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00:39 < jeru> bye bye ... have to sleep now
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00:51 < sepp_> good night
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01:29 < keinek> hi
01:38 < mnemoc> hi keinek 
03:09 < sparc-kly> hi all
03:17 < mnemoc> hi sparc-kly 
03:33 < _Lewellyn> hoi sparc-kly 
03:39 < mnemoc> == 14:28:41 =[5]=> Building office/ooo [1.9-m100 2.1.0-rc1].
03:39 < mnemoc> == 05/24/05 21:32:55 =[5]=> Finished building package ooo.
03:39 < mnemoc> with java disabled
03:40 < mnemoc> 70M ooo-1.9-m100.gem
03:41 < _Lewellyn> woo!
03:41 < _Lewellyn> is it goiing to be on the livecd? :)
03:50 < mnemoc> i think so
03:51 < mnemoc> ooo is a big pain
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04:11 < keinek> Mmmm i drink a cup of alchool :)
04:15 < _Lewellyn> that sounds good
04:20 < sparc-kly> send one . for me . please !
04:21 < _Lewellyn> i go now. maybe have some drink later :)
04:24 < mnemoc> drinking on tuesday?
04:39 < keinek> tomorrow is the day of independency
04:39 < keinek> in Argentina
04:39 < keinek> :)
04:43 < mnemoc> :)
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06:23 < rxr> re
06:24 < rxr> mnemoc: ooo w/ java disabled ?
06:24 < mnemoc> yes
06:24 < mnemoc> i have troubles building m100 even with sun-jdk-142
06:25 < rxr> hm
06:25 < rxr> what did you do to build without java ?
06:25 < rxr> have you committed it ?
06:25  * rxr getting rolls from the bakery ...
06:28 < mnemoc> i just commented if [ "$JAVA_HOME" ]  block, and leave --with-java=no
06:28 < rxr> committed ?
06:29 < mnemoc> the #s? no
06:29 < mnemoc> should i?
06:32 < rxr> ok - then not ,-)
06:32  * rxr really getting rolls now ... ,-)
06:32 < mnemoc> :)
06:33 < mnemoc> rxr: maybe i should and wait for m104 for java
06:42 < mnemoc> [   ] ooo-build-1.9.104.tar.gz          24-May-2005 06:43  3.1M   <--- ooo-build for m104 was released!
06:42 < mnemoc> but i'll go to sleep
06:43 < mnemoc> if anyone want to try m104 on trunk
06:43 < mnemoc> gn8
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07:22 < rxr> NSSaveOperationType
07:23 < rxr> NSChangeReadOtherContents
07:23 < rxr> Document was initialized with contents of file or file package other than the one whose location would be returned by fileURL. Available in Mac OS X v10.4 and later.
07:23 < rxr> NSChangeAutosaved
07:23 < rxr> Document's contents have been autosaved. Available in Mac OS X v10.4 and later.
07:23 < rxr> wow - 2 out of 5 operations are 10.4 and above ...
07:23 < rxr> are they kidding?
07:23 < rxr> OS X is the most strange system - all reasonable stuff only implemented in .3 and higher
07:24 < rxr> NSAutosaveOperation
07:24 < rxr> Specifies an autosave operation, writing a document???s contents to a file or file package separate from the document's current one. Available in Mac OS X v10.4 and later.
07:24 < rxr> I meant - damn ...
07:24 < SerWou> hello rxr 
07:27 < rxr> hi SerWou 
07:28 < SerWou> are you using osx ?
07:33 < rxr> nope - I only do some commercial coding there ...
07:34 < rxr> (seldom)
07:34 < rxr> but I try to avoid it - it is not OpenSource and getting way more ugly than what I'm used to use ...
07:34 < rxr> well - it is not as bad as Windows ....
07:35 < rxr> but not the T2 GNU/Linux favour
07:44 < SerWou> hhe
07:44 < SerWou> of course
07:45 < SerWou> that's interesting to know what's going on Mac OS
07:45 < SerWou> it's a BSD a lot tweaked, right ?
07:48 < rxr> yep
07:48 < rxr> and mach micro kernel below the BSD kernel ...
08:02 < SerWou> do you know why IBM (G5 Cpu) have the FSB growing up proportionately to the CPU frequency ? it's not like PC who the FSB is static, if you change it, it's a kind of overclocking
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08:18 < rxr> SerWou: no idea
08:18 < rxr> hi tilix 
08:19 < tilix> hi
08:20 < tilix> rxr: I`m running beta 3 now, but still the partitions (hda1, hda2, etc) aren`t shown in fstab. Why?
08:21 < rxr> because only removable media is right now marked as fstab-sync
08:21 < rxr> I'll adapt that HAL rule soon
08:24 < tilix> and the cyrillic fonts are even stranger that alpha r16 :)
08:24 < rxr> hm - I did not change anything
08:24 < rxr> I never have used those fonts - can you tell me what to change to make X happy with them
08:25 < tilix> hmmm
08:25 < tilix> something must set LOCALE
08:26 < tilix> Now it`s LANG=, should be LANG=bg_BG
08:26 < tilix> and the other variables too
08:28 < rxr> are you sure this make make a difference for the font ?
08:38 < tilix> I don`t see what else should be made. In my distribution, with LANG=en_US the fonts are ugly, but with bg_BG everything is normal. But I`m not sure ...
08:39 < tilix> ? changing fonts in Kcontrol doesn`t work for the cyrillic ones. They still use only Free Times
08:39 < tilix> export LANG=bg_BG doesn`t change the things :(
08:41 < rxr> hm
08:45 < tilix> but it would be useful for thins like Google - I get "The summary for this Russian page contains characters that cannot be correctly displayed in this language/character set."
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09:40 < tilix> rxr: any way to use a PDA under T2?
09:41 < rxr> which one ?
09:41 < rxr> we have pilot and so on packages
09:41 < rxr> but I think no core developer uses a PDA ...
09:41 < rxr> so there might be some integration needed ...
09:43 < tilix> ipaq 1930
09:44 < tilix> http://synce.sourceforge.net/synce/
09:46 < rxr> tilix: maybe you start using T2 and tell me what packages need to be added to the livecd for those and how they need to be plugged together ...
09:49 < tilix> have to leave now. by
09:49 < tilix> bye
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09:59 < rxr> hi sepp 
10:00 < sepp> hi rxr 
10:40 < valentin> moin
10:44 < rxr> moin
10:44 < rxr> cocoa gets on my nerves - damn crap all the way
10:44 < rxr> poor google
10:44 < rxr> I hope they do not think I DOS them ...
10:45 < valentin> what is it again ?
10:45 < rxr> valentin: have you read if there is some common way for applicatiosn to store preferences on the filesystem in osx ?
10:47 < valentin> sure there is
10:47 < valentin> but i do not know details
10:48 < rxr> too bad
10:48 < rxr> I'll find out ...
10:48 < rxr> have to
10:52 < valentin> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/KeyValueCoding/index.html
10:52 < valentin> maybe you can dump / load those properties ?
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10:52 < jeru> moin
10:53 < valentin> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/UserDefaults/index.html
10:53 < valentin> moin jeru
10:53 < jeru> moin valentin
10:54 < valentin> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/CoreFoundation/Conceptual/CFPreferences/index.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/10000129i
10:56 < valentin> rxr: i think the last one is what you need
10:57 < rxr> yep- thanks
11:02 < jeru> damn ... I think I've to wait again 1 week for getting my R40 back ... what the f*ck, they are doing since 1 week?
11:04 < rxr> AppController.M:556: warning: `NSWindow' may not respond to `-makeKeyAndOrderFront'
11:04 < rxr> what did I miss now ... ?
11:04 < jeru> they told me that they ordered a spare part, what isn't there yet. but what kind of spare part wasn't known ... hmmm ... strange company which promotes "on demand business"
11:07 < rxr> maybe a :nil ...
11:07 < rxr> damn
11:07 < rxr> yeah - linking ...
11:07 < rxr> damn foudation
11:07 < rxr> foundation even
11:08 < rxr> cool - works
11:17 < rxr> ok - so mostly saving the damn values is left ...
11:45 < jeru> rxr: why is ooo not included in the reference build ?
11:48 < rxr> n oidea
11:53 < rxr> ok - saving prefs works ...
12:02 < sepp> etc/ for pkgs in /opt should be in /etc/opt/ ?
12:03 < jeru> sepp: moin + ack ;)
12:03 < sepp> moin jeru 
12:05 < jeru> sepp: does libpano needs java ?
12:05 < sepp> yes
12:06 < sepp> gcj and suns 1.5 works
12:06 < jeru> hmmm ... can take a look at -> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/jeru/ref/regressions.html ?
12:06 < jeru> I mean can you ;)
12:07 < jeru> because libpano + hugin failing on our last ref build
12:08 < sepp> sure i guess the recent java changes broke it
12:08 < CIA-13> sebastian * r9109 /branches/2.1/package/network/webmin/ (nodefuser.patch setup.patch stone_mod_webmin.sh webmin.conf): * fixed webmin to install all needed files, install working config files to /etc/opt/webmin and fixed stone_mod_webmin
12:09 < jeru> sepp: ack
12:10 < jeru> sepp: have you tried to build libpano with blackdown ?
12:10 < sepp> no
12:11 < jeru> sepp: I think ... blackdown is the default JDK in t2 now 
12:11 < jeru> haven't "monitored" java changes ... so I don't know exactly 
12:13 < CIA-13> chris * r9110 /trunk/package/security/vserver/vserver.desc: * updated vserver patch (2.6.11.9-vs2.0-rc1 -> 2.6.11.10-vs2.0-rc2)
12:22 < rxr> I hate CFStringRef
12:23 < rxr> valentin: how the hell do I do s.th. with a const CFStringRef ?
12:23 < rxr> valentin: I need a equally f*cking NSString and fail to cast, convert, initialize them in some ways
12:23 < rxr> damn Mac hell ...
12:42 < CIA-13> sebastian * r9111 /branches/2.1/package/graphic/libpano/libpano.conf: * fixed libpano to work with the recent java changes
12:43 < valentin> rxr: try NSString stringFromCString or so
12:43 < rxr> ouhm - but that would be ugly like hell ...
12:43 < rxr> I already found a NS wrapper for this CF preferences hell ...
12:53 < valentin> bbl
12:55 < rxr> cu
13:04 < rxr> ok - enough osx hacking for now ...
13:04 < rxr> cu later
13:04  * rxr out of office
13:57 < valentin> moin
14:39 < mnemoc> moin
14:40 < valentin> moin mnemoc 
14:40 < mnemoc> hi valentin 
15:04 < jeru> moin mnemoc 
15:06 < jeru> uhm? sepp ... do you have access to 2.1. branch ? ... oO( thought just the evil release manager can merge into  branch)o
15:07 < mnemoc> nah
15:07 < sepp> what ?
15:07 < jeru> .oO( he is alive)o :)
15:07 < sepp> moin mnemoc btw :)
15:07 < mnemoc> legally only i can commit there
15:08 < jeru> mnemoc: but just legally ... :)
15:08 < mnemoc> but we are a bazar project... i can revert and scream :)
15:08 < mnemoc> moin sepp 
15:08 < sepp> i only fixed the broken webmin and libpano 
15:08 < jeru> hopefully I'll not hear your screams from chile :p
15:09 < mnemoc> :D
15:09 < jeru> sepp: thx
15:09 < mnemoc> sepp: i have reviewed yet, but i trust you did it right
15:12 < sepp> hmm if this is a good idea :)
15:12 < mnemoc> trust is what let the project move :)
15:13 < mnemoc> i don't know the direction, but it moves
15:13 < jsaw> re
15:13 < mnemoc> jsaw!
15:13 < jeru> mnemoc: btw, I've updated vserver patch to rc2 for the recent linux26 kernel ... perhaps you can merge it ... .oO( or I will make evil plans for poluting 2.1)o hehe :)
15:13 < jeru> hi jsaw 
15:13 < jsaw> hi mnemoc 
15:13 < jsaw> hi jeru 
15:14 < mnemoc> jeru: fix vquota for 2.4 if you want me to merge vserver :)
15:15 < jeru> pfff .... go away ;)
15:15 < jeru> mnemoc: do you use 2.4 ? 
15:16 < mnemoc> 2.1 has lx2.4
15:16 < mnemoc> and it is built by default
15:16 < mnemoc> if i enable vserver for a build, it can't pass stage 1
15:17 < mnemoc> i can do it late this week
15:17 < mnemoc> but if you do it first, much better :p
15:18 < jeru> mnemoc: but I guess I'll have no time to fix this vquota stuff the next days .... what's the problem anyway 
15:18 < jeru> patch doesn't apply ?
15:18 < mnemoc> conflict with splashfs
15:18 < jeru> squshfs
15:18 < mnemoc> :p
15:18 < jeru> squashfs
15:18 < jeru> :p
15:18 < mnemoc> that
15:18 < mnemoc> an include which needs to be some lines upper
15:19 < mnemoc> splash :p
15:42 < mnemoc> sepp: how are the constructors named on java?
15:45 < sepp> like the class name iirc but i the only thing i really know about java is how to spell it
15:46 < mnemoc> :)
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15:46 < mnemoc> i have a homework for concurrent programming for today on that crappy language i have never used
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15:58 < jeru> have to move away now ... cu later
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17:24 < valentin> hm, t2 live boots faster from cd than suse from hd
17:27 < rxr_> re
17:27 < rxr_> valentin: cool
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17:27 < rxr> valentin: promote it there - maybe they migrate ...
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17:29 < jeru> re hi
17:29 < valentin> hm - i wonder what our sysadmin will feel like when he hears i have root on his boxes
17:30 < jeru> valentin: oh! this sounds nice :)
17:30 < valentin> btw: snd_via82xx has the same alsa problem
17:30 < jeru> valentin: what have you done ?
17:30 < rxr> what did I miss
17:30 < jeru> hi rxr
17:32 < rxr> hi jeru  hi valentin 
17:32 < valentin> wtf - this is an opteron ?
17:33 < valentin> never noticed the new box in our room is a 64 bit one
17:33 < jeru> valentin: little network hacking session ;)
17:33 < jeru> valentin: go for it and build t2 on it ;)
17:34 < jeru> now that you have root permissions ... 
17:34 < valentin> jeru: good idea !!
17:35 < jeru> valentin: but take care of Helicopter-Otto ...hehe
17:35 < valentin> rxr: i send you the specs
17:37 < valentin> hm, it is some via vt82 chipset
17:38 < jeru> but perhaps we've a Helicopter-Günther from bavaria after the election in 09/2005
17:41 < rxr> 9/11 ?? .oO
17:42 < valentin> there seems to be no matching module for the marvel gigabit ethernet controller
17:43 < rxr> hm
17:43 < valentin> maybe i need to take a look what suse uses
17:44 < valentin> how do i find out the board ? or should i just say via chipset ?
17:44 < jeru> btw, there is a song of Public Enemy's "Fear of a black Planet" (1990 I guess) with the name "911 is a joke"
17:44 < jeru> rxr: sk98lin
17:44 < jeru> rxr: I've the same chip in my test box at work
17:45 < jeru> oh ... sk98lin valentin 
17:46 < valentin> sk98lin what ?
17:46 < jeru> marvell ethernet controller ;)
17:46 < valentin> ah
17:46 < valentin> wow - works
17:46 < jeru> ut it's not autodetected by the livecd atm
17:46 < jeru> valentin: of course ;)
17:46 < valentin> yep :(
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17:53 < mipe> hmm, on linux26 while building adm8211 it errors out, it doesnt seem to call make at all, just preconf and then postmake, which errors out
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18:02 < rxr> hm - the other sparc64 I carried home from the uni does not power on ...
18:02 < rxr> grummel ...
18:02 < rxr> 2 of the boxes did not even had a CPU anymore ...
18:02 < rxr> I heared someone departed them ...
18:02 < rxr> damn peopkle
18:03 < jeru> rxr: are the uni people sell them or just borrowing ?
18:04 < rxr> they are end of life and handed to the univeristy "activity room" or whatever it is called
18:04 < rxr> however they are just standing around ... and people took them home ...
18:04 < rxr> so did I tooo - since the others are not doing anything with them anyway ...
18:04 < jeru> oh! can you organize one for me ? ;)
18:04 < rxr> and some even took the RAM out of the standing once for their box at home ...
18:05 < rxr> well - they are dog slow 360Mhz and I might have to bring them back worst case ...
18:05 < rxr> and the one I have is instable ...
18:05 < rxr> and the other one does not power up ...
18:05 < jeru> hmmm ... damn :/
18:05 < rxr> and the 2 spare once do not have RAM and CPU anymore ...
18:05 < rxr> and there are some sparc clones ...
18:05 < rxr> non Sun
18:05 < rxr> even slower
18:06 < rxr> and I heared today that people tried to place the 360Mhz CPUs from the Sun boxes into them and thus destroyed one or two of the missing ones ..
18:06 < rxr> normal fh chaos
18:06 < jeru> hehe :)
18:09 < rxr> ah - now it does ...
18:14 < rxr> cpu             : TI UltraSparc IIi (Sabre)
18:14 < rxr> Cpu0Bogo        : 714.75
18:14 < jeru> oh! :|
18:14 < rxr> ok - let's see if this box is more stable ...
18:16 < valentin> i'll drive home now
18:16 < valentin> cu later
18:16 < jeru> cu
18:16 < rxr> cu
18:17 < rxr> jeru: oh - on that box a simple chown coredumped ...
18:17 < rxr> what the h*ll crappy boxes are those ..
18:17 < rxr> or the other stupid sudents played all defect
19:10 < mnemoc> re
19:13 < rxr> h imn
19:13 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
19:13 < mnemoc> hi rrx
19:14 < rxr> hey! my typo was an accident!
19:14 < rxr> == 05/25/05 17:00:25 =[2]=> Finished building package binutils.
19:14 < rxr> ^- sparc ...
19:16 < mnemoc> :)
19:22 < mipe> omg, i do not understand why adm8211 doesnt call $make at all
19:23 < rxr> as package or as linux 3rd party module build ?
19:24 < mipe> module
19:24 < rxr> mipe: deselect it and continue
19:24 < rxr> I take a look ,-)
19:25 < mipe> ok,thanks
19:25 < rxr> it was in stage 1 I guess ?
19:25 < mipe> yep
19:26 < rxr> ok - I test
19:29 < rxr> cu
19:30 < mnemoc> ooo-m104 has been building (--with-java=no) for 4 hours... if i'm lucky i trye --with-java=java after that
20:15 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: i wish you luck :)
20:19 < rxr> re
20:19  * rxr too
20:20 < _Lewellyn> re
20:22 < rxr> hi _Lewellyn 
20:22 < CIA-13> rene * r9112 /trunk/package/base/linux26/sk98lin-export-id-table.patch: * added pci id export to the sk98lin driver ...
20:23 < rxr> valentin: ?
20:25 < mnemoc> rxr: if java fails, do you want  java-less m104 on trunk for your livecd?
20:30 < sepp_> is there anything beside sshd that uses /var/empty ?
20:32 < sepp_> it is 777 (on the bootdisk) so sshd setup with stone fails
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20:38 < rxr> mnemoc: well - if it builds commit it - I do not care much about java ...
20:38 < rxr> (as you know =
20:38 < rxr> ) even
20:39 < rxr> sepp_: oeh - details please ,-)
20:39 < sepp_> /var/empty is world readable so sshd does not start
20:40 < sepp_> i just wonder if something else uses /var/empty
20:41 < _Lewellyn> why does sshd need /var/empty?
20:42 < sepp_> or if it would break something if 00-dirtree runs a chmod 0700 var/empty
20:42 < sepp_> no clue
20:42 < valentin> re
20:43 < rxr> valentin: please read mail
20:45 < valentin> hm
20:46 < valentin> why the f do they want mozilla ?
20:46 < valentin> not even firefox ?
20:46 < rxr> yeah - I find it kind of slow and disintegrating anyway ...
20:46 < valentin> imo konqueror integrates better into the desktop
20:47 < rxr> ack - i also do not know why they find some nevagation or soe unfriendly
20:47 < rxr> sound like they want core parts rewritten ...
20:47 < rxr> btw do you look at my OSX code changes?
20:48 < valentin> no
20:48 < valentin> hm, they say we should throw away all applications that are unimportant, but they want games o_O ?
20:49 < rxr> hehe
20:49 < rxr> susan just made a spiecy christmas tea ,-)
20:50 < rxr> valentin: yeah, ... #1!!"??!")??U#
20:52 < rxr> what do you think?
20:54 < rxr> http://guide.apple.com/ <- this is where we could get on for free
21:14 < rxr> /Users/rene/develop/avision-osx/ControlGroup.M:401: error:   crosses initialization of `BOOL media'
21:14 < rxr> ^- huh?
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21:34 < rxr> == 05/25/05 19:17:32 =[2]=> Finished building package gcc.
21:34 < _Lewellyn> someone's saying to strip the livecd? :(
21:34 < rxr> == 05/25/05 19:25:06 =[3]=> Finished building package dietlibc.
21:35 < rxr> ^- sparc64
21:35 < rxr> new box ...
21:35 < rxr> _Lewellyn: strip ?
21:35  * rxr soon of in bed ...
21:35 < _Lewellyn> 11:49 .: valentin: hm, they say we should throw away all applications that are unimportant, but they want games o_O ?
21:35 < rxr> _Lewellyn: that is a commercial project - not the livecd
21:35 < _Lewellyn> ah. ok.
21:36 < rxr> hehe - but the livecd gets OpenOffice and some network stuff ...
21:36 < rxr> n8 all
21:36 < _Lewellyn> i was going to say that it seems to me that one would WANT all sorts of crap on the livecd
21:36 < _Lewellyn> sleep well
21:36 < valentin> gn8 rxr
21:36 < valentin> what is this products guide ?
21:37 < valentin> ah a mocosx supporting hardware list
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23:11 < Postal> Hey all
23:12 < Postal> any news on the dietlibc error yet?
23:13  * _Lewellyn hasn't been following it, sorry
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