm
09:04 < valentin> did you enable some vpn beetween our servers ?
09:04 < rxr> ?
09:05 < rxr> yes, why ?
09:05 < rxr> gsmp once had it - but I'm not sure if it is used right now ...
09:05 < valentin> i had a 192.168.2. address and it still worked ?!
09:05 < valentin> ok, maybe /16
09:06 < rxr> hm - no in such a way there is no VPN
09:06 < rxr> IIRC
09:06 < rxr> nope
09:07 < valentin> i think i had a netmasc of 255.255.0.0 and this is why my packages were still routed
09:10 < valentin> so, think i found a reason
09:14 < valentin> hm, gdb sucks
09:20 < valentin> re
09:21 < valentin> besides that gdb sometimes messed up my system ...
09:22 < valentin> btw: rocknet gives me a Unknown statement in config file: ppp_chat_defaults
09:22 < valentin> ah - it should be chat_defaults
09:24 < valentin> damn, once again screwed the config
09:31 < valentin> opindddrr;kj;lskdjf;lksj
09:31 < valentin> ah
09:31 < valentin> ok
09:32 < valentin> rxr: my iwconfig is in /usr/sbin
09:32 < valentin> and not in sbin
09:32 < valentin> is this intended ?
09:34 < valentin> ok, /me adding /usr/sbin to path, too
09:38 < valentin> my poor computer gets confused by all those reconfigurations
09:39 < valentin> rxr: i can now switch between profiles configuring ethernet and wireless ethernet
09:39 < valentin> esp if the config was created using this program exclusively, i see not very big problems
09:40 < valentin> now i have to take a look at ppp
09:40 < valentin> if you want to try, svn up and recompile
09:40 < valentin> and reinstall
09:40 < valentin> and do not forget to quit the running app
09:40 < valentin> if it is still in the systemtray
09:51 < rxr> re
09:52 < rxr> well - I think it is there by accident ..
09:52 < rxr> use it for now
09:53 < valentin> ??
09:53 < valentin> what is where by which accident ?
09:53 < valentin> ah - iwconfig
09:53 < valentin> can you svn up and play a bit with netconf ?
09:58 < rxr> undefined references
09:59 < rxr> I make clean ; make ...
10:00 < valentin> to what ?
10:00 < valentin> maybe you have trouble because of the installed version ?
10:01 < rxr> no help
10:02 < rxr> don't tell me I have to make uninstall on each build ...
10:02 < rxr> profile_manager.o(.text+0x2a44): In function `ProfileManager::setInterfaceUp(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, bool)':
10:02 < rxr> /home/rene/develop/netconf-trunk/gui/profile_manager.cc:275: undefined reference to `TriggerIfDown(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)'
10:02 < rxr> profile_manager.o(.text+0x2b29):/home/rene/develop/netconf-trunk/gui/profile_manager.cc:280: undefined reference to `TriggerIfUp(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&, std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&)'
10:02 < valentin> ouhm
10:02 < valentin> where did you make ?
10:02 < valentin> in the gui subdir only ?
10:02 < rxr> no - topdir
10:03 < rxr> ~/develop/netconf-trunk$
10:03 < rxr> At revision 212.
10:03 < valentin> hm, try deleteting configtree/configtree.so gui/netconf
10:03 < valentin> and make
10:03 < valentin> oh - you even did a make clean ?
10:03 < rxr> yes
10:03 < valentin> hm
10:03 < valentin> it should be in systeminfo.o
10:04 < rxr> forgotten svn commit on some file on your side ?
10:04 < valentin> do not think so
10:05 < valentin> no
10:05 < valentin> wait - i do a make clean all
10:05 < rxr> still ...
10:06 < valentin> hm, i compiled my version, but now i try to compile all
10:07 < valentin> what does nm systeminfo/systeminfo.o say about those functions ?
10:07 < rxr> I
10:08 < rxr> 'm right now rebuilding with libnetconf-s.th.so removed
10:08 < rxr> in-system one
10:08 < rxr> worked
10:08 < valentin> oh
10:08 < rxr> valentin: why is the system .so mixed in ?!?!?
10:09 < valentin> it links against the iinstalled version ?
10:09 < rxr> seems so
10:09 < valentin> no idea, beacuse ld sucks ?
10:09 < rxr> why do you link it shared anyway?
10:09 < valentin> how do i set path priority ?
10:09 < rxr> why don't you like all your objects together ?
10:09 < valentin> feel free to change it
10:09 < rxr> # rm /opt/kde3/lib/libnetconf_configtree.so
10:09 < rxr> ^- that helped ...
10:10 < rxr> well - grummel ...
10:12 < rxr> ok
10:19 < rxr> your netconf compiles quite long ...
10:19 < rxr> even on the 2.5Ghz Athlon ...
10:19 < valentin> i know
10:19 < valentin> and i even speeded it much up
10:19 < rxr> I hope you use ccache ...
10:20 < valentin> no but i normaly only recompile 1 or 2 objects per run
10:25 < valentin> btw: if you compile an "official" version later, you should remove the '-g' from the options and set some size optimization
10:25 < rxr> the T2 system will take care ..
10:26 < rxr> I do not touch such switcher manually - never ...
10:26 < rxr> I just hack .a build
10:26 < rxr> I only need to search why it throws undefined references on me ...
10:29 < valentin> again ?
10:30 < rxr> yea - but due to my .a transition ...
10:32 < CIA-7> sebastian * r9526 /trunk/package/ (21 files in 21 dirs): * added some .cache files
10:39 < rxr> valentin: svn up and give my .a transition a try ...
10:39 < rxr> Committed revision 214.
10:39 < rxr> Committed revision 214.
10:41 < valentin> i cannot compile yet, because i am writing some code
10:41 < rxr> ok - should build and run fine anyway ,-)
10:47 < CIA-7> sebastian * r9527 /trunk/package/graphic/wings3d/wings3d.desc: * updated wings3d (0.98.26b -> 0.98.29b)
10:54 < rxr> *multilib_defaults:
10:54 < rxr> m32
10:54 < rxr> ? yay!
10:55 < rxr> s/?/!/
10:57 < valentin> ?
11:02 < rxr> valentin: I'm just happy that I successfully hacked up the sparc64 gcc to produce 32bit binaries by default ...
11:03 < rxr> == 10:49:25 =[9]=> Building scientific/scilab [3.1.1 2.2.0-alpha].
11:03 < rxr> !> cc1: note: -fwritable-strings is deprecated; see documen ..
11:03 < rxr> !> cc1: note: -fwritable-strings is deprecated; see documen ..
11:03 < rxr> ...
11:05 < CIA-7> rene * r9528 /trunk/package/base/gcc/biarch-wo-multilib.patch:
11:05 < CIA-7> * resurrected gcc/biarch-wo-multilib.patch and reworked it to patch
11:05 < CIA-7> sparc64 to produce a -m32 defaulting compiler
11:05 < rxr> valentin: mnemoc_ and I decided we want sparc64 ISO ready for 2.1 ,-)
11:05 < rxr> and yes - I know we are crazzy ...
11:06 < valentin> maybe it will be ready before netconf ... .oO
11:07 < rxr> valentin: ?
11:07 < CIA-7> rene * r9529 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * moved biarch patch to architecture/sparc64
11:16 < valentin> rxr: why does the makefile still copy the .so ?
11:16 < rxr> oh - forgot to rm that - sorry
11:17 < rxr> is the AR .a stuf fine otherwise ?
11:17 < valentin> well, it works
11:17 < valentin> i did not take a look what you did
11:19 < rxr> == 09:17:43 =[1]=> Building base/ncurses [5.4 2.2.0-alpha].
11:19 < rxr> -> Altering arch_{machine,target} to sparc ...
11:19 < rxr> a few lines of injected shell code can transform so much in T2 ,-)
11:20 < rxr> if I would cluster the 3 sparcs here I might be able to compile a desktop in about a week or so ,-)
11:20 < rxr> == 09:18:49 =[0]=> Building base/gcc [3.4.3 2.2.0-alpha].
11:20 < rxr> -> Patching package to default to -m32 ...
11:39 < valentin> rxr: can you svn up and test with the modem ?
11:42 < rxr> osnews.com is blank ?
11:43 < rxr> no - only misrednered adv. on the top ,-)
11:45 < CIA-7> rene * r9530 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
11:45 < CIA-7> * implemented 32bit userspace for sprac64 builds (nice option
11:45 < CIA-7> with big help text)
11:46 < rxr> you have not committed the .so install removal ?
11:50 < rxr> ouhm - ...
11:51 < rxr> should I call or do you ?
11:52 < valentin> no
11:52 < valentin> call me
11:52 < rxr> on ?
11:52 < valentin> ?
11:52 < rxr> no ? that should have been ...
12:06 < rxr> jjJun 8 12:05:36 haudraufinix chat[316]: Can't get terminal parameters: Input/output error
12:07 < rxr> sorry - might be my fault - though I'm sure I slected COM1 and not COM2 ...
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12:08 < jeru> moin
12:09 < rxr> valentin: when do you copy the file?
12:09 < rxr> not on ok?
12:12 < rxr> # ./test_ppp_status /var/log/ppp0
12:12 < rxr> update status
12:12 < rxr> update status
12:12 < rxr> 3 8 0
12:12 < rxr> 3 8 1
12:12 < rxr> 3 8 2
12:12 < rxr> 3 8 3
12:12 < rxr> ?
12:12 < rxr> the log contains
12:12 < rxr> Failed (ERROR)
12:12 < rxr> Connect script failed
12:14 < valentin> yep
12:14 < valentin> the numbers say the same thing
12:15 < valentin> see ppp_status.hh
12:15 < rxr> aha - those numbers where not obvious to me -
12:15 < valentin> first number is status, second number is error code, third number is connection time
12:16 < rxr> and why is it clibing when it is not connected ...
12:16 < rxr> .o(am I pedantic ... ?)
12:16 < CIA-7> rene * r9531 /trunk/package/scientific/scilab/scilab.desc: * updated scilab (3.0 -> 3.1.1)
12:18 < valentin> the connection time is difference between connection date and now
12:18 < valentin> of course this value is only usefull while the connection is established
12:21 < rxr> you need to quote the config values for chat and co this way: '
12:21 < valentin> i could easyly set this to zero, but why should i do this test ? normaly the userinterface will not poll it
12:21 < valentin> .oO
12:21 < valentin> quoting, yes ...
12:21 < valentin> this is on my issue paper
12:22 < rxr> - chat_init "at&d2&c1"
12:22 < rxr> - chat_dial ATDT879876
12:22 < rxr> + chat_init 'at&d2&c1'
12:22 < rxr> + chat_dial 'ATDT879876'
12:22 < valentin> i knew something is left
12:22 < rxr> otherwise chat will due random junk ...
12:22 < valentin> some things are not quoted at all ...
12:22 < valentin> like essids etc
12:22 < valentin> i wanted to change that
12:22 < valentin> but if you want a hotfix, just change line
12:22 < rxr> well - I call again ..
12:36 < rxr> send (at&d2&c1^M)
12:36 < rxr> expect (OK)
12:36 < rxr> ^M
12:36 < rxr> at&d2&c1^M^M
12:36 < rxr> OK -- got it
12:36 < rxr> send (ATDT019161^M)
12:36 < rxr> expect (CONNECT)
12:36 < rxr> ^M
12:36 < rxr> ATDT019161^M^M
12:36 < rxr> CONNECT -- got it
12:36 < rxr> send (^M)
12:36 < rxr> Serial connection established.
12:36 < rxr> using channel 1
12:36 < rxr> Using interface ppp0
12:36 < rxr> Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/tts/0
12:38 < rxr> but serpnp does right now refuse to work ...
12:38 < valentin> hm
12:41 < rxr> # ./a.out /dev/tts/0
12:41 < rxr> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
12:41 < rxr> it does not like UltraSPARC either ...
12:43 < rxr> (gdb) bt
12:43 < rxr> #0 0xfffff800000131fc in ?? ()
12:43 < rxr> #1 0xfffff800000118f0 in ?? ()
12:43 < rxr> Previous frame identical to this frame (corrupt stack?)
12:43 < rxr> ouhm
12:43 < valentin> i get that all day
12:43 < valentin> is this qt ?
12:45 < rxr> no serpnp on UltraSPARC
12:45 < rxr> PnP checksum: 0xB31
12:45 < rxr> checksum error!ELS8318
12:45 < rxr> CLASS: MODEM
12:45 < rxr> DESCRIPTION: MicroLink 56k
12:45 < rxr> Resetting port ...
12:45 < rxr> ^- RS/6k
12:46 < valentin> hm
12:46 < rxr> I think the UltraSPARC is a toolchain problem - I'm just boostrapping a sprac64 system with 32bit user-space anyway ...
12:46 < valentin> checksum error ? maybe some endianess bug ?
12:46 < rxr> no - I always got this
12:46 < rxr> either the modem sends crap or my code is not yet right
12:46 < rxr> ignore it ...
12:46 < rxr> only matcvh for CLASS: and DESCRIPTION:
12:47 < rxr> I need to visit the toiled and get a fresh coffe
12:48 < rxr> and I also thin a pullover - bibber
13:01 < rxr> valentin: what about a new svn repository: Exact Config Make -> ecm ,-)
13:01 < valentin> but not today
13:01 < rxr> and svn:external the rules and co in gsmp, embeddedSTL, hotplug++, netconf ... ...
13:01 < rxr> of course not ...
13:17 < rxr> du -csh ooo
13:17 < rxr> 220M ooo
13:17 < rxr> ouhm
13:20 < rxr> --- Warning - OO.o will not work without a mounted /proc filesystem ---
13:20 < rxr> ...
13:21 < rxr> OO.o will not work wihtout huge amounts of disk space and RAM and the universe mounted ...
13:21 < rxr> # oowriter1.9
13:21 < rxr> no suitable windowing system found, exiting.
13:21 < rxr> what the s*it f*cking h*ll ...
13:21 < rxr> can people stop handing sun employees too many drugs ?
13:23 < jeru> rxr: you mean not handing out too much burgers and coke ;)
13:24 < rxr> is there a difference ?
13:24 < jeru> no :)
13:24 < rxr> so - I can not test ooo in the chrooted livecd - but need to either boot it in some emulator or real hw - just because ooo is full of such strange checks ...
13:24 < rxr> thanks sun - for wasting my time ...
13:28 < rxr> 5GB+ freed on the RAID 5 by deleting lars' videos ,-)
13:28 < CIA-7> rene * r9532 /trunk/package/base/man-pages/man-pages.desc: * updated man-pages (2.02 -> 2.03)
13:32 < CIA-7> rene * r9533 /trunk/package/base/lsof/lsof.desc: * updated lsof (4.74 -> 4.75)
13:33 < jeru> rxr: just a note: zlib has some "outside of the base dir problems" in stage 1 too ... I solved this by commenting out the prefix='' line in zlib.conf, but doesn't know if it's correct. why was the default prefix overwritten, anyway ?
13:34 < CIA-7> rene * r9534 /trunk/package/multimedia/dvbd/dvbd.desc: * updated dvbd (0.7.6 -> 0.7.7)
13:34 < rxr> ouhm - even I do not know that detail off hand - svn blame on the file is usual a good way to remember or find out ...
13:37 < jeru> rxr: hmmm ... never used svn blame ... but don't think about it further. I guess we all have much time today, so we can check this later ;)
13:40 < CIA-7> rene * r9535 /trunk/package/network/squid/squid.desc: * updated squid (2.5.STABLE9 -> 2.5.STABLE10)
13:40 < valentin> damn QT signals
13:46 < valentin> hm, if the objects of the former .so change, the application is not relinked
13:47 < rxr> hm
13:48 < valentin> this was valid, as long as it was an .so
13:49 < valentin> so the application only reacts to interface changes
13:49 < rxr> add the libs as depend to the final binary?
13:50 < valentin> this can be dangerous
13:50 < valentin> afaik the makefile trys to compile them
13:50 < CIA-7> rene * r9536 /trunk/package/x11/afterstep/afterstep.desc: * updated afterstep (2.1.0 -> 2.1.1)
13:52 < valentin> what is this sh....
13:53 < rxr> ?
13:54 < valentin> the binary does not change
13:56 < valentin> hm, why do i still have the old makefile ?
13:57 < rxr> old makefiel ?
13:58 < valentin> it still links the .so
13:59 < rxr> sure?
13:59 < rxr> why do you think so ?
14:00 < valentin> LIBS := $(SYSLIBS) -L. -lnetconf_configtree
14:01 < valentin> ah - ok
14:02 < CIA-7> rene * r9537 /trunk/package/gnome2/totem/totem.desc: * updated totem (1.0.1 -> 1.0.3)
14:03 < CIA-7> rene * r9538 /trunk/package/kde/kiosktool/kiosktool.desc: * updated kiosktool (0.9 -> 1.0)
14:04 < CIA-7> rene * r9539 /trunk/package/multimedia/easytag/easytag.desc: * updated easytag (0.31 -> 1.1)
14:06 < valentin> rxr: i fixed some issues now
14:07 < valentin> esp ppp does auto-hangup on error now (was just a typo in q QT slot name)
14:07 < rxr> and I squash the live fs for a test right now - takes 15min++ - I think I grab some pizza or so in that time ...
14:07 < rxr> auto hangup ?
14:07 < rxr> valentin: btw. regarding the modem - did you find it ?
14:07 < valentin> ifdown on error and display error code
14:07 < valentin> kerstins ?
14:09 < valentin> the live cd's ppp support will be unusable
14:09 < valentin> just as a warning
14:10 < jeru> valentin: why ?
14:12 < rxr> valentin: define unusable ...? what is the problem ?
14:12 < valentin> not the ppp, the netconf
14:12 < valentin> take head
14:12 < valentin> just again a fucking qt slot
14:15 < valentin> jeru: no problem for you
14:15 < valentin> i just talked about rxr's test version
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14:31 < rxr> Klage gegen Nokia wegen Freisprechfunktion in Handys Der finnische Erfinder Jari Lahtinen hat Nokia in Finnland wegen Patentmissbrauchs verklagt. In seiner Klage wirft er dem Handy-Riesen vor, gegen ein 2003 erteiltes Patent zu verstossen, das die Bedienung eines Mobiltelefons vorsieht, ohne dies daf?r in die Hand nehmen zu m?ssen
14:31 < rxr> http://golem.de/0506/38523.html
14:32 < rxr> 319863 extents written (624 MB)
14:32 < rxr> ^- including ooo
14:33 < valentin> rxr: `which serpnp` ?
14:33 < rxr> /usr/sbin/serpnp
14:33 < rxr> ?
14:33 < valentin> ok
14:34 < valentin> works as normal user ?
14:34 < rxr> serpnp ? only if you have access to the device
14:34 < rxr> thus normally not
14:35 < valentin> so we need another sudo rule for it ?
14:36 < rxr> valentin: you could also do all with one netconf-helper sudo script ...
14:37 < valentin> hm
14:41 < valentin> ok, i just put it into the helper
14:46 < valentin> so emerged serpnp and tested - just that i have no modem
14:46 < valentin> rxr: can you svn up, make install and do a sudo /sbin/netconf-copy.sh serpnp to see if it matches the modem ?
14:47 < mnemoc_> hi zombie-valentin, rxr
14:48 < valentin> must eat brain...
14:48 < rxr> ouhm
14:48 < rxr> hi mnemoc_
14:49 < rxr> ouhm - valentin my serial port on the athlon is in a strange state ... and does not want to serpnp the modem right now ...
14:49 < valentin> ok
14:49 < valentin> then we trust it works :)
14:49 < rxr> valentin: did you write if you have located k. modem ?
14:49 < valentin> yes :**((
14:50 < valentin> win siff
14:53 < mnemoc_> http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/5-glibc-bootdisk.err <--- anyone see the error?
14:54 < valentin> rxr: i want to sleep a bit soon
14:54 < rxr> well - go sleeping ...
14:54 < rxr> I think we'll not release the cd before midnight anyway
14:55 < rxr> and with this overdue it does not matter much anyway
14:55 < jeru> hi mnemoc_
14:55 < mnemoc_> valentin: you can't die before finishing netconf
14:55 < mnemoc_> jeru: hi
14:55 < valentin> mnemoc_: it's ready - try it
14:55 < valentin> but do not complain if it eats your config
14:55 < jeru> mnemoc_: btw, I've done a svn up and restarted desktop build for 2.1
14:55 < mnemoc_> valentin: ppp qalso?
14:56 < rxr> [pid 5048] open("/dev/tts/0", O_RDWR|O_NOCTTY
14:56 < rxr> ^ on my athlon - some previous ppp run put the device into a state where serpnp hangs opening it ...
14:56 < valentin> mnemoc_: if you take the head version, you can try out
14:56 < valentin> at least the config works
14:57 < CIA-7> chris * r9540 /trunk/package/network/pound/pound.desc: * updated pound (1.8.2 -> 1.9)
14:57 < valentin> rxr: is the netconf dir public available ?
14:57 < mnemoc_> valentin: good, go and rest in peace now :)
14:57 < valentin> thank you
14:58 < rxr> sure
14:58 < valentin> good night
14:58 < rxr> n8 valentin
14:58 < valentin> maybe i'll be awake this night again
14:58 < valentin> cu
14:59 < mnemoc_> cu valentin
14:59 < rxr> mnemoc_: never saw this error beside now in your log ...
15:00 < CIA-7> chris * r9541 /trunk/package/python/python-ldap/python-ldap.desc: * updated python-ldap (2.0.6 -> 2.0.7)
15:01 < rxr> woa - 33kB this P2P climbing too new highs ...
15:01 < rxr> guess I really have to adapt my firewall some time soon ...
15:02 < mnemoc_> :)
15:03 < rxr> 42kB - my god ...
15:03 < mnemoc_> l7-filter is great detecting p2p so you can mark them, shape them and QoS them :)
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15:03 < rxr> ouhm - even more to read - thta will takes days to get this wifi cracker out of my net ...
15:04 < rxr> why does the wifi industry ship that insecure access points - I can not belive others utilize my net ... :-(
15:08 < rxr> mnemoc_: my sparc64/32 build is progressing ...
15:09 < mnemoc_> rc2 will be out beofre rc1 :D
15:09 < netrunner> rxr: why don't you simply send him nacks for all of his packets? :)
15:10 < mnemoc_> does AP support that?
15:14 < rxr> valentin: # ./netconf-copy.sh serpnp /dev/tts/1
15:14 < rxr> MicroLink 56k
15:15 < mnemoc_> rxr: what happen if two usr/share/application-registry/%.applications file describe the same mime?
15:15 < mnemoc_> rxr: and if two usr/share/mime-info/%.{mime,key} define the same mime?
15:17 < rxr> no idea
15:19 < mnemoc_> :(
15:19 < rxr> oh - my gravis bashing succeeded - they will exchange my top case of my iBook that is falling appart ,-)
15:20 < rxr> just some letters to tell them I would sue them otherwise and w'll meet in court - and - whoops - there it is ,-)
15:20 < mnemoc_> hehe
15:21 < rxr> well - I have not payed for an extra inssurange that will not pay in the case the thing falls apart ...
15:22 < rxr> and according to the "text/contract" they would even pay when it gets stolen I destroy it in whatever way - and they they tell me falling appart itself is not included ...
15:22 < mnemoc_> pff
15:25 < rxr> you name it ...
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15:48 < rxr> hi mipe
15:48 < rxr> how are you ?
15:48 < mipe> hi rxr
15:48 < jeru> hi mipe
15:48 < mipe> good,been busy at work. and doing some premilinary research for my thesis
15:48 < mipe> and how have you been guys?
15:49 < mipe> and hi rxr,jeru
15:49 < rxr> oh - mostly fine, too ,-)
15:49 < rxr> mipe: is your home box up again ?
15:50 < mipe> rxr: nope :( , theres nobody near that house, so i guess we have to wait till friday
15:50 < rxr> ok
15:58 < CIA-7> chris * r9542 /trunk/package/archiver/zlib/zlib.conf:
15:58 < CIA-7> * removed premake hook, which has modified the Makefile
15:58 < CIA-7> * added var_append makeinstopt " " "mandir=$root/$mandir" as replacement for the former premake hook
15:58 < CIA-7> * splitted var_append's into seperated lines for better readability
16:03 < mnemoc_> rxr: on a second build of 5-glibc it build
16:04 < rxr> we had some other stray issue, too - myaybe PARALLEL ?
16:06 < mnemoc_> doesn't look like a parallelism problem
16:07 < rxr> but?
16:07 < rxr> this is long:
16:07 < mnemoc_> looks like nothing :(
16:07 < rxr> # file bin/bash
16:07 < rxr> bin/bash: ELF 32-bit MSB executable, SPARC32PLUS, V8+ Required, Sun UltraSPARC1 Extensions Required, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
16:07 < mnemoc_> :)
16:08 < mnemoc_> (uses shared libs)? why don't explain what a shared library is also?
16:09 < rxr> that was file - not ldd ,-)
16:09 < rxr> file has some magics - but not a parser for god and the world ,-)
16:10 < mnemoc_> :)
16:10 < rxr> tough that would certainly be nice - just produce a GB sized binary or library set *g*
16:10 < rxr> file some-audodesk-3dmax-file.whatever-the-ext-was ,-)
16:10 < rxr> 3dm?
16:11 < mnemoc_> :D
16:11 < rxr> whatever ...
16:11 < rxr> AutoCAD was .dwg ... and this exchange thing .dxf ...
16:11 < jeru> rxr: ack
16:11 < rxr> what was 3Dmax ...hm - too long out of the buisiness ...
16:12 < CIA-7> amery * r9543 /branches/2.1/package/archiver/zlib/zlib.conf: * merged 9365,9542 from trunk: fixed zlib to use our mandir on a valid top-level dir
16:12 < mnemoc_> <@IdleBot> mnemoc was taught to run quickly by a secret tribe of pygmies that know how to, among other things, run quickly! This wondrous godsend has accelerated them 1 day, 11:40:57 towards level 57.
16:13 * mnemoc_ runs quickly
16:15 < jeru> mnemoc_: perhaps you should learn "rolling" instead of "running". I thinks it's more efficient ;)
16:16 < mnemoc_> i don't roll... yet :)
16:16 < mnemoc_> do you?
16:16 < jeru> nah ! :)
16:17 < jeru> I "rolled" in younger ages .... so I know how to do it ;)
16:17 < mnemoc_> :)
16:18 < jeru> ok .. cu later ... rolling home now :)
16:18 < mnemoc_> cu jeru
16:19 < mnemoc_> rxr: http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/regressions.html <--- 17 of 1580.... what should i do with .cache files?
16:19 < mnemoc_> mipe: ping
16:19 < jeru> cu mnemoc_
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16:20 < mipe> mnemoc_: pong
16:20 < mtr_> re
16:20 -!- mtr_ is now known as mtr
16:21 < mipe> hi mtr
16:21 < mtr> hi mipe
16:21 < mnemoc_> mipe: do you have time for fix sun-*-150/gnome?
16:21 < mnemoc_> hi mtr
16:21 < mtr> hi mnemoc_
16:22 < mipe> gnome?
16:22 < mnemoc_> there is an AddGnome function inside .bin
16:22 < mnemoc_> which produce this share: http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/log/5-sun-jre-150.err
16:23 < keinek> is a good moment for build a stable??
16:23 < mnemoc_> keinek: yes
16:23 < mnemoc_> i was thinking in changing it to use ${_icon}-jre (or -jdk) instead of just ${_icon}
16:23 < keinek> ok
16:24 < keinek> i will download the stable for clean my computer.
16:24 < keinek> i copy only download
16:24 < keinek> and my target :)
16:26 < mipe> mnemoc_: do you wanna get rid of whole AddGnome stuff?
16:27 < mnemoc_> mipe: should i?
16:27 < mnemoc_> mipe: i was thinking about changing it
16:29 < mipe> mnemoc: well its just gnome registry stuff, i'll just comment the calls out...
16:29 < mnemoc_> mipe: :)
16:29 < mnemoc_> mipe: ok
16:30 < rxr> 37kB ...
16:30 < mnemoc_> go p2p go
16:32 < rxr> > - Can you give an example of an operation which may yield an undefined
16:32 < rxr> > non-deterministic result which is reliably useful for anything?
16:32 < rxr> Hm. int foo (const char *x, int y) { return printf (x, y); }
16:32 < rxr> ^- ouhm
16:33 < mnemoc_> o_O
16:35 < mipe> mnemoc_: http://koti.japo.fi/~pmika/registry-and-mime-fixes.patch
16:35 < mipe> i hope that helps
16:35 < mipe> contains the earlier mime fixes too
16:36 < mnemoc_> your previous mime-fixes was wrong
16:36 < mipe> mnemoc: really?
16:36 < mnemoc_> if; then; things can't be empty
16:36 < rxr> 886 MB .iso - where do I burn that on ... ?
16:36 < mipe> oh crap, hold on, i'll fix that too
16:37 < mnemoc_> mipe: sync with 2.1 HEAD and fix that one :)
16:37 < mnemoc_> and add 'remove AddGnome' to that one i mean
16:37 < mnemoc_> http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/branches/2.1/package/java/sun-jre-150/mime-type-remove.diff
16:39 < mnemoc_> mipe: you can commit the change if you want
16:39 < mnemoc_> oh... damn... i have to go.
16:40 < mnemoc_> cu
16:51 < rxr> cu mnemoc_
16:53 < rxr> == 14:36:32 =[1]=> Building base/texinfo [4.8 2.2.0-alpha].
16:53 < rxr> -> Altering arch_{machine,target} to sparc ...
16:53 < rxr> -> Reading package configuration from package directory.
16:53 < rxr> -> Preparing build in src.texinfo.1118241385.1622.0
16:53 < rxr> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/1-texinfo.out
16:53 < rxr> !> Apply patch /t2-trunk/package/base/texinfo/configure.pat ..
16:53 < rxr> !> patching file configure.ac
16:53 < rxr> !> Creating /t2-trunk/build/default-2.2.0-alpha-sparc64-v9v ..
16:53 < rxr> !> Running builtin autogen script.
16:53 < rxr> !> ./scripts/functions: line 771: libtoolize: command not f ..
16:53 < rxr> I have no libtoolize on my minimal SPARC system ...
16:53 < rxr> seems we have a new regression that 1-libtool needs libtoolize now ...
16:53 < rxr> 1-texinfo even ...
16:53 < rxr> the new texinfo just sucks - I vote for downdate ...
16:53 < rxr> ouhm
16:54 < rxr> mp3 from windows people sound just bad ...
16:54 < rxr> again a 192kbs mp3 that sound like a pc-speaker in a cola tin ..
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17:15 < rxr_> rehi
17:16 < rxr_> cool - I found the semi-final key to get this grave hack removed that is so problematic on 64bit systems ,-)
17:25 < rxr_> # FIXME: To remove some day.
17:25 < rxr_> if test "x$host_alias" != x; then
17:25 < rxr_> if test "x$build_alias" = x; then
17:25 < rxr_> cross_compiling=maybe
17:25 < rxr_> lol
17:25 < rxr_> fuzzy logic shell code ,-)
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17:46 < mtr> rxr_: the last texinfo fix was from me, did not thought about libtool regressions ...
17:46 -!- You're now known as rxr
17:47 < mtr> maybe we could avoid this by changing configure instead of configure.ac
17:47 < rxr> yep
17:47 < mtr> i will test this
17:49 < rxr> do you prepare it now? my SPARC build is lingering on that package ...
17:51 < mtr> yes, already created new patch
17:51 < mnemoc_> re
17:51 < rxr> hey mnemoc_
17:52 < mtr> hi mnemoc_
17:52 < mnemoc_> hi rxr, mtr
17:53 < mnemoc_> rxr: i think if we provide good installable base systems we can worry less about stage 1 dependencies
18:00 < rxr> mnemoc_: I build on a minimal T2 ...
18:00 < rxr> when it is not buildable there, ... I care ...
18:00 < mnemoc_> :(
18:00 < mnemoc_> bad bad
18:00 < rxr> I should setup a xen domain to continously bootstrap T2 on a minimal T2 ...
18:01 < CIA-7> mtr * r9544 /trunk/package/base/texinfo/ (configure.patch.cross texinfo.conf): * texinfo cross: change configure instead of configure.ac to avoid libtool dependency
18:01 < mnemoc_> mtr: :D
18:03 < mtr> texinfo fix commited ...
18:04 < rxr> sparc build continues we'll see
18:05 < mnemoc_> rxr: tell me when should i merge
18:05 < mnemoc_> please :)
18:05 < rxr> the sparc changes or what ?
18:05 < mnemoc_> texinfo
18:06 < rxr> ah - yep
18:06 < mnemoc_> how much change sparc64 will do to non sparc64 and non 64 archs?
18:10 < rxr> well
18:10 < rxr> some - one quite intrusive
18:11 < rxr> but it is also needed to fix a real grave bug - also affecting any 32/64bit biarch system ...
18:11 < rxr> but when we have build it a few time it should be tested well enough
18:11 < rxr> I already regression test it anf fixed the first obvious issues ...
18:12 < mnemoc_> should i merge something to rc1 to preserve 'branch stability'?
18:12 < mnemoc_> between rc2 and rc1
18:13 < rxr> well - it should be ready today
18:14 < rxr> merge - let's build it a somewhere tag ,-)
18:15 < mnemoc_> 'a somewhere tag'? :\
18:15 < rxr> s/where tag/where, tag/
18:15 < mnemoc_> ok
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18:29 < mnemoc> mtr_: you removed the patch you published :(
18:31 < mnemoc> mtr_: found the newone, thanks
18:34 < rxr> http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=ie6
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18:35 < mnemoc> rxr: thanks!
18:37 < rxr> ?
18:38 < mnemoc> most new win32 apps need ie dlls
18:39 < mnemoc> and instructions to install ie6 on winhq are messy and outdated
18:40 < mnemoc> i have XP at home just to run ms project and visio.... i hope i can install/run them on wine if i install ie6
18:40 < rxr> http://sidenet.ddo.jp/winetips/config.html
18:41 < rxr> Q: Setup crashes during installation! A: Installation of Internet Explorer fails with wine 200502* 200503* 200504*. We recommend wine 200412* for installation. Once you have finished installing Internet Explorer, you can try newer wine :-) Let's have a look at ~/.wine/sidenet/wcs.log and find out what caused the crash.
18:42 < mnemoc> uhm
18:42 < mnemoc> downdate?
18:43 < mnemoc> nah
18:43 < rxr> Q: Wine get's really unstable when compiled with CFLAGS="-O4 -fomit-frame-pointer -ffast-math etc..." A: Use dafault optimization option ("-O2").
18:44 < mnemoc> .oO
18:44 < sepp> hello
18:44 < mnemoc> hi sepp
18:44 < rxr> guess the Q: is I use Gentoo and wine is unstable ... ,-) Who else does try non-existing -O4 ...
18:44 < sepp> hi mnemoc, rxr
18:45 < mnemoc> hehe
18:45 < sepp> like mplayer
18:46 < sepp> -O4 ...
18:52 < rxr> yes - some freaky bash script is downloading windows IE and throwing it into wine - /me curious if it works thereafter ...
18:54 < rxr> Setting up Internet Explorer 6 ...
18:55 < rxr> 39 0x777f7e6b DialogBoxIndirectParamA+0x2b in user32 (0x77a7fa30)
18:55 < rxr> 40 0x7773232f PROPSHEET_CreateDialog+0x18f in comctl32 (0x77a7fa60)
18:55 < rxr> 41 0x77734ff1 PropertySheetA+0x2d1 in comctl32 (0x77a7fa8c)
18:55 < rxr> fixme:dbghelp:sffip_cb NIY on 'ie6wzdex.pdb'
18:55 < rxr> 42 0x0101bdd9 in ie6wzd (+0x1bdd9) (0x77a7fb1c)
18:55 < rxr> 43 0x0101bfa3 in ie6wzd (+0x1bfa3) (0x80000002)
18:55 < rxr> 44 0x00900100 (0x00000100)
18:55 < rxr> 45 0x00000000 (0x00000000)
18:55 < rxr> 0xb7ecc441 kill+0x11 in libc.so.6: movl %edx,%ebx
18:55 < rxr> ouhm
18:56 < rxr> I seem to hit:
18:56 < rxr> Q: Setup crashes during installation! A: Installation of Internet Explorer fails with wine 200502* 200503* 200504*. We recommend wine 200412* for installation. Once you have finished installing Internet Explorer, you can try newer wine :-)
18:56 < CIA-7> amery * r9545 /branches/2.1/package/kde/kde-i18n-bg/ (. kde-i18n-bg.cache kde-i18n-bg.conf kde-i18n-bg.desc): * merged 8916,8917 from trunk: added kde-i18n-bg (3.4.0)
18:57 < mnemoc> rxr: is it downloading ie6 on english or german?
18:58 < rxr> I think it is from a japanese or so person - so you better ask is it downloading .jp or .en ...
18:59 < rxr> in fact it asks on shell script invocation - but no idea what version it grabed ...
19:00 < rxr> this FAQ is cool:
19:00 < rxr> Q: I have wine 2001xxxx and ... A: Please use wine >=200407*
19:00 * mnemoc going for food
19:00 < mnemoc> :)
19:00 < mnemoc> we need a FAQ like that :p
19:00 < mnemoc> cu
19:01 < rxr> Q: I have ROCK x.y and ... A: Pleace update to T2 >= 2.1 ,-) ?
19:01 < mipe> :)
19:02 < rxr> or my SPARC build does stop with lots of erros when building tools ... A: Please fix your system compiler or grab a prebuilt T2 ...
19:03 < rxr> yeah - FAQs are cool
19:03 < rxr> Q: I get a build error and ... A: Yeah - please fix it and send the patch in. ,-)
19:20 < _Ragnar_> moin
19:25 < rxr> moin rxr
19:25 < rxr> moin _Ragnar_
19:28 < rxr> with the older wine IE installer indeed start ... :-(
19:28 < rxr> tough no text ...
19:40 < rxr> ouhm IE installing in wine ...
19:40 < rxr> interesting ...
19:42 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/ie-installing-t2.png
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20:06 < mnemoc> re
20:08 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/ie-installing-t2.png
20:10 < mnemoc> should i download wine to 20041019 on 2.1?
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20:10 < jeru> re hi
20:10 < mnemoc> until 'they' support a newer one?
20:10 < mnemoc> hi jeru
20:11 < jeru> mnemoc: have you seen the regression report for 2.1 bootdisk I started ? ;)
20:12 < mnemoc> mine build almost flawless
20:12 < mnemoc> i had to rebuild 5-glibc
20:12 < mnemoc> weird
20:13 < mnemoc> jeru: was yours straight forward?
20:14 < jeru> mnemoc: yes
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20:14 < jeru_> lu
20:14 < mnemoc> uhm
20:14 < jeru> uhm? who is that jeru_ ?
20:14 < jeru_> I am me
20:15 < jeru_> I am a man
20:15 < jeru_> :)
20:15 < mnemoc> isn't jeru man also?
20:15 < jeru> mnemoc: of course I am ;)
20:15 < mnemoc> so, jeru == jeru_
20:15 < jeru> nah!
20:17 < jeru_> non
20:17 < jeru_> it's another person
20:17 < mnemoc> anyway, jeru2... what brings you here?
20:18 < jeru> no I'm a bit confused ... but btw, how you doing jeru_ ?
20:18 < jeru_> hmm
20:18 < jeru_> I would like change my nick to jeru
20:18 < jeru_> also jerusalem
20:18 < jeru_> And i see jeru is always pri
20:18 < jeru_> so it's no important
20:18 < jeru_> just say hello to you
20:18 < jeru_> I must so
20:18 < jeru> hello jeru_
20:19 < jeru_> se you later
20:19 < jeru_> ++
20:19 < jeru_> so = go
20:19 < jeru_> salut jeru :)
20:19 < jeru_> je re ce soir
20:19 < jeru_> I come back tonight
20:19 < mnemoc> 'tonight' is very subjective
20:19 < jeru_> in few hours
20:19 < jeru> jeru_: c'est ne pas un problem
20:20 < jeru_> héhé :)
20:20 < jeru_> +++
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20:21 < jeru> hmmm ? strange things happening here ... :)
20:21 < CIA-7> amery * r9546 /branches/2.1/package/java/sun-jre-150/mime-type-remove.diff: * changed sun-{jre,jdk}-150 to not install gnome registry stuff, then they wont share those files. (dumb but works)
20:21 < jeru> .oO( should I change my nick ?)o
20:23 < mnemoc> do you have it registered?
20:23 < jeru> mnemoc: no
20:23 < jeru> mnemoc: is your name registered
20:23 < mnemoc> sure
20:23 < jeru> mnemoc: why sure ?
20:24 < mnemoc> it's mandatory considering my nick is my only identity
20:26 < CIA-7> amery * r9547 /branches/2.1/target/desktop/config.in: * merged 8934 from trunk: added tcp_wrappers package because portmap needs it
20:27 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/ie.png
20:28 < mnemoc> rxr: using the script of following the instructions?
20:28 < rxr> mixed the script and instructinos and lot of trial and error
20:29 < mnemoc> rxr: should i download wine to 20041019 on 2.1? (version recommended at http://www.von-thadden.de/Joachim/WineTools/ )
20:30 < mnemoc> downdate*
20:30 < CIA-7> amery * r9548 /branches/2.1/package/x11/afterstep/afterstep.desc: * merged 8936 from trunk: updated afterstep (2.00.04 -> 2.1.0)
20:36 < mnemoc> rxr: did texinfo patch solved the problem?
20:36 < rxr> yes - but there still is another ...
20:36 < rxr> maybe just do not update texinfo in 2.1
20:36 < rxr> if you have revert the update ...
20:36 < rxr> I would not revert wine
20:37 < rxr> note in a minute
20:38 < mnemoc> i have texinfo 4.7
20:39 < mnemoc> so i don't need to patch?
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20:40 < rxr> ?
20:41 < rxr> mnemoc: I don't know we haev 4.8 - that has the problem
20:41 < rxr> I know a previous version is not affected but I do not remeber if it was 4.6 or 4.7
20:41 < mnemoc> ok
20:41 < rxr> maybe just wait if someone hits it ...
20:42 < rxr> regarding wine
20:42 < rxr> the old version does crash on naturally speaking setup ...
20:42 < rxr> I'm rebuilding wine 20050419 again ..
20:42 < mnemoc> :\
20:42 < mnemoc> big dilema
20:43 < rxr> yeah - seems 2004 install - and update
20:43 < rxr> and then regularly make ~/.wine ~/c snapshots to restore from ,-)
20:43 < rxr> I already asked on the wine list - maybe we get some answer
20:44 < rxr> hm - didn't I commit 20050524 before
20:44 < rxr> damn - /me updating again ..
20:47 < CIA-7> rene * r9549 /trunk/package/emulators/wine/wine.desc: * updated wine (20050419 -> 20050524)
21:11 < CIA-7> sebastian * r9550 /trunk/package/graphic/xchm/xchm.desc: * updated xchm (0.9.8 -> 1.0)
21:25 < mnemoc> paragui also depends on swig....
21:27 < CIA-7> sebastian * r9551 /trunk/package/graphic/hugin/hugin.desc: * updated hugin (0.5-beta4 -> 0.5_rc1)
21:34 < mnemoc> rxr: is 9529 the first sparc64 commit?
21:35 < mnemoc> rxr: i couldn't find the start point for merging those commits
21:35 < mnemoc> those revisions*
21:35 < rxr> mnemoc: don't merge yet
21:35 < rxr> there are a few changes left
21:35 < rxr> better not start pulling them until all is polished
21:35 < rxr> maybe tag -rc1 without those
21:36 < mnemoc> ok, i'll test swig update and tag
22:05 < CIA-7> sebastian * r9552 /trunk/package/x11/fluxbox/fluxbox.desc: * updated fluxbox (0.9.12 -> 0.9.13)
22:09 < CIA-7> sebastian * r9553 /trunk/package/graphic/pixie/ (location.patch pixie.desc): * updated pixie (1.4.1 -> 1.4.2)
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22:15 < CIA-7> sebastian * r9554 /trunk/package/network/libotr/libotr.desc: * updated libotr (2.0.1 -> 2.0.2)
22:15 < CIA-7> sebastian * r9555 /trunk/package/network/gaim-otr/gaim-otr.desc: * updated gaim-otr (2.0.1 -> 2.0.2)
22:21 < CIA-7> sebastian * r9556 /trunk/package/graphic/sharpconstruct/sharpconstruct.desc: * updated sharpconstruct (0.0.7 -> 0.0.8)
22:37 < CIA-7> sebastian * r9557 /trunk/package/network/webmin/webmin.desc: * updated webmin (1.180 -> 1.210)
22:48 < CIA-7> sebastian * r9558 /trunk/package/develop/hte/hte.desc: * updated hte (0.8.0 -> 0.9.0)
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23:01 < CIA-7> sebastian * r9559 /trunk/package/graphic/cinepaint/cinepaint.desc: * updated cinepaint (0.19-0 -> 0.19-1)
23:33 < rxr> what the h*ll
23:33 < rxr> these days it is possible to run autocad 14 in wine?
23:33 < rxr> http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=acad14
23:35 < morfoh> rxr: I can't remember what the problem was regarding following compile error from fgetty
23:35 < morfoh> gcc -o login login.o ltostr.o -s -lcrypt
23:35 < morfoh> login.o(.text+0x366): In function `main':
23:35 < morfoh> login.c: undefined reference to `strlcpy'
23:35 < morfoh> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
23:35 < morfoh> make: *** [login] Error 1
23:35 < CIA-7> sebastian * r9560 /trunk/package/scientific/maxima/maxima.cache: * fixed the maxima.cache to use gcl, not the 99% not working clisp
23:38 < morfoh> rxr: we had this fgetty problem before, but I don't know how we handled it
23:40 < CIA-7> sebastian * r9561 /trunk/package/scientific/wxmaxima/wxmaxima.desc: * updated wxmaxima (0.6.0 -> 0.6.1)
23:47 < rxr> morfoh: hm
23:47 * rxr neither
23:48 < rxr> what is your build uclibc only or dietlibc?
23:48 < rxr> the big libowfat bug was fixed
23:48 < morfoh> rxr: no, it's glibc + dietlibc
23:48 < morfoh> rxr: libowfat was build
23:49 < sepp> whois morfoh ?
23:50 < morfoh> sepp: me ;)
23:50 < sepp> lol
23:50 < morfoh> sepp: know you know .... ;)
23:51 < rxr> ehrm - AutoCAD is indeed running in wine now ...
23:51 < rxr> unbelievable ...
23:51 < morfoh> rxr: :)
23:51 < sepp> morfoh: hum what you know that i know?
23:52 < morfoh> sepp: I know you made some logos for t2 ;)
23:53 < sepp> iirc i know who i am
23:53 < sepp> lol
23:54 < morfoh> sepp: I really hope that you know who you are :)
23:55 < sepp> :)
23:55 < sepp> i do
23:57 < morfoh> sepp: good :)
23:58 < morfoh> rxr: was fgetty build in trunk with the recent version of dietlibc ... I'm using 0.28 from 2.1
23:58 < morfoh> version of dietlibc I mean
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