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00:08 < valentin> hi mnemoc 
00:09 < valentin> i think i will follow rxr and jeru
00:09 < valentin> gn8
00:21 < mnemoc> gn8 valentin 
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06:15 < CIA-10> amery * r8670 /trunk/package/security/snort/snort.conf: * fixed snort, $(mkdir_p) is undefined on my test builds
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06:44 < mnemoc> moin mipe 
06:48 < mipe> hi mnemoc
06:48 < CIA-10> amery * r8671 /branches/2.1/package/security/libprelude/ (3 files in 2 dirs): * merged 8626,8628 from trunk: updated libprelude (0.9.0-rc4 -> 0.9.0-rc5), and snort patch to 2.3.3
06:52 < CIA-10> amery * r8672 /branches/2.1/package/security/snort/ (snort.conf snort.desc): 
06:52 < CIA-10> * merged 8627 from trunk: updated snort (2.3.2 -> 2.3.3)
06:52 < CIA-10> * merged 8663,8669,8670 from trunk: hacked snort to build with libprelude properly
06:54 < CIA-10> amery * r8673 /branches/2.1/package/security/vserver/ (pkg_linux_pre.conf vserver.desc): * merged 8633,8646 from trunk: updated vserver patch (2.6.11.5-vs1.9.5 -> 2.6.11.7-2.0-pre3)
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08:15 < jeru> moin
08:16 < CIA-10> amery * r8674 /branches/2.1/package/network/smbldap-tools/ (smbldap-tools.conf smbldap-tools.desc): 
08:16 < CIA-10> * updated smbldap-tools (0.8.7 -> 0.8.8)
08:16 < CIA-10> * improved smbldap-tools to use pkgprefix and to use the right smb.conf location
08:19 < CIA-10> amery * r8675 /branches/2.1/package/gnome2/gnome-build/: * removed gnome-build package, because it's outdated, broken, unneeded and looks abandoned.
08:29 < rxr> re
08:29 < jeru> mojn rxr
08:34 < jsaw> re
08:34 < jeru> moin jsaw
08:34 < jsaw> hi jeru 
08:34 < rxr> hi jsaw jeru 
08:35 < jsaw> hi rxr
08:35 < jsaw> just woke up, and now I'm gonna bug rxr immediately :)
08:35 < jsaw> rxr: header files {pci,usb}-match.hh not committed ?
08:35 < mnemoc> moin rxr, jsaw 
08:37 < jsaw> btw, I had to defer my thesis. My advisor was not very happy that I was late, and so we agreed to postpone it three month.
08:39 < rxr> http://www.dslinux.org/
08:39 < rxr> jsaw: ack - done
08:40 < jsaw> hehe, dslinux, yes :)
08:40 < jsaw> hi mnemoc 
08:43 < mnemoc> jsaw: so, you have some spare-time? :-)
08:45 < jsaw> .oO(I shouldn't say something wrong now ...)
08:45 < jsaw> no eh yes eh no eh yes eh no
08:45 < mnemoc> :)
08:46 < jsaw> I have to finish a paper very soon, my boss offered to pay me 3/4 of full time if I get it going this month.
08:46 < mnemoc> oh
08:46 < mnemoc> i can't compete against that offer :(
08:46 < jsaw> ...
08:47 < jsaw> <- 5sec. before broke, so...indeed you can't compete
08:47 < jsaw> :|
08:48 < mnemoc> just if you need to 'relax' doing something different.... http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/regressions.html
08:48 < rxr> I remove rockplug from trun soon, is that ok for all ?
08:49 < mnemoc> will you preserve config files compatibility?
08:49 < rxr> no
08:49 < rxr> ;-)
08:49 < mnemoc> :)
08:50 < rxr> mnemoc: a config file per subsystem is too much and confusing - I think there should only be one file with the blacklist and such ...
08:50 < rxr> I heared many complaints about the need to first track which subsystems loads a module when the user just wanted to make sure nvidea, radeon, hpusbscsi and so on is not loaded automatically ...
08:50 < mnemoc> rxr: i'll vote for removing rockplug from trunk, but you will fix your broken packages at 2.1. deal?
08:51 < rxr> hehehe
08:51 < rxr> mnemoc: I continue to track 2.1 defects ...
08:51 < rxr> mnemoc: did you merge lars microcodectl fix or other 2.1 fixes into trunk =
08:51 < rxr> ? even
08:51  * rxr showering ...
08:51 < mnemoc> rxr: yes
08:52 < mnemoc> i'll go to sleep....
08:52 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr, jeru, and 3/4 scientist
08:55 < mnemoc> .oO( i wonder if i'll be 3/5 engineer some day )o
08:55 < mnemoc> cu
09:07 < jsaw> :)
09:07 < jsaw> g'night mnemoc 
09:10 < jsaw> rxr: how do I create a link with svn to an external repo?
09:13 < jsaw> rxr: another file missing: match.hh 
09:14 < jsaw> rxr: and another thing: string:find(const char* chars, size_type idx = 0, size_type chars_len)
09:14 < jsaw> rxr: compiler (gcc 3.3.3) complains about 4th argument without default assignment
09:50 < rxr> oh
09:51 < rxr> external is "svn ps svn:external 'what http::///where' dir"
09:51 < rxr> e.g. see svn pl .
09:52 < rxr> jsaw: file added
09:57 < rxr> jsaw: std::string fixed
10:01 < rxr> http://jw.dyndns.org/initng/
10:03 < jsaw> merci :)
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10:43 < jsaw> cu
10:43 < jeru> cu jsaw :)
11:00 < mtr_> hi
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11:00 < jeru> hi mtr
11:04 < rxr> hi mtr 
11:05 < mtr> moin rxr
11:07 < mtr> rxr: btw, postfix/mysql prob solved, adding -R option to gcc did the trick to get the rpath right
11:09 < mtr> hey hey, ooo-1.9m100 build finished!
11:09 < mtr> == 13:14:37 =[5]=> Building office/ooo [1.9-m100 2.2.0-alpha]
11:09 < mtr> == 05/06/05 07:58:33 =[5]=> Finished building package ooo.
11:14 < rxr> ,)
11:14 < rxr> what hardware is that ?
11:17 < mtr> quite old duron-1300, 512MB RAM --> nearly 18h ;)
11:23 < rxr> interesting - that is about the time my 800Mhz iBook needs for OOO - not bad ,-)
11:24 < rxr> (the iBook has 640MB RAM)
11:24 < rxr> well - I think the latest kernel has a performance problem on PowerPC - 2.6.11 feels slower than 2.6.10 - I think I should review this some day ...
11:27 < valentin> moin
11:29 < jeru> moin valentin
11:30 < valentin> hi jeru
11:30 < mtr> moin valentin 
11:30 < valentin> and mtr
11:30 < valentin> and rxr of course
11:33 < rxr> moin valentin 
11:38  * daja77 git that aldi hd today
11:38 < daja77> got*
11:41 < valentin> daja: and - how are the access times ?
11:41 < daja77> no idea I just came back, did some other shopping as well
11:41 < valentin> i recently bought a firewire hd so i do not need another one in the moment
11:45 < jeru> rxr: grsecurity patch fails after upgrade to 2.6.11.8 just due to the NAME tag in the Kernel top level Makefile. Should we clean the NAME also like we do with EXTRAVERSION ?
11:51 < rxr> jeru: feel free to implement this ...
11:51 < rxr> mtr: do you commit your ooo opdate to trunk=
11:51 < rxr> ? even ...
11:51 < mtr> http://www.tross.org/T2/trunk/regressions.html  <-- 30 build failures after some fixes
11:55 < mtr> rxr: yep, the plain ooo update should be clean, some changes to .conf need approval:
11:56 < mtr> problem with --with-system-db: ooo complained about missing db java bindings, so i removed --with-system-db
11:57 < rxr> mtr: hm ...
11:57 < rxr> you build modular X ... ? *g* !
11:58 < mtr> with more or less success ;)
12:01 < mtr> another change to ooo.conf: i removed --disable-binfilter to get more compatibility file format import filter
12:04 < mtr> binfilter removal needs some testing, i think
12:04 < mtr> a 3rd change: --with-lang=de
12:04 < rxr> hm - does lang=de work ?
12:04 < mtr> yes
12:04 < rxr> we had LANG=all - but that failed ...
12:04 < rxr> due to langs missing or so ...
12:05 < rxr> valentin: if you could review and proofread my homepage changes ...
12:07 < mtr> the missing languages have been some not so widely used locales, i guess :)
12:08 < mtr> what about choosing the language through config.in?
12:11 < rxr> well - I think all shoudl be build - AFAIHS for the beta versions not all are working or included yet ...
12:12 < rxr> maybe enable the working ones? en,de,fr,es ... ?
12:18 < valentin> rxr: ok
12:20 < valentin> rxr: soll ich gleich korrigieren ?
12:21 < valentin> oups, wrong lang wrong chan ...
12:23 < rxr> valentin: svn up
12:23 < rxr> reload
12:23 < rxr> quite final of the three new pages online ...
12:23 < valentin> i just did svn up
12:24 < valentin> ok
12:24 < valentin> more changes
12:24 < valentin> there are some errors, i will correct them
12:24 < rxr> feel fre to correct that version - I stop editing on it for now ,-)
12:29 < valentin> i think there should be a list of supported scanners in the feature section
12:29 < rxr> ah - yep
12:29 < rxr> list the AV220, AV610, AV610CU and AV8300 for now
12:29 < valentin> ok
12:31 < valentin> i could create links to the corresponding product pages at bhs b.
12:33 < rxr> if you like, that would be good
12:33 < valentin> they already list our driver as special product, but with no price yet
12:34 < valentin> http://www.bhsbinkert.de/bhs;509750c36e604fb172ded5fd914ebf7a;kernel.html?pid=db9640dab26a1d40c286b7a3dd60ef49
12:37 < rxr> aha ...
12:37 < rxr> it seems there are no prices when one it nos logged in or so ...
12:38 < jeru> have to go ... cu 
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12:38 < rxr> btw. quite interesting is, that the AV210 allows 16bit per channel scannign and is ASIC 6 based - where the duplex brother does not allow this and is ASIC 128 or so based ...
12:38 < rxr> quite interesting why they miy those chips and features so much ...
12:39 < rxr> valentin: maybe add a Supported devices list below the fature lsit
12:39 < rxr> I think it will grow over time and thus a 2nd seperated list would be nice
12:40 < valentin> rxr: there is no AV610cu and AV8300 at bhs binkert
12:40 < rxr> btw. I would like to officially support / test this tiny toy:
12:40 < rxr> http://www.bhsbinkert.de/bhs;509750c36e604fb172ded5fd914ebf7a;kernel.html?pid=8856d5a02966af94cc9ecaf0544f386d
12:41 < rxr> http://www.bhsbinkert.de/bhs;509750c36e604fb172ded5fd914ebf7a;kernel.html?pid=465cccfac02068b201056132a173b6a2
12:41 < rxr> http://www.bhsbinkert.de/bhs;509750c36e604fb172ded5fd914ebf7a;kernel.html?pid=13a294666665c7a0ab4188cb6185f912
12:45 < valentin> rxr: gpl or gpl 2 license for embedded stl ?
12:46 < rxr> 2
12:46 < valentin> i correct it and insert a link to the text
12:49 < valentin> how can i quote in html ?
12:50 < valentin> --> "old style" C
12:50 < rxr> just " should be fine
12:53 < valentin> ok, works
12:53 < rxr> if anyone has "Alicia Keys - Karmastition" to share ...
12:54  * rxr booting the dusty windows box in the corner to sniff the AV210 driver's I/O ...
12:56 < CIA-10> mtr * r8680 /trunk/package/gnome2/ (gnet/gnet.desc gnet1/gnet1.desc gtk-sharp/gtk-sharp.desc): 
12:56 < CIA-10> * corrected gnet/gnet1 updates from r8492
12:56 < CIA-10> * reverted gtk-shark update, devel version is gtk-sharp2
13:05 < rxr> f*cking windows - lost the AV210 driver CD within four days ...
13:05 < rxr> damn - where is it hiding ...
13:08 < rxr> ah - there - puh
13:11 < rxr> valentin: I pasted the 610CU and AV8300 links above - you have not insertedm 
13:11 < rxr>  them ?
13:20 < rxr> hm- 
13:20 < rxr> every day it is supprising what is not working under windows ...
13:23 < CIA-10> mtr * r8681 /trunk/package/mail/postfix/ (postfix.conf postfix.desc): 
13:23 < CIA-10> * updated postfix (2.2.2 -> 2.2.3)
13:23 < CIA-10> * re-prioritized to build after mysql
13:23 < CIA-10> * added sasl, ldap and mysql support
13:25 < valentin> where did you paste the links ?
13:25 < valentin> 12:41 ?
13:26 < rxr> ack
13:26 < rxr> the buttom 2 are for the devices you requested
13:26 < rxr> the top one is the AVA6 ... ,-)
13:31 < valentin> rxr: done.
13:49 < rxr> I really hate this modern AV scanners ...
13:49 < rxr> the AV210 shows yet another strange lockup behaviour ...
14:13 < valentin> uh - undefined reference to `vtable for network_config::AddressSubsection'
14:13 < valentin> what again was the reason for that error ?
14:14 < rxr> how do you compile ?
14:15 < valentin> g++ -o output obj1.o obj2.o ....
14:15 < valentin> worked before
14:17 < valentin> ah
14:17 < valentin> i had an object where no virtual functions that were implemented yet - thought that would be no problem for i do not call theese 
14:19 < rxr> aha
14:19 < rxr> again timing sensitiv crap ...
14:19 < rxr> this was due to moving starting the scan out of the actual sane_start call into the i/o thread for the propperitary OSX driver to allow the user to nicely select the scan location before the scanner starts scanning ...
14:19 < rxr> no idea why this simple move broke tne linux side ...
14:22 < rxr> but this still does not result in the KAV210 delivering images ...
14:55 < rxr> I get too much - now the damn beast is again not delivering image data ...
14:55 < valentin> .oO
15:15 < rxr> re
15:15  * rxr off - cu later
15:23 < valentin> cu rxr
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15:49 < c4y0> hi all!
15:52 < c4y0> some body there?
15:52 < c4y0> =)
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16:23 < minto> hi all
16:32 < minto> rxr_: Are you in?
16:36 < minto> :-( hi nobody
16:47 < valentin> hi minto
16:47 < valentin> rxr is away
16:47 < minto> Ahh, hi valentin
16:47 < valentin> how are you ?
16:47 < minto> Fine, and how is the father to be?
16:49 < valentin> just fine, thanks.
16:49 < minto> Has your wife/girlfriend passed the critical 7 month yet?
16:50 < valentin> depends on how you count. approx 12 weeks remaining....
16:52 < minto> My son made his appearance at 33 weeks almost two month early. Just after the critical period. 
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16:54 < minto> Yummie, diner time. bbl
16:54 < valentin> minto: we fear something like that will happen ...
16:55 < valentin> enjoy your meal, minto
16:55 < sparc-kly|U5> good morning 
16:56 < valentin> hi sparc-kly|U5 
16:56 < valentin> good evening :)
17:03 < mnemoc> hi
17:17 < sparc-kly|U5>  10:58:21 up 4 days,  1:43,  1 user,  load average: 0.06, 0.08, 0.08
17:17 < mnemoc> what is that?
17:23 < sparc-kly|U5> this Sun Ultra 5 
17:23 < mnemoc> running what?
17:25 < sparc-kly|U5> tu odiado Debian 
17:27 < mnemoc> :)
17:28 < mnemoc> do you have the builddir of that broken 0-binutils?
17:31 < sparc-kly|U5> this error is in my Desktop in my house . is possible i give ssh access and you check ?
17:33 < minto> re
17:33 < minto> valentin: What do you fear? No complications I hope.
17:35 < minto> mnemoc: When I set prefix for package X to opt/something, what should $(pkgprefix bindir X) return?
17:36 < mnemoc> opt/X/bin
17:36 < minto> Uhmm, sorry. Hi mnemoc :-)
17:36 < mnemoc> minto: but you have to set_confopt after reseting prefix
17:36 < minto> Oeps, it doesn't return opt/X/bin
17:37 < mnemoc> what prefix do you have at var/adm/packages/X ?
17:37 < minto> Prefix: opt/ant
17:38 < minto> Location bindir: /usr/bin
17:38 < minto> Location sbindir: /usr/sbin
17:38 < minto> Location libdir: /usr/lib
17:38 < minto> Location datadir: /usr/share
17:38 < minto> Location includedir: /usr/include
17:38 < minto> Location sysconfdir: /etc
17:38 < minto> Location localstatedir: /var
17:38 < minto> This is in trunk
17:38 < mnemoc> setconfopt might be missing
17:38 < mnemoc> why opt/ant ??
17:39 < mnemoc> it shall be at opt/java
17:39 < minto> Hmm, you're right
17:39 < minto> Where do you prefer apache ant?
17:41 < mnemoc> prefix=opt/java
17:41 < mnemoc> set_confopt
17:42 < mnemoc> opt/java for all java apps, not depending of an specific JRE/JDK
17:42 < mnemoc> s/java apps/java toys/ :)
17:43 < minto> okay, and /opt/java/XXX for jre's and jdk's ??
17:44 < mnemoc> i think yes
17:44 < minto> mnemoc: java is not just toys! :-)
17:44 < mnemoc> because that way they will not get all into your PATH
17:44 < mnemoc> minto: apps deserve their own opt/$foo
17:44 < mnemoc> minto: toys fit on opt/java :)
17:45 < minto> something like opt/java/lib for all java libraries/jars
17:45 < mnemoc> looks ok to me
17:47 < minto> Should I make something like 00-dirtree for java, like java-dirtree?
17:48 < minto> opt/java/bin should be added to PATH somewhere?
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18:06 < mnemoc> minto: it's added automagicly
18:09 < rxr_> re
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18:13 < minto> mnemoc: I know, but what if 2 packages write their libraries in in opt/java/lib?
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18:26 < valentin> re
18:26 < valentin> minto: we fear that our child will be too early - this would not fit our schedule ...
18:28 < minto> valentin: Kids never fit into any schedule :-)
18:28 < minto> when it is early and as healthy as ours was, you have nothing to fear.
18:31 < minto> Even though Merlyn (my son) had to stay in the hospital for observation for nearly a month. Everything was fine. It even has an advantage. Your not stuck with a child from one day to the other. We had nearly a month time to get used to be parents.
18:34 < valentin> :)
18:36 < mnemoc> :)
18:36 < mnemoc> minto: the files belong to the package which installed them... on opt/java/lib happen the same that on usr/lib
18:37 < minto> mnemoc: then flists is only about files not about directories.
18:37 < rxr> directories are also owned and in the flist ...
18:38 < minto> Uhmm, then who owns /opt/java/lib if two packages write files into it?
18:42 < rxr> the first installee ...
18:45 < mnemoc> but if you rmeove the 'first intallee' you wont loose the files of the other packages
18:46 < minto> I guessed so, but stil it doesn't feel right.
18:47 < mnemoc> ack
18:47 < mnemoc> but considering there is no java base...
18:48 < minto> What if we create a java base. java-conf.in would fit in there as well.
18:48 < mnemoc> a java-dirtree package as 'first installee' is an option
18:48 < mnemoc> but that whould make another package to install, to install nothing
18:49 < mnemoc> yes
18:49 < minto> yes, sort of a place holder.
18:50 < mnemoc> you may add your beloved profile.d/{jre,jdk} handling the 'alternative' JAVA_HOME
18:50 < minto> :-D
18:53 < minto> What have I gotten myself into. I am probably the one to do it.
19:00 < mnemoc> yep :)
19:07 < sparc-kly> http://xlinux.ath.cx/~mubex/jlime/jlime.png 
19:08 < mnemoc> sparc-kly: can i emerge screen ?
19:09 < sparc-kly> emerge ? 
19:10 < sparc-kly> remember my english sucks
19:10 < mnemoc> build&install using T2 tools
19:12 < sparc-kly> que si puedes usar los t2 tools en xlinux.ath.cx? 
19:12 < sparc-kly> o hablas de la joranda
19:12 < valentin> sparc-kly: is jlime the guy from linux-sh ?
19:12 < sparc-kly> yes
19:14 < sparc-kly> http://xlinux.ath.cx/~mubex/jlime/ <-- 
19:15 < sparc-kly> my DSL upstream is 128k Sorry for big photos 
19:16 < valentin> can you convert them ?
19:17 < mnemoc> that 'jornada' needs a T2-embeded
19:18 < valentin> for f in ./*.png ; do convert $f -resize 800x600 small-$f ; done
19:18 < valentin> oh - do not copy that line above !
19:19 < rxr> valentin: there is a new box occational online in my localnet
19:20 < rxr> corona.localnet
19:20 < valentin> corona is ?
19:20 < mnemoc> valentin,rxr: what should i do to do `make` not delete my files created by 'touch' at the end of make process?
19:20 < rxr> 360Mhz / 256MB RAM / UltraSPARC IIi
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19:21 < valentin> mnemoc: why does make delete what ?
19:21 < madtux> hey there
19:21 < mnemoc> madtux!
19:21 < valentin> hi madtux 
19:21 < rxr> hi madtux 
19:21 < madtux> mnemoc !
19:21 < madtux> hi all :)
19:21 < mnemoc> valentin: query
19:21 < mnemoc> madtux: welcome back
19:21 < madtux> danke
19:22 < madtux> is just a quick visit though
19:22 < mnemoc> madtux: were you able to try router and selinux on 2.1?
19:22 < rxr> madtux: why ? just stay here ,-)
19:23 < mnemoc> this is a nice place to lie
19:23 < madtux> rxr not now but later
19:23 < madtux> i don't like to lie
19:23 < madtux> :)
19:23 < madtux> but i guess is alsonice to lay here
19:24 < mnemoc> :)
19:24 < madtux> mnemoc checked partially
19:26 < madtux> ah well i need to test some work stuff so i will come back later
19:26 < madtux> promise :)
19:27 < mnemoc> <madtux> but i guess is alsonice to lay here
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19:28 < madtux> do not ask me to explain :)
19:28 -!- CIA-10 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has joined #t2
19:28 < madtux> i'll just come back later
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19:30 < sparc-kly> http://xlinux.ath.cx/phpsysinfo/ <-- i like it .
19:32 < mnemoc> cute
19:33 < rxr> ncp is reallz a cute tool ...
19:35 < rxr> btw. I sat in front of an suse 9.x for amd64 today
19:35 < rxr> damn is that ugly ...
19:56 < mipe> yep,i really hate suses yast stuff.
19:59 < sparc-kly> any aplication open in gnome :S 
20:00  * sparc-kly need restart this 
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20:06 < rxr> ehrm
20:06 < rxr> watch this:
20:06 < rxr> http://gcc.gnu.org/benchmarks/
20:07 < rxr> openbench made it in to gcc benchmarks list ... !!!
20:11 < rxr> damn - that SPARC sucks a bit ...
20:11 < rxr> damn slow crappy IDE ...
20:11 < rxr> should I plug my Adaptec controler with the U160 IBM disk into it ...
20:13 < valentin> rxr: nice !
20:14 < rxr> the openbench size is the top external link on www.exactcode.de this month so far
20:16 < rxr> hm - ok - I take my slowness comment back - svn up from cache is not much faster on the athlon ...
20:18 < rxr> valentin: /me continuing the sprac64 builld on the 350Mhz box with 256MB RAM - that should be a lot faster ,-)
20:18 < rxr> 360 even ...
20:20 < rxr> http://rodonika.tilix.org/t2project
20:21 < mnemoc> sparc-kly: your ssh drops me frecuently :(
20:21 < mnemoc> sparc-kly: can you cd t2-trunk and ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -deps=none screen ?
20:25 < mnemoc> rxr: do you read russian?
20:25 < rxr> nope
20:25 < rxr> I just found it in my webstats ...
20:27 < mnemoc> T2 e system for is automatic s"zdavane to Linuks of distribution, from naistina there is much option after tuning.
20:27 < mnemoc> what the heck does it mean? :\
20:28 < valentin> the fish translates linux to linuks ?
20:29 < mnemoc> the russian word
20:30 < rxr> it is called babel for a reason ... ,-)
20:30 < mnemoc> i saw someone called tilix here asking to translate the doc tu hungarian
20:30 < mnemoc> to*
20:30 < sparc-kly> drops you ? :S 
20:31 < valentin> yes, tilix joined some times
20:31 < valentin> but he should translate the stuff on the official www2 pages some day
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20:31 < mnemoc> sparc-kly: yes :(
20:31 < mnemoc> jeru!!
20:32 < rxr> how many screens are there per session?
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20:33 < sparc-kly> http://xlinux.ath.cx/~mubex/t2/screen.log 
20:33 < sparc-kly> !> Running ldconfig ...
20:33 < sparc-kly> !> ./scripts/functions: line 880: ldconfig: command not found
20:36 < rxr> ah - here screen seems to die on sparc64:
20:36 < rxr> 5327  <... rt_sigsuspend resumed> )     = -1 EFAULT (Bad address)
20:36 < sparc-kly> this is AMD XP box 
20:38 < mnemoc> command not found??
20:41 < sparc-kly> ldconfig is ? 
20:41 < sparc-kly> i search this in apt and not found
20:43 < mnemoc> ldconfig populates you /etc/ld.so.cache
20:44 < mnemoc> .oO( what kind of useless machines is debian making these days? )o
20:49 < rxr> no idea - maybe this is why they never release ...
20:52 < sparc-kly> mnemoc i install screen .apt-get install screen LOL 
20:53 < mnemoc> thanks :)
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21:10 < mnemoc> bash: less: command not found <--- sparc-kly: how can you live on that box??
21:10 < mnemoc> hi Veki 
21:10 < Veki> hi
21:10 < Veki> I found tonight Chi9lean restaurant here.
21:10 < mnemoc> yes??
21:10 < mnemoc> cool
21:10 < Veki> oh yes:-)
21:11 < Veki> so, I hope that you will have soe time to eat your meal here. though our meal is OK too.  Do you eat meet?
21:11 < mnemoc> sure
21:12 < sparc-kly> ya instale el less :D 
21:13  * sparc-kly end of install less :D 
21:17 < mnemoc> hehe
21:30 < rxr> what is thy www2 status ??
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21:47 < valentin> rxr: jeru wanted to present a solution on the weekend...
21:47 < valentin> at the
22:01 < rxr> screens configure is a mess  - my oh my ...
22:02 < rxr> valentin: your poor childs have to listen to configure scripts on helloween 
22:02 < mnemoc> rxr: www2 is frozen due to jeru's relocation
22:06 < valentin> rxr: ??
22:07 < valentin> btw: why child_S_ ?
22:09 < rxr> there usually follow more ... *g*
22:09 < rxr> but the thruth is I wrote child because I forgot how to spell "daughter"
22:09 < rxr> ,-)
22:09 < rxr> configure sucks my brain ...
22:10 < rxr> has anyone some non T2 / Rock system ?
22:10 < rxr> is screen linked against ncurses there ?
22:11 < valentin> rxr: i could log into a suse box
22:11 < valentin> mom
22:11 < rxr> ldd /usr/bin/screen
22:11 < rxr> ldd /usr/bin/screen | grep cur
22:12 < valentin> yes
22:12 < valentin>         libncurses.so.5 => /lib/libncurses.so.5 (0x4002c000)
22:13 < rxr> on your iBook it is not, is it ?
22:14 < rxr> on my RS6k and SPARC it is not ...
22:15 < rxr> on x86 neither
22:15 < rxr> damn crap ..
22:15 < valentin> on solaris, it is linked against ncurses, too
22:15 < rxr> what was configure.in -> configure? autoconf ?
22:15 < valentin> on my ibook it is not
22:16  * rxr hacked the f*cking configure script of this screen crap ...
22:17 < rxr> it even has an unnecessary libelf dependency ...
22:17 < rxr> removed that on-the-fly ...
22:17 < rxr> unbelievable what people cut'n paste into their configure.in trashcan ...
22:26 < valentin> my iBook gets way too hot again ...
22:26 < valentin> is there a method to turn on the cooler manually ?
22:26 < rxr> for our ones I think no
22:26 < rxr> for the newer ones Linux has more control over the fan
22:27 < rxr> for our I think the fan is hard-glued to the PMU ...
22:29 < valentin> it sucks when you balance the notebook on your lap and your legs get toasted :(
22:33 < valentin> so, back on my desk
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22:37 < rxr> valentin: run my dyncpud and thus run it on 400Mhz or what your support as minumum ...
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22:41 < rxr> damn - even that UltraSPARC is damn slow ...
22:42 < rxr> we need to get a sub Ghz multi CPU SPARC ...
22:42 < rxr> everything else is no fun at all ...
22:42 < mnemoc> ibooks burn legs also?
22:42 < rxr> mine usually not
22:44 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/59353
22:44 < mnemoc> .oO( why is my irssi consuming 89m?? )o
22:45 < _Ragnar__> log buffers
22:45 < rxr>  1732 rene      15   0  8676 4728 6588 S  0.0  0.6   0:17.56 irssi             
22:45 < _Ragnar__> 0 10013  4662  4646   9   0 21876 5068 poll   S    pts/2     19:02 irssi
22:45 < _Ragnar__> 0   506  4680  4626   9   0 12256 4864 poll   S    pts/1     32:00 irssi
22:48 < rxr> hm - strace does not work fully stable on sparc64 ....
22:48 < mnemoc> what is your /set rawlog_lines  ?
22:50 < rxr> the default:
22:50 < rxr>  200
22:50 < _Ragnar__> 200
22:50 < _Ragnar__> on the 20mb client it's 10000
22:52 < mnemoc> i also have 200
22:53 < _Ragnar__> what version are you running?
22:54 < mnemoc> v0.8.10-rc5
22:55 < _Ragnar__> hmm I got rc4
22:56 < rxr> ouhm - damn
22:57 < rxr> mnemoc: this choice we once made at ROCK times beats us agsin ...
22:57 < rxr> mnemoc: due to SMP or chris we moved the static libs from /lib
22:57 < rxr> *
22:57 < rxr> to -> /usr/lib*
22:57 < _Ragnar__> that's good ... so?
22:58 < rxr> not only that hit already exposed quite a number of bugs it also bites us at screen - the static version from /usr/lib64 is taken by GCC ...
22:58 < mnemoc> i think it is a good decition
22:58 < mnemoc> oh
22:58 < rxr> I do not want to know how many other packages accidently link to ncurses statically due to that
22:58 < rxr> the same for other libs that have the shared version in /lib* and the static in /usr/lib*
22:58 < mnemoc> grep symbols
22:59 < _Ragnar__> hmmm ... honestly, I'd rather have packages linking statically to ncurse before breaking them with every ncurses update;D
22:59 < rxr> the shared version in /lib* is only takes if some package accidently has a -L/libwhatever before the -n{n,}curses ...
22:59 < _Ragnar__> hmmm
22:59 < _Ragnar__> in my experience, gcc never liked to take the static version unless I specified that explicitly
23:00 < rxr> first hit is taken - iterate over searchpath try shared before static ...
23:01 < mnemoc> isn't /lib64 before /usr/lib64 ?
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23:01 < mnemoc> hi mtr
23:01 < rxr> gcc even has internal searchpathes - and those include "$gcclib-prefix/../../lib* or so ...
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23:06 < mnemoc> bye mtr
23:11 < _Ragnar__> yeah /lib should be before /usr/lib anyway
23:12 < rxr> for the google hits ...
23:12 < rxr> Suddenly the Dungeon collapses!! - You die...
23:12 < _Ragnar__> lol*
23:12 < rxr> (screen)
23:20 < rxr> the screen option parsing is also orible
23:20 < rxr> horrible even
23:21 < rxr> the man page seem to document non-existing stuff ...
23:21 < rxr> e.g. -D -n / -d -n, ...
23:28 < _Ragnar__> :)
23:31 < mnemoc> how consistent is _our_ documentation?
23:32 < rxr> perfect, of course
23:32 < _Ragnar__> *lol*
23:33 < mnemoc> :)
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