--- Log opened Sun May 08 00:00:14 2005
--- Day changed Sun May 08 2005
00:00 < valentin> midnight - a good time to eat my ice ...
00:20 < valentin> re
00:20 < valentin> puh - i took to much ...
00:21 < rxr> lol
00:23 < valentin> i got another two phishing mails in german - and they get worse each time ....
00:23 < valentin> i wonder how many morons fall on this ...
00:23 < valentin> Warnung der Banksicherheitsdienst
00:24 < valentin> In dieser Form
00:24 < valentin> werden Sie ZWEI FOLGENDE TAN - CODEs, DIE SIE NOCH NICHT VERWENDET HABEN, EINTASTEN.
00:27 < valentin> interessting - i got this mail a multiple times, but the link to click points to different ip adresses
00:28 < valentin> most prob. wormed window~1 boxes
00:28 < valentin> too bad they all seem to be offline now
00:28 < mnemoc> o_O
00:30 < valentin> hm, some picture links point to an ip from an university in india
00:36 < rxr> ...
00:37 < rxr> ok - livecd boots into a squashfs now ...
00:37 < mnemoc> :D
00:38 < Veki> o-O
00:38 < Veki> o_O
00:40 < mnemoc> hi Veki 
00:41 < Veki> hi
00:41 < Veki> what's up
00:42 < mnemoc> fighting against gnue-appserver.... damn python leaker
00:44 < Veki> uh, uh
00:45 < Veki> I am trying to set up my machine for various operations I do each day.  Thanking to Linux I feel my laptop as very strong and powerful machine
00:45 < Veki> One day when I will be able to build targets that will make me more power than ever!! of course, thanking to you guys
00:46 < Veki> it is 1 o clock AM and I am awake like a vampire as we say in my country
00:48 < rxr> 00:46 here, too
00:50 < Veki> you are in Germany?
00:50 < rxr> yes
00:50 < Veki> which town?
00:50 < rxr> berlin ,-)
00:51 < Veki> AH, yes I was in berlin several times :-)
00:51 < valentin> Veki: where are you ?
00:52 < Veki> I am in belgrade, Serbia, south from Hungary, north from greece
00:52 < valentin> i know how to find serbia on a world map ,)
00:53 < Veki> it is easy, some US people asked me is Serbia in Africa???
00:53 < Veki> valentin: are you in germany too?
00:53 < rxr> yeah - US folks ...
00:53 < valentin> yes, i live about 10 km away from rxr
00:54 < valentin> US ?
00:54 < mnemoc> american
00:54 < rxr> US people also ask if germany is in the US ...
00:54 < valentin> ah - i overread 00:53 < Veki> it is easy, some US people asked me is Serbia in Africa???
00:55 < valentin> some us ppl were asked to show iraq on a world map and most of them pointed to somewhere in europe or asia ...
00:55 < mnemoc> google.com is down!!
00:56 < Veki> so you are neighbours in a way
00:56 < Veki> you can drink beer together from time to time and sicuss various troubles when compiling packages
00:56 < Veki> discuss my mistake, I am sorry
00:56 < Veki> yes, us guys are sometimes really jerky
00:56 < valentin> technicaly we can, though we seldom drink
00:57 < valentin> Veki: but i know many nice ppl from us
00:57 < valentin> and i know many idiots living right here...
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00:57 < Veki> ok, I did not mean that you are alcoholics, for example you can eat ice cream, walk and discuss
00:57 < valentin> uh - unknown host google.com ??!!!
00:57 < Veki> yes, I have a lot of friends in NY, ALbany, LA< S.FGranciso, Seattle, I lived in NYC
00:57 < Veki> yes, google died
00:58 < valentin> looks like the nameserver died
00:58 < Veki> and I know many idiots here too
00:58 < Veki> It seems to me that each nation is rather productive in generating idiots
00:58 < valentin> there is no infinite resource besides stupidy ...
00:58 < Veki> there is some buggy oced in some people
00:58 < Veki> oced i s code, 
00:59 < valentin> hehe
00:59 < Veki> a couple of nights ago there was TV program  on computer security and they said that hacker is a person who possess skills to eneter computer without permission
00:59 < Veki> that definition is crazy
01:00 < Veki> hacker is not criminla, some hackers are prone to crime , but hacker by defitnition is not criminal
01:00 < valentin> permission in a legal sense ?
01:00 < Veki> possess skills  what is that?
01:00 < Veki> they did not mention in legal sense
01:00 < rxr> .oO(the next design issue ...)
01:00 < Veki> if you do have any live cd you can do that
01:01 < valentin> but what do they mean by "without permission", then ?
01:01 < Veki> at the same TV program they were showing smart cards and IE
01:01 < Veki> ha ha ha, IE and computer security
01:01 < Veki> without permission is not clear, written, oral, but accent is not on permission , hacker is person who posess skills
01:01 < valentin> Veki: tv just serves it's customers
01:02 < valentin> so everyone who knows how to read bugtraq is a hacker ?
01:02 < Veki> yes, it is sometimes better to watch washinm machine while it is in centrifugal mode, at least is doing something good, 
01:02 < valentin> rxr: what issue ?
01:02 < Veki> if your cat is not inside
01:02 < valentin> .oO
01:02 < rxr> alreadu solved ...
01:02 < valentin> cats like hiding inside washing machines...
01:02 < Veki> yes, so all of us are suspects
01:03 < valentin> our cat did that, too
01:03 < Veki> yes, cats sometimes do that
01:04 < Veki> thus, my siemens washing machine is more useful than TV and Msoft which pay them to show IE with smart card and say that it is secure
01:07 < valentin> rxr: on what volume do you create the unionfs ?
01:13 < valentin> google alive again
01:13 < rxr> valentin: what ?
01:13 < mnemoc> does anyone have the link or the name of the 'how to write good mails' essay?
01:14 < mnemoc> it's one like esr' smart-questions but about mails :p
01:15 < valentin> mnemoc: you want to learn how to mail ?
01:16 < mnemoc> valentin: no, i want others to learn :)
01:17 < rxr> valentin: can you rephrase your Q so I understand it ?
01:18 < valentin> rxr: you create a unionfs  cdrom <-> userfiles ? where do you create it ?
01:18 < rxr> I wanted to overlay all - but in single mounts ...
01:19 < rxr> overlay /etc and /home with some user-data and / with some tmpfs to make programs happy ...
01:19 < rxr> why do you ask ?
01:19 < valentin> just interessted
01:25 < Veki> what is purpose of your writing so you need that essay
01:26 < Veki> maybe there is something similar to be recommended
01:35 < mnemoc> do you know if the small hp laserjet 1010 support pcl6?
01:36 < rxr> mnemoc: do you have it or do you consider buying it ?
01:39 < Veki> go on www.linuxprinting.org and you will find data about it, I hope
01:40 < mnemoc> rxr: one just arrived
01:40 < rxr> oh
01:40 < rxr> personally I recomment the kyocera's a lot ...
01:41 < rxr> no idea about the hp, would need google myself ...
01:41 < mnemoc> there are no kyocera printers on chilean market
01:41 < mnemoc> by my cell phone is kyocera :)
01:41 < mnemoc> but*
01:41 < Veki> I have good experience with samsung printers too
01:42 < rxr> there are kyocera cell phones ?!?!
01:42 < mnemoc> at least one :)
01:44 < rxr> ok - finished with tonighs taks ...
01:44 < rxr> live cd code drafted ...
01:44 < Veki> cool
01:44 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/t2-initramfs-ng-v3.iso
01:45 < rxr> booting using initramfs, using hotplug++ and udev and then mounting the squashfs comprseed rootfs and throws a copy on write unionfs over /etc and /home ...
01:45 < rxr> 56MB
01:45 < rxr> but it does not yet contain much toy software ...
01:46 < rxr> just a bin sbin and lib or so from my current desktop build
01:46 < rxr> it is so huge because it contains so much etc and whatever noise ...
01:47  * mnemoc feels dumb trying to configure cups :p
01:48 < rxr> mnemoc: nack - cups is another nightmare ...
01:49 < mnemoc> rxr: what do you suggest? this is 'my' first non-raw printer
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02:00 < rxr> mnemoc: /me is in bed - valentin can help, too ?
02:00 < rxr> s/?//
02:00 < rxr> mnemoc: how is the printer connected? usb or network?
02:01 < mnemoc> usb
02:02 < mnemoc> but gn8 :)
02:02 < rxr> modprobe usblp or so
02:02 < rxr> you need /dev/usblp0 or /dev/usb/lp0 then ...
02:02 < rxr> make sure you have it before you try to teach CUPS ,-)
02:03 < rxr> of course ROCK Plug / hotplug++ will just load it automatically ..
02:03 < mnemoc> it did :)
02:03 < mnemoc> cups found the printer
02:03 < mnemoc> now i have to make it print :\
02:03 < mnemoc> i injected specific .ppd from hp
02:04 < rxr> well if it is PS or PCL just throwing that data into the  /dev device shoudl make it print ;-)
02:04 < rxr> n8 alll
02:04 < mnemoc> n8 rxr :)
02:06 < Veki> good night
02:07 < rxr> n8 mnemoc Veki valentin ...
02:07 < Veki> have nice dreams, do not dream windoze
02:07 < rxr> Veki: thanks - those nightmares stopped 6 or so years ago ,-)
02:08 < Veki> thanks God
02:09 < rxr> yeah - and linus and all of us coders 8-)
02:10 < Veki> yeah, mayeb you can count penguins while felling asleep
02:53 < Veki> I have to go to sleep
02:53 < Veki> cu 
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03:57 < mnemoc> re
04:03 < mnemoc> aaarg... 40 commits to review :(
04:24 < CIA-10> amery * r8704 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-build/: * merged 8675 from 2.1: removed dead and broken gnome-build package
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10:03 < rxr> moin
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11:39 < rxr> this site is the top 2 referer this month ... so far:
11:39 < rxr> http://www.stumbleupon.com/refer.html
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11:40 < rxr> and the gcc.gnu.org benchmark listing accelerated openbench to the most visited exactcode.de page ...
11:44 < rxr> hm - CIA-10 lagging ... ?
11:45 < Veki> I checked stuble upon. cool
11:47 < valentin> moin
11:48 < Veki> min
11:48 < Veki> It is noon, close to here
11:50 < valentin> here, too
11:50 < valentin> 11:50
11:51 < valentin> but this is an international channel, so we say moin all the day
11:51 < Veki> there is region in my country when it is said that peolpe are lazy.  there i sjoke saying that TV at noon news ahould say the first good morning for them and then continue with news
11:51 < Veki> However, we coders are awake all nights and that is not valid for us
11:52 < Veki> It is OK, I am just kidding
11:52 < Veki> :-)))
11:54 < rxr> hi Veki and valentin 
11:54 < Veki> hi
11:55 < rxr> I'm up since a bit - but after the morning coding seassion /me -> breakfast ,-)
11:55 < rxr> after that I'll solder the real live system with X together ,-)
11:55 < valentin> we surpass societies allegiances and work when we have our most productive phase
11:55 < valentin> soldering ? ,)
11:56 < rxr> yp
11:56 < rxr> yep even
11:56 < rxr> btw. the 360 Mhz SPARC is still prducing random errors ..
11:56 < rxr> I'll exchange the hardware on monday ...
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12:04 < jeru> moin
12:04 < valentin> moin monsieur jeru
12:04 < rxr> hi jeru 
12:04 < rxr> how interesting :
12:04 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/59371
12:04 < valentin> rxr: how about making money this way: http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20050508.html
12:06 < rxr> hehe
12:06 < jeru> hi rxr, valentin :)
12:07 < valentin> i sell you a bundle package consisting of a set of ones and zeros that allow for construction of a million software, video and music titles ! only $150 ...
12:07  * valentin cooking tea
12:16 < valentin> _real_ green darjeeling :)
12:17 < Veki> i am gonig to have my brajfast, lunc at once
12:17 < Veki> cu later
12:17 < valentin> enjoy your meal, Veki 
12:18 < Veki> thanks :-)
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12:29 < minto> hi all
12:29 < valentin> hi minto 
12:29 < minto> hi all
12:33 < rxr> hey minto 
12:33 < minto> hi rxr, valentin
12:34 < minto> rxr: building gcc with --enable-shared (without the =yes) run partially fine. 
12:35 < valentin> parially ?
12:35 < valentin> +t
12:35 < minto> new build was a success, but I still no libffi, due to
12:35 < minto> *** This configuration is not supported in the following subdirectories:
12:35 < minto>      target-libffi target-boehm-gc target-zlib target-libjava
12:35 < minto>     (Any other directories should still work fine.)
12:35 < minto> this message was in 5-gcc.log
12:36 < rxr> minto: what --enable-shared did you add? =libffii ?
12:36 < rxr> or just --enable-shared ?
12:36 < minto> just enable-shared
12:37 < minto> it should build all as shared
12:37 < minto> maybe the --disable-libgcj prior to --enable-shared has something to do with this.
12:37 < minto> there is also a --disable-multilib
12:38 < minto> the complete configure line is
12:38 < minto> ===[eval_config_command:245 (last $?=0)> ../configure --prefix=/usr --bindir=/us
12:38 < minto> r/bin --sbindir=/usr/sbin --libdir=/usr/lib --datadir=/usr/share --includedir=/u
12:38 < minto> sr/include --infodir=/usr/info --mandir=/usr/man --sysconfdir=/etc --localstated
12:38 < minto> ir=/var --disable-debug --disable-libpam --disable-pam --build=i386-t2-linux-gnu
12:38 < minto>  --host=i386-t2-linux-gnu --enable-__cxa_atexit --disable-multilib --with-gnu-as
12:38 < minto>  --with-gnu-ld --enable-threads=posix --enable-version-specific-runtime-libs --d
12:38 < minto> isable-libgcj --enable-shared
12:38 < valentin> rxr: we don't have the qt designer thing, do we ?
12:38 < rxr> we should have ...
12:39 < valentin> hm, which dir ?
12:39 < rxr> /opt/qt*/bin ?
12:39 < rxr> $ designer 
12:39 < rxr> ?
12:39 < rxr> works here
12:40 < valentin> ah
12:40 < valentin> too bad this is qt only ...
12:41 < rxr> what do you mean ?
12:42 < valentin> ah - there are some kde widgeds in there
12:43 < mipe> rxr:i suggest that we make grub available as prebuilt static version for x86_64, what do you think?
12:44 < valentin> rxr: i do not wat to produce real code with that - i just need sth to play around and find the widgets i need
12:44 < rxr> valentin: ah
12:44 < rxr> mipe: what is the status at other distributions ?
12:44 < valentin> searching stuff in the reference is quite annoying, if you have no idea how they named common widgets
12:45 < mipe> rxr: they work, gentoo had a static version first but they got it working in normal way
12:51 < rxr> mipe: maybe use lilo if that works until we get grub fixed properly ..
12:57 < rxr> mine - the high tech product:
12:57 < rxr>  4924 Segmentation fault      (core dumped) mine -if -R ./live -x usr/share/doc/* default-*-desktop/TOOLCHAIN/pkgs/$pkg-*.gem
13:02 < jeru> valentin: "Helicopter Otto's" plan of the day: "I want unrestricted access to all private bank accounts for my intelligence services"
13:03 < rxr> jeru: what ?
13:04 < minto> hi salsa jeru, who is Otto?
13:04 < rxr> a minister in Germany ...
13:04 < rxr> minister for the inner ...
13:05 < rxr> 31793 Segmentation fault      (core dumped) mine -if -R ./live -x usr/share/doc/* -x usr/lib/lib*.a default-*-desktop/TOOLCHAIN/pkgs/$pkg-*.gem
13:05  * minto will not open a bank account in Germany.
13:05 < rxr> 2.2 TODO item at the top: rm -rf this mine crap ...
13:05 < rxr> jeru: maybe he needs to track who buys spray cans ?
13:06 < rxr> for his eXTreme sprayer hunting campain ,-)
13:07 < jeru> rxr: this could be the reason :)
13:08 < valentin> jeru: realy ?
13:08 < valentin> +l
13:08 < jeru> valentin: yep
13:08 < rxr> or he likes to track who has enough money to reduce arbeitslosengeld II for those ...
13:09 < valentin> rxr: they can do that allready
13:09 < rxr> yeah - I know ...
13:10 < valentin> date -> year = (date -> year) - 21;
13:10 < rxr> ?
13:11 < rxr> should the live cd include subversion ?
13:13 < rxr> # du -csh live
13:13 < rxr> 2.0G    live
13:13 < rxr> ok - that needs to be stripped down ...
13:13 < valentin> magazine cd: no  -  t2 cd : yes, togerther with all tools needed to bootstrap a t2 build
13:17 < rxr> var/adm is 33MB alone ...
13:17 < valentin> helicopter rigth in front of my window
13:18 < rxr> valentin:  ?
13:18 < valentin> r0cket l4uncher, anyone ?
13:18 < rxr> 8.5M    cksums
13:18 < rxr> 1.6M    dependencies
13:18 < rxr> 1.6M    descs
13:18 < rxr> 8.4M    flists
13:18 < rxr> 11M     md5sums
13:18 < rxr> 1.6M    packages
13:18 < rxr> mnemoc: let's wipe the cksums stuff for 2.1 and 2.2 ..
13:19 < minto> valentin: better watch your bank account. Maybe Otto is inside the Helicopter. :-)
13:24 < valentin> this heli floats over a quite fixed position for 10 minutes now - maybe they spotted a "sprayer" ?
13:25 < minto> rxr: looks like --disable-libgcj prevents libffi & co from being built.
13:26 < rxr> really ?
13:26 < mipe> rxr: lilo does run and stuff, but it doesnt install itself... complains about sata raid
13:27 < minto> rxr: I am afraid so, I'll have to wait till bulding is finished to know for sure.
13:27 < rxr> minto: hm
13:28 < rxr> mipe: hm
13:28 < rxr> minto: I think disable-libgcj is not vital - maybe use svn blame to find out when it was last touched  or so...
13:28 < rxr> but we could just remove it - since for GNU Step libffi is also handy ...
13:29 < minto> Maybe this rings a bell?
13:29 < minto> #       if [ "$SDECFG_PKG_GCC_JAVA" != 1 ] ; then
13:29 < minto> #               var_append confopt " " "--disable-libgcj"
13:29 < minto> #       fi
13:30 < minto> I commented it out for testing.
13:30 < rxr> ah - because it needs so long to build ,-)
13:33 < rxr> hm - removing *.a and *.h does not gain much - about 50MB+ but not much more ...
13:33 < rxr> and *.la even ...
13:33  * minto wonders about the libffi and zlib relation to libgcj, boehm-gc and libjava seem obvious.
13:34 < rxr> with some pattern rm -rf'ig applied I'm at 1.9GB - uncompressed size of the livecd
13:34 < rxr> I do not really see a libffi java relation - maybe bug in the makefile
13:34 < rxr> or maybe it is mostly needed for java in the gcc build and it is possible to force it to build when java is disabled ...
13:38 < rxr> ah - tex this big bastard
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13:40 < mtr> hi
13:40 < rxr> hi mtr 
13:44 < mtr> mnemoc: ooo-m100 did build here, but i have to admit that it build after sun's jdk 142
13:49 < minto> Ahhh, in gcc configure
13:49 < minto> # libgcj represents the runtime libraries only used by gcj.
13:49 < minto> libgcj="target-libffi \
13:49 < minto>         target-boehm-gc \
13:49 < minto>         target-zlib \
13:49 < minto>         target-qthreads \
13:49 < minto>         target-libjava"
13:58 < minto> Uhhhh, libffi beta?
13:58 < minto> gcc: usr/lib/libffi-2.00-beta.so
13:58 < minto> gcc: usr/lib/libffi.a
13:58 < minto> gcc: usr/lib/libffi.la
13:58 < minto> gcc: usr/lib/libffi.so
13:58 < rxr> hehe
13:59 < minto> Maybe I'll have a look at gcc 4
13:59 < minto> See what it is there
13:59 < rxr> why, don't they wokr ?
13:59 < rxr> -beta? and I'm sure the will work perfectly ,-)
13:59 < rxr> gcc-4.0 is not yet able to bootstrap a whole distribution
13:59 < minto> I guess it will work
13:59 < rxr> let aside just compiling some binaries correctly ...
14:01 < minto> I am just curious about gcc 4, and if this strange libffi libgcj mariage is still there.
14:06 < rxr> 540344320 May  8 14:03 ../live.squash
14:06 < rxr> why do I restrict the package selection at all ?!?! ;-) fits on a CD *g*
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14:09 < rxr> incompressed was: 1.5G 
14:09 < minto> cu cia
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14:12 < valentin> when will there be KGB ?
14:15 < minto> In gcc 4 still maried and still beta.
14:22 < rxr> -ao alsa -vf pp=lb/hb/vb/dr/al
14:22 < rxr> just my mplayer dvb-t filter line - just when my bash history overflows the next time ...
14:29 < minto> rxr: Does it make sense to have a libffi package. The libffi directory in gcc seems to be isolated enough that this could work.
14:30 < minto> this way libffi is possible without libgcj. Or do you prefer to patch the gcc configure script?
14:33 < rxr> no - building seperately is fine
14:42 < rxr> I could release the first quite fully working livecd now
14:42 < rxr> the biggest missing part is configuring X ,-)
15:06 < rxr> squash compression takes ages ...
15:17 < rxr> ok - X up and running in the live CD inside qemu ...
15:20 < valentin> automaticaly configured ?
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15:28 < rxr> nope - that after my lunch noddles ... I consume wathing the last f1 rounds ...
15:30 < valentin> msc out again :)
15:31 < rxr> hehehe
15:32 < rxr> I want frentzen back ...
15:34 < valentin> rxr: watch DTM
15:34 < valentin> hakkinen and alesi are there, too
15:37 < rxr> dtm is boring
15:38 < valentin> i saw a bit of the race last week - there is much more action than in an average f1 race - and the cars do not fall into pieces each time they hit a ground wave or sth
15:41 < rxr> damn - squashing 1.5GB or so into 5xx MB really takes some time ...
15:42 < valentin> how fast is decompressing compared to raw read ?
15:43 < rxr> squash performance on decompression and file access is very good
15:43 < valentin> did you test this on your ibook or your fat athlon ? :)
15:44 < rxr> I think when I do the next mksquashfs run I drive to  lidl and get me new cookies ..
15:45 < rxr> I read other peoples benchmarks .-)
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15:51 < mipe> what features does the livecd have? more or less desktop target?
15:52 < rxr_> yes - fully running system - knoppix alike, just T2 based and not so ugly implemented ...
15:53 < mipe> kde,gnome,xfce,etc...?
15:53 < mipe> at kde
15:53 < mipe> s/at/ah
15:54 < rxr_> of cours this is interchangeable for custom T2 based live CDs ...
15:54 < rxr_> my first one will be quite feature complete, using KDE and later including OOo
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16:34 < rxr_> subversion 1.2.0-rc3 is out
16:34 -!- You're now known as rxr
16:43 < rxr> ok - in theory KDE starts within the live cd
16:43 < rxr> so /me getting some cookies and then I'll code the X auto config and such ...
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17:04 < valentin> wtf - snow and hail ?
17:04 < rxr> snow ?
17:04 < rxr> I wanted to step into the outside - and it is snowing in berlin? or what ?
17:06 < valentin> quite big hail corns ...
17:06 < rxr> not here yet
17:06 < valentin> and now there is lightning and thunder ...
17:06 < valentin> stopped here again
17:08 < valentin> http://www.wetteronline.de/daten/radar/dber/std.gif?63b07239a0a14dcc6139db6e6e897305&LANG=de
17:08 < rxr> maybe god did not like otto's citizan observation ...
17:08 < valentin> it moves on east ...
17:08 < valentin> so you are quite save until the next front arives...
17:09 < rxr> valentin: can you test:
17:09 < rxr> initramfs-tinkering$ vi xdetect
17:09 < rxr> ^- on my haudraufinix on some boxes ?
17:09 < valentin> test vi or xdetect ?
17:09 < rxr> of cours xdetect
17:09 < rxr> I just pasted what as on screen ,-)
17:10 < valentin> can you cp it into you outpost dir ?
17:11 < rxr> done
17:11 < rxr> o second
17:11 < rxr> now
17:11 < valentin> wonderfull rainbow outside ...
17:11 < rxr> the previous version had a typo 
17:13 < valentin> which dir ?
17:13 < rxr> so far it is tested to reliable detect radeon ,-)
17:13 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/xdetect
17:14 < valentin> Video card:10.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500]
17:14 < valentin> X Driver:   radeon
17:14 < rxr> yep
17:14 < rxr> I noticed on PPC the layout is different - thus the stray numbers show up on my KISS cut ...
17:15 < valentin> i think driver should be "ati" ?
17:15 < rxr> nope readeon works too
17:15 < rxr> radeon even
17:15 < rxr> that is even faster since ati is a multiplexer
17:15 < valentin> wow - seldom saw such a fantastic rainbow ...
17:16 < valentin> to sad kerstin is at her mother today.
17:16 < rxr> when you reget the file now, the outptu should eb nicer
17:17 < valentin> i count 3 times violet in arc 1 and then there is another rainbow above
17:17 < rxr> valentin: some camera handy ....
17:17 < rxr> on the SPARC it also works:
17:17 < rxr> root@corona:/t2-trunk# sh ./xdetect 
17:17 < rxr> Video card: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro 215GP (rev 5c)
17:17 < rxr> X Driver:   ati
17:17 < valentin> rxr: only analogue
17:17 < rxr> valentin: well enough - I have 16 bit scanners here ,-)
17:18 < rxr> on the IBM RS/6000 B50:
17:18 < rxr> Video card: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G200 (rev 01)
17:18 < rxr> X Driver:   mga
17:18 < rxr> ok - not mad ,-)
17:19 < valentin> kerstin took the camera - and now it disappears :((
17:19 < valentin> i should buy my own digicam....
17:20 < daja77> now you know why women are evil ^^
17:20 < valentin> daja - i've seen it, she will miss ....
17:20 < daja77> .oO (they sometimes put a hat on you ...)
17:21 < valentin> ok, enough nature for today, back to the code.
17:21 < rxr> valentin: if you chould cross read over the tiny matching script and point out typos ...
17:21 < mipe> hmm,can someone provide desktop(ish) iso?
17:21 < rxr> I tested it on the hardware I have avail so far ...
17:21 < rxr> mipe: my latest official ones are online - follow the ISO link on the homepage ...
17:22 < rxr> I also could provide you with a alpha live cd ... ,-)
17:22 < rxr> but that is on my home box with 192kBit/s upload ...
17:22 < valentin> rxr: i do not even know most of the drivers ,)
17:23 < mipe> rxr:beta3 isos? none has beta4?
17:23 < rxr> I meant like obious typos - or variable mistypes ...
17:23 < rxr> mipe: I wanted to provide final ISOs hand did not bother to upload the intermediate ones ...
17:23 < mipe> so beta3 are the lastest?
17:24 < rxr> most probably -)
17:24 < valentin> rxr: i see no error so far
17:26 < valentin> i wonder if there is another demonstratin here, because now there are two helicopters flying around
17:26 < rxr> reload - tiny update at the end of the case
17:26 < rxr> so we default to either vesa of fbdev - depending on the platform
17:27 < valentin> rxr: nope ?
17:28 < valentin> maybe you need to copy it again ?
17:28 < rxr> I copied it and see it in my browser
17:29 < valentin> am i blind ?
17:29 < rxr> at the _end_ of the case?
17:29 < valentin> ah - fscking konqueror
17:29 < rxr> with uname  ...
17:30 < valentin> no - i see my local copy, konqueror overwrites the url when doing a "save as"
17:30 < rxr> ah ,-)
17:33 < valentin> Video card: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA 1064SG [Mystique] (rev 03)
17:33 < valentin> X Driver:   mga
17:33 < valentin> on grum
17:33 < valentin> shall i boot my girl's x86 machine ?
17:36 < rxr> what card was in there ?
17:36 < valentin> your old matrox millenium iirc
17:36 < valentin> bullsh*t
17:36 < rxr> leave ir for now
17:36 < rxr> should work
17:36 < valentin> not the millenium but ...
17:36 < valentin> damn, was it the G450 ?
17:37 < rxr> yep
17:37 < rxr> I'm confident it will work ...
17:42 < valentin> rxr: in the current linux mag there is an article about OE
17:43 < rxr> oh
17:43 < rxr> i the meantime I also read a bit on their homepage
17:43 < rxr> it is way more taken apart into different modules
17:43 < rxr> and it looks like a paint to work with it
17:43 < rxr> get the build system (bitmake) from that svn - get the package parameters from theere
17:43 < rxr> and so on ...
17:45 < valentin> yep
17:45 < valentin> but they manage to hype themself quite good
17:45 < valentin> because they have "targets" for some interessting pda stuff...
17:45 < rxr> we'll also continue doing so - guess what I'll do when the live CD baby is ready ...
17:46 < rxr> whith a hell of a live CD and easy to use desktop where everything is put together to work great we could get quite some good news for T2 ,-)
17:47 < valentin> their bitbake stuff seems to be a big piece of crap ... our build system is far more advanced
17:47 < rxr> that is also what I wrote in the Linux intern embedded article *evil grin*
17:47 < valentin> but if they get a big community, they may take up in packages/targets
17:49 < rxr> yeah - we should push that area too
17:49 < rxr> it is starting and it is importent to be among the ones gaining public attention in beginning to grow with it
17:49 < valentin> esp because they have ""working"" solutions for famous pda's
17:50 < rxr> yeah - to bad we do not waste our time with this PDA toys ...
17:51 < valentin> give me a zaurus for free and i will do ... :)
17:51 < rxr> haha ,-)
17:51 < rxr> valentin: we could call those people and tell them we need a test device for the magazine
17:51 < valentin> hm ...
17:51 < rxr> wasn't that the interesting part when we get editor in chief or so position ...
17:52 < valentin> you want to become the chief editor ?
17:53 < rxr> I meant this hardware whatever area we / I whoever might get offered
17:53 < rxr> to do
17:54 < rxr> # sh xdetect 
17:54 < rxr> Video card: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]
17:54 < rxr> X Driver:   radeon
17:54 < rxr> DDC read failed
17:54 < rxr> No mode from DDC detection, using default!
17:54 < rxr> Using mode: 1024x768
17:55 < rxr> # sh xdetect 
17:55 < rxr> Video card: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]
17:55 < rxr> X Driver:   radeon
17:55 < rxr> Standard timing 0: 70 Hz, 640x480
17:55 < rxr> Standard timing 1: 85 Hz, 800x600
17:55 < rxr> Standard timing 2: 85 Hz, 1024x768
17:55 < rxr> Using mode: 1024x768
17:56 < rxr> good enough for now ?
17:56 < rxr> the first was my 21" RGBHV BNC connected beast the later my 17" Vobis crap I payed too much for in 1996 ...
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18:12 < rxr> f*ck CIA
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18:50 < valentin> somehow i do not fully understand the qt concept
18:50 < mipe> to get more users, T2 needs other or more developed end-user package management. since i doubt every admin wants to rebuild a target to satisfy one user(pc) needs. also not just one package version support,lets say admin needs to downgrade a package to few pcs,i doubt he starts to build a target for it.
18:51 < mipe> bbl, need shower
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18:56 < tilix> rxr: congratulations on the livecd-ng
19:03 < mnemoc_> mipe: we will implement multi-instance packages with foo-%
19:07 < rxr> re
19:08 < rxr> mnemoc_: we will ? I think the forking, splitting multi whatever need a bit miditation and rethought ...
19:08 < rxr> h imnj
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19:09 < mnemoc_> rxr: of course it will need meditaion, be finally that 'feature' is part of what we will get from foo-%
19:10 < rxr> mnemoc_: the live cd will rock
19:10 < rxr> and tonight it will boot into X with driver auto detection and DDC info query ...
19:11 < mnemoc_> :D
19:17 < rxr> == 18:43:41 =[5]=> Building x11/xorg [6.8.2 2.2.0-alpha].
19:17 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 99.97% (3888 hits, 1 misses)
19:17 < rxr> livecd rebuild in what? 12 h ,-)
19:17 < rxr> == 05/08/05 19:17:00 =[5]=> Finished building package xorg.
19:19 < mnemoc_> god bless ccache
19:20 < mnemoc_> and per-package idea :)
19:21 < rxr> and permanent idea
19:22 < tilix> rxr: what are you using for X driver autodetection?
19:23 < mnemoc_> rxr: tell me when i can download the next iso please
19:25 < tilix> rxr: is there an option in the livecd to specify the screen refresh rate? (for monitors with broken DDC chip)
19:27 < rxr> tilix: lspci matching in a bash script ,-)
19:27 < rxr> and ddxinfo to choose a mode on the monitors range - if connected and DDC presentz
19:27 < rxr> tilix: it will have ,-)=
19:28  * rxr shortly away ...
19:28 < rxr> it defaults to 1024x786 at 16bi - do you think this is save? ;-)
19:28 < rxr> cu soon
19:29 < tilix> it is
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19:46 < mnemoc_> http://plone.org/documentation/how-to/ask-for-help <-- interesting :)
19:51 < valentin> copy and s/plone/t2/g ?
19:54 < valentin> F**K - xemacs c++ indenting mode fails terribly on qt SLOTs declaration
19:54 < valentin> and all theese helicopters drive me mad - what is it they watch ?
19:59 < valentin> maybe they fear there are some terrorists planing an attack - but who would attack our district ?
19:59 < daja77> what have you done, that they are looking for you
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20:06 < valentin> daja77: if they were looking for me, i'd know it :)
20:07 < daja77> hehe bad luck if you don't ^^
20:10 < jeru> re hi :)
20:10 < jeru> oh! helicopter issue again :)
20:10 < jeru> valentin: hopefully it wasn't because of our talk yesterday :)
20:13 < mnemoc_> don't you know? valentin is sprayer
20:13 < rxr> re
20:13 < mnemoc_> hi rxr
20:13 < jeru> hi mnemoc_ :) I guess our talk wasn't about spraying ... 
20:14 < rxr> maybe it is due to too much CIA and KGB in this channel ..
20:14 < jeru> it was about some methods to get helicopters down :D
20:14 < rxr> intermixed with encryption and political talking ,-)
20:14 < jeru> rxr: oh! bad mix
20:14 < rxr> ah yes - and this rockets and blueprints ..
20:14 < mnemoc_> rxr: after 2.1 is out i'll code kgb
20:15 < rxr> sounds good
20:19 < mnemoc_> rxr: we will you add my mirror for 2.2.0-alpha? :)
20:19 < mnemoc_> s/we/when/
20:22 < valentin> hi jeru
20:23 < valentin> you were at the protesting ?
20:23 < jeru> hi valentin 
20:23 < mnemoc_> against what?
20:25 < valentin> either against or for nationalist party, depends on which side of the police line one stands...
20:26 < jeru> valentin: I wasn't on the demonstration ... I simply had a date :)
20:27 < rxr> jeru: oohh!
20:28 < valentin> your salsa girl ?
20:28 < jeru> rxr: why "ohhh!" ?
20:28 < jeru> valentin: yep
20:29 < valentin> sorry for suspecting you to be a rioter :)
20:29 < jeru> valentin: I'm one :D
20:29 < jeru> hehe
20:29 < valentin> ok, there were no riots today, because the nationalists decided to dissolve before it started
20:30 < jeru> valentin: damn "brown" pack
20:30 < valentin> the good side is the majority...
20:31 < daja77> hm talking about dates, this chan gets interesting
20:33 < valentin> jeru: don't spare us the details :)
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20:34 < jeru> valentin: you know I'm a gentleman :)
20:34 < jeru> valentin: you know the logging 
20:34 < daja77> http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~jahre/party-2005-05-07/.tmp/IMG_2045.JPG.html <- /me this morning ^^
20:35 < jeru> daja77: seems that was a hard party :D
20:35 < daja77> indeed, that pic was shot at 4am
20:37 < valentin> :)
20:38 < valentin> the other photographs are interessting, too *g*
20:38 < daja77> :D
20:38 < valentin> http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~jahre/party-2005-05-07/.tmp/IMG_2025.JPG.html
20:38 < valentin> who is that poor being ? ,)
20:39 < daja77> hehe a fellow student, he did that for a coke from me ^^
20:40 < valentin> ok, seen enough drunk ppl for today ...
20:40 < daja77> he is on other pics too, not looking that evil
20:40 < daja77> hehe
20:40 < daja77> i wasn't drunk
20:40 < valentin> nooooo .... of course not :P
20:41 < daja77> no really, had to drive with the car
20:41 < valentin> oh
20:41 < rxr> GNU GRUB 0.97 
20:41 < daja77> i was just damn tired ^^
20:41 < daja77> http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~mikg/ale_party/pages/IMAG0051.htm <- shows me sort of dancing, anyway I am offtopic
20:41 < valentin> daja77: with your car it is even save to drink and drive (though it is not save to encounter you in a normal car then)
20:42 < daja77> O_o
20:42 < valentin> s/car/tank :)
20:43 < valentin> who is that lady ?
20:43 < daja77> it was her birthday party ^^
20:43 < daja77> a friend of a friend ...
20:48 < daja77> yeah http://www.dashboardwidgets.com/showcase/details.php?wid=114
20:50 < valentin> daja: haha :)
20:51 < valentin> please create a t2 package
20:53 < valentin> http://www.backfire.dk/EMPIRENORTH/newsite/products_en002_instructions.htm
20:53 < valentin> saw that a long time ago and remembered now
20:54 < daja77> ^^
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20:59 < rxr> daja77: does knoppix open ordenary text consols on vc1 - vc6 ?
21:01 < daja77> perhaps only on vc2, not sure
21:19 < mnemoc_> rxr: do we need /source on 2.1?
21:25 < rxr> no
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21:27 < rxr> by by CIA-10
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21:29 < mnemoc_> wb CIA-10 
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21:35 < mnemoc_> hi minto 
21:35 < mnemoc_> minto: did you do the changes for java-base?
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21:41 < mtr> hi
21:43 < mnemoc_> hi mtr
21:51 < jeru> hi mtr
21:52 < mtr> hi jeru 
21:55 < mtr> mnemoc_: in your ref build, did you reschedule fusionsound after the pkgconfig downgrade? seems to me that the build failure is related to this
22:01 < rxr> mnemoc_: the microcodectl fix is not yet merged, is it ?
22:11 < mnemoc_> it is
22:11 < mnemoc_> mtr: ok, i'll do
22:13 < mtr> mnemoc_: issue #27: i updated mythtv to 0.18 and successfully build it on trunk, please merge r8676 into 2.1
22:13 < mnemoc_> mtr: the error present
22:15 < mnemoc_> mtr: but i'll try again
22:15 < mtr> mnemoc_: ? you get the same error after updating to 0.18 ?
22:15 < mnemoc_> mtr: yes
22:16 < mnemoc_> mtr: and ooo-m100 needs bdb java bindings... which we have _neve_ build
22:16 < mnemoc_> nerver*
22:16 < mnemoc_> mtr: that means we have to repriorize JDKs before bdb
22:17 < mnemoc_> s/nerver/never/
22:17 < rxr> mnemoc_: I do not want ooo depending on java bindings I do not wanna have ...
22:17 < mnemoc_> == 05/08/05 16:26:34 =[5]=> Finished building package fusionsound.
22:17 < mnemoc_> rxr: if we don't, we will have to drop it
22:17 < mtr> what ooo options do we have? A. revert update
22:18 < mnemoc_> rxr: _rene_ told me that considering bdb bindings build with jikes and gcj (and debian pacakge them) they can consider it a mandatory requirement
22:22 < rxr> grummel ..
22:22 < rxr> damn java fluff ...
22:22 < mnemoc_> ack
22:22 < rxr> seems I need to waste a lot of CPU cycles just to build gcj in the desktop target then ...
22:23 < mnemoc_> rxr: why not jikes?
22:23 < rxr> what is "jikes" *g* ...
22:24 < mnemoc_> a java compiler written in c by ibm
22:26 < rxr> why not gcj ?
22:29 < mnemoc_> jikes is a package, you can not install it
22:29 < mnemoc_> if you build gcj you will have it in your gcc for ever
22:30 < rxr> on 2.2 I want to migrate to the seperate gcc packages anyway
22:30 < rxr> the GCC team already provides them ...
22:30 < rxr> gcc-core gcc-c++ gcc-gcj and so on
22:30 < mnemoc_> rxr: can you add t2.geeks.cl to 2.2.0-alpha mirror list please, i am downloading from your box even having a mirror on the same lan
22:30 < daja77> .oO (split packages .. /me hides)
22:30 < mnemoc_> rxr: optional i hope
22:31 < rxr> no
22:31 < rxr> we need this anyway for extended cross building ..
22:31 < rxr> for the c++ compiler we need the C library ...
22:31 < rxr> thus:
22:31 < rxr> system-header
22:31 < rxr> binutils
22:31 < rxr> gcc
22:31 < rxr> glibc
22:31 < rxr> g++
22:31 < rxr> where system-header includes the glibc headers ...
22:32 < mnemoc_> can we wait for 2.3 for that?
22:32 < rxr> and it will download only the required files - since the sources are already split up
22:32 < rxr> mnemoc_: you want a very quick 2.2 eh?
22:32 < rxr> when we announce 2.2 next months with perfect live cd and 2.3 in the late summer this can be a deal ...
22:33 < mnemoc_> rxr: we need 2.1 out first 
22:33 < rxr> hehe ,-) yes
22:33 < mnemoc_> rxr: 2.2 with hotplug++
22:33 < mnemoc_> rxr: and cheap migration from 2.1
22:33 < rxr> hotplug++ and udev
22:33 < mnemoc_> yes
22:34 < rxr> and the cool livecd ... - bot this rock times wannabe ,-)
22:34 < mnemoc_> rxr: no bashing :)
22:34 < rxr> udev-057/etc/udev/frugalware/
22:35 < rxr> frugal what ?
22:35 < mnemoc_> o_O
22:35 < rxr> mnemoc_: bashing? ah - yes that bash3 is still unusable in rock ... :-)
22:35 < rxr> that is our patches still not applied ,-)
22:35 < mnemoc_> :(
22:39 < rxr> okok - I stop it ...
22:41 < mnemoc_> rxr: :)
22:42 < daja77> hm which patch
22:42 < rxr> some days ago there was still one in subaster
22:43 < rxr> lingering sin january ...
22:43 < rxr> with a comment from jsaw or so that an update is also available
22:44 < daja77> that update was committed on 2005-01-26, no idea why that patch wasn't discarded earlier
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22:47 < mnemoc_> == 05/08/05 16:57:31 =[5]=> Finished building package gnome-volume-manager. <--- finally!
22:48 < daja77> and btw feel free to say whatever you want ...
22:48 < jeru> mnemoc_: :)
22:49 < rxr> daja77: nope - nothing to add ..
22:49 < daja77> k.
22:51 < mnemoc_> rxr: can i freely rm /sroure from 2.1 branch?
22:51 < rxr> yes
22:52  * rxr tea
22:52 < mnemoc_> tea-0.90 :p
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23:00 < mnemoc_> mtr_: mythtv building
23:03 < jeru> good night all ... have to leave early in the morning ... cu tomorrow :)
23:03 < mtr_> mnemoc_: did you merge all my changes to mythtv, including .conf changes and the obsolete patch?
23:03 < rxr> cu jeru 
23:03 < mtr_> good night jeru
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23:04 < mnemoc_> mtr_: i merged 8675:8676
23:05 < mnemoc_> mtr_: but is building... no error yet
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23:05 < mnemoc_> mtr_: and it is eating my box :)
23:06 < mtr_> mnemoc_: yep, merge is ok, on my (rather slow) machine it took nearly 60 minutes to build
23:06 < valentin> cu jeru
23:06 < mnemoc_> mtr_: cpu 98% and 45% of memory
23:06 < mnemoc_> mtr_: outch
23:06 < valentin> damn - i hate those qt container system
23:06 < mnemoc_> cu jeru 
23:06 < mnemoc_> hi Veki 
23:08 < valentin> hi vampire-Veki
23:08  * jeru is switching in hibernate mode 
23:08 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFE12A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
23:08 < Veki> hi
23:08 < Veki> I am again ready for night session and I am prety thirsty
23:08 < mtr_> mnemoc_: that cpu load is myst-ic :) isn't it
23:09 < mnemoc_> mtr_: myst-cow
23:10 < rxr> mnemoc_: do you like the rock inherited issue ? I think we should search paint a more attractive one, no?
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23:10 < valentin> what issue ?
23:10 < mnemoc_> rxr: sure... from igloo also?
23:10 < rxr> the login issue ...
23:10 < mnemoc_> valentin: the insane pinguin
23:10 < rxr> yes - and I hate the insane pinguin
23:11 < rxr> it is so uniniting - unfriendly ...
23:11 < mnemoc_> do we want a 'graphic' issue?
23:11 < valentin> ah - the issue text file
23:11 < mnemoc_> :)
23:12 < sparc-kly|U2> Linux sparc 2.4.29-sparc #2 SMP Tue Apr 12 23:14:25 GMT 2005 sparc64 sun4u TI UltraSparc I   (SpitFire) GNU/Linux
23:12 < sparc-kly|U2> :D
23:12 < rxr> mnemoc_: nah - I meant painting another nicer textual one
23:12 < rxr> what grphic stuff people add is their business
23:12 < mnemoc_> rxr: ack
23:12 < valentin> i like the penguin, but feel free to replace it
23:12 < rxr> valentin: this penguin in attacking mode ?
23:13 < valentin> looks more like an evil grin to me
23:13 < valentin> much better than what we have in /etc/issue
23:15 < rxr> oh - we still have not replaced ROCK to T2 in those issues ... *g*
23:17 < mnemoc_> sparc-kly|U2i wasn't able to build 0-binuitls on your debian :(
23:19 < sparc-kly|U2> i try to build here . this is gentoo . 
23:19 < sparc-kly|U2> 1st i need update portage :D 
23:23 < rxr> sparc-kly|U2: T2 builds fine on SPRACS
23:23 < rxr> we actively use it on them ...
23:23 < rxr> Ultra IIs even ...
23:23 < rxr> up to 360Mhz ...
23:23 < rxr> sparc32 runs perfect
23:24 < rxr> 64 bit binaries (nearly no other distributions ships) start to work more and more
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23:24 < rxr> but I can not yet gurantee X works in 64 bit userspace
23:24 < rxr> but it builds ...
23:24 < rxr> but the last time I tried it on the Ultra 30 with a Creator 3D it crashed on startup
23:25 < rxr> the sparc 32bit binaries (nearly any other distribution ships for the 64bit machines - like gentoo does - does work on those ...
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23:26 < sparc-kly|U2> ok perfect :D 
23:27 < rxr> I plan to have the first official SPARC CD set at the end of the sumemr ...
23:27 < rxr> but since this is not daily business it is done in rainy and spare minutes ...
23:28 < rxr> valentin: what is your qNet progress ?
23:31 < rxr> btw. 128MB are enough for the live CD
23:31 < rxr> I run qemu with that ammount so far ...
23:31 < valentin> there seems to be no way to define a logical size for a qt widget
23:31 < valentin> eg size in text size
23:32 < valentin> either i hardcode pixels
23:32 < valentin> or i set an autoresize flag
23:32 < valentin> both suck for ip address fields
23:32 < valentin> i do not care for now ..
23:32 < rxr> I think the plan to have a "-pre-beta" tomorrow will have to be abondone ?
23:33 < valentin> depends on how far i come today
23:34 < valentin> maybe the QFont classes have some kind of size hints ...
23:34 < valentin> be back in some minutes...
23:37 < CIA-10> rene * r8724 /trunk/package/base/embutils/embutils.desc: * marked embutils as DIETLIBC
23:38 < CIA-10> rene * r8725 /trunk/package/base/modutils/modutils.conf: 
23:38 < CIA-10> * removed the explicit static request from modutils In 2.2 it is
23:38 < CIA-10>  normally linked with dietlibc for initramfs embedding anyway.
23:38 < CIA-10> rene * r8726 /trunk/package/audio/flac/flac.desc: 
23:38 < CIA-10> * removed Niklaus Filus as flac maintainer - he is gone since
23:38 < CIA-10>  the good old dRock days ...
23:38 < mnemoc_> rxr: did you saw minutils and skaembutils from skarnet.org?
23:39 < rxr> nope
23:39 < rxr> but someone announced a dietlibc shell today on the dietlibc list
23:41 < CIA-10> amery * r8727 /branches/2.1/package/multimedia/mythtv/ (mythtv.conf mythtv.desc settings-pro.patch): * merged 8676 from trunk: updated mythtv (0.16 -> 0.18), added plugins and themes, and cleaned.
23:41 < rxr> damn - I think I need to get sleep soon
23:41 < rxr> my eyes feel so tired ...
23:41 < rxr> guess my body demands more sleep
23:42 < mnemoc_> bodies have tha bad habit
23:42 < rxr> quite some design failure ... ,-)
23:43 < mnemoc_> yep
23:43 < rxr> I wonder if I should throw money into iTunes to just buy the songs I want ...
23:43 < rxr> if I would know if I can get the files out onto my Linux box then ...
23:44 < daja77> just know that you can use the ipod without itunes if you want on linux
23:44 < mnemoc_> rxr: don't forget to add my mirror please :(
23:45 < rxr> the problem is your ending ...
23:45 < rxr> what was the URL ?
23:46 < mnemoc_> http://t2.geeks.cl/mirror/$version
23:46 < rxr> don#t you talk about your source mirror ?=
23:47 < mnemoc_> source is at http://t2.geeks.cl/mirror/
23:47 < mnemoc_> download mirror at http://t2.geeks.cl/mirror/$version/
23:48 < rxr> huh? I do not see the later in the dir listing ...
23:48 < mnemoc_> becasue they are aliases
23:48 < mnemoc_> but i can make dirs to fake ahierarchy
23:49 < mnemoc_> minute
23:49 < rxr> ok - no problem
23:49 < rxr> lave it so 
23:49 < mnemoc_> solved :)
23:50 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/download.html
23:50 < rxr> ^- added
23:51 < rxr> ok - ok - I tweak the mirro cgi to handle minor versions for yoiu
23:51 < mnemoc_> thanks a lot
23:51 < rxr> but after I have X comming up automagically without a keystroke of intervention
23:51 < mnemoc_> www.geeks.cl/t2-mirror/$version
23:51 < mnemoc_> ok
23:51 < mnemoc_> i can wait
23:52 < daja77> rxr: booting into kdm?
23:52 < mnemoc_> rxr: don't forget to add lspci and friends to livecd
23:52 < rxr> daja77: nope into X of course ...
23:52 < rxr> straight away
23:52 < rxr> mnemoc_:  ?
23:52 < mnemoc_> on v3 you don't have lspci
23:53 < daja77> you can still use kdm, switching login off, so you can shutdown graphically
23:53 < rxr> ah - the next one is 640 MB and lspci as well as a full gcc and X are included
23:53 < mnemoc_> :)
23:53 < rxr> 540 MB currently even ...
23:53 < rxr> but I think my current testbed got the headers removed for a size test
23:53 < rxr> so gcc will be of no real use ...
23:53 < rxr> but the beta for monday will have the headers included I think ...
23:54 < rxr> daja77: yes
23:56 < valentin> re
23:58 < CIA-10> rene * r8728 /trunk/package/develop/ccache/parse-config: 
23:58 < CIA-10> * only clean the ccache in stage 5 and later - so the partial package
23:58 < CIA-10>  builds in stage 1-4 do not remove cache content useful for the
23:58 < CIA-10>  stage 5 build. Also added a status that the cache is cleaned.
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