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--- Day changed Wed Apr 27 2005
00:00 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/regressions.html
00:01 < mnemoc> not to bad yet
00:02 < rxr> seahorse is depanding
00:02 < rxr> configure: error: GPGME 1.0.0 or later needed
00:02 < mnemoc> yep
00:03 < rxr> priority
00:03 < rxr> try 158.000
00:03 < mnemoc> X -----5---- 150.500 gnome2 seahorse 0.7.6 / extra/security extra/desktop/gnome 0
00:03 < mnemoc> X -----5---- 157.000 security gpgme 1.0.2 / extra/crypto 0
00:03 < rxr> on seahorse
00:03 < mnemoc> nothing depends on seahorse?
00:03 < rxr> doubt so
00:03 < rxr> valentin: we need .cache based graph generation
00:04 < valentin> tell me exactly how to handle loops and i'll implement that
00:04 < rxr> mnemoc will soon have more valid .cache files with my noise reduction applied - if you would have some spare nights we would like some static prority to graph construction in 2.2 ,-)
00:04 < valentin> some month ago i had a discussion with mnemoc and jsaw 
00:04 < valentin> we decided to resolve loops this way:
00:04 < mnemoc> about?
00:05 < rxr> let's wait what the updated .cache files will bring - and then let's take a new look at those graphs ...
00:05 < valentin> if one package in the loop is build in a stage with lower priority, that package is assumed to be there already
00:05 < rxr> sound good
00:05 < rxr> but in addition I would like to get rid of most of this stage mismatch ...
00:06 < valentin> so you can schedule that package for rebuild at latest
00:06 < mnemoc> seahorse resheduled
00:06 < rxr> let's plot the resulting graph and decide then
00:06 < valentin> rxr: sounds good too - mnemoc will kick you if you do this for 2.2 :)
00:06 < mnemoc> :)
00:07 < rxr> well - some some "state-of-the-art" can be applied to 2.2 ,-)
00:07 < mnemoc> 2.2 @ 2007?
00:08 < rxr> lol no
00:08 < rxr> mnemoc: just good graph generation is mostly implementing a real Create-PkgQueue 
00:09 < rxr> revisiting the stages into a saner model is less than a week of work
00:09 < valentin> mnemoc: then 2.2 will be named after my secound child :)
00:09 < rxr> + porting Emerge-Pkg to the graph builder ...
00:09 < mnemoc> everything depends on how you inject this state-of-the-art technique
00:09 < mnemoc> valentin: or rene's :)
00:10 < valentin> rxr: i would propose saving dependencies for all stages the package is build in.
00:10 < valentin> where all is just one of the two remaining :)
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00:11 < rxr> valentin: we'll see
00:11 < mnemoc> i have to go to pick my girls up... bbl
00:11 < valentin> cu mnemoc 
00:12 < rxr> cu mnemoc 
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00:17 < Mech> Did you guys hear about the JasperReports accquistion ?
00:20 < valentin> jasper reports ? wasn't that an oss product ?
00:20 < rxr> n8 all
00:20 < rxr> cu
00:20 < valentin> cu rxr
00:23 < Mech> valentin: yeah - it appears it was a 1 man job..
00:23 < Mech> valentin: so a company called panosophic accquired the rights to it.
00:23 < Mech> anyway, it appears it got Venture Capital firms in the US interested in finding other 'hidden gems' in Open Source
00:24 < Mech> 3 of them contacted my boss to see if we could present a list of OSS projects with commercial potential and small number of commiters
00:24 < Mech> if they sign off on the contract, we'll be evaluating and recommending projects to them.
00:26 < Mech> if you know of any projects that fit the criteria, and might be interested in getting some backing - let me know and I'll add them to the list :-)
00:26 < Mech> (hehe - in case it isn't obvious by now, I'm basically a 'research monkey' :-P  - I play with everything, master nothing :-P )
00:27 < valentin> what would be the result for the project that is on the list ?
00:29 < Mech> maybe nothing ...  but it would at least get _looked at_ by some Venture Capital groups with money to spend
00:30 < Mech> can't guarantee that they'll actually do anything for a particular project - but it is a good opportunity to get some visability
00:30 < Mech> anyway, it will probably take 2 weeks to get the contracts signed and stuff - so no hurry
00:46 < valentin> i wish you all a good night - cu.
00:47 < Mech> g'nite :-)
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01:58 < mnemoc> re
01:58 < sparc-kly> hi
01:58 < mnemoc> hi sparc-kly 
01:59  * sparc-kly love KDE 3.4
01:59 < mnemoc> :)
01:59  * mnemoc loves xfce
02:01 < sparc-kly> fluxbox :P
02:03 < mnemoc> nah
02:03 < mnemoc> xfce :)
02:05 < _jeru> cu all ... good night
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02:06 < mnemoc> rxr: flist is failing to detect the installation of phppgadmin
02:13 < mnemoc> rxr: does your cleanup ignores direct untar-ing?
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05:56 < Mech> nite guys :-)
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06:06 < CIA-9> amery * r8539 /trunk/package/database/dbf/ (. dbf.conf dbf.desc): * added dbf (0.8.3.1)
07:10 < CIA-9> amery * r8540 /trunk/package/gnome2/ (libbonobomm/gtkmm24.patch libbonobouimm/gtkmm24.patch): * fixed libbonobomm and libbonobouimm to look for gtkmm24 (they still broken)
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09:08 < rxr> moin
09:09 < rxr> mnemoc: I do not remeber anything that could nfluence untar flist tracking
09:09 < rxr> maybe it was never detected?
09:11 < valentin> short moin
09:12 < rxr> hi short moin valentin 
09:13 < rxr> mnemoc: now seahorse fails due to
09:13 < rxr> configure: error: Library requirements (gedit-2.6 >= 2.6.0) not met;
09:13 < rxr> if you could move it past gedit ,-)4~
09:29 < rxr> btw. my tiny sparc is now at 1-tar
09:30 < rxr> it would already be a bit further if 1-automake would not have failed due to a too old autoconf on the system ... :-(
09:30 < rxr> but so far it looks gooo
09:30 < rxr> d
09:34 < rxr> Freeciv 2.0.1 (Stable)
09:35 < rxr> Microsoft to Introduce PDF competitor 'Metro'
09:37 < rxr> IT: Longhorn Beta is Disappointing
09:38 < rxr> "Microsoft needed something big to kill the hype of competitors, but screenshots show minor visual updates from the last beta."
09:38 < rxr> http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/longhorn_5048_gallery_01.asp
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09:46 < rxr> moin minto 
09:53 < CIA-9> rene * r8541 /trunk/package/ (16 files in 16 dirs): 
09:53 < CIA-9> * replaced CC=kcc overwrites with CC=$KCC to include the full cross
09:53 < CIA-9>  compile target tripled
09:58 < rxr> this damn thunderbird 
10:04 < valentin> rxr: that screenshots look _very_ impressive *G*
10:04 < rxr> yes, exactly
10:09 < rxr> I need this Windows Longhorn - never saw such an impressive system
10:16 < rxr> penvpn to 2.0
10:17  * rxr breakfast and co ...
10:17 < rxr> cu soon
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10:28 < rxr> oh my god
10:29 < rxr> on my sparc I get this durring openbench runs
10:29 < rxr> running (cache warmup): 263.03
10:29 < rxr> running: 280.05
10:29 < rxr> running: 223.50
10:29 < rxr> how the h*ll should I use this values ?!?!
10:30 < rxr> Avg: 253.385 *grr*
10:30  * rxr backery
10:44 < rxr> baker even
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11:11 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/data//2005/04/2010341520679.patch
11:11 < rxr> ^- omg - they call this "progress" ?
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12:06 < CIA-9> rene * r8542 /trunk/package/games/freeciv/freeciv.desc: * updated freeciv (2.0.0 -> 2.0.1)
12:38 < CIA-9> rene * r8543 /trunk/package/graphic/imagemagick/imagemagick.desc: * updated imagemagick (6.2.0-8 -> 6.2.2-0)
13:00 < CIA-9> rene * r8544 /trunk/package/shells/tcsh/tcsh.desc: * updated tcsh (6.13.00 -> 6.14.00)
13:16 < CIA-9> rene * r8545 /trunk/package/sparc/silo/silo.conf: * fixed silo outside basedir documentation placement for cross builds
13:18 < CIA-9> rene * r8546 /trunk/scripts/Cleanup: * fixed two typos in scripts/Cleanup
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14:47 < mnemoc> rxr: the problem with seahorse is that it expects 2.8 or 2.6 and we have 2.10 .... take a look into the bug tracker :)
14:56 < mnemoc> rxr: how will we solve this kind of stuff... adding 2.10 on auto* stuff... or just s/2.8/2.10/ on configure ?
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15:00 < jeru> moin
15:00 < mnemoc> hi jeru 
15:00 < jeru> hei mnemoc :)
15:04 < mnemoc> how would you descripbe this bug: http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/log/5-superkaramba.err   on tracker?
15:05 < jeru> oh! mom
15:12 < mnemoc> top - 09:19:33 up 5 days, 22:09,  3 users,  load average: 0.07, 0.43, 1.68
15:12 < mnemoc> Tasks: 101 total,   1 running, 100 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
15:12 < mnemoc> Cpu0  : 33.4% us, 11.5% sy,  0.0% ni, 49.2% id,  5.8% wa,  0.1% hi,  0.0% si
15:12 < mnemoc> Mem:    774296k total,   656720k used,   117576k free,   217156k buffers
15:12 < mnemoc> Swap:  1465120k total,     1164k used,  1463956k free,   346380k cached
15:12 < mnemoc>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
15:12 < mnemoc>  2867 root      16   0  1328  772  580 R  0.7  0.1   0:00.03 top
15:12 < mnemoc> how can i have 33.4% us if the process with more %CPU has 0.7??
15:13 < mnemoc> how can i have aobut 80% of mem used if the process with more %MEM has 0.2??
15:15 < jeru> well, good question ...
15:18 < jeru> mnemoc: but regarding superkaramba, just upload the err log
15:19 < jsaw> hi
15:19 < jeru> hi jsaw 
15:19 < mnemoc> hi jsaw 
15:19 < jsaw> hi jeru, mnemoc 
15:19 < mnemoc> jeru: are you reading for uploads?
15:19 < mnemoc> ready*
15:19 < rxr> hi
15:20 < jsaw> hi rxr 
15:20 < mnemoc> hi rxr 
15:20 < jeru> hi rxr
15:20 < jeru> mnemoc: you can upload files to the tracker ... don't worry
15:23 < mnemoc> rxr: i'll add flex thing to the tracker also
15:24 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - and I implement it 
15:25 < mnemoc> good :)
15:26 < jsaw> mnemoc: top has delays between every field. When cpu user usage is read while top is calculating sth. it is high. Until it gets to reading the /proc/$pid's it may be low again
15:27 < mnemoc> rxr: issue #22 assigned to rene
15:28 < mnemoc> jsaw: not recalculated yet
15:28 < jsaw> mnemoc: don't get you
15:29 < mnemoc> jsaw: i understand the delay thing, but it after 15 minutes the values still high
15:30 < jsaw> funny
15:30 < jsaw> breach ?
15:31 < jsaw> what's the tracker thing?
15:31 < jsaw> (where's it?)
15:32 < mnemoc> www2.t2-project.org
15:32 < mnemoc> https
15:33 < jsaw> Oh, it was not obvious to look for it under "Support". I'd expected sth. like a "Development" button.
15:34 < mnemoc> it's under T2 Trees also
15:35 < CIA-9> rene * r8547 /trunk/package/base/flex/flex.desc: 
15:35 < CIA-9> * build flex in stage0, to make the bootsrap independant from
15:35 < CIA-9>  potentionally defect system flex
15:39 < CIA-9> amery * r8548 /branches/2.1/package/sparc/silo/silo.conf: * merged 8545 from trunk - fixed silo outside basedir documentation placement for cross builds
15:40 < CIA-9> rene * r8549 /trunk/package/base/autoconf/autoconf.desc: 
15:40 < CIA-9> * likewise enabled autoconf in stage0 since on my sparc autoconf
15:40 < CIA-9>  was outdated - although this change is untested
15:48 < CIA-9> amery * r8550 /trunk/package/security/chkrootkit/ (chkrootkit.conf make_install.patch): * fixed chkrootkit to also install chkrootkit script
15:54 < rxr> mnemoc: can you try if evolution can be fixed by updating pilot-link v0.12.0-pre2
15:54 < rxr>  ?
15:55 < mnemoc> rxr: downloading
15:56 < rxr> ok - or not
15:56 < rxr> STRONG WARNING: Do not install this release into a public location if you use a graphical application to sync your Palm device, such as J-Pilot or Evolution. While this release is stable, those applications have not been fully ported to the new code found in pilot-link 0.12.0, and they will cause problems. 
15:56 < mnemoc> what can i use to simulate dependant voltage sources?
15:56 < rxr> mnemoc: what ?
15:57 < mnemoc> on a circuit there are I (ampere) sources, a voltage source... how are they called in english?
15:58 < mnemoc> there is a kind of sources, called dependent in spanish, which value depend on a I or V from somewhere else
15:59 < rxr> no idea what software to use to simulate them ...
15:59 < mnemoc> win-people say microcap
15:59 < mnemoc> i'll see if it runs on wine
16:01 < mnemoc> Mem:    774296k total,   711168k used,    63128k free,   375208k buffers <--- who the hell is consuming my memory!!!
16:02 < rxr> maybe kernel but
16:02 < rxr> bug
16:04 < mnemoc> uhm
16:04 < mnemoc> can i force him do you garbage collection?
16:05 < mnemoc> s/do/to do/
16:05 < mnemoc> s/do you/to do/*
16:05 < jsaw> mnemoc: eagle, pspice
16:05 < mnemoc> jsaw: thanks :)
16:06 < jsaw> http://www.cadsoftusa.com/ <- eagle
16:07 < rxr> maybe pilot-link needs --with-libiconv
16:07 < rxr> mnemoc: are all the build logs of your build online ?
16:07 < mnemoc> rxr: only errors
16:07 < rxr> can you look into the pilot link one to see if it output something about iconv?
16:08 < jsaw> t2 package: spice
16:08 < rxr> if not you might like to add
16:08 < rxr> --with-libiconv
16:08 < rxr> to the pilot-link options in the already quite filled pilot-link.conf ,-)
16:08 < mnemoc> it is rebuilding right now
16:08 < mnemoc> i'll have to wait for the next pass for iconv thing
16:08 < rxr> updated or --with-libiconv ?
16:09 < mnemoc> updated
16:09 < rxr> mnemoc: I pasted the warning 
16:09 < rxr> mnemoc: better not update it yet
16:10 < rxr> mnemoc: I think it 
16:10 < mnemoc> ok
16:10 < rxr> mnemoc: from the google hits I think pilot-link needs some tweak
16:10 < mnemoc> it failed anyway :)
16:11 < mnemoc> var_append confopt ' ' "--with-libiconv"   .... and a new build has started
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16:11 < mnemoc> jsaw: spice emerged :) thanks a lot
16:12 < mipe> hi all
16:12 < jsaw> mnemoc: there are gui's for it, but don't ask me where...
16:13 < mnemoc> jsaw: oh... ok 
16:13 < jeru> hi mipe
16:14 < mnemoc> http://archives.seul.org/geda/dev/Aug-2004/msg00007.html
16:14 < mnemoc> ^--- jsaw 
16:14 < jsaw> ah, right seul
16:14 < mnemoc> http://www.geda.seul.org/tools/gspiceui/
16:15 < mnemoc> uhm... it's late... i have to go
16:16 < mnemoc> rxr: packages are building... you will see the result on 15 minutes after the next resync
16:17 < rxr> ok
16:17 < jeru> mnemoc: cu later :)
16:18 < mnemoc> uhm
16:18 < mnemoc> same error
16:18 < mnemoc> i'll copy pilot-link log somewhere before leaving
16:20 < mnemoc> rxr: http://t2.geeks.cl/5-pilot-link.log
16:20 < mnemoc> cu!
16:22 < rxr> cu
16:22 < jsaw> wow, nice, it flies...
16:23 < jsaw> (A380)
16:23 < jsaw> cu mnemoc 
16:23 < jsaw> hi mipe 
16:23 < mipe> hi jsaw
16:24 < mipe> damm fc4 throws segfault while running config
16:25 < mipe> whats the default dump file size for ulimit?
16:25 < mipe> fc4 sets it to 0,but whats the real default or good size for it?
16:28 < rxr> I think ours is also 0 ...
16:28 < rxr> the reasonable default depends whether it is a single or multi user environment or server ...
16:29 < rxr> e.g. on desktop systems I consider changing the default location from current working directory, to /tmp/$processname... so they do not populate the disk but are automatically cleaned on bootup ...
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16:58 < jeru> ok have to go now ... cu later folks
16:58 < rxr_> cu jeru 
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17:11 < rxr> wow
17:12 < rxr> running the vectorizer on some bigger arrays then last time:
17:12 < rxr> user	0m51.370s
17:12 < rxr> user	0m18.060s
17:12 < rxr> -mcpu=ultrasparc -mviz 
17:12 < rxr> the 2nd with vectorization applied
17:12 < rxr> with O3 instead of O2
17:12 < rxr> user	0m15.920s
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17:16 < rxr> -funroll-loops
17:16 < rxr> user	0m7.410s
17:16 < rxr> in addition the O2 and vectorizazion
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18:35 < jeru> re
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18:52 < minto> Hi *
18:52 < rxr> hi minto 
19:15 < jeru> hi minto 
19:15 < rxr> mnemoc: you may use /proc/slabinfo to find out if your kernel is leaking (or so) memory
19:15 < minto> Hi jeru
19:20 < rxr> hi jeru 
19:21 < jeru> hi rxr
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19:54 < rxr> http://www.cortstratton.org/articles/HugiCode.html
19:55 < rxr> from ~90 cycles/vector of C code down to 17 cycles/vector with SSE assembly ...
20:14 < rxr> hey cool - in my highly optmized ultrasparc bash 14 loops got vectorized ...
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20:29 < rxr> damn - no loops in sed and only one in awk got vectorized ... *g*
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22:25 < rxr> valentin: if you want to take a tiny look at the article
22:26 < rxr> on my idefix in my usual publication directory a folder named gcc-4.0 holds the file ...
22:26 < rxr> however if you are still awake a bit longer, just wait - the upcommong half hour will be some more review of the text
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22:30 < jsaw> re
22:33 < rxr> hi jsaw 
22:34 < rxr> is your thesis mostly finsihed?, now that you show up more often over here ,-)?
22:39 < valentin> ok
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23:05 < jeru> good night * cu tomorrow
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23:36 < jsaw> rxr: not really. My mind is just saturated... a bit of distraction could resolve the knots
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