--- Log opened Sat May 28 00:00:54 2005 02:34 -!- Veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 02:34 -!- Veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has quit [Client Quit] 05:07 -!- sparc-kly [~sparc-kly@65-23-199-219.prtc.net] has joined #t2 08:16 < rxr> re 08:46 < mnemoc> hi, and gn8 rxr 08:49 < rxr> n8 mnemoc 09:29 -!- mnemoc_ [~amery@200.75.27.17] has joined #t2 09:43 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.97] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:53 -!- Veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 10:01 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.215.21.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 10:03 -!- Veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.8/20050511]"] 10:58 < rxr> exit 11:08 < rxr> re 11:09 < rxr> hehe - the exit -^ was susan ,-) trying to quit my remote connection on her iBook ... 11:30 < rxr> http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/18/2033216 11:30 < rxr> ^- "Windows rapidly approaching desktop usability" 11:45 < valentin> moin rxr 11:46 < rxr> moin 11:46 < valentin> rxr: what optimization settings for your cpp test ? 11:46 < rxr> valentin: can you test my last nights c++cp code-line ? 11:46 < rxr> I used none ... 11:46 < rxr> but you can try -O2 ... 11:48 * rxr shortly away 11:53 < valentin> rxr: i did not time it yet, but it is at least 20 times slower 11:55 < valentin> system times are about 0.24s each 11:55 < valentin> user time of cat is 0.002s 11:55 < valentin> usertime of c++cp is 19.651s (!!) 11:58 < valentin> hm, copiing an 2.3mb mp3 file is much faster 11:58 < valentin> maybe the c++ buffer screws up on zero files ?? 11:59 < valentin> hm, not really 12:00 < valentin> a 2.3 mb zero file is equaly fast 12:00 < valentin> ok, here fast means 1.4s which is still 100 times slower than the cat variant 12:05 < SerWou> hello guys 12:05 < SerWou> little question : 12:05 < valentin> http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20050528.html 12:06 < valentin> hello SerWou 12:07 < SerWou> i'm booting from a t2 cd to rebuild my broken grub : i mount my partition from my HD in /mnt/t2, go in, type chroot . and mount /dev and mount /proc 12:07 < SerWou> but mount /mnt give me that : mount: none has wrong device number or fs type evfs not supported 12:07 < SerWou> i can't restore my grub like i would :( 12:09 < valentin> why do you type mount /mnt ? 12:10 < SerWou> i'm running a live cd, i want to mount my main parititon from the harddrive to be able to run stone 12:11 < valentin> where does the error show up - when mounting the partition ? 12:12 < SerWou> no 12:12 < SerWou> when i type mount /dev 12:13 < valentin> is dev mounted after that ? 12:14 < SerWou> no 12:16 < valentin> does it really say evfs or devfs ? 12:16 < valentin> the live cd has udev instead of devfs 12:17 < SerWou> evfs 12:17 < valentin> ah - evfs is extended vfs 12:18 < valentin> no idea 12:18 < SerWou> :( 12:19 < valentin> what does your fstab say about dev ? 12:22 < SerWou> 2sec 12:33 < rxr> hi 12:33 < SerWou> hello rxr 12:34 < rxr> ouhm 12:34 < rxr> at my neighbor windows is freaking up again 12:35 < rxr> she has a new USB card and a Netgear w-lan usb stick ... 12:35 < SerWou> hehe 12:35 < rxr> and when I plug it or my usb storage in - windows either reboots or display a dialog that the usb driver could not be loaded .. 12:35 < rxr> damn ... 12:35 < SerWou> she shares internet to the building 12:35 < rxr> nope - I share .. 12:35 < rxr> that is she is the first ... 12:35 < rxr> it does not matter for me if others utilize the line ... 12:35 < rxr> just that her windows sucks as usual .. 12:36 < SerWou> who said Spy ? 12:36 < SerWou> ;) 12:36 < rxr> spy ? 12:36 < valentin> re 12:37 < SerWou> a woman came yesterday to have some help (my windows is slow now, etc..) a friend did a virus scan : 2654 virus found ;) 12:37 < SerWou> spywares 12:37 < rxr> Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 12:37 < rxr> wheren't they at 6 ? 12:37 < rxr> or was that nt ? 12:37 < SerWou> no 12:37 < SerWou> for 2000, it's only SP4 12:37 < rxr> Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 6a 12:37 < SerWou> for nt, there is more SP 12:38 < SerWou> are* 12:39 < rxr> express / network install 12:39 < rxr> mircosoft confuses me 12:39 < rxr> if I want it on a cd to carry it over, I need the network install, because it is bigger and includes all ? 12:39 < rxr> or what 12:39 < rxr> damn ... 12:40 < rxr> why is it named network then ? 12:40 < SerWou> express is only the installater 12:40 < SerWou> who will download what you need from internet 12:41 < rxr> thanks 12:41 * valentin relaxing in front of his all day and night working t2 system :) 12:41 < rxr> why isn't express named network then? and entwork s.th. like normal or full ? 12:41 < rxr> valentin: me too - but you now - joe users from around ... 12:42 < rxr> I relax too, just that I hope this w-lan crap works out ... 12:42 < rxr> after all it is not my box 12:42 < SerWou> i think between when you have a working network, you download the big file on one PC and share it with others pcs on the network and install it from others pcs from the first one ;) 12:42 < rxr> btw. found out the SIS driver is not correctly mathced on the live cd .. 12:42 < rxr> she has a onboard SiS chip ... 12:42 < SerWou> god bless her 12:42 < rxr> at least it was worth s.th. for t2 .. 12:44 < valentin> tell her to use the live cd when internet surfing 12:45 < rxr> yeah - just that t2 does not boot that quick due to old K6 or so .. 12:46 < rxr> and she has a 54mbit w-lan stick that most probably will not work with linu8x 12:46 < rxr> IIRC 12:46 < rxr> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 86C326 5598/6326 (rev 92) 12:46 < rxr> ^- that she has ... 12:46 < rxr> and of couse my usb stick worked under t2 just fine - where I saved this onto ... 12:46 < rxr> ,-) 12:47 < rxr> good that microsoft still falis to deliver a desktop ready operating system 12:47 < SerWou> ;) 12:48 < SerWou> i hope she's better in real than her computer health ;) 12:49 < rxr> oh - her computer is quite healty - just not the binary image on the hard disk ,-) 12:49 < rxr> random bit pattern ... 12:53 < valentin> rxr: nope - random bit patterns are expansive, balanced and have predictable properties 12:55 < rxr> oh - sorry 12:55 < rxr> crappy bit pattern 12:55 < rxr> damn - I forgot to pull the plug on the U30 ... 12:56 < rxr> so it was warming the room and wasting power due to the shitty lucent high-amp power supply warming up even when the box is off ... 12:56 < SerWou> easy man 12:56 < rxr> SerWou: you do not know my last power bill ... 12:59 < SerWou> that's true 13:00 < SerWou> i don't know if the electricity in germany is expensive or not 13:02 < rxr> it is ... 13:02 < rxr> and it should not be wasted due to environmental polution, anyway 13:05 < SerWou> yes, of cource 13:05 < SerWou> course* 13:07 < rxr> valentin: btw. according to schilling: burnproof does reduce recording quality ... 13:07 < valentin> well, he is the expert 13:08 < rxr> burnfree 13:08 < rxr> Turn the support for Buffer Underrun Free writing on. 13:08 < rxr> This only works for drives that support Buffer Underrun 13:08 < rxr> Free technology. This may be called: Sanyo BURN-Proof, 13:08 < rxr> Ricoh Just-Link, Yamaha Lossless-Link or similar. 13:08 < rxr> The default is to turn BURN-Free off, regardless of the 13:08 < rxr> defaults of the drive. 13:08 < rxr> on linux-kernel he said it does reduce qulity so it is off 13:09 < rxr> and that one should run it suid root to mlockall and RT proirtiy the binary. .. 13:11 < rxr> I think sometime soon I'll patch the many annoying warning away from cdrecord ... 13:12 < rxr> cdrecord: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set RR-scheduler 13:12 < rxr> cdrecord: Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set priority using setpriority(). 13:12 < rxr> cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer underruns. 13:12 < rxr> Warning: Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported. 13:12 < rxr> cdrecord: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set RR-scheduler 13:12 < rxr> cdrecord: Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set priority using setpriority(). 13:12 < rxr> cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer underruns. 13:15 < rxr> and the even newer version rants about no mode specified and that it waits 5 seconds to leave you the chance to specify s.th. else ... 13:15 < rxr> and that burnfree was turned off ... 13:15 < rxr> more then one screen of crap ... 13:22 < rxr> so - cu 13:58 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: SerWou 14:13 -!- SerWou [~SerWou@82.224.107.105] has joined #t2 14:47 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.13.179] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:48 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.9.126] has joined #t2 14:51 < rxr> re 14:51 < rxr> damn - windows is a crap ... 14:52 < rxr> still no go .. 14:52 < rxr> f*cking usb subsystem ... 14:55 -!- sparc-kly [~sparc-kly@65-23-199-219.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:59 < rxr> valentin: when would you go out of the house ? 15:10 < rxr> mnemoc_: windows expert around ? 15:21 -!- mipe [~Ark@dsl10040.japo.fi] has joined #t2 15:29 < SerWou> well, my boss force me to fix windows customers PC sometimes 15:30 < SerWou> what's up rxr ? 15:30 < rxr> my neighboor has a wind200 pc 15:31 < rxr> service pack 3 so far 15:31 < rxr> she plugged a usb 2.0 ali controller into and and installed the driver 15:31 < rxr> then she installed the Netgear WG111 driver 15:32 < rxr> plugging it into the computer results in either windows to immediatly reboot (instantly the BIOS is displayed again) 15:32 < rxr> or to display a message that the driver ( windowsroot/system32/driver/wrtg_whatever.sys 15:32 < rxr> can not be loaded 15:32 < rxr> inserting my Sandisk USB stick results in the same 15:33 < SerWou> i guess it's a hardware problem, what do you think ? 15:33 < rxr> I already installed SP4, since it lists that it now supports USB 2.0 and w-lan 802.11g 15:33 < SerWou> electrical problem 15:33 < rxr> the instant BIOS reboot is gone 15:33 < rxr> but now one always gets the message that the driver could not be loaded .. 15:33 < mipe> http://212.66.194.40/t2/livecd/regressions.html 15:33 < SerWou> hu 15:33 < rxr> either usbstor.sys or this wrt_whatever.sys 15:33 < SerWou> how old is the windows ? 15:33 < rxr> SerWou: it works perfectly in the T2 live cd .. 15:33 < SerWou> ok 15:34 < rxr> windows 2000 - first sp3 - now sp4 .. 15:34 < mipe> anyhelp is greatly appreciated, i think if someone could do linux-header sanity work,it fixes 3-5 packages 15:35 < rxr> I could help looking into them tomorrow ... 15:35 < SerWou> http://www.bitdefender.com/scan/licence.php it's a good online antivirus : check her computer after check spybots : a spyware remover, download update and scan her PC too, after download regcleaner to clean up her registery, there is an automatic function in the menu 15:36 < rxr> ouhm - i fear I'll not touch her registry 15:36 < SerWou> don't worry 15:37 < SerWou> it will clean it from dead links 15:37 < rxr> my former experience shows that it will make windows "stability" even worse 15:38 < SerWou> that's the first step before start to work on a winbloze pc ;) 15:39 < SerWou> perhaps the USB layer went out 15:39 < SerWou> usb .sys things 15:39 < rxr> uhm - where is mnemoc_ when he is needed ... 15:39 < SerWou> try to look for them on the Win2K cd perhaps 15:42 < rxr> they are there 15:42 < SerWou> replace them perhaps 15:42 < SerWou> before backup the old ones ;) 15:42 < rxr> just that the damn wanna be OS does not want to load them - and does only tell me due to error 0x00000024 for both 15:43 < SerWou> trust me, check for virus/spywares 15:43 < SerWou> a customer Winblauze didn't want to shutdown, no service problem, nothing strang : 1 simple small nasty virus was the cause, nothing else 15:45 < rxr> hm 15:45 < rxr> good free virus scanner ... ? 15:45 < SerWou> free online scanner 15:45 < rxr> .o(could scan from the live cd ...) 15:45 < SerWou> i gave you a link 2min ago 15:45 < mipe> hmm,texinfo update doesnt work 15:45 < rxr> SerWou: she only has a v.90 modem - connecting via my w-lan is exactly what brought this usb problem up 15:46 < SerWou> http://www.bitdefender.com/scan/licence.php http://www.commandondemand.com/eval/cod/ 15:46 < SerWou> ok 15:46 < rxr> thanks 15:46 < rxr> I have to go to the bbq 15:46 < rxr> cu 15:46 < SerWou> she's using ntfs ? 15:46 < SerWou> is the livecd read/write ntfs ? 15:46 < rxr> no mental note about that ... 15:46 < SerWou> i guess not 15:47 < rxr> cu 15:47 < rxr> and thanks for the notes 15:47 < SerWou> welcome 17:08 -!- rxr_ [~rene@e178162247.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 17:08 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta4 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 17:08 -!- Topic set by menomc [] [Sat Apr 16 00:33:34 2005] 17:08 [Users #t2] 17:08 [ _Lewellyn] [ dualopteron] [ mipe ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly[u5]] 17:08 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc_] [ rxr_ ] [ valentin ] 17:08 [ CIA-6 ] [ keinek ] [ nzg ] [ SerWou] 17:08 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal] 17:08 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 17:09 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 11 secs 17:17 -!- rxr [~rene@e178172048.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:50 < mnemoc_> hi 17:56 < CIA-6> mika * r9170 /trunk/package/x86/spicctrl/install-prefix.patch: * spicctrl,updated install prefix patch to apply 19:44 -!- dualopteron [~dualopter@Dardeene-68.188.44.193.charter-stl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:44 -!- dualopteron [~dualopter@Dardeene-68.188.44.193.charter-stl.com] has joined #t2 19:49 < mnemoc_> does anyone has graphviz installed? 19:49 < mnemoc_> dot -Tpng Tarea4.dot -o Tarea4.png 19:49 < mnemoc_> Error: fontconfig: Didn't find expected font family. Perhaps URW Type 1 fonts need installing? : Times-Roman 19:50 < mnemoc_> but: $ fc-list Times-Roman 19:50 < mnemoc_> Times:style=Bold Italic 19:50 < mnemoc_> Times:style=Bold 19:50 < mnemoc_> Times:style=Italic 19:50 < mnemoc_> Times:style=Regular 19:52 < mipe> http://212.66.194.40/t2/livecd/regressions.html 19:56 < mnemoc_> kernel sanitization is highly stupid... how can kernel people be that pedantic 19:59 -!- tilix [~ilia@pppoe34.bol.bg] has joined #t2 20:18 -!- tilix [~ilia@pppoe34.bol.bg] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:49 -!- CIA-6 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:14 -!- mipe [~Ark@dsl10040.japo.fi] has quit ["sleepy"] 23:21 -!- ojh [~omer@63-224-201-43.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2 23:51 < valentin> re 23:52 < mnemoc_> re valentin 23:54 < valentin> we were at susann's home for bbq 23:56 < mnemoc_> you 4 or you 3? 23:57 < valentin> kerstin, susann, rxr and me 23:58 < valentin> and our unborn child ,) 23:59 < mnemoc_> :) 23:59 < mnemoc_> how is lars and his already born new daughter? --- Log closed Sun May 29 00:00:11 2005