--- Log opened Thu Jun 02 00:00:56 2005 00:50 -!- madtux [~mike@65.182.14.29] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:11 -!- sparc-kly [~sparc-kly@65-23-201-193.prtc.net] has joined #t2 01:12 -!- sparc-kly [~sparc-kly@65-23-201-193.prtc.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:28 -!- sparc-kly [~killbox@65-23-201-193.prtc.net] has joined #t2 02:28 < sparc-kly> my desktop screenshot http://solaris.ath.cx/solaris10.png 02:58 -!- rxr_ [~rene@e178146108.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 02:58 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta4 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 02:58 -!- Topic set by menomc [] [Sat Apr 16 00:33:34 2005] 02:58 [Users #t2] 02:58 [ _Lewellyn] [ dualopteron] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly ] 02:58 [ _Ragnar__] [ jascha ] [ mtr ] [ rxr_ ] [ sparc-kly[u5]] 02:58 [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ nzg ] [ SerWou] [ valentin ] 02:58 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal] 02:58 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 02:58 -!- [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 02:58 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 11 secs 03:06 -!- rxr [~rene@e178141193.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:38 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.15.81] has joined #t2 03:38 < keinek> hi 03:39 < sparc-kly> hi keinek 03:39 < keinek> sparc-kly, go to t2-es 04:36 -!- sparc-kly [~killbox@65-23-201-193.prtc.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:08 < _Lewellyn> wow. the channel already has a split? ;) 06:21 < keinek> yes _Lewellyn 06:22 < keinek> we have a spanish channel. 06:22 < keinek> but two people is in there. 06:22 < keinek> Now i was translate the web page of t2. 06:22 < keinek> About, Quick Start... 06:23 < keinek> and will upload to www.t2-project.com.ar 06:23 < keinek> for use the translator in the future in the new web page of t2 06:23 < keinek> :) 06:40 < _Lewellyn> give me an hour and a half. 06:40 < _Lewellyn> i'll translate. 06:40 < _Lewellyn> into drunken english :) 06:41 -!- mnemoc_ [~amery@200.75.27.74] has joined #t2 06:41 < _Lewellyn> it's sad that work is stressing me out enough lately that i go drinking every night :( 06:43 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.75] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 07:32 < rxr_> re 07:32 < rxr_> hey - glibc built on sparc64 07:33 < rxr_> so maybe it was the cmd_wrapper, too ,-)! 07:33 -!- You're now known as rxr 07:35 < _Lewellyn> morning rxr 07:36 < keinek> look 07:36 < keinek> is just a test 07:36 < keinek> http://www28.websamba.com/radio24/index.html 07:36 < keinek> about, and the quick start is translate. 07:36 < keinek> i hope that mnemoc like my spanish. 07:36 < keinek> :P 07:36 < keinek> ok, i go to sleep. 07:37 < keinek> i will back in the morning. 07:37 < keinek> bye bye 07:37 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.15.81] has quit ["Abandonando"] 07:38 < _Lewellyn> rxr: btw, how far off is a livecd with the boot loader background? :) 07:39 < rxr> isn't it already available ... ? 07:39 < rxr> yes, it should be on my rsync location 07:40 < _Lewellyn> hm. wasn't when i synced the other day :/ 07:41 < CIA-9> rene * r9317 /trunk/scripts/Build-Pkg: 07:41 < CIA-9> * removed debugging code comitted yesterday with the stricter top-level 07:41 < CIA-9> handling 07:41 < _Lewellyn> wonder if my cd burner is really borking this thing 07:41 -!- jascha_ [~jascha@99e692e09bcee03a.session.tor] has joined #t2 07:48 < rxr> hm - you are right 07:51 -!- jascha [~jascha@cfa806244f5fc7f9.session.tor] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:53 < rxr> Longhorn Drops 'My' Prefixes 07:53 < rxr> "Microsoft has decided to drop the "my" prefixes for Longhorn. Instead of "My Computer," it will be just just plain simple "Computer". " 07:54 < _Lewellyn> heh. just got that in another channel on another net :) 07:54 < _Lewellyn> 22:55 .: Lint: so the windows system folder will no longer be called "my steaming feces" 07:55 < rxr> sent 4103928 bytes received 167553 bytes 28381.93 bytes/sec 07:55 < rxr> my recent live cd code drop including the themed grub ,-) 07:55 < _Lewellyn> sweet 07:56 < rxr> oh, now they (Apple) are already at Mac OS X 10.4.2 07:56 < _Lewellyn> ya 07:56 < _Lewellyn> i've made it a point to not buy my 5pack still 07:56 < _Lewellyn> i want to wait till the thing stabilizes to save time with updates when reinstalling 08:08 < _Lewellyn> wrote 167621 bytes read 4103917 bytes 10665.51 bytes/sec 08:11 < rxr> e75a5a5ddb316066ebc72a876c0f3e98 t2.iso 08:12 < CIA-9> rene * r9318 /trunk/package/kde/kxdocker/kxdocker.desc: * updated kxdocker (0.31 -> 0.33) 08:13 < _Lewellyn> it matches, thank you. 08:13 < _Lewellyn> i'll burn it first thing in the morning and see what happens. 08:13 < _Lewellyn> i'll use a different burning program, just in case. 09:42 < rxr> re 09:46 < rxr> == 02:53:42 =[5]=> Building kde/qt [3.3.4 2.2.0-alpha]. 09:46 < rxr> == 06/02/05 07:35:26 =[5]=> Finished building package qt. 09:46 < rxr> not exactly light-speed ..? 09:52 < rxr> cool - a real 64bit sparc64 xclock and qt designer come up ,-) 10:22 < CIA-9> rene * r9319 /trunk/package/base/xen-tools/ (. xen-tools.cache xen-tools.conf xen-tools.desc): * added xen-tools (2.0.6) 10:25 < rxr> 1673 packages in tree 10:29 < CIA-9> rene * r9320 /trunk/package/base/xen-tools/no-init.patch: * fixed xen-tools to not install init scripts 11:14 < rxr> cups is damn crap ... 11:14 < rxr> again debugging the ebast ... 11:32 < rxr> beast even 11:44 < rxr> beast even 11:44 < rxr> wonderful - now cups does: 11:44 < rxr> *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x08066fc0 *** 11:48 < rxr> D [02/Jun/2005:11:47:36 +0200] [Job 11] ESP Ghostscript 7.07.1: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1 11:48 < rxr> how I like all this crap ... 11:50 < rxr> seems to be cause by --enable-debug 11:50 < rxr> seems to be quite useful if debugging output is passed into ghostscript and thus aborted ... 11:50 < rxr> damn 12:02 -!- jeru [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2 12:02 < jeru> moin 12:03 < rxr> moin jeru 12:05 < jeru> hi rxr 12:14 < rxr> I soon start my own printing system 12:14 < jeru> oh! 12:14 < rxr> this damn non-working cups crap .. 12:20 < jeru> rxr: some weeks ago we shortly discussed a partition layout for embedded systems booting from i.e. CF. What do you think would be best? 12:20 < rxr> hm - strange - I really have no clue why this cups beasts sometimes hands 100 dpi has hardwrae resolution to the rasterizer for my laser printer - and sometimes 600 12:20 < rxr> of course the printer only wants 600 dpi or more ... 12:20 < rxr> and just repsonses 100 dpi not supported ... 12:20 < rxr> who the h 12:21 < rxr> *ll coded this crap .. 12:21 < rxr> jeru: depends if you want it static - or dynamically updatedable (firmwrae flashing ...) 12:21 < rxr> if static, just throw some squasfs for all onto i 12:21 < rxr> t 12:21 < jeru> rxr: I'd like to have a remotly updatable system 12:21 < rxr> if you need s.th. writable you need to use s.th. else or combine it with other filesystems of overlay moutns 12:22 < rxr> jeru: when do you want to discuss it? now? 12:23 < jeru> if you have time 12:23 < rxr> I'm in getting this cups beast fixed to reliable print to my laser printer ... 12:23 < jeru> ok ...fix you cups 12:23 < rxr> because always I need s.th. to print urgently this damn print system mishandles the data to 100dpi and thus I can not print the damn page ... 12:23 < rxr> jeru: when do you need your embedded target? yesterday? 12:24 < jeru> rxr: yes ... I know printing is very annoying atm 12:24 < rxr> just because cups sucks so majorly. .. 12:24 < rxr> and too bad it is the best we have :-(((((((((((( 12:24 < jeru> rxr: yes ... yesterday would be nice 12:25 < jeru> rxr: ack ... atm momen cups is the best, but not as optimal as it could be 12:25 < rxr> SCO: Linux-Lizenzen legen zu 12:25 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/60184 12:25 < rxr> gegen?ber 11.000 Dollar im gleichen Quartal des Vorjahres konnte man 30.000 Dolla 12:25 < rxr> wow - we nearly earn more with T2 than SCO with linux licenses ... 12:26 < jeru> yeah ... :) 12:29 < jeru> it's strange to see how SCO changed it's "face" during the last years ... 12:30 < rxr> well - they want to give up - and the choose the most bizarre way to do so ... 12:33 < jeru> rxr: I guess ... the new "owners" (shareholders) strategy was to bleed out the company because they knew that there will be less oportunities for them in future, because there are more mature OS's for free ... 12:35 < rxr> I see only T2 - are the others? 12:36 < jeru> rxr: good propaganda ;) 12:37 < jeru> rxr: I guess we know why we choosed t2 :) 12:53 < rxr> hm - on another file pstops from cups seems to crash 12:54 < rxr> what the h*ll did those poor people solder together 12:54 < rxr> my o my ... 13:10 < jeru> I'll try to make more packages embedded target / uclibc aware ... 13:13 < rxr> jeru: we could do an embedded BOF some time soon if you want to discuess fslayout, compress binary delta remote update, ... 13:21 < jeru> rxr: BOF ? 13:22 < rxr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOF 13:22 < rxr> birds of a feather, 13:23 < jeru> rxr: hehe ... wikipedia is your friend ;) 13:26 < rxr> # cupsd 13:26 < rxr> cupsd: Child exited on signal 15! 13:26 < rxr> grummel ... 13:26 < rxr> so much to: 13:26 < rxr> == 13:19:44 =[9]=> Building printing/cups [1.2.x-r4528 2.2.0-alpha]. 13:26 < rxr> == 06/02/05 13:22:43 =[9]=> Finished building package cups. 13:32 < rxr> ouhm - how long do I tinker with cups now ?!? 13:33 < rxr> E [02/Jun/2005:13:31:58 +0200] Unknown directive ???c??=??t?? on line 166. 13:33 < rxr> ... 13:33 < rxr> E [02/Jun/2005:13:31:58 +0200] Unknown directive ???c??=??t?? on line 846. 13:33 < rxr> X [02/Jun/2005:13:31:58 +0200] No valid Listen or Port lines were found in the configuration file! 13:33 < rxr> they are kidding - are they? 13:33 < rxr> wriring config file parser for noobs page 1 or what ?!?!? 13:38 < jeru> no default values ? 13:39 < rxr> I think trivial point arithmetic bugs or so 13:39 < rxr> it corrupts it's memory buffer with the content read from the config file I think 13:50 < rxr> try to print s.th. in the morning and your day is ruined ... 13:54 < jeru> rxr: I know what you're talking about :/ 13:58 < jeru> Creating file list and doing final adaptions ... 13:58 < jeru> Created file outside allowed top-level dir: doc 13:58 < jeru> Created file outside allowed top-level dir: doc/uclibc 13:58 < jeru> Created file outside allowed top-level dir: doc/uclibc/COPYING.LIB 13:58 < jeru> Created file outside allowed top-level dir: doc/uclibc/DEDICATION.mjn3 13:58 < jeru> Created file outside allowed top-level dir: doc/uclibc/INSTALL 13:58 < jeru> Created file outside allowed top-level dir: doc/uclibc/README 13:58 < jeru> Created file outside allowed top-level dir: doc/uclibc/TODO 13:58 < jeru> Created file outside allowed top-level dir: doc/uclibc/.config 13:58 < jeru> --- BUILD ERROR --- 13:59 < jeru> hmmm ... this is from 0-uclibc 13:59 < rxr> this is why I added the check 13:59 < jeru> from embedded derived target 14:00 < rxr> I have not yet rebuild all with the stricted checking 14:00 < rxr> this check is new since last night ... 14:01 < jeru> any hints ... what I can check ? 14:01 < rxr> it really is in the top level dir of the build? 14:01 < rxr> if so fix uclibc to not copy it there ... 14:07 < jeru> TOOLCHAIN/tools.cross/usr/doc/uclibc/ <- it shouldn't be there right ? 14:08 < rxr> usr doc is ok 14:08 < rxr> $root/doc is not 14:09 < jeru> but there is no $root/doc 14:09 < jeru> so why it complains about it ? 14:10 < rxr> hm - maybe just ignore it for now - touch build/.../var/adm/0-uclibc.log and continue 14:10 < rxr> I review later 14:10 < jeru> ok ... thanks :) 14:14 < jeru> rxr: btw, can we load an entire LiveCD image into RAM during boot ? 14:15 < rxr> oehm? you mean when you have 1GB of RAM ? 14:16 < jeru> I mean ... If I have a small livecd (not the full blown) 14:16 < jeru> sth. < 100MB 14:17 < rxr> well - why would you want that? 14:17 < rxr> remove the CD again? 14:18 < rxr> aside the CD removal it just wasts a lot of RAM ... 14:18 < jeru> hmmm ... jascha asked for that 14:18 < rxr> if RAM is available linux will allready use all free to cache the CD ... 14:21 < jeru> rxr: it seems that the stricter checking have produced a lot of site effects so far 14:22 < jeru> smae problems with binutils 14:27 < rxr> okok I start the embedded build now 14:30 < jeru> rxr: my intention wasn't to disturb you while you're working ... it was just a note ;) 14:30 < rxr> another note: CUPS is the ugliest piece of crap 14:38 < jeru> afaics ... the problems are with doc, man, info, crosscc, i386-t2-linux-uclibc, libexec dirs 14:42 < CIA-9> chris * r9321 /trunk/package/textproc/libxml/libxml.desc: * changed build priority (128.800 -> 120.800) because shared-mime-info package depends on it 14:47 < jeru> rxr: the strict checking issue seems just to apply for stage 0 14:57 < jeru> rxr: should I add embedded aware packages just at the bottom of config.in and we'll sort it later ? 14:59 < jeru> rxr: and forget about the stage 0 assuption ... zlib failed in stage 1 15:02 < CIA-9> chris * r9322 /trunk/target/embedded/config.in: * added gmp package, which builds out of the box on the embedded target 15:12 < rxr> re 15:14 < rxr> jeru: buttom for now 15:29 < jeru> ok 15:32 < valentin> solved part of my problems 15:32 < jeru> oh! :) hi valentin 15:33 < valentin> hi jeru 15:33 < valentin> wasted my whole day because i forgot to add a terminating token into some meta-information string 15:33 < valentin> caused dcop to segfault 15:34 < valentin> s/dcop/kuniqueapplication 15:36 -!- jascha_ [~jascha@99e692e09bcee03a.session.tor] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:14 < jeru> have to move ... cu 16:15 -!- jeru [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:44 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.15.81] has joined #t2 16:44 < keinek> hi 16:47 < rxr> hi 17:00 < CIA-9> rene * r9323 /trunk/scripts/Build-Pkg: 17:00 < CIA-9> * only run the top-level directory check in stage 1 and up - too much 17:00 < CIA-9> violatoins in stage 0 due to and symlink construct 17:00 < CIA-9> * allow root for the top-level dir, since some toolkits write profile 17:00 < CIA-9> data into it while starting intermediate helpers ... 17:20 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFD9D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 17:21 < jeru> re hi 17:23 < rxr> hi jeru 17:23 < jeru> rxr: did I missed sth. important during the last hour ? 17:24 < rxr> I fixed your issue ... 17:25 < jeru> rxr: oh! many thanks, you're the best :) 17:25 < jeru> rxr: what was the problem 17:26 < rxr> the usr -> . symlink in the tools dir 17:28 < rxr> I disabled the check for stage 0 ... 17:29 < rxr> and added /root to the not complaint list - since qt wxwidgets and whatever add .whatever files there ... 17:29 < jeru> ok ... but I retracted my assumption that it just occurs during stage 0 17:30 < rxr> yep - because of the usr -> . symlink in tools.cross/ ... 17:33 < jeru> just a note, if somebody has problems on 64bit targets with a package that depends on gnutls, version 1.2.4 of gnutls (like in t2-trunk) will probably fix it 17:58 < mnemoc_> hi 17:58 < jeru> hi mnemoc :) 17:59 < mnemoc_> what do you think merge-marathon before or after tagging rc1? 17:59 < mnemoc_> merge-marathon will postpone the tag, of course 17:59 < jeru> mnemoc_: hmmm ... it depends on the unsolved issues from the ref build 18:00 < jeru> mnemoc_: I think solving the open issues is important before tagging rc1, or isn't it ? 18:01 < jeru> mnemoc_: but perhaps we can solve some gnome issues with merging !?! 18:01 < mnemoc_> jeru: sure but we don't have an active issue tracker yet 18:02 * mnemoc_ is open to merge requests 18:02 < mnemoc_> i'll do massive [M] replacements for now 18:03 < jeru> mnemoc_: ok ... I stop playing with embbeded target, and continuing issue tracker work now 18:19 < mnemoc_> thanks 18:20 < mnemoc_> rxr: did you discovered why debug.sh is not mounting loop and friends? 18:23 < rxr> oh - I can review this later on 18:23 < rxr> when I fixed this broken shit called cups ... 18:24 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.15.81] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:24 < mnemoc_> rxr: why broken? 18:26 -!- mtr_ [~Michael@p54AF940C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 18:28 < rxr> because people are unable to write sane code ... 18:28 < rxr> no idea yet why - the synthom is that it rasters some prints for my laser printer and other not .. 18:29 < mnemoc_> isn't that .ppd fault? 18:31 < rxr> huh? .ppd is just a printer descriptoin not executed code .. 18:31 < rxr> no - it is cups fault 18:31 < rxr> sometimes it decides to raster at 100 dpi - though my printer does only do 600 dpi and up ... 18:31 < rxr> thus the printer rasterizer does say "100 dpi not supported" 18:32 < rxr> the .ppd clearly lists only 600 and 1200 dpi ... 18:32 < rxr> and the cups code is brain dead anyway - it always starts at 100dpi and then tries some back and forth tweaking until the parameters match 18:32 < rxr> tough sometimes it fails to go to 600dpi or more ... 18:33 < rxr> no idea why they do not just use the user set parameters and min/max on the printer supported ones instead of this ping pong death ... 18:37 < mnemoc_> ic 18:41 -!- mtr [~Michael@p54AF8C67.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:42 < jeru> mnemoc_: can you merge clearsilver package please ? 18:47 < mnemoc_> jeru: which revs? 18:48 < jeru> oh ??? moment pls. 18:48 < mnemoc_> :) 18:49 < jeru> r9105 18:50 < rxr> 14:51.96 cc1plus 18:50 < rxr> ^- compiling and swapping on a 360Mhz Ultra SPARC ... 18:50 < rxr> building kdelibs ... 18:53 < rxr> oh - I forgot to addd - the above is one file only ... 18:53 < rxr> pasted from top 18:54 < mnemoc_> can i standarize valentin [M]s to 'Valentin Ziegler ' ? 18:55 < rxr> think so 18:55 < rxr> please do all mods on 2.1 and trunk 18:56 < mnemoc_> on trunk first :) 18:56 < rxr> good 18:56 < CIA-9> amery * r9324 /trunk/misc/archive/fixmaintainer.sh: * added fixmaintainer.sh, an small helper to change and list [M]s 18:57 < rxr> mnemoc_: I have some strange contact from someone in the US that wants to hype Via based boxes to schools, medical offices and other industry partners 18:57 < rxr> and he choose T2 to base on 18:57 < rxr> it is not yet clear what he expects us to do and how much money we could generate with this - but I let it going - maybe it yields s.th. 18:58 < mnemoc_> rxr: sure :) 19:00 < mnemoc_> rxr: i'll send a mail with the [M]s audit 19:01 < rxr> oki 19:01 < mnemoc_> rxr: so we can decide who support T2 and who doesn't 19:01 < mnemoc_> rxr: and why jeru has 6 different kind of [M]s 19:01 < jeru> oh! 19:02 < jeru> thought I changed it ... 19:02 < mnemoc_> i'll do it massively 19:05 < rxr> http://ou800doc.caldera.com/ 19:05 < rxr> http://www.caldera.com/ 19:05 < rxr> ^- they still do s.th. with that name ... 19:07 < CIA-9> rene * r9325 /trunk/package/printing/cups/ (cups.conf cups.desc setprinter.patch): 19:07 < CIA-9> * fixed cups to not patch, but use the install wrapper to transform 19:07 < CIA-9> names (it is too time wasting to adapt the patch for any version) 19:07 < CIA-9> * use a less touchy ftp server as original file source ... 19:09 < rxr> hm - ok the 2nd point was not too important - damn - well, anyway ... 19:13 < CIA-9> amery * r9326 /trunk/package/ (8 files in 8 dirs): * changed valentin's packages to use 'Valentin Ziegler ' as [M] 19:23 < CIA-9> amery * r9327 /trunk/misc/archive/fixmaintainer.sh: * changed fixmaintainer.sh to 'just list' on -list, and 'list and count' on -count 19:24 < mnemoc_> rxr: Rene Rebe or René Rebe? 19:24 < mnemoc_> rxr: ascii or iso8859-1? 19:32 < valentin> mnemoc_: i often [M]'ed ziegler@informatik... 19:32 < valentin> btw, what about @t2-project emails ? 19:32 < mnemoc_> valentin: ok, what's your full official mail address 19:33 < valentin> take the exactcode one 19:33 < mnemoc_> i would like to have @t2-project.org forwards for core team :) 19:33 < valentin> me too 19:34 < valentin> should easy to do 19:34 < mnemoc_> rene told me he is currently unable to handle virtual domains 19:34 < mnemoc_> everyone @exactcode.de would be @t2-project.org and on the other way 19:35 < mnemoc_> what is wrong 19:36 < mnemoc_> valentin: i can provide MX virtualization for @t2-project.org but chile is distant for most people :) 19:37 < CIA-9> amery * r9328 /trunk/package/ (7 files in 7 dirs): * changed rene's packages to use 'Rene Rebe ' as [M] 19:38 < mnemoc_> jeru: 'Christian Wiese ' or 'Christian Wiese ' ? 19:38 < valentin> mnemoc_: email is asynchronous - who cares about milliseconds ? 19:39 < mnemoc_> valentin: ok :) 19:39 < valentin> as long as your service is relieable 19:40 < mnemoc_> i'll be down on july first (ISP change) 19:43 < mnemoc_> uhm i have 9,11 on red on my irssi bar 19:44 < CIA-9> amery * r9329 /trunk/package/ (contrib/gnapster/gnapster.desc graphic/cowsay/cowsay.desc): 19:44 < CIA-9> * changed 'Miguel A. Bolanos ' to 'Miguel Bolanos ' on [M]s 19:44 < CIA-9> * changed 'Miguel Bolanos ' to 'Miguel Bolanos ' on [M]s 19:49 < CIA-9> amery * r9330 /trunk/package/develop/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 19:49 < CIA-9> * changed 'Minto van der Sluis ' to 'Minto van der Sluis ' 19:49 < CIA-9> * changed 'Minto van der Sluist ' to 'Minto van der Sluis ' 19:52 < jeru> mnemoc_: choose the first one atm 19:53 < mnemoc_> jeru: ok 19:59 < CIA-9> amery * r9331 /trunk/package/ (23 files in 23 dirs): 19:59 < CIA-9> * changed 'Christian Wiese ' to 'Christian Wiese ' 19:59 < CIA-9> * changed 'Christian Wiese ' to 'Christian Wiese ' 19:59 < CIA-9> * changed 'Christian Wiese ' to 'Christian Wiese ' 19:59 < CIA-9> * changed 'Christian Wiese ' to 'Christian Wiese ' 19:59 < CIA-9> * changed 'Christian Wiese ' to 'Christian Wiese ' 20:00 < jeru> mnemoc_: thx :) 20:00 < mnemoc_> valentin: Valentin Ziegler ? 20:00 < mnemoc_> jeru: np :) 20:01 < valentin> mnemoc_: what for 20:01 < mnemoc_> valentin: [M]s 20:02 < mnemoc_> valentin: do you want MX t2-project.org at chile? ok, i'll start setting my smtp for that 20:03 < mnemoc_> valentin: point it to mail.geeks.cl 20:03 < mnemoc_> valentin: the name, not the IP 20:04 < valentin> mnemoc_: you can forward the mails to the ziegler@ ... adress 20:04 < mnemoc_> valentin: yes 20:05 < mnemoc_> valentin: should i stop [M] changes until we get MX pointing to my server? 20:06 < valentin> think so, for i would use the t2-project stuff for [M] then 20:06 < mnemoc_> valentin: can you reply the audit mail with the request please? 20:09 < rxr> what MX are you talking about 20:09 < rxr> of course our server can handle @t2-project.org addresses - what is the problem ? 20:12 < mnemoc_> rxr: told me 20:12 < mnemoc_> rxr: exactcode.de <-> t2-project.org 20:13 < mnemoc_> rxr: if you can set them and handle them separated, you keep it :) 20:13 < mnemoc_> rxr: i was just offering a quick solution 20:13 < rxr> sure - I only said I would need to reconfigure exim - but that is not an task as difficult as debugging thru this cups junk ... 20:14 < mnemoc_> rxr: :) 20:14 < mnemoc_> rxr: can you? 20:14 < rxr> well - do two more days without @t2-project.org matter that much 20:14 < rxr> mnemoc_: I try - mostly the whole day to get this strange bug untwisted 20:15 < mnemoc_> rxr: i'm worried about [M]s thing... not really about @t2-project.org 20:15 < rxr> tqcupsdqwqipp 20:15 < rxr> x tqpstops 20:15 < rxr> x tqpstorasterqqqgs 20:15 < rxr> x mqrastertokm2430d 20:16 < rxr> and you all want @t2-project.org for the migration ? 20:17 < mnemoc_> .oO 20:17 < rxr> .oO(what? 20:17 < mnemoc_> :) 20:18 < mnemoc_> valentin does, and i think he is right 20:18 < rxr> well - even if we would have (soon have) @t2-project.org - I would use exactcode.de for most mails anyway ... 20:18 < rxr> why not ? 20:19 < mnemoc_> i'm ok with svn.ec.de 20:19 < mnemoc_> and the the ML 20:19 < mnemoc_> to PR our 'sponsor' 20:19 < mnemoc_> but for package maintaining and for t2 direct PR @t2-project.org 20:19 < rxr> ok ok - people ... 20:20 < rxr> if you want them now - I could just add the aliases 20:20 < rxr> it would take a free time slot one of the next days to really sepearte them 20:20 < mnemoc_> and virtualize later? ok 20:20 < rxr> for now you would be reachable via alejandro@exactcode.de of falk-heubner.de as well ... 20:20 < rxr> ,-) 20:20 < mnemoc_> please, not alejandro 20:21 < rxr> what is so bad about your name ? 20:21 < rxr> what else then ? 20:21 < mnemoc_> amery 20:21 < rxr> or a.mery ,-) ? 20:21 < mnemoc_> amery 20:21 < rxr> okok 20:21 < mnemoc_> :) 20:21 < mnemoc_> or mnemoc ;) 20:22 < mnemoc_> but alejandro is exclusive for family :) 20:22 < rxr> .oO(we are not a familly ,-) 20:22 * rxr snifs 20:22 < mnemoc_> nobody else calls me that way 20:22 < mnemoc_> sure, you can call me alejandro 20:22 < mnemoc_> but T2 users don't 20:23 < rxr> so I should stop using Alejandro when I mean you in mails on the t2 list ? 20:23 < mnemoc_> _you_ can 20:23 < mnemoc_> but i wont feel conformatable is people i don't know call me that way 20:24 < rxr> okok - so I write A.Mery the next time ,-) 20:24 < mnemoc_> nah 20:24 < mnemoc_> Alejandro is ok 20:24 < mnemoc_> but alejandro@... 20:24 < mnemoc_> amery :) 20:25 < mnemoc_> i have been 'Mery' since 20 years ago 20:25 < mnemoc_> and 'amery' at university since 9 years ago 20:26 < mnemoc_> i'm used to it, an 'Alejandro' is to personal for a mail _address_ 20:26 < mnemoc_> most people don't even know how i'm named :p 20:29 < rxr> ok 20:29 < rxr> so you want the addresses now, so you can continue sed runs ? 20:30 < mnemoc_> amery@falk-heubner.de is fun :) 20:30 < mnemoc_> rxr: :) 20:30 < rxr> .oO? 20:30 < mnemoc_> the 'accident' due to non-virtualization links me to unthought places :) 20:31 < rxr> amery@rocklinux-consulting.de 20:31 < mnemoc_> :) 20:31 < mnemoc_> exactcode.de is more prestigious 20:34 < mnemoc_> rxr: 'The T2 Project ' or "T2's Community " or something like that? 20:34 < rxr> The T2 Project 20:34 < mnemoc_> :( ok 20:37 < valentin> btw: falk@t2-project.org will work too, i guess :) 20:37 < mnemoc_> :D 20:38 < rxr> falk does not have addresses - he wanted to keep his bass gmx address .. 20:38 < rxr> but valentin and rene @ work ,-) 20:38 < rxr> this is also the reason why I still have not bothered to setup virtual domains in exim ... 20:38 < mnemoc_> :) 20:38 < rxr> what so far was important is rene and valentin and the lists ... 20:39 < CIA-9> amery * r9332 /trunk/package/x11/ (6 files in 6 dirs): 20:39 < CIA-9> * changed 'Aitor P?\195?\169rez Iturri ' to 'The T2 Project ' 20:39 < CIA-9> * changed 'Aitor P?\195?\169rez Iturri ' to 'The T2 Project ' 20:39 < mnemoc_> rxr: t2@t2-project.org then? 20:39 < rxr> yep 20:39 < mnemoc_> or sponsored? 20:39 < rxr> no need ,-) 20:40 < mnemoc_> :) 20:40 < rxr> we are not easy software products that enforce branding everywhere ,-) 20:41 < mnemoc_> hehe 20:42 < mnemoc_> i liked [M] T2 Developer Team 20:42 < rxr> the use that one ... 20:42 < mnemoc_> 5930 mtr [M] T2 Developer Team 20:42 < mnemoc_> .oO( squad? )o 20:43 < mnemoc_> :p 20:43 < mnemoc_> i'll use the official for now 20:48 < CIA-9> amery * r9333 /trunk/package/ (67 files in 67 dirs): 20:48 < CIA-9> * changed 'The T2 Project ' to 'The T2 Project ' 20:48 < CIA-9> * changed 'The T2 Project ' to 'The T2 Project ' 20:48 < CIA-9> * changed 'T2 Developer Team ' to 'The T2 Project ' 20:50 < CIA-9> amery * r9334 /trunk/misc/archive/ (fmnewpackage.sh newpackage.sh): * changed newpackage.sh and fmnewpackage.sh to use t2@t2-project.org as default [M] 20:58 < CIA-9> amery * r9335 /trunk/package/security/libgpg-error/libgpg-error.desc: * changed 'Aitor P?\195?\169rez Iturri ' to 'The T2 Project ' 20:59 < rxr> mnemoc_: how was your exam ? 21:00 < mnemoc_> bad :\ 21:00 < valentin> .oO 21:00 < rxr> oh - damn - how bad ? 21:00 < valentin> what was the exam about ? 21:01 < mnemoc_> julio cesar and roman imperialism :) 21:01 < rxr> ouhm ? 21:01 < rxr> what do you study - computer science ? 21:01 < mnemoc_> yep 21:01 < rxr> what was the exam about ? 21:01 < mnemoc_> julio cesar and roman imperialism :) 21:01 < rxr> ouhm 21:01 < rxr> aha 21:02 < rxr> but it is not some main part of the study ? 21:03 < mnemoc_> i have to take two core curses of non-related carriers, 6 of religious formation and 6 of miscelaneous curses 21:03 < mnemoc_> miscelaneous includes music, sports, arts, etc... 21:04 < mnemoc_> humans rights, medical ethics, or dante aligheri :) 21:05 < mnemoc_> those are '5 credits' curses 21:05 < mnemoc_> core curses are '10 credits' curses 21:06 < mnemoc_> i need 20 of 'amplitude', 30 of 'theology, philosophy and related' and 30 of 'misc' 21:06 < mnemoc_> this one is amplitude 21:08 < mnemoc_> and 500 of maths, physics, chemistry, engineering (including mechanics, transports, industrial, econocmics,...), and computer science :) 21:09 < mnemoc_> two practices (non-skilled and technical), two big exams (licenciature (4 years) and degree (7 years)) and a thesis 21:10 < mnemoc_> sucks 21:16 < rxr> I read sucks? must be cups 21:16 < mnemoc_> nah 21:17 < mnemoc_> i like the curse, but i was to tired to 'cite' stuff on that exam 21:18 < mnemoc_> rxr: aren't you forced to take 'unrelated' curses? 21:18 < rxr> yes - but I would not think about it if one did not go too well 21:18 < mnemoc_> courses* 21:18 < rxr> and the unrelated courses are not too complex or so anyway 21:19 < mnemoc_> mine are 'core courses' of another carrier :\ 21:19 < mnemoc_> so they have the complexity of that carrier 21:19 < mnemoc_> 5 credits courses tend to be less complex 21:20 < jeru> our unrelated courses are mostly SAP propaganda ;) 21:20 < mnemoc_> 1 credit per 90 minutes you need to give the course per week 21:20 < mnemoc_> SAP? 21:22 < jeru> mnemoc_: the institute is founded and financed by Hasso Plattner (one of the SAP founders) 21:22 < mnemoc_> :p 21:22 < jeru> and that's why it's called "Hasso Plattner Institut" but it's "part" of the University Potsdam 21:23 < mnemoc_> i guess no institut here is called with the name of a living person 21:24 < jeru> mnemoc_: btw, I give a sh*t on SAP :P 21:24 < CIA-9> amery * r9336 /trunk/package/ (103 files in 103 dirs): * changed george packages to 'Juergen "George" Sawinski ' 21:24 < mnemoc_> jeru: GNUe :D 21:24 < jeru> what URL do we wanna have for trac ? trac.t2-project.org or t2-project/trac ? 21:26 < mnemoc_> devel.t2-project.org ? 21:26 < rxr> with what kind of content ? 21:26 < jeru> issue tracker 21:26 < mnemoc_> trac is a issue tracker+wiki linked to an svn repo 21:26 < rxr> not the usual bugs. or issues. ? 21:26 < mnemoc_> bugs are issues 21:26 < mnemoc_> merge requests are issues :) 21:27 < jeru> mnemoc_: you're an issue ;) 21:27 < mnemoc_> :( 21:27 < mnemoc_> your rat is also an issue 21:28 < jeru> don't cry mnemoc_ it wasn't intended as negative description 21:28 < mnemoc_> :) 21:28 < jeru> and youÄre right ... the rat is an issue too ;) 21:29 < jeru> mnemoc_: I like devel.t2-project.org too 21:30 < rxr> http://developer.kde.org 21:30 < rxr> http://developer.apple.com 21:30 < rxr> what about this long form ? 21:31 < mnemoc_> long :) 21:31 < mnemoc_> http://developer.t2-project.org/ overflow 21:31 < rxr> we like long forms,- ) 21:31 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.199.29.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 21:31 < mnemoc_> :p 21:31 < sepp> hi 21:31 < mnemoc_> hi sepp 21:31 < rxr> hi sepp 21:31 < jeru> rxr: no problem with that ... we could even set an alias ;) 21:31 < sepp> hi mnemoc, rxr 21:31 < jeru> hi sepp 21:32 < sepp> hi jeru 21:32 < sepp> is it intended that mysql libs are in /opt/mysql/lib/mysql/ ? 21:32 < mnemoc_> sepp: yes 21:33 < mnemoc_> sepp: mysql does it 21:33 < mnemoc_> sepp: they use $libdir/mysql 21:33 < sepp> ahh then it should be in /etc/ld.so.conf 21:34 < mnemoc_> .oO 21:35 < jeru> I need a replication of the t2 related stuff from svn.exactcode.de 21:36 < jeru> for using it with trac 21:36 < mnemoc_> jeru: i guess trac needs rw 21:36 < jeru> mnemoc_: I guess yes, to be fully functional 21:37 < mnemoc_> rxr: ---^ 21:37 < mnemoc_> rxr: trac @ rene's? 21:37 < rxr> hM? 21:38 < mnemoc_> rxr: svn @ jeru's? :) 21:38 < mnemoc_> .oO( rene will kill me today )o 21:38 * jeru phoning atm 21:38 < mnemoc_> phoning rxr? :) 21:39 < rxr> mnemoc_: I can not follow you 21:39 < jeru> mnemoc_: nah :) 21:39 < mnemoc_> trac works linked to project's svn repository 21:39 < sepp> hmm is there a switch to get rid of the annoying cdrecord warnings? 21:40 < mnemoc_> sepp: install solaris :) 21:40 < sepp> hehe 21:44 < CIA-9> amery * r9337 /trunk/package/ (6 files in 6 dirs): * changed 'Tobias Hintze ' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 21:55 < CIA-9> amery * r9338 /trunk/package/ (32 files in 32 dirs): 21:55 < CIA-9> * changed 'Stefan Paletta ' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 21:55 < CIA-9> * changed 'Stefan Koerner aka Ripclaw ' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 21:55 < CIA-9> * changed 'Stefan Fiedler ' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 22:02 < mnemoc_> rxr: is [M] part of checksum? 22:03 < valentin> part of what checksum ? 22:03 < rxr> I do not know off hand - I hope not 22:04 < rxr> -e '/^\[[T,I,U,A,M,L,S,C]\]/d' \ 22:04 < mnemoc_> valentin: checksum to schedule rebuilds :) 22:04 < mnemoc_> rxr: good 22:04 < valentin> ah 22:07 < CIA-9> amery * r9339 /trunk/package/ (77 files in 77 dirs): 22:07 < CIA-9> * changed 'Kent Skaar ' to 'The T2 Project ' 22:07 < CIA-9> * changed 'skaar@ita.chalmers.se' to 'The T2 Project ' 22:07 < CIA-9> * changed 'ripclaw ' to 'The T2 Project ' 22:07 < CIA-9> * changed 'Burkhard Linke ' to 'The T2 Project ' 22:07 < CIA-9> * changed 'Kai Schwenzfeier ' to 'The T2 Project ' 22:14 < CIA-9> amery * r9340 /trunk/package/ (15 files in 15 dirs): 22:14 < CIA-9> * changed 'Dimitar Jekov ' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 22:14 < CIA-9> * changed 'Dimitar Zhekov ' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 22:19 < CIA-9> amery * r9341 /trunk/package/ (16 files in 16 dirs): 22:19 < CIA-9> * changed 'Clifford Wolf' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 22:19 < CIA-9> * changed 'fake ' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 22:19 < CIA-9> * changed 'fake ' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 22:19 < CIA-9> * changed 'fake ' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 22:22 < CIA-9> amery * r9342 /trunk/package/ (52 files in 52 dirs): * changed 'Chris Efant ' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 22:22 < mnemoc_> rxr: do you know how to pdf2ps on a way it don't convert a 100k pdf into a 2.5M ps, which is converted back into a 2.4M pdf? 22:23 < rxr> :n8 all 22:26 < jeru> night rxr 22:26 < mnemoc_> night rxr 22:26 < CIA-9> chris * r9343 /trunk/package/python/mod_python/mod_python.desc: * updated mod_python (3.1.3 -> 3.1.4) 22:27 < CIA-9> amery * r9344 /trunk/package/ (14 files in 14 dirs): 22:27 < CIA-9> * changed 'Sebastian Jaenicke' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 22:27 < CIA-9> * changed 'Sebastian Jaenicke ' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 22:27 < CIA-9> * changed 'Sandra Dismar ' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 22:27 < CIA-9> * changed 'Pjotr Prins ' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 22:32 < CIA-9> amery * r9345 /trunk/package/ (44 files in 44 dirs): 22:32 < CIA-9> * changed 'Daniel Jahre ' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 22:32 < CIA-9> * changed 'Daniel Jahre ' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 22:32 < CIA-9> * changed 'Daniel Pischl' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 22:32 < CIA-9> * changed 'Daniel Pischl ' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 22:32 < CIA-9> * changed 'Mathieu Doidy ' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 22:37 < mnemoc_> jeru: can you set trac without the repository? 22:37 < CIA-9> amery * r9346 /trunk/package/ (46 files in 46 dirs): 22:37 < CIA-9> * changed 'Alessandro Ferrari ' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 22:37 < CIA-9> * changed 'Chris Hamilton ' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 22:37 < CIA-9> * changed 'Chris Hamilton {Ext maintainer}' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 22:37 < CIA-9> * changed 'Michael Obster ' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 22:37 < CIA-9> * changed 'Nikolaus Filus ' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 22:37 < CIA-9> * changed 'Nikolaus Filus ' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 22:47 < CIA-9> amery * r9347 /trunk/package/ (67 files in 67 dirs): 22:47 < CIA-9> * changed 'Andreas V. 'netrunner' Meier ' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 22:47 < CIA-9> * changed 'Benjamin Schieder ' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 22:47 < valentin> gn8 rxr 22:47 -!- veki [~vedran@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 22:47 < jeru> mnemoc_: no ... atm I'm testing it on a test repo 22:48 < valentin> mnemoc_: ps is not compressed, so it is much bigger than pdf 22:48 < valentin> if it contains bitmaps 22:49 < valentin> convert to .ps.gz for a similar size 22:49 < valentin> however the question is, why the back converted version is this big 22:49 < mnemoc_> yep 22:50 < mnemoc_> and printing the original pdf takes less than one second processing per page 22:50 < mnemoc_> and the converted back version takes about 2 minutes! per page 22:51 < mnemoc_> it's just a OpenOffice(.doc) -> pdf, pdf2ps, psnup, ps2pdf :( 22:56 < valentin> uh 22:56 < valentin> that is much 23:00 < valentin> why don't you just print the ps ? 23:00 < mnemoc_> let me see what happens... 23:03 -!- veki [~vedran@217.24.19.40] has left #t2 ["Leaving"] 23:16 < mnemoc_> valentin: OpenOffice(.doc) -> print to file, 768k, psnup 790k, ps2pdf 266k :) 23:22 < mnemoc_> valentin: pdf2ps 1.4M, ps2pdf 1004K .... 23:28 < valentin> mnemoc_: please iterate it - i want to know if a fixpoint will be reached 23:28 < valentin> i mean - you cannot blow up the same information to an infinity level 23:28 < mnemoc_> ok :) 23:29 < mnemoc_> pdf2ps print-3.pdf print-4.ps; du -sh print-4.ps 23:29 < mnemoc_> 22M print-4.ps 23:30 < mnemoc_> it's exponential :) 23:30 < valentin> what does the content look like ? 23:30 < mnemoc_> $ ps2pdf print-4.ps print-4.pdf; du -sh print-4.pdf 23:30 < mnemoc_> 1005K print-4.pdf 23:30 < mnemoc_> valentin: just text 23:31 < valentin> but does it look different over the mutated generations ? 23:31 < mnemoc_> identical 23:31 < mnemoc_> $ pdf2ps print-4.pdf print-5.ps; du -sh print-5.ps 23:31 < mnemoc_> 22M print-5.ps 23:31 < valentin> maybe if you do it for a while it will evolute into an intelligent lifeform :) 23:31 < mnemoc_> it stabilized 23:31 < mnemoc_> hehe 23:32 < mnemoc_> $ ps2pdf print-5.ps print-5.pdf; du -sh print-5.pdf 23:32 < mnemoc_> 1005K print-5.pdf 23:33 < mnemoc_> uhm... it got raster 23:33 < mnemoc_> pdf2ps rasterized it 23:36 < CIA-9> amery * r9348 /trunk/package/ (17 files in 17 dirs): 23:36 < CIA-9> * changed 'michiel Hobbelman ' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 23:36 < CIA-9> * changed 'Michiel Hobbelman ' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 23:36 < CIA-9> * changed 'Piotr Esden-Tempski ' packages to 'The T2 Project ' 23:40 < mnemoc_> brb 23:40 -!- mnemoc_ [~amery@200.75.27.74] has quit ["leaving"] 23:49 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.10.159] has joined #t2 23:49 < keinek> hi 23:50 < jeru> hi keinek 23:50 < sepp> hi keinek 23:59 < sepp> good night all --- Log closed Fri Jun 03 00:00:56 2005