T2 IRC Log: 2005-05-28

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--- Log opened Sat May 28 00:00:54 2005
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08:16 < rxr> re
08:46 < mnemoc> hi, and gn8 rxr
08:49 < rxr> n8 mnemoc
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10:58 < rxr> exit
11:08 < rxr> re
11:09 < rxr> hehe - the exit -^ was susan ,-) trying to quit my remote connection on her iBook ...
11:30 < rxr> http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/18/2033216
11:30 < rxr> ^- "Windows rapidly approaching desktop usability"
11:45 < valentin> moin rxr
11:46 < rxr> moin
11:46 < valentin> rxr: what optimization settings for your cpp test ?
11:46 < rxr> valentin: can you test my last nights c++cp code-line ?
11:46 < rxr> I used none ...
11:46 < rxr> but you can try -O2 ...
11:48 * rxr shortly away
11:53 < valentin> rxr: i did not time it yet, but it is at least 20 times slower
11:55 < valentin> system times are about 0.24s each
11:55 < valentin> user time of cat is 0.002s
11:55 < valentin> usertime of c++cp is 19.651s (!!)
11:58 < valentin> hm, copiing an 2.3mb mp3 file is much faster
11:58 < valentin> maybe the c++ buffer screws up on zero files ??
11:59 < valentin> hm, not really
12:00 < valentin> a 2.3 mb zero file is equaly fast
12:00 < valentin> ok, here fast means 1.4s which is still 100 times slower than the cat variant
12:05 < SerWou> hello guys
12:05 < SerWou> little question :
12:05 < valentin> http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20050528.html
12:06 < valentin> hello SerWou
12:07 < SerWou> i'm booting from a t2 cd to rebuild my broken grub : i mount my partition from my HD in /mnt/t2, go in, type chroot . and mount /dev and mount /proc
12:07 < SerWou> but mount /mnt give me that : mount: none has wrong device number or fs type evfs not supported
12:07 < SerWou> i can't restore my grub like i would :(
12:09 < valentin> why do you type mount /mnt ?
12:10 < SerWou> i'm running a live cd, i want to mount my main parititon from the harddrive to be able to run stone
12:11 < valentin> where does the error show up - when mounting the partition ?
12:12 < SerWou> no
12:12 < SerWou> when i type mount /dev
12:13 < valentin> is dev mounted after that ?
12:14 < SerWou> no
12:16 < valentin> does it really say evfs or devfs ?
12:16 < valentin> the live cd has udev instead of devfs
12:17 < SerWou> evfs
12:17 < valentin> ah - evfs is extended vfs
12:18 < valentin> no idea
12:18 < SerWou> :(
12:19 < valentin> what does your fstab say about dev ?
12:22 < SerWou> 2sec
12:33 < rxr> hi
12:33 < SerWou> hello rxr
12:34 < rxr> ouhm
12:34 < rxr> at my neighbor windows is freaking up again
12:35 < rxr> she has a new USB card and a Netgear w-lan usb stick ...
12:35 < SerWou> hehe
12:35 < rxr> and when I plug it or my usb storage in - windows either reboots or display a dialog that the usb driver could not be loaded ..
12:35 < rxr> damn ...
12:35 < SerWou> she shares internet to the building
12:35 < rxr> nope - I share ..
12:35 < rxr> that is she is the first ...
12:35 < rxr> it does not matter for me if others utilize the line ...
12:35 < rxr> just that her windows sucks as usual ..
12:36 < SerWou> who said Spy ?
12:36 < SerWou> ;)
12:36 < rxr> spy ?
12:36 < valentin> re
12:37 < SerWou> a woman came yesterday to have some help (my windows is slow now, etc..) a friend did a virus scan : 2654 virus found ;)
12:37 < SerWou> spywares
12:37 < rxr> Windows 2000 Service Pack 4
12:37 < rxr> wheren't they at 6 ?
12:37 < rxr> or was that nt ?
12:37 < SerWou> no
12:37 < SerWou> for 2000, it's only SP4
12:37 < rxr> Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 6a
12:37 < SerWou> for nt, there is more SP
12:38 < SerWou> are*
12:39 < rxr> express / network install
12:39 < rxr> mircosoft confuses me
12:39 < rxr> if I want it on a cd to carry it over, I need the network install, because it is bigger and includes all ?
12:39 < rxr> or what
12:39 < rxr> damn ...
12:40 < rxr> why is it named network then ?
12:40 < SerWou> express is only the installater
12:40 < SerWou> who will download what you need from internet
12:41 < rxr> thanks
12:41 * valentin relaxing in front of his all day and night working t2 system :)
12:41 < rxr> why isn't express named network then? and entwork s.th. like normal or full ?
12:41 < rxr> valentin: me too - but you now - joe users from around ...
12:42 < rxr> I relax too, just that I hope this w-lan crap works out ...
12:42 < rxr> after all it is not my box
12:42 < SerWou> i think between when you have a working network, you download the big file on one PC and share it with others pcs on the network and install it from others pcs from the first one ;)
12:42 < rxr> btw. found out the SIS driver is not correctly mathced on the live cd ..
12:42 < rxr> she has a onboard SiS chip ...
12:42 < SerWou> god bless her
12:42 < rxr> at least it was worth s.th. for t2 ..
12:44 < valentin> tell her to use the live cd when internet surfing
12:45 < rxr> yeah - just that t2 does not boot that quick due to old K6 or so ..
12:46 < rxr> and she has a 54mbit w-lan stick that most probably will not work with linu8x
12:46 < rxr> IIRC
12:46 < rxr> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 86C326 5598/6326 (rev 92)
12:46 < rxr> ^- that she has ...
12:46 < rxr> and of couse my usb stick worked under t2 just fine - where I saved this onto ...
12:46 < rxr> ,-)
12:47 < rxr> good that microsoft still falis to deliver a desktop ready operating system
12:47 < SerWou> ;)
12:48 < SerWou> i hope she's better in real than her computer health ;)
12:49 < rxr> oh - her computer is quite healty - just not the binary image on the hard disk ,-)
12:49 < rxr> random bit pattern ...
12:53 < valentin> rxr: nope - random bit patterns are expansive, balanced and have predictable properties
12:55 < rxr> oh - sorry
12:55 < rxr> crappy bit pattern
12:55 < rxr> damn - I forgot to pull the plug on the U30 ...
12:56 < rxr> so it was warming the room and wasting power due to the shitty lucent high-amp power supply warming up even when the box is off ...
12:56 < SerWou> easy man
12:56 < rxr> SerWou: you do not know my last power bill ...
12:59 < SerWou> that's true
13:00 < SerWou> i don't know if the electricity in germany is expensive or not
13:02 < rxr> it is ...
13:02 < rxr> and it should not be wasted due to environmental polution, anyway
13:05 < SerWou> yes, of cource
13:05 < SerWou> course*
13:07 < rxr> valentin: btw. according to schilling: burnproof does reduce recording quality ...
13:07 < valentin> well, he is the expert
13:08 < rxr> burnfree
13:08 < rxr> Turn the support for Buffer Underrun Free writing on.
13:08 < rxr> This only works for drives that support Buffer Underrun
13:08 < rxr> Free technology. This may be called: Sanyo BURN-Proof,
13:08 < rxr> Ricoh Just-Link, Yamaha Lossless-Link or similar.
13:08 < rxr> The default is to turn BURN-Free off, regardless of the
13:08 < rxr> defaults of the drive.
13:08 < rxr> on linux-kernel he said it does reduce qulity so it is off
13:09 < rxr> and that one should run it suid root to mlockall and RT proirtiy the binary. ..
13:11 < rxr> I think sometime soon I'll patch the many annoying warning away from cdrecord ...
13:12 < rxr> cdrecord: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set RR-scheduler
13:12 < rxr> cdrecord: Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set priority using setpriority().
13:12 < rxr> cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer underruns.
13:12 < rxr> Warning: Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported.
13:12 < rxr> cdrecord: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set RR-scheduler
13:12 < rxr> cdrecord: Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set priority using setpriority().
13:12 < rxr> cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer underruns.
13:15 < rxr> and the even newer version rants about no mode specified and that it waits 5 seconds to leave you the chance to specify s.th. else ...
13:15 < rxr> and that burnfree was turned off ...
13:15 < rxr> more then one screen of crap ...
13:22 < rxr> so - cu
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14:51 < rxr> re
14:51 < rxr> damn - windows is a crap ...
14:52 < rxr> still no go ..
14:52 < rxr> f*cking usb subsystem ...
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14:59 < rxr> valentin: when would you go out of the house ?
15:10 < rxr> mnemoc_: windows expert around ?
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15:29 < SerWou> well, my boss force me to fix windows customers PC sometimes
15:30 < SerWou> what's up rxr ?
15:30 < rxr> my neighboor has a wind200 pc
15:31 < rxr> service pack 3 so far
15:31 < rxr> she plugged a usb 2.0 ali controller into and and installed the driver
15:31 < rxr> then she installed the Netgear WG111 driver
15:32 < rxr> plugging it into the computer results in either windows to immediatly reboot (instantly the BIOS is displayed again)
15:32 < rxr> or to display a message that the driver ( windowsroot/system32/driver/wrtg_whatever.sys
15:32 < rxr> can not be loaded
15:32 < rxr> inserting my Sandisk USB stick results in the same
15:33 < SerWou> i guess it's a hardware problem, what do you think ?
15:33 < rxr> I already installed SP4, since it lists that it now supports USB 2.0 and w-lan 802.11g
15:33 < SerWou> electrical problem
15:33 < rxr> the instant BIOS reboot is gone
15:33 < rxr> but now one always gets the message that the driver could not be loaded ..
15:33 < mipe> http://212.66.194.40/t2/livecd/regressions.html
15:33 < SerWou> hu
15:33 < rxr> either usbstor.sys or this wrt_whatever.sys
15:33 < SerWou> how old is the windows ?
15:33 < rxr> SerWou: it works perfectly in the T2 live cd ..
15:33 < SerWou> ok
15:34 < rxr> windows 2000 - first sp3 - now sp4 ..
15:34 < mipe> anyhelp is greatly appreciated, i think if someone could do linux-header sanity work,it fixes 3-5 packages
15:35 < rxr> I could help looking into them tomorrow ...
15:35 < SerWou> http://www.bitdefender.com/scan/licence.php it's a good online antivirus : check her computer after check spybots : a spyware remover, download update and scan her PC too, after download regcleaner to clean up her registery, there is an automatic function in the menu
15:36 < rxr> ouhm - i fear I'll not touch her registry
15:36 < SerWou> don't worry
15:37 < SerWou> it will clean it from dead links
15:37 < rxr> my former experience shows that it will make windows "stability" even worse
15:38 < SerWou> that's the first step before start to work on a winbloze pc ;)
15:39 < SerWou> perhaps the USB layer went out
15:39 < SerWou> usb .sys things
15:39 < rxr> uhm - where is mnemoc_ when he is needed ...
15:39 < SerWou> try to look for them on the Win2K cd perhaps
15:42 < rxr> they are there
15:42 < SerWou> replace them perhaps
15:42 < SerWou> before backup the old ones ;)
15:42 < rxr> just that the damn wanna be OS does not want to load them - and does only tell me due to error 0x00000024 for both
15:43 < SerWou> trust me, check for virus/spywares
15:43 < SerWou> a customer Winblauze didn't want to shutdown, no service problem, nothing strang : 1 simple small nasty virus was the cause, nothing else
15:45 < rxr> hm
15:45 < rxr> good free virus scanner ... ?
15:45 < SerWou> free online scanner
15:45 < rxr> .o(could scan from the live cd ...)
15:45 < SerWou> i gave you a link 2min ago
15:45 < mipe> hmm,texinfo update doesnt work
15:45 < rxr> SerWou: she only has a v.90 modem - connecting via my w-lan is exactly what brought this usb problem up
15:46 < SerWou> http://www.bitdefender.com/scan/licence.php http://www.commandondemand.com/eval/cod/
15:46 < SerWou> ok
15:46 < rxr> thanks
15:46 < rxr> I have to go to the bbq
15:46 < rxr> cu
15:46 < SerWou> she's using ntfs ?
15:46 < SerWou> is the livecd read/write ntfs ?
15:46 < rxr> no mental note about that ...
15:46 < SerWou> i guess not
15:47 < rxr> cu
15:47 < rxr> and thanks for the notes
15:47 < SerWou> welcome
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17:08 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta4 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
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17:08 [ _Lewellyn] [ dualopteron] [ mipe ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly[u5]]
17:08 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc_] [ rxr_ ] [ valentin ]
17:08 [ CIA-6 ] [ keinek ] [ nzg ] [ SerWou]
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17:50 < mnemoc_> hi
17:56 < CIA-6> mika * r9170 /trunk/package/x86/spicctrl/install-prefix.patch: * spicctrl,updated install prefix patch to apply
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19:49 < mnemoc_> does anyone has graphviz installed?
19:49 < mnemoc_> dot -Tpng Tarea4.dot -o Tarea4.png
19:49 < mnemoc_> Error: fontconfig: Didn't find expected font family. Perhaps URW Type 1 fonts need installing? : Times-Roman
19:50 < mnemoc_> but: $ fc-list Times-Roman
19:50 < mnemoc_> Times:style=Bold Italic
19:50 < mnemoc_> Times:style=Bold
19:50 < mnemoc_> Times:style=Italic
19:50 < mnemoc_> Times:style=Regular
19:52 < mipe> http://212.66.194.40/t2/livecd/regressions.html
19:56 < mnemoc_> kernel sanitization is highly stupid... how can kernel people be that pedantic
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23:51 < valentin> re
23:52 < mnemoc_> re valentin
23:54 < valentin> we were at susann's home for bbq
23:56 < mnemoc_> you 4 or you 3?
23:57 < valentin> kerstin, susann, rxr and me
23:58 < valentin> and our unborn child ,)
23:59 < mnemoc_> :)
23:59 < mnemoc_> how is lars and his already born new daughter?
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