T2 IRC Log: 2005-05-26
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--- Log opened Thu May 26 00:00:53 2005
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01:51 < keinek> hi
01:51 < keinek> :)
02:58 < _Lewellyn> hoi
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06:27 < mnemoc> == 09:23:02 =[5]=> Building office/ooo [1.9-m104 2.1.0-rc1].
06:27 < mnemoc> == 05/25/05 16:25:38 =[5]=> Finished building package ooo.
06:28 < _Lewellyn> woo!
06:28 < _Lewellyn> with or without java? ;)
06:28 * _Lewellyn knows the answer, yes.
06:29 < mnemoc> without ;)
06:29 < mnemoc> i'll commit and try with it
06:30 < _Lewellyn> so there will be 2 selections for ooo?
06:31 < mnemoc> nope
06:31 < _Lewellyn> oh :/
06:31 < mnemoc> code to enable java support is disabled here
06:31 < mnemoc> and if it builds with it, i'll re-enable it
06:31 < _Lewellyn> what benefits do you get from the java support?
06:32 < _Lewellyn> besides bragging rights, of course ;)
06:32 < mnemoc> no idea what 'supports' i loose disabling it
06:33 < _Lewellyn> probably something i'll complain about ;)
06:33 < _Lewellyn> personally, i only use ooo when i don't feel like firing up vmware, though.
06:34 < mnemoc> :)
06:39 < CIA-6> amery * r9113 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ooo.desc: * updated ooo (1.9-m100 -> 1.9-m104)
06:40 < _Lewellyn> so, if m104 has a build script, that means they must have pushed out an even newer ooo :)
06:40 < CIA-6> amery * r9114 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ooo.conf: * disabled java support on ooo temporarily
06:40 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: m105
06:40 < _Lewellyn> unsurprising
06:41 < mnemoc> yep
06:48 < CIA-6> amery * r9115 /branches/2.1/package/java/java-dirtree/ (4 files):
06:48 < CIA-6> * merged 9091 from trunk: changed java-dirtree/parse-config to not try sun-jdk-150 for building ooo, it's officially unsupported.
06:48 < CIA-6> * merged 9108 from trunk: fixed java-dirtree/parse-config to remove outter world's JAVA_HOME and CLASSPATH
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06:59 < CIA-6> amery * r9116 /branches/2.1/package/office/ooo/ (bdb43.patch ooo.conf ooo.desc t2-distro.patch):
06:59 < CIA-6> * merged 8679 from trunk: updated ooo (1.9-m90 -> 1.9-m100)
06:59 < CIA-6> * merged 8707,9089,9103 from trunk: changed ooo to allow bdb 4.3, adapted to bind java bindings
06:59 < CIA-6> * merged 9090 from trunk: marked ooo as NOPARALLEL, it is probed to need it
06:59 < CIA-6> * merged 9114 from trunk: disabled java support on ooo temporarily
07:39 < rxr> re
07:45 < _Lewellyn> re
07:51 < rxr> hi _Lewellyn
07:55 < _Lewellyn> you slept, and i'm still at work :(
07:55 < _Lewellyn> i suck
08:09 < sepp_> hmm how can i change the rights of a direcrtor in a tar.bz2 and convert it back to a gem ?
08:11 < rxr> http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=10673
08:12 < rxr> untar , change, tar and the run the mine command to create the .gem ...
08:12 < rxr> (note we want to get rid of gem soon)
08:12 < _Lewellyn> what will you replace gem with?
08:13 < sepp_> mine -what foo.tar.bz > foo.gem ?
08:14 < rxr> _Lewellyn: vanilla tar
08:15 < _Lewellyn> rxr: ala slackware?
08:15 < sepp_> the "help" output of mine is really strange
08:15 < rxr> sepp_: yes - but the -what is also what I would need to look up
08:15 < rxr> _Lewellyn: like rock had before, too
08:15 < rxr> the introduction of .gem and seg-faulting mine was one of the worst stuff ever ...
08:15 < rxr> ok - /me driving home to work - cu
08:15 < _Lewellyn> ya. but rock and slackware packaged differently inside. i preferred slackware's at the time
08:16 < _Lewellyn> see you soon
08:20 < _Lewellyn> hm. just skimmed that solaris article.
08:20 < _Lewellyn> firstly, he's comparing apples to oranges.
08:20 < _Lewellyn> secondly, he apparently didn't install the sfw package.
08:21 < _Lewellyn> thirdly, he didn't exercise any of the solaris-specific features.
09:12 < rxr> re
09:34 < rxr> /Users/rene/develop/exact-scan/AppController.M:675: internal compiler error: Bus error
09:34 < rxr> ^- my iBook on OSX ...
09:34 < rxr> selector:@@selector(timerAction)
09:34 < rxr> ^- guess due to the double @ ...
09:35 < rxr> yep
09:35 < rxr> .oO
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10:25 < jeru> moin
10:29 < valentin> moin
10:32 < rxr> moin
10:32 < jeru> moin rxr, valentin
10:33 < rxr> hi jeru
10:36 < jeru> rxr: btw, is there a way to use fluxbox as default on the LiveCD ?
10:36 < rxr> no
10:36 < rxr> why do you ask ?
10:37 < jeru> rxr: I'd like to have a minimal rescue system with various network tools on it
10:37 < rxr> yeah - but that should be another livecd, right ?
10:37 < jeru> rxr: yes
10:37 < rxr> on another CD, you can have that as default of course ...
10:38 < jeru> rxr: cool :)
10:40 < rxr> any news regarding the embedded comp. in b. ?
10:40 < jeru> oh ... yes ... I 'll meet the chef next week
10:41 < jeru> I just talked to him on phone for about 5-10min. or so, and he was quite interested ...
10:42 < jeru> he is looking for some freelancers for realizing projects
10:42 < jeru> and he is very anti redmond
10:45 < rxr> aha
10:45 < rxr> ,-)
10:45 < rxr> tell me when you need support ,-)
10:46 < jeru> yeah ... in fact I "sold" our development network ;)
10:46 < jeru> rxr: ok ;)
10:47 < jeru> let's see what's coming out of the talks next week
10:50 < jeru> rxr: is initrd support automatically detected while building a kernel ?
10:50 < rxr> no, why?
10:51 < rxr> we always built one - and in 2.2 always need to build one ...
10:51 < jeru> so buildiung an initrd is default ?
10:51 < rxr> yes, of course
10:51 < jeru> hmmm ?
10:51 < jeru> this was not the case on my last kernel build on my test box
10:51 < rxr> what should it depend on ? CONFIG_MODULE ?
10:52 < rxr> an initrd was always built - since ROCK ages - but in the stone-age only an empty one
10:53 < rxr> why do you ask ?
10:53 < jeru> hmmm ... I'll try to build a fresh kernel again .... and looking for some problems ... perhaps I just did sth. wrong the last time
10:54 < jeru> rxr: I was just wondering to have no initrd in /boot after installing
10:55 < jeru> rxr: and btw, my last kernel seems to have other problems too ... because the machine don't come up
10:55 < rxr> which gcc do you have ?
10:55 < jeru> let's what I've screwed up there
10:56 < jeru> 3..4.3
10:56 < jeru> it's 2.1
10:56 < rxr> in 2.2 we have .3 again, too
10:56 < rxr> .4 miscompiled the kernel
10:56 < jeru> ah! yeah ...
11:31 < rxr> muahaha - TWAIN is soooo ugly
11:33 < rxr> valentin: can I phone you in the next minutes ?
11:55 < jeru> rxr: bte, ./scripts/Cleanup has a small typo in its help output
11:56 < jeru> I guess it should bCleanup -build instead of ./scripts/Cleanup -buld
12:03 < jeru> .oO( wondering about what stupid "IT consultants" existing on this planet)o
12:12 < jeru> .oO( he told me that they use digital signatures in their company ... but after I recognized that he don't know nothing about encryption ... he told me that their digital signatures are scanned hand written signatures, which they place as bitmap on docs )o . ..ehhrrmmm ...
12:13 < rxr> ehrm ??
12:13 < rxr> you know - we also use digial signatures here ...
12:14 < rxr> this rxr and jeru lines between the time and the actual text ...
12:18 < valentin> jeru: i think he missunderstood the term "digital signature"
12:27 < rxr> valentin: assigning nil to an NSTimer reference is not enough to stop it ?
12:28 < rxr> - invalidate ...
12:29 < valentin> no
12:29 < valentin> yep
12:29 < valentin> the reference is just a handle to the timer
12:30 < valentin> aftern invalidate this handle is invalid, i assign nil for program logic
12:31 < valentin> the next three days will be horiffic hot
12:33 < rxr> good that my flat is soo cool ...
12:33 < rxr> maybe a bit hotter after 3 hot days ...
12:34 < rxr> hm - sparc crashed ?
12:34 < rxr> those uni sparc all majorly suck
12:34 < rxr> yep TRAPLOG: Trap level 2 3 and 4 ....
12:34 < rxr> on the framebuffer ...
12:34 < valentin> i could mount an old cpu cooler on my forehead ...
12:35 < rxr> valentin: do you want to review any osx change before I release ?
12:37 < valentin> hm, you mean i should read through the diffs ?
12:38 < valentin> are there any changes which are critical to my codeset ?
12:38 < rxr> well - all are messy ...
12:39 < rxr> ok - hack on t2 - more important
12:39 < valentin> :)
12:39 < valentin> just release it and let the customer test ...
12:39 < rxr> yep
12:40 < rxr> they want those changes to they get them ,-)
12:51 < jeru> rxr: ok ... test box is running again ...
12:59 < rxr> with all the people declaring not to sue the linux kernel regarding patents, we sooner or later need to implement all _in_ the kernel ... ,-)
12:59 < rxr> modporbe startkde
13:01 < rxr> syslog-ng 1.6.8
13:01 < jeru> rxr: I'll update syslog-ng
13:03 < rxr> cool aKAdemy 2005 is in Malaga ...
13:05 < rxr> oh - dual coe box @ aldi
13:06 < rxr> http://golem.de/0505/38265.html
13:07 < valentin> what is in malaga ?
13:07 < rxr> Landgericht Hamburg untersagt Google die Nutzung der E-Mail-Domain gmail.com
13:07 < valentin> huh ?
13:07 < rxr> http://golem.de/0505/38272.html
13:07 < rxr> valentin: kde, aKademy meeting
13:07 < valentin> they may judge over US companies ?
13:08 < rxr> for use in germany ...
13:08 < rxr> I hope Google will not quit my gmail account now ...
13:09 < rxr> T-Com: DSL auch f? 1/4 r Glasfaser-Kunden
13:10 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0505/38240.html
13:11 < valentin> btw: should i reconfigure my SDLS to do 768 kbit both up and downstream ?
13:11 < rxr> but that will enforce a volume limit or sos ?
13:12 < rxr> I think you can keep it running as it is - you should also have fun on the line - not only our visitors ...
13:12 * rxr rebooting into linux
13:13 < valentin> as far as i understood qsc i have this option as an old flatrate cutomer, too
13:14 < valentin> and i can reconfigure it once within 24h if i need a quick download
13:14 < valentin> oh - but the change demands reconnectiong the line - this sucks...
13:16 < rxr> re
13:16 < rxr> valentin: I read in some tiny print, that if you change this you have to use the new conditions including some volume limit ?
13:17 < rxr> no ?
13:19 < jeru> rxr: I've tested the LiveCD on a Todhiba notebook with 16:9 display already
13:23 < rxr> cool - mail soon?
13:23 < rxr> 16:9 working good ?
13:24 < jeru> rxr: yes ... you will get a mail if I get the damn usb stick mounted
13:25 < jeru> but the resolution isn't right
13:25 < jeru> it uses 1280x800 normally
13:25 < valentin> rxr: maybe the volume limit is true .. this will make that option completly unattractive
13:25 < jeru> but I guess you can hack this if you've the ddcprobe stuff
13:26 < rxr> valentin: I read over it when they announce it and wondered , too
13:26 < rxr> better do not touch it until you know for su
13:26 < rxr> re
13:29 < jeru> have to rebooot ... cu later
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13:37 < jeru> re
13:38 < jeru> rxr: mail is out
13:40 < rxr> thanks
13:42 < jeru> I've resynced/rescheduled the ref build for 2.1.
13:43 < jeru> libpano + hiugin errors are gone now ... thanks sepp ;)
13:43 < jeru> current report is available here -> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/jeru/ref/regressions.html
13:46 < jeru> rxr: btw, do we need a current ref build for 2.2. too ? should I start one ?
14:00 < rxr> if you have free cpu cycles ...
14:05 < jeru> rxr: yes ... my test box must scream te whole day ... no idleing allowed :)
14:50 < rxr> it is stable now ?
14:57 < jeru> seems that it's stable now ... let's see what happens if it will have some load
15:04 < jeru> rxr: test box isn't stable ... freezed again :/
15:05 < valentin> re
15:06 < rxr> hi valentin
15:06 < jeru> hi valentin
15:06 < rxr> jeru: .-(
15:07 < rxr> hm - this sparc stinks majorly ...
15:07 < rxr> now it frooze on bootup ..
15:07 < jeru> # cat /proc/partitions
15:07 < jeru> major minor #blocks name
15:07 < jeru> 3 0 120060864 hda
15:07 < jeru> 3 1 104391 hda1
15:07 < jeru> 3 2 257040 hda2
15:07 < jeru> 3 3 19543072 hda3
15:07 < jeru> 3 4 1 hda4
15:07 < jeru> 3 5 29302528 hda5
15:07 < jeru> is this normal behavior on a devfs enabled host ?
15:07 < rxr> yes
15:07 < rxr> you mean that you have old style names ?
15:08 < jeru> yes
15:08 < rxr> yes
15:08 < jeru> because lilo complains about some name change blah
15:08 < rxr> devfs only changes the /dev representation - not kernel internal names
15:08 < jeru> ah ok
15:08 < jeru> anyway I hate lilo
15:08 < rxr> those places use 'a' - major and such ...
15:08 < rxr> + of course
15:11 < valentin> http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Plant+42+in+Palmdale,+California&ll=34.637382,-118.082020&spn=0.005397,0.007832&t=k&hl=en
15:11 < valentin> ^-- does not work in konqueror
15:11 < rxr> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/05/26/125232.shtml?tid=198&tid=156&tid=106
15:14 < valentin> hm, google maps rock
15:14 < rxr> yep
15:16 < valentin> this mc Voi guy has any proof of his claims ?
15:16 < valentin> btw: i think he does not know the meaning of the term "reverse engineerint"
15:17 < valentin> ing
15:17 < jeru> valentin: I guess as much as the author from the FAZ article
15:17 < jeru> those FAZkes ... :)
15:33 < rxr> what is this Voy don' ?
15:34 < rxr> cloning long existing Source Control Sysstem ...
15:34 < rxr> how inovative ...
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15:57 < keinek> hi
16:00 < rxr> how the LaTeX h*ll can I get some footnode into a dinbrief ?
16:00 < rxr> hi keinek
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16:04 < valentin> \footnote ?
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16:10 < valentin> rxr: why is this file dos encoded ?
16:10 < rxr> huh ?
16:10 < rxr> oh - indeed
16:10 < valentin> it as carriage returns before \n
16:10 < rxr> no idea
16:11 < rxr> editing it in xemacs with utf8 for ages
16:11 < rxr> never noticed
16:12 < valentin> ouhm - ! LaTeX Error: File `utf8.def' not found.
16:14 < rxr> no tetex 3 ?
16:14 < valentin> not yet :/
16:15 < jeru> btw, what is the difference between "Freistaat" and "Bundesland" in germany
16:15 < valentin> does not matter, except the umlauts everything works
16:15 < valentin> jeru: nothing
16:16 < valentin> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freistaat
16:16 < rxr> freistaaten have not signed the "Grundgeesetzt ,-)~
16:17 < valentin> really ?
16:17 < rxr> As I heared recently Bayern has not signed s.th. like that yet
16:17 < rxr> etiher the Grundgesetzt or some other fu
16:17 < rxr> foundation contract
16:18 < rxr> " Bayern noch immer nicht das Grundgesetz unterschrieben. ."
16:18 < rxr> ^- google
16:19 < rxr> we should start a public movement to get bayern sign it before the MP becomes Supermenister
16:19 < rxr> but first I want to get my footer belog the letter ...
16:19 < valentin> we should start a public movement to separate from bavaria
16:19 < jeru> hey thanks guys ... no wonder that this f*ucking Beckstein is such a loud mouth
16:24 < rxr> valentin: any idea for my footer ?
16:25 < valentin> i have sth but it does not work :(
16:26 < rxr> maybe with fancyheader ?
16:26 < rxr> \usepackage{fancyhdr}
16:27 < valentin> try it
16:28 < rxr> damn- doesn't do anything
16:29 < valentin> same for my other package
16:29 < valentin> it does not work because dinbrief overides some sizes
16:30 < rxr> .o(it does not work because this TeX crap sucks ...)
16:31 < valentin> at least \footnote works
16:31 < valentin> there was something similar without numbers/small fonts
16:32 < valentin> and last but not least, as a hack you could place the footer with vfill
16:32 < valentin> where are jsaw and lars when we need them ? they allways know all latex stuff
16:33 < rxr> I could phone lars ..
16:34 < valentin> and congratulate
16:36 < valentin> this reminds me that i need a good latex book
16:52 < rxr> we rather need a usable replacement
16:55 < jeru> rxr: what do you have in mind as replacement for latex ?
16:56 < rxr> well - I have none right now - but s.th. not has hardcoded, cryptic and limited as tex ...
16:57 < valentin> yeah
16:57 < valentin> and something wich allows staight solutions for typesetting issues
16:58 < rxr> I would not invest into a tex book these days ...
16:58 < valentin> not this "take one of the hundred different packages to do it"
16:58 < rxr> one of the hundred packages that reimplements it all
16:59 < rxr> hm - as martin from the TFH just points out, the navy.mil is accessing T2 sources ...
17:00 < valentin> oh
17:00 < valentin> time to hide some backdoors ,)
17:01 < valentin> just joking
17:01 < rxr> you mean hide better ...
17:01 < rxr> we could just set new navigation on this battle cruser .... -
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17:13 < rxr> re
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17:28 < jeru> I started a ref build for trunk ... the report is available at -> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/jeru/trunkref/regressions.html
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17:50 < jeru> what the f*ck ... these people from Radio1 are real suckers ... why the hell we are paying GEZ for this kind of political propaganda ...
17:51 < rxr> what did they say
17:53 < rxr> valentin: anything in the bill you think should change ?
18:00 < valentin> nope
18:00 < valentin> (i did not spellcheck)
18:08 < rxr> one sentence was a bit mixed
18:08 < rxr> on grum is the final version
18:09 < rxr> including .dvi if you want to read it ..
18:09 < rxr> I used a ordenary \vfill and do not care that it is not that much a footer ...
18:09 < rxr> damn latex crap ...
18:10 < rxr> how is netconf don
18:10 < rxr> 'g ?
18:12 < valentin> going onwards
18:12 < valentin> for ppp the special rocknet behavior is still needed
18:12 < valentin> do you want to do it ?
18:15 < rxr> ouhmouhm
18:15 < rxr> my TODO is already long enough
18:15 < valentin> i did not say you have to
18:19 < CIA-6> chris * r9117 /trunk/package/security/libprelude/libprelude.desc: * updated libprelude (0.9.0-rc6 -> 0.9.0-rc7)
18:27 < CIA-6> chris * r9118 /trunk/package/base/libol/libol.desc: * updated libol (0.3.15 -> 0.3.16)
18:27 < CIA-6> chris * r9119 /trunk/package/base/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.desc: * updated syslog-ng (1.6.7 -> 1.6.8)
18:31 < jeru> rxr: can we do sth. like automatic notification for package updates ?
18:33 < rxr> of what kind ? mail ?
18:33 < rxr> or do you mean automatic by some server tracking them ?
18:33 < jeru> yes ... I mean not in T2 ... sth. like an automatic search for updates
18:34 < jeru> and notifying the package maintainer perhaps
18:36 < rxr> jeru: yes - I can do that easily - using my C++ UpdateList thing that is quite accurate
18:36 < rxr> I could even implement the search in top level dirs as needed for mozilla and gnome ...
18:36 < rxr> mail to some t2-auto-update@exactcode.de ?
18:37 < rxr> again windows commercial ..
18:37 < rxr> damn - M$ wants to sacrisfy my Star Trek experience ...
18:37 < jeru> rxr: I think sth. like that would be nice :)
18:38 < rxr> I'll implement it over the next days
18:38 < jeru> rxr: cool ... :)
18:39 < jeru> but we've to wipe out the "unmaintained" packages from rock ages ...
18:39 < rxr> what do you mean ?
18:39 < jeru> I mean ... changing the [M] flag for packages where still a rock maintainer is in
18:42 < jeru> I guess the rock people don't want to have some auto mails for update notification from us ... but perhaps they want it too ;)
18:43 < jeru> anyway ... this isn't very urgent ... so we can think/talk about it later ;)
18:52 < jeru> ok ... have to move home now ... cu later
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19:07 < rxr> cu
19:52 < mnemoc> rehi
19:52 < rxr> hi mnemoc
19:52 < mnemoc> hi rxr
19:55 < rxr> ouhm - seems I have to fight spam on t2 soon ...
19:56 < mnemoc> and i my download mirror for 2.2 :)
19:56 < mnemoc> s/ i / add /
20:02 < rxr> and I your versioned mirror ..
20:02 < rxr> let me do this now ..
20:02 < rxr> what was the url *g*
20:03 < valentin> hi mnemoc
20:04 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/mirror/$sdever
20:04 < mnemoc> hi valentin
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20:06 < jeru> re hi
20:07 < jeru> before I left the office linux24 failed on the trunk ref build. I've disabled it atm ...
20:07 < rxr> jeru: with adm8211 ?
20:08 < jeru> I don't know ... I had no time to review ... :/
20:08 < rxr> ok
20:09 < jeru> but strangely the build faild because it couldn't find $buildroot/lib/modules/2.6.11.10-vs2.0-rc2 which is the host kernel I'm building on
20:09 < rxr> oj
20:10 < jeru> yes ... that looks real weird
20:10 < rxr> does anyone think I get money for a very old BNC 21"CRT ?
20:10 < rxr> on ebay ...
20:10 < rxr> and for a significant better but 17" CRT ?
20:10 < valentin> why do you want to get rid of it ? is it so bad ?
20:10 < jeru> rxr: don't know
20:11 < rxr> sucking too much energy and hurting my eyes ...
20:11 < valentin> shipping costs will kill each customer
20:11 < rxr> I wanted to convert to LCD since years - and I think in the next months it is time ...
20:11 < rxr> in berlin are enough people ...
20:11 < rxr> "hook up" shipping ...
20:11 < jeru> rxr: hehe ... I want to get rid of my 21" CRT too :)
20:12 < mnemoc> rxr: kaffe and classpath need X and they are needed for bdb.... any better suggestion than repriorizing they after X and adding them to stage 3?
20:13 < rxr> X in 3 ?
20:13 < valentin> rxr: orthopedic specialists cost will kill each customer, too
20:13 < mnemoc> rxr: JDKs in 3
20:13 < valentin> i thought we wanted to get rid of all those intermediate stages ?
20:13 < mnemoc> rxr: X in 3?? that would enlarge the build time a lot
20:14 < rxr> mnemoc: are both of your servers versioned that way ?
20:14 < mnemoc> rxr: yes
20:14 < rxr> valentin: yes
20:14 < rxr> mnemoc: you told me java needs X and that you want java in 3 - doesn't this enforce X in 3 ?
20:15 < mnemoc> rxr: i can disabled X support for the first java build
20:15 < mnemoc> rxr: bdb and gettext don't need X, but they need java
20:15 < mnemoc> rxr: *yack*
20:15 < rxr> ouhm
20:15 < rxr> that is *yuck*
20:15 < mnemoc> :)
20:16 < jeru> hi mnemoc :)
20:16 < mnemoc> hi jeru
20:16 < rxr> well - may I say this sucks ??
20:16 < mnemoc> ack
20:17 < mnemoc> sucks as much as kernel needing perl
20:19 < rxr> http://exactcode.de/cgi-bin/t2-mirrors.cgi?2.1.0-rc4
20:19 < rxr> http://exactcode.de/cgi-bin/t2-mirrors.cgi?2.2.0-alpha
20:19 < rxr> all fine ?
20:19 < mnemoc> yes :D
20:20 < mnemoc> thanks a lot
20:20 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 187689.000
20:20 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 145597.000
20:20 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 15488.000
20:20 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 17000.000
20:20 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 38601.000
20:20 < rxr> INFO: Using mirror <http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2-source/2.2>.
20:20 < rxr> ok - TODO shriking ...
20:21 < rxr> well - regarding your bdb issue - can't the bdb java wrapper whatever be build as a seperate package ?
20:23 < mnemoc> rxr: i guess everying is 'possible'
20:23 < mnemoc> everything*
20:25 < _Lewellyn> rxr: anything new on the livecd front?
20:26 < _Lewellyn> i'm about to rsync and test against that pretty dell and see what happens :)
20:27 < mnemoc> rsync --inplace is nice
20:27 < _Lewellyn> what's that?
20:27 < rxr> _Lewellyn: nope - not yet
20:27 < mnemoc> handle the parts inside the definitive file, instead of temporal
20:27 < mnemoc> so you can abort your rsync
20:28 < rxr> _Lewellyn: but in the next days it will have goold old ISA PnP hardware detection
20:28 < rxr> and I already fixed (but not yet rebuild the livecd) with proper ID in the marvel sk98lin driver
20:28 < rxr> and I think valentins network config should be ready some time soon
20:28 < rxr> mnemoc: --partial can also be aborted AFAIK
20:29 < mnemoc> rxr: not here
20:29 < rxr> --partial
20:29 < rxr> By default, rsync will delete any partially transferred file if
20:29 < rxr> the transfer is interrupted. In some circumstances it is more
20:29 < rxr> desirable to keep partially transferred files. Using the --par-
20:29 < rxr> tial option tells rsync to keep the partial file which should
20:29 < rxr> make a subsequent transfer of the rest of the file much faster.
20:29 < _Lewellyn> rxr: the machine has no isa devices :)
20:29 < _Lewellyn> the one i'm on does, though :(
20:30 < _Lewellyn> and that wrapped badly here :(
20:30 < rxr> PBButtonsd 0.6.10 - "This release fixes the problem that under certain circumstances caused 100% CPU load. "
20:30 < rxr> ^- that is a crappy program
20:30 < mnemoc> rxr: try aborting after 80% of the .iso is downloaded and start it again
20:30 < rxr> we once wanted to change a few bits but gave up due to too ugly C crap code ..
20:30 < valentin> rxr: indeed
20:31 < _Lewellyn> what does that program do?
20:31 < rxr> _Lewellyn: power management user space management for PowerPC PMU
20:31 < rxr> simillar to apmd acpid ...
20:32 < _Lewellyn> rxr: and it's probably too much work to reimplement? :(
20:33 < valentin> _Lewellyn: depends - at least it is some ugly work
20:33 < CIA-6> rene * r9120 /trunk/package/network/libidn/libidn.desc: * updated libidn (0.5.16 -> 0.5.17)
20:34 < CIA-6> rene * r9121 /trunk/package/powerpc/pbbuttonsd/pbbuttonsd.desc: * updated pbbuttonsd (0.6.7 -> 0.6.10)
20:34 < _Lewellyn> suck :(
20:35 < _Lewellyn> rxr: so, you don't forsee a new livecd in the next 12 hours?
20:36 < rxr> I think sooner or later all those apm acpi pmu stuff will trigger hal events distributed via dbus
20:36 < rxr> no proeritary platform hack deamons ...
20:36 < rxr> _Lewellyn: nope
20:36 < _Lewellyn> that would at least centralize things some
20:36 * _Lewellyn is a fan of centralization, many times.
20:37 < _Lewellyn> and i can rsync from you again?
20:37 < rxr> yeah - and fix stuff like the pbbuttonsd application link via shared memory whatever, that can leavs your share memory locked when it of clients die ..
20:37 < rxr> _Lewellyn: yes - but the release on my box is still the one from 2-3 days ago ...
20:37 < _Lewellyn> shared memory sucks.
20:38 < _Lewellyn> well, rsync won't do much if nothing has changed ;)
20:38 < rxr> yep
20:38 < _Lewellyn> not sure i got the latest update.
20:38 < rxr> ok
20:38 < rxr> cu later
20:38 < _Lewellyn> ok. have a good evening
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21:26 < rxr> re
21:26 < rxr> jeru: linux26 built here again
21:27 < jeru> rxr: linux26 isn't the problem it's linux24
21:28 < rxr> oh
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21:47 < _Lewellyn> re rxr
21:47 < _Lewellyn> i burnt the live iso to cd, but it wouldn't boot :(
21:48 < _Lewellyn> mjl@tuffet$ sudo mount /mnt/cdrom
21:48 < _Lewellyn> mount: No medium found
21:48 < _Lewellyn> :(
22:09 < rxr> hm
22:09 < rxr> s.th. wrong with your writer / cd-r{,w} =
22:09 < rxr> ? even
22:10 < _Lewellyn> it's a tsst cd-rw.
22:10 < _Lewellyn> never been used before
22:10 < _Lewellyn> this machine is brand-new still
22:10 < _Lewellyn> and i'm now out of cd-rs though :(
22:14 < jeru> _Lewellyn: I had problems with RW's too ...
22:15 < jeru> _Lewellyn: try to use crecord dev=/your/dev blank=minimal
22:15 < _Lewellyn> jeru: it's a winbox right now
22:15 < jeru> and try to burn it again after that
22:15 < jeru> oh!
22:16 < mnemoc> rxr: why cron tasks don't have PATH?
22:16 < jeru> try it with you windoze burning application though
22:16 < mnemoc> o_O
22:16 < _Lewellyn> jeru: well, if i had more blanks, i'd try again.
22:17 < _Lewellyn> also, should i finalize the disc? is that likely the issue?
22:17 < jeru> _Lewellyn: I thought you have one RW
22:17 < _Lewellyn> no, the drive is a cd-rw
22:17 < _Lewellyn> but i burnt a cd-r
22:17 < jeru> ah
22:17 < jeru> yes try to finalize it
22:18 < jeru> you can't loose anything I guess ;)
22:18 < _Lewellyn> i did. i was wondering if that may be what broke it
22:18 < jeru> so try again to boot ;)
22:20 < rxr> jeru: do you have remote access to your regression tester ?
22:21 < CIA-6> rene * r9122 /trunk/package/network/at76c503a/no-module-mv.patch:
22:21 < CIA-6> * extended at76c503a/no-module-mv.patch to also consider the 2.4
22:21 < CIA-6> code path
22:21 < jeru> rxr: no ... because of our data protection rules I can't ... I know it stopped because I forgot to Download the stuff I updated today :/
22:21 < rxr> r9122 should fix your problem you reported varbally ...
22:22 < jeru> ah .. ok ... thanks for the good interpretation ;)
22:22 < jeru> arrrgh ... I'm tired
22:23 < jeru> I'll sync the ref build tomorrow ... anyway :)
22:23 < rxr> ok - /me soon sleeping and awake early ...
22:24 < _Lewellyn> jeru: i can't mount it on any machine
22:24 < jeru> rxr: I guess ...same applies for me too ...
22:24 < _Lewellyn> and i want to know what i may have broke before i go downstairs to be raped on blank media
22:25 < jeru> _Lewellyn: I don't know what could be the problem with you ISO ... did you checked the checksum ?
22:26 < jeru> _Lewellyn: what ISO do you want to burn ?
22:27 < jeru> _Lewellyn: and better you buy at least one RW too ;)
22:27 < _Lewellyn> i used rsync to update the livecd iso from rene
22:28 < _Lewellyn> which i then copied via smb to the windows machine and burnt
22:28 < jeru> rxr: can you paste the last checksum of your xurrent iso _Lewellyn synced before going to sleep ?
22:29 < rxr> huh
22:29 < _Lewellyn> i'm starting an md5sum now
22:29 < _Lewellyn> (slow machine)
22:29 < rxr> erhm - md5sum sym-link returns some md5sum of the symlink target or so ?
22:29 < rxr> # md5sum /home/public/t2-live.png
22:29 < rxr> 2e14839e7ad15fd555aabcf133e8041a /home/public/t2-live.png
22:29 < rxr> # md5sum /mnt/space/live/t2.iso
22:29 < rxr> a8bb04749715b0a78b7baf48a689a5d8 /mnt/space/live/t2.iso
22:30 < rxr> the first is a symlink ... and md5sum finished in 0.xx seconds on a 370Mhz PPC box ...
22:30 < _Lewellyn> a8bb04749715b0a78b7baf48a689a5d8
22:30 < rxr> real 0m0.021s
22:30 < _Lewellyn> looks like my copy is corret
22:30 < rxr> I did not know that "feature" of md5sum ...
22:30 < rxr> _Lewellyn: yep
22:30 < rxr> ok - /me crawling into bed - cu
22:31 < mnemoc> cu rxr
22:31 < jeru> sleep well rxr
22:31 < _Lewellyn> sleep well and thanks :)
22:32 < jeru> _Lewellyn: can you check your iso on the windoze box too ... ?
22:32 < _Lewellyn> jeru: um. does xp come with an md5sum generator?
22:32 < _Lewellyn> i'm not spending the day installing cygwin to check an md5sum :(
22:33 < jeru> _Lewellyn: oh! I don't know ;)
22:33 < _Lewellyn> windows exists on the machine as a reference platform to test the livecd against. oh, and to burn it, too ;)
22:33 < jeru> _Lewellyn: but I guess there will be some free apps for that purpose ...
22:33 < _Lewellyn> eh. perhaps i'll check in a bit.
23:29 < jeru> have to go sleep now ... cu later
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01:51 < keinek> hi
01:51 < keinek> :)
02:58 < _Lewellyn> hoi
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06:27 < mnemoc> == 09:23:02 =[5]=> Building office/ooo [1.9-m104 2.1.0-rc1].
06:27 < mnemoc> == 05/25/05 16:25:38 =[5]=> Finished building package ooo.
06:28 < _Lewellyn> woo!
06:28 < _Lewellyn> with or without java? ;)
06:28 * _Lewellyn knows the answer, yes.
06:29 < mnemoc> without ;)
06:29 < mnemoc> i'll commit and try with it
06:30 < _Lewellyn> so there will be 2 selections for ooo?
06:31 < mnemoc> nope
06:31 < _Lewellyn> oh :/
06:31 < mnemoc> code to enable java support is disabled here
06:31 < mnemoc> and if it builds with it, i'll re-enable it
06:31 < _Lewellyn> what benefits do you get from the java support?
06:32 < _Lewellyn> besides bragging rights, of course ;)
06:32 < mnemoc> no idea what 'supports' i loose disabling it
06:33 < _Lewellyn> probably something i'll complain about ;)
06:33 < _Lewellyn> personally, i only use ooo when i don't feel like firing up vmware, though.
06:34 < mnemoc> :)
06:39 < CIA-6> amery * r9113 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ooo.desc: * updated ooo (1.9-m100 -> 1.9-m104)
06:40 < _Lewellyn> so, if m104 has a build script, that means they must have pushed out an even newer ooo :)
06:40 < CIA-6> amery * r9114 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ooo.conf: * disabled java support on ooo temporarily
06:40 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: m105
06:40 < _Lewellyn> unsurprising
06:41 < mnemoc> yep
06:48 < CIA-6> amery * r9115 /branches/2.1/package/java/java-dirtree/ (4 files):
06:48 < CIA-6> * merged 9091 from trunk: changed java-dirtree/parse-config to not try sun-jdk-150 for building ooo, it's officially unsupported.
06:48 < CIA-6> * merged 9108 from trunk: fixed java-dirtree/parse-config to remove outter world's JAVA_HOME and CLASSPATH
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06:59 < CIA-6> amery * r9116 /branches/2.1/package/office/ooo/ (bdb43.patch ooo.conf ooo.desc t2-distro.patch):
06:59 < CIA-6> * merged 8679 from trunk: updated ooo (1.9-m90 -> 1.9-m100)
06:59 < CIA-6> * merged 8707,9089,9103 from trunk: changed ooo to allow bdb 4.3, adapted to bind java bindings
06:59 < CIA-6> * merged 9090 from trunk: marked ooo as NOPARALLEL, it is probed to need it
06:59 < CIA-6> * merged 9114 from trunk: disabled java support on ooo temporarily
07:39 < rxr> re
07:45 < _Lewellyn> re
07:51 < rxr> hi _Lewellyn
07:55 < _Lewellyn> you slept, and i'm still at work :(
07:55 < _Lewellyn> i suck
08:09 < sepp_> hmm how can i change the rights of a direcrtor in a tar.bz2 and convert it back to a gem ?
08:11 < rxr> http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=10673
08:12 < rxr> untar , change, tar and the run the mine command to create the .gem ...
08:12 < rxr> (note we want to get rid of gem soon)
08:12 < _Lewellyn> what will you replace gem with?
08:13 < sepp_> mine -what foo.tar.bz > foo.gem ?
08:14 < rxr> _Lewellyn: vanilla tar
08:15 < _Lewellyn> rxr: ala slackware?
08:15 < sepp_> the "help" output of mine is really strange
08:15 < rxr> sepp_: yes - but the -what is also what I would need to look up
08:15 < rxr> _Lewellyn: like rock had before, too
08:15 < rxr> the introduction of .gem and seg-faulting mine was one of the worst stuff ever ...
08:15 < rxr> ok - /me driving home to work - cu
08:15 < _Lewellyn> ya. but rock and slackware packaged differently inside. i preferred slackware's at the time
08:16 < _Lewellyn> see you soon
08:20 < _Lewellyn> hm. just skimmed that solaris article.
08:20 < _Lewellyn> firstly, he's comparing apples to oranges.
08:20 < _Lewellyn> secondly, he apparently didn't install the sfw package.
08:21 < _Lewellyn> thirdly, he didn't exercise any of the solaris-specific features.
09:12 < rxr> re
09:34 < rxr> /Users/rene/develop/exact-scan/AppController.M:675: internal compiler error: Bus error
09:34 < rxr> ^- my iBook on OSX ...
09:34 < rxr> selector:@@selector(timerAction)
09:34 < rxr> ^- guess due to the double @ ...
09:35 < rxr> yep
09:35 < rxr> .oO
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10:25 < jeru> moin
10:29 < valentin> moin
10:32 < rxr> moin
10:32 < jeru> moin rxr, valentin
10:33 < rxr> hi jeru
10:36 < jeru> rxr: btw, is there a way to use fluxbox as default on the LiveCD ?
10:36 < rxr> no
10:36 < rxr> why do you ask ?
10:37 < jeru> rxr: I'd like to have a minimal rescue system with various network tools on it
10:37 < rxr> yeah - but that should be another livecd, right ?
10:37 < jeru> rxr: yes
10:37 < rxr> on another CD, you can have that as default of course ...
10:38 < jeru> rxr: cool :)
10:40 < rxr> any news regarding the embedded comp. in b. ?
10:40 < jeru> oh ... yes ... I 'll meet the chef next week
10:41 < jeru> I just talked to him on phone for about 5-10min. or so, and he was quite interested ...
10:42 < jeru> he is looking for some freelancers for realizing projects
10:42 < jeru> and he is very anti redmond
10:45 < rxr> aha
10:45 < rxr> ,-)
10:45 < rxr> tell me when you need support ,-)
10:46 < jeru> yeah ... in fact I "sold" our development network ;)
10:46 < jeru> rxr: ok ;)
10:47 < jeru> let's see what's coming out of the talks next week
10:50 < jeru> rxr: is initrd support automatically detected while building a kernel ?
10:50 < rxr> no, why?
10:51 < rxr> we always built one - and in 2.2 always need to build one ...
10:51 < jeru> so buildiung an initrd is default ?
10:51 < rxr> yes, of course
10:51 < jeru> hmmm ?
10:51 < jeru> this was not the case on my last kernel build on my test box
10:51 < rxr> what should it depend on ? CONFIG_MODULE ?
10:52 < rxr> an initrd was always built - since ROCK ages - but in the stone-age only an empty one
10:53 < rxr> why do you ask ?
10:53 < jeru> hmmm ... I'll try to build a fresh kernel again .... and looking for some problems ... perhaps I just did sth. wrong the last time
10:54 < jeru> rxr: I was just wondering to have no initrd in /boot after installing
10:55 < jeru> rxr: and btw, my last kernel seems to have other problems too ... because the machine don't come up
10:55 < rxr> which gcc do you have ?
10:55 < jeru> let's what I've screwed up there
10:56 < jeru> 3..4.3
10:56 < jeru> it's 2.1
10:56 < rxr> in 2.2 we have .3 again, too
10:56 < rxr> .4 miscompiled the kernel
10:56 < jeru> ah! yeah ...
11:31 < rxr> muahaha - TWAIN is soooo ugly
11:33 < rxr> valentin: can I phone you in the next minutes ?
11:55 < jeru> rxr: bte, ./scripts/Cleanup has a small typo in its help output
11:56 < jeru> I guess it should bCleanup -build instead of ./scripts/Cleanup -buld
12:03 < jeru> .oO( wondering about what stupid "IT consultants" existing on this planet)o
12:12 < jeru> .oO( he told me that they use digital signatures in their company ... but after I recognized that he don't know nothing about encryption ... he told me that their digital signatures are scanned hand written signatures, which they place as bitmap on docs )o . ..ehhrrmmm ...
12:13 < rxr> ehrm ??
12:13 < rxr> you know - we also use digial signatures here ...
12:14 < rxr> this rxr and jeru lines between the time and the actual text ...
12:18 < valentin> jeru: i think he missunderstood the term "digital signature"
12:27 < rxr> valentin: assigning nil to an NSTimer reference is not enough to stop it ?
12:28 < rxr> - invalidate ...
12:29 < valentin> no
12:29 < valentin> yep
12:29 < valentin> the reference is just a handle to the timer
12:30 < valentin> aftern invalidate this handle is invalid, i assign nil for program logic
12:31 < valentin> the next three days will be horiffic hot
12:33 < rxr> good that my flat is soo cool ...
12:33 < rxr> maybe a bit hotter after 3 hot days ...
12:34 < rxr> hm - sparc crashed ?
12:34 < rxr> those uni sparc all majorly suck
12:34 < rxr> yep TRAPLOG: Trap level 2 3 and 4 ....
12:34 < rxr> on the framebuffer ...
12:34 < valentin> i could mount an old cpu cooler on my forehead ...
12:35 < rxr> valentin: do you want to review any osx change before I release ?
12:37 < valentin> hm, you mean i should read through the diffs ?
12:38 < valentin> are there any changes which are critical to my codeset ?
12:38 < rxr> well - all are messy ...
12:39 < rxr> ok - hack on t2 - more important
12:39 < valentin> :)
12:39 < valentin> just release it and let the customer test ...
12:39 < rxr> yep
12:40 < rxr> they want those changes to they get them ,-)
12:51 < jeru> rxr: ok ... test box is running again ...
12:59 < rxr> with all the people declaring not to sue the linux kernel regarding patents, we sooner or later need to implement all _in_ the kernel ... ,-)
12:59 < rxr> modporbe startkde
13:01 < rxr> syslog-ng 1.6.8
13:01 < jeru> rxr: I'll update syslog-ng
13:03 < rxr> cool aKAdemy 2005 is in Malaga ...
13:05 < rxr> oh - dual coe box @ aldi
13:06 < rxr> http://golem.de/0505/38265.html
13:07 < valentin> what is in malaga ?
13:07 < rxr> Landgericht Hamburg untersagt Google die Nutzung der E-Mail-Domain gmail.com
13:07 < valentin> huh ?
13:07 < rxr> http://golem.de/0505/38272.html
13:07 < rxr> valentin: kde, aKademy meeting
13:07 < valentin> they may judge over US companies ?
13:08 < rxr> for use in germany ...
13:08 < rxr> I hope Google will not quit my gmail account now ...
13:09 < rxr> T-Com: DSL auch f? 1/4 r Glasfaser-Kunden
13:10 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0505/38240.html
13:11 < valentin> btw: should i reconfigure my SDLS to do 768 kbit both up and downstream ?
13:11 < rxr> but that will enforce a volume limit or sos ?
13:12 < rxr> I think you can keep it running as it is - you should also have fun on the line - not only our visitors ...
13:12 * rxr rebooting into linux
13:13 < valentin> as far as i understood qsc i have this option as an old flatrate cutomer, too
13:14 < valentin> and i can reconfigure it once within 24h if i need a quick download
13:14 < valentin> oh - but the change demands reconnectiong the line - this sucks...
13:16 < rxr> re
13:16 < rxr> valentin: I read in some tiny print, that if you change this you have to use the new conditions including some volume limit ?
13:17 < rxr> no ?
13:19 < jeru> rxr: I've tested the LiveCD on a Todhiba notebook with 16:9 display already
13:23 < rxr> cool - mail soon?
13:23 < rxr> 16:9 working good ?
13:24 < jeru> rxr: yes ... you will get a mail if I get the damn usb stick mounted
13:25 < jeru> but the resolution isn't right
13:25 < jeru> it uses 1280x800 normally
13:25 < valentin> rxr: maybe the volume limit is true .. this will make that option completly unattractive
13:25 < jeru> but I guess you can hack this if you've the ddcprobe stuff
13:26 < rxr> valentin: I read over it when they announce it and wondered , too
13:26 < rxr> better do not touch it until you know for su
13:26 < rxr> re
13:29 < jeru> have to rebooot ... cu later
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13:37 < jeru> re
13:38 < jeru> rxr: mail is out
13:40 < rxr> thanks
13:42 < jeru> I've resynced/rescheduled the ref build for 2.1.
13:43 < jeru> libpano + hiugin errors are gone now ... thanks sepp ;)
13:43 < jeru> current report is available here -> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/jeru/ref/regressions.html
13:46 < jeru> rxr: btw, do we need a current ref build for 2.2. too ? should I start one ?
14:00 < rxr> if you have free cpu cycles ...
14:05 < jeru> rxr: yes ... my test box must scream te whole day ... no idleing allowed :)
14:50 < rxr> it is stable now ?
14:57 < jeru> seems that it's stable now ... let's see what happens if it will have some load
15:04 < jeru> rxr: test box isn't stable ... freezed again :/
15:05 < valentin> re
15:06 < rxr> hi valentin
15:06 < jeru> hi valentin
15:06 < rxr> jeru: .-(
15:07 < rxr> hm - this sparc stinks majorly ...
15:07 < rxr> now it frooze on bootup ..
15:07 < jeru> # cat /proc/partitions
15:07 < jeru> major minor #blocks name
15:07 < jeru> 3 0 120060864 hda
15:07 < jeru> 3 1 104391 hda1
15:07 < jeru> 3 2 257040 hda2
15:07 < jeru> 3 3 19543072 hda3
15:07 < jeru> 3 4 1 hda4
15:07 < jeru> 3 5 29302528 hda5
15:07 < jeru> is this normal behavior on a devfs enabled host ?
15:07 < rxr> yes
15:07 < rxr> you mean that you have old style names ?
15:08 < jeru> yes
15:08 < rxr> yes
15:08 < jeru> because lilo complains about some name change blah
15:08 < rxr> devfs only changes the /dev representation - not kernel internal names
15:08 < jeru> ah ok
15:08 < jeru> anyway I hate lilo
15:08 < rxr> those places use 'a' - major and such ...
15:08 < rxr> + of course
15:11 < valentin> http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Plant+42+in+Palmdale,+California&ll=34.637382,-118.082020&spn=0.005397,0.007832&t=k&hl=en
15:11 < valentin> ^-- does not work in konqueror
15:11 < rxr> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/05/26/125232.shtml?tid=198&tid=156&tid=106
15:14 < valentin> hm, google maps rock
15:14 < rxr> yep
15:16 < valentin> this mc Voi guy has any proof of his claims ?
15:16 < valentin> btw: i think he does not know the meaning of the term "reverse engineerint"
15:17 < valentin> ing
15:17 < jeru> valentin: I guess as much as the author from the FAZ article
15:17 < jeru> those FAZkes ... :)
15:33 < rxr> what is this Voy don' ?
15:34 < rxr> cloning long existing Source Control Sysstem ...
15:34 < rxr> how inovative ...
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15:57 < keinek> hi
16:00 < rxr> how the LaTeX h*ll can I get some footnode into a dinbrief ?
16:00 < rxr> hi keinek
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16:04 < valentin> \footnote ?
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16:10 < valentin> rxr: why is this file dos encoded ?
16:10 < rxr> huh ?
16:10 < rxr> oh - indeed
16:10 < valentin> it as carriage returns before \n
16:10 < rxr> no idea
16:11 < rxr> editing it in xemacs with utf8 for ages
16:11 < rxr> never noticed
16:12 < valentin> ouhm - ! LaTeX Error: File `utf8.def' not found.
16:14 < rxr> no tetex 3 ?
16:14 < valentin> not yet :/
16:15 < jeru> btw, what is the difference between "Freistaat" and "Bundesland" in germany
16:15 < valentin> does not matter, except the umlauts everything works
16:15 < valentin> jeru: nothing
16:16 < valentin> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freistaat
16:16 < rxr> freistaaten have not signed the "Grundgeesetzt ,-)~
16:17 < valentin> really ?
16:17 < rxr> As I heared recently Bayern has not signed s.th. like that yet
16:17 < rxr> etiher the Grundgesetzt or some other fu
16:17 < rxr> foundation contract
16:18 < rxr> " Bayern noch immer nicht das Grundgesetz unterschrieben. ."
16:18 < rxr> ^- google
16:19 < rxr> we should start a public movement to get bayern sign it before the MP becomes Supermenister
16:19 < rxr> but first I want to get my footer belog the letter ...
16:19 < valentin> we should start a public movement to separate from bavaria
16:19 < jeru> hey thanks guys ... no wonder that this f*ucking Beckstein is such a loud mouth
16:24 < rxr> valentin: any idea for my footer ?
16:25 < valentin> i have sth but it does not work :(
16:26 < rxr> maybe with fancyheader ?
16:26 < rxr> \usepackage{fancyhdr}
16:27 < valentin> try it
16:28 < rxr> damn- doesn't do anything
16:29 < valentin> same for my other package
16:29 < valentin> it does not work because dinbrief overides some sizes
16:30 < rxr> .o(it does not work because this TeX crap sucks ...)
16:31 < valentin> at least \footnote works
16:31 < valentin> there was something similar without numbers/small fonts
16:32 < valentin> and last but not least, as a hack you could place the footer with vfill
16:32 < valentin> where are jsaw and lars when we need them ? they allways know all latex stuff
16:33 < rxr> I could phone lars ..
16:34 < valentin> and congratulate
16:36 < valentin> this reminds me that i need a good latex book
16:52 < rxr> we rather need a usable replacement
16:55 < jeru> rxr: what do you have in mind as replacement for latex ?
16:56 < rxr> well - I have none right now - but s.th. not has hardcoded, cryptic and limited as tex ...
16:57 < valentin> yeah
16:57 < valentin> and something wich allows staight solutions for typesetting issues
16:58 < rxr> I would not invest into a tex book these days ...
16:58 < valentin> not this "take one of the hundred different packages to do it"
16:58 < rxr> one of the hundred packages that reimplements it all
16:59 < rxr> hm - as martin from the TFH just points out, the navy.mil is accessing T2 sources ...
17:00 < valentin> oh
17:00 < valentin> time to hide some backdoors ,)
17:01 < valentin> just joking
17:01 < rxr> you mean hide better ...
17:01 < rxr> we could just set new navigation on this battle cruser .... -
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17:13 < rxr> re
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17:28 < jeru> I started a ref build for trunk ... the report is available at -> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/jeru/trunkref/regressions.html
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17:50 < jeru> what the f*ck ... these people from Radio1 are real suckers ... why the hell we are paying GEZ for this kind of political propaganda ...
17:51 < rxr> what did they say
17:53 < rxr> valentin: anything in the bill you think should change ?
18:00 < valentin> nope
18:00 < valentin> (i did not spellcheck)
18:08 < rxr> one sentence was a bit mixed
18:08 < rxr> on grum is the final version
18:09 < rxr> including .dvi if you want to read it ..
18:09 < rxr> I used a ordenary \vfill and do not care that it is not that much a footer ...
18:09 < rxr> damn latex crap ...
18:10 < rxr> how is netconf don
18:10 < rxr> 'g ?
18:12 < valentin> going onwards
18:12 < valentin> for ppp the special rocknet behavior is still needed
18:12 < valentin> do you want to do it ?
18:15 < rxr> ouhmouhm
18:15 < rxr> my TODO is already long enough
18:15 < valentin> i did not say you have to
18:19 < CIA-6> chris * r9117 /trunk/package/security/libprelude/libprelude.desc: * updated libprelude (0.9.0-rc6 -> 0.9.0-rc7)
18:27 < CIA-6> chris * r9118 /trunk/package/base/libol/libol.desc: * updated libol (0.3.15 -> 0.3.16)
18:27 < CIA-6> chris * r9119 /trunk/package/base/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.desc: * updated syslog-ng (1.6.7 -> 1.6.8)
18:31 < jeru> rxr: can we do sth. like automatic notification for package updates ?
18:33 < rxr> of what kind ? mail ?
18:33 < rxr> or do you mean automatic by some server tracking them ?
18:33 < jeru> yes ... I mean not in T2 ... sth. like an automatic search for updates
18:34 < jeru> and notifying the package maintainer perhaps
18:36 < rxr> jeru: yes - I can do that easily - using my C++ UpdateList thing that is quite accurate
18:36 < rxr> I could even implement the search in top level dirs as needed for mozilla and gnome ...
18:36 < rxr> mail to some t2-auto-update@exactcode.de ?
18:37 < rxr> again windows commercial ..
18:37 < rxr> damn - M$ wants to sacrisfy my Star Trek experience ...
18:37 < jeru> rxr: I think sth. like that would be nice :)
18:38 < rxr> I'll implement it over the next days
18:38 < jeru> rxr: cool ... :)
18:39 < jeru> but we've to wipe out the "unmaintained" packages from rock ages ...
18:39 < rxr> what do you mean ?
18:39 < jeru> I mean ... changing the [M] flag for packages where still a rock maintainer is in
18:42 < jeru> I guess the rock people don't want to have some auto mails for update notification from us ... but perhaps they want it too ;)
18:43 < jeru> anyway ... this isn't very urgent ... so we can think/talk about it later ;)
18:52 < jeru> ok ... have to move home now ... cu later
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19:07 < rxr> cu
19:52 < mnemoc> rehi
19:52 < rxr> hi mnemoc
19:52 < mnemoc> hi rxr
19:55 < rxr> ouhm - seems I have to fight spam on t2 soon ...
19:56 < mnemoc> and i my download mirror for 2.2 :)
19:56 < mnemoc> s/ i / add /
20:02 < rxr> and I your versioned mirror ..
20:02 < rxr> let me do this now ..
20:02 < rxr> what was the url *g*
20:03 < valentin> hi mnemoc
20:04 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/mirror/$sdever
20:04 < mnemoc> hi valentin
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20:06 < jeru> re hi
20:07 < jeru> before I left the office linux24 failed on the trunk ref build. I've disabled it atm ...
20:07 < rxr> jeru: with adm8211 ?
20:08 < jeru> I don't know ... I had no time to review ... :/
20:08 < rxr> ok
20:09 < jeru> but strangely the build faild because it couldn't find $buildroot/lib/modules/2.6.11.10-vs2.0-rc2 which is the host kernel I'm building on
20:09 < rxr> oj
20:10 < jeru> yes ... that looks real weird
20:10 < rxr> does anyone think I get money for a very old BNC 21"CRT ?
20:10 < rxr> on ebay ...
20:10 < rxr> and for a significant better but 17" CRT ?
20:10 < valentin> why do you want to get rid of it ? is it so bad ?
20:10 < jeru> rxr: don't know
20:11 < rxr> sucking too much energy and hurting my eyes ...
20:11 < valentin> shipping costs will kill each customer
20:11 < rxr> I wanted to convert to LCD since years - and I think in the next months it is time ...
20:11 < rxr> in berlin are enough people ...
20:11 < rxr> "hook up" shipping ...
20:11 < jeru> rxr: hehe ... I want to get rid of my 21" CRT too :)
20:12 < mnemoc> rxr: kaffe and classpath need X and they are needed for bdb.... any better suggestion than repriorizing they after X and adding them to stage 3?
20:13 < rxr> X in 3 ?
20:13 < valentin> rxr: orthopedic specialists cost will kill each customer, too
20:13 < mnemoc> rxr: JDKs in 3
20:13 < valentin> i thought we wanted to get rid of all those intermediate stages ?
20:13 < mnemoc> rxr: X in 3?? that would enlarge the build time a lot
20:14 < rxr> mnemoc: are both of your servers versioned that way ?
20:14 < mnemoc> rxr: yes
20:14 < rxr> valentin: yes
20:14 < rxr> mnemoc: you told me java needs X and that you want java in 3 - doesn't this enforce X in 3 ?
20:15 < mnemoc> rxr: i can disabled X support for the first java build
20:15 < mnemoc> rxr: bdb and gettext don't need X, but they need java
20:15 < mnemoc> rxr: *yack*
20:15 < rxr> ouhm
20:15 < rxr> that is *yuck*
20:15 < mnemoc> :)
20:16 < jeru> hi mnemoc :)
20:16 < mnemoc> hi jeru
20:16 < rxr> well - may I say this sucks ??
20:16 < mnemoc> ack
20:17 < mnemoc> sucks as much as kernel needing perl
20:19 < rxr> http://exactcode.de/cgi-bin/t2-mirrors.cgi?2.1.0-rc4
20:19 < rxr> http://exactcode.de/cgi-bin/t2-mirrors.cgi?2.2.0-alpha
20:19 < rxr> all fine ?
20:19 < mnemoc> yes :D
20:20 < mnemoc> thanks a lot
20:20 < rxr> INFO: Testing
20:20 < rxr> INFO: Testing
20:20 < rxr> INFO: Testing
20:20 < rxr> INFO: Testing
20:20 < rxr> INFO: Testing
20:20 < rxr> INFO: Using mirror <http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2-source/2.2>.
20:20 < rxr> ok - TODO shriking ...
20:21 < rxr> well - regarding your bdb issue - can't the bdb java wrapper whatever be build as a seperate package ?
20:23 < mnemoc> rxr: i guess everying is 'possible'
20:23 < mnemoc> everything*
20:25 < _Lewellyn> rxr: anything new on the livecd front?
20:26 < _Lewellyn> i'm about to rsync and test against that pretty dell and see what happens :)
20:27 < mnemoc> rsync --inplace is nice
20:27 < _Lewellyn> what's that?
20:27 < rxr> _Lewellyn: nope - not yet
20:27 < mnemoc> handle the parts inside the definitive file, instead of temporal
20:27 < mnemoc> so you can abort your rsync
20:28 < rxr> _Lewellyn: but in the next days it will have goold old ISA PnP hardware detection
20:28 < rxr> and I already fixed (but not yet rebuild the livecd) with proper ID in the marvel sk98lin driver
20:28 < rxr> and I think valentins network config should be ready some time soon
20:28 < rxr> mnemoc: --partial can also be aborted AFAIK
20:29 < mnemoc> rxr: not here
20:29 < rxr> --partial
20:29 < rxr> By default, rsync will delete any partially transferred file if
20:29 < rxr> the transfer is interrupted. In some circumstances it is more
20:29 < rxr> desirable to keep partially transferred files. Using the --par-
20:29 < rxr> tial option tells rsync to keep the partial file which should
20:29 < rxr> make a subsequent transfer of the rest of the file much faster.
20:29 < _Lewellyn> rxr: the machine has no isa devices :)
20:29 < _Lewellyn> the one i'm on does, though :(
20:30 < _Lewellyn> and that wrapped badly here :(
20:30 < rxr> PBButtonsd 0.6.10 - "This release fixes the problem that under certain circumstances caused 100% CPU load. "
20:30 < rxr> ^- that is a crappy program
20:30 < mnemoc> rxr: try aborting after 80% of the .iso is downloaded and start it again
20:30 < rxr> we once wanted to change a few bits but gave up due to too ugly C crap code ..
20:30 < valentin> rxr: indeed
20:31 < _Lewellyn> what does that program do?
20:31 < rxr> _Lewellyn: power management user space management for PowerPC PMU
20:31 < rxr> simillar to apmd acpid ...
20:32 < _Lewellyn> rxr: and it's probably too much work to reimplement? :(
20:33 < valentin> _Lewellyn: depends - at least it is some ugly work
20:33 < CIA-6> rene * r9120 /trunk/package/network/libidn/libidn.desc: * updated libidn (0.5.16 -> 0.5.17)
20:34 < CIA-6> rene * r9121 /trunk/package/powerpc/pbbuttonsd/pbbuttonsd.desc: * updated pbbuttonsd (0.6.7 -> 0.6.10)
20:34 < _Lewellyn> suck :(
20:35 < _Lewellyn> rxr: so, you don't forsee a new livecd in the next 12 hours?
20:36 < rxr> I think sooner or later all those apm acpi pmu stuff will trigger hal events distributed via dbus
20:36 < rxr> no proeritary platform hack deamons ...
20:36 < rxr> _Lewellyn: nope
20:36 < _Lewellyn> that would at least centralize things some
20:36 * _Lewellyn is a fan of centralization, many times.
20:37 < _Lewellyn> and i can rsync from you again?
20:37 < rxr> yeah - and fix stuff like the pbbuttonsd application link via shared memory whatever, that can leavs your share memory locked when it of clients die ..
20:37 < rxr> _Lewellyn: yes - but the release on my box is still the one from 2-3 days ago ...
20:37 < _Lewellyn> shared memory sucks.
20:38 < _Lewellyn> well, rsync won't do much if nothing has changed ;)
20:38 < rxr> yep
20:38 < _Lewellyn> not sure i got the latest update.
20:38 < rxr> ok
20:38 < rxr> cu later
20:38 < _Lewellyn> ok. have a good evening
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21:26 < rxr> re
21:26 < rxr> jeru: linux26 built here again
21:27 < jeru> rxr: linux26 isn't the problem it's linux24
21:28 < rxr> oh
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21:47 < _Lewellyn> re rxr
21:47 < _Lewellyn> i burnt the live iso to cd, but it wouldn't boot :(
21:48 < _Lewellyn> mjl@tuffet$ sudo mount /mnt/cdrom
21:48 < _Lewellyn> mount: No medium found
21:48 < _Lewellyn> :(
22:09 < rxr> hm
22:09 < rxr> s.th. wrong with your writer / cd-r{,w} =
22:09 < rxr> ? even
22:10 < _Lewellyn> it's a tsst cd-rw.
22:10 < _Lewellyn> never been used before
22:10 < _Lewellyn> this machine is brand-new still
22:10 < _Lewellyn> and i'm now out of cd-rs though :(
22:14 < jeru> _Lewellyn: I had problems with RW's too ...
22:15 < jeru> _Lewellyn: try to use crecord dev=/your/dev blank=minimal
22:15 < _Lewellyn> jeru: it's a winbox right now
22:15 < jeru> and try to burn it again after that
22:15 < jeru> oh!
22:16 < mnemoc> rxr: why cron tasks don't have PATH?
22:16 < jeru> try it with you windoze burning application though
22:16 < mnemoc> o_O
22:16 < _Lewellyn> jeru: well, if i had more blanks, i'd try again.
22:17 < _Lewellyn> also, should i finalize the disc? is that likely the issue?
22:17 < jeru> _Lewellyn: I thought you have one RW
22:17 < _Lewellyn> no, the drive is a cd-rw
22:17 < _Lewellyn> but i burnt a cd-r
22:17 < jeru> ah
22:17 < jeru> yes try to finalize it
22:18 < jeru> you can't loose anything I guess ;)
22:18 < _Lewellyn> i did. i was wondering if that may be what broke it
22:18 < jeru> so try again to boot ;)
22:20 < rxr> jeru: do you have remote access to your regression tester ?
22:21 < CIA-6> rene * r9122 /trunk/package/network/at76c503a/no-module-mv.patch:
22:21 < CIA-6> * extended at76c503a/no-module-mv.patch to also consider the 2.4
22:21 < CIA-6> code path
22:21 < jeru> rxr: no ... because of our data protection rules I can't ... I know it stopped because I forgot to Download the stuff I updated today :/
22:21 < rxr> r9122 should fix your problem you reported varbally ...
22:22 < jeru> ah .. ok ... thanks for the good interpretation ;)
22:22 < jeru> arrrgh ... I'm tired
22:23 < jeru> I'll sync the ref build tomorrow ... anyway :)
22:23 < rxr> ok - /me soon sleeping and awake early ...
22:24 < _Lewellyn> jeru: i can't mount it on any machine
22:24 < jeru> rxr: I guess ...same applies for me too ...
22:24 < _Lewellyn> and i want to know what i may have broke before i go downstairs to be raped on blank media
22:25 < jeru> _Lewellyn: I don't know what could be the problem with you ISO ... did you checked the checksum ?
22:26 < jeru> _Lewellyn: what ISO do you want to burn ?
22:27 < jeru> _Lewellyn: and better you buy at least one RW too ;)
22:27 < _Lewellyn> i used rsync to update the livecd iso from rene
22:28 < _Lewellyn> which i then copied via smb to the windows machine and burnt
22:28 < jeru> rxr: can you paste the last checksum of your xurrent iso _Lewellyn synced before going to sleep ?
22:29 < rxr> huh
22:29 < _Lewellyn> i'm starting an md5sum now
22:29 < _Lewellyn> (slow machine)
22:29 < rxr> erhm - md5sum sym-link returns some md5sum of the symlink target or so ?
22:29 < rxr> # md5sum /home/public/t2-live.png
22:29 < rxr> 2e14839e7ad15fd555aabcf133e8041a /home/public/t2-live.png
22:29 < rxr> # md5sum /mnt/space/live/t2.iso
22:29 < rxr> a8bb04749715b0a78b7baf48a689a5d8 /mnt/space/live/t2.iso
22:30 < rxr> the first is a symlink ... and md5sum finished in 0.xx seconds on a 370Mhz PPC box ...
22:30 < _Lewellyn> a8bb04749715b0a78b7baf48a689a5d8
22:30 < rxr> real 0m0.021s
22:30 < _Lewellyn> looks like my copy is corret
22:30 < rxr> I did not know that "feature" of md5sum ...
22:30 < rxr> _Lewellyn: yep
22:30 < rxr> ok - /me crawling into bed - cu
22:31 < mnemoc> cu rxr
22:31 < jeru> sleep well rxr
22:31 < _Lewellyn> sleep well and thanks :)
22:32 < jeru> _Lewellyn: can you check your iso on the windoze box too ... ?
22:32 < _Lewellyn> jeru: um. does xp come with an md5sum generator?
22:32 < _Lewellyn> i'm not spending the day installing cygwin to check an md5sum :(
22:33 < jeru> _Lewellyn: oh! I don't know ;)
22:33 < _Lewellyn> windows exists on the machine as a reference platform to test the livecd against. oh, and to burn it, too ;)
22:33 < jeru> _Lewellyn: but I guess there will be some free apps for that purpose ...
22:33 < _Lewellyn> eh. perhaps i'll check in a bit.
23:29 < jeru> have to go sleep now ... cu later
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