--- Log opened Mon Apr 25 00:00:43 2005
00:01 < rxr> == 04/25/05 00:01:16 =[1]=> Finished building package linux26.
00:02 < mnemoc> :)
00:03 < rxr> Committed revision 8511.
00:03 < mnemoc> rxr: btw, http://t2.geeks.cl/mirror/2.2.0-alpha/ http://www.geeks.cl/t2-mirror/2.2.0-alpha/
00:03 < rxr> hm
00:04 < rxr> Committed revision 8512.
00:04 < jeru> mnemoc: what do you think ?
00:04 < mnemoc> jeru: about what?
00:05 < jeru> regarding by hand migration
00:05 < mnemoc> jeru: that you are doing it
00:05 < jeru> mnemoc: what was your way ?
00:06 < jeru> regarding folder migration
00:06 < mnemoc> jeru: i thought you had an script
00:06 < jeru> nope ... 
00:07 < jeru> we've to write one
00:07 < jeru> but it doesn't matter anyway
00:07 < jeru> atm at least ;)
00:07 < jeru> valentin:  /docs is open again
00:08 < mnemoc> jeru: remove the evil contenttypes, so you don't have to migrate anymore :)
00:09 < jeru> ack :D
00:09 < rxr> mnemoc: you merge the todays fixes into 2.1 =
00:09 < rxr> ? even
00:09 < mnemoc> rxr: yes, i'm testing them
00:09 < mnemoc> after 1-linux26 i'll commit the 3 merges
00:10 < mnemoc> rxr: only issue #4 is pending :)
00:13 < mnemoc> jeru: will you remove "* (old)" when finished?
00:13 < jeru> yep
00:15 < rxr> mnemoc: #4 is harder to solve
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00:19 < mnemoc> rxr: do we need uml_tools on bootdisk?
00:21 < rxr> no
00:23 < jeru> mnemoc: should be done now
00:23 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. we have a strange new ghostscript error
00:23 < rxr> I have the same in my desktop buidl ...
00:23 < rxr> but /me bed now
00:23 < rxr> n8 all
00:23 < valentin> gn8 rxr
00:23 < jeru> night rxr
00:24 < valentin> jeru: how can i insert a bitmap ?
00:24 < mnemoc> rxr: it may be due to pdf_sec
00:24 < mnemoc> rxr: we have always download it, but never injected before
00:24 < jeru> valentin: content type ?
00:24 < mnemoc> i think he mean 'inline'
00:25 < rxr> mnemoc: who commited this untested ?
00:26 < rxr> r8429 | amery | 2005-04-22 06:17:08 +0200 (Fri, 22 Apr 2005) | 4 lines
00:26 < rxr> but I somehow doubt it is that
00:26 < rxr> well I'll see later
00:26 < rxr> cu all
00:27 < jeru> cu
00:27 < valentin> cu
00:27 < valentin> jeru: i want this screenshot in there:
00:27 < valentin> http://www.t2-project.org/config.png
00:28 < jeru> valentin: ok
00:28 < jeru> .. image:: images/config.png
00:29 < valentin> good - how can i upload the image ?
00:29 < mnemoc> rxr: i did
00:30 < jeru> valentin: it's not very good to fill the zope db with binary stuff like images
00:30 < jeru> I've to create an external storage type for it
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00:30 < jeru> then it will be stored on the filesystem
00:32 < valentin> ok, so i refer to the current location
00:32 < valentin> but it does not work
00:32 < valentin> mom
00:32 < jeru> do we wanna add a section documentation/screenshots as external storage ?
00:32 < valentin> ok
00:32 < jeru> valentin: works ?
00:32 < valentin> yep
00:33 < valentin> hm, i would prefer a generic /images storage
00:33 < jeru> valentin: ok
00:34 < valentin> damn, the bitmap is some pixels too large
00:35 < valentin> https://www2.t2-project.org/docs/quickstart
00:36 < jeru> valentin: but looks nice :)
00:37 < valentin> thx
00:38 < mnemoc> :D
00:41 < jeru> mnemoc: now the translation :D
00:42 < mnemoc> jeru: will you open registration?
00:42 < mnemoc> jeru: i want keinek to translate ;)
00:42 < jeru> :)
00:44 < mnemoc> jeru: where are the flags?
00:46 < valentin> enough for today - gn8
00:46 < jeru> g8 valentin
00:46 < jeru> mnemoc: what flags ?
00:47 < jeru> registration ?
00:48 < mnemoc> jeru: country flags
00:49 < jeru> do you want to replace the flags ?
00:50 < mnemoc> i don't see the flags
00:51 < mnemoc> oh, there they are
00:51 < jeru> on every page ?
00:52 < mnemoc> /tree doesn't have flag
00:52 < mnemoc> i'll add content and translate to see
00:53 < jeru> mnemoc: same problem with folder 
00:53 < mnemoc> uhm
00:53 < jeru> that was what I meaned
00:54 < jeru> folde-lang style sucks
00:54 < mnemoc> yes
00:54 < mnemoc> navigation porudct should detect it and skip
00:55 < jeru> we could use extendednavigation product
00:55 < mnemoc> try it
00:55 < jeru> there we can enable/disable it
00:59 < jeru> removed i18nfolder too
01:02 < mnemoc> we want $foo-$lang instead of $foo is we choosed $lang, and $foo-$lang only if we choosed $lang. or $foo if $foo-$lang for the choosen $lang doesn't exist
01:02 < mnemoc> is this to exotic?
01:04 < jeru> mnemoc: will add a second nav slot temporary
01:05 < mnemoc> follow your insticts
01:05 < jeru> mnemoc: I do ... but I want to inform you ;)
01:05 < mnemoc> :)
01:08 < mnemoc> jeru: it would be great if we can write a product for package matrix :)
01:10 < jeru> PloneExtendedNavigation is compatible with LinguaPlone;
01:10 < jeru> ^from the readme at least
01:12 < mnemoc> :D
01:12 < mnemoc> what are we waiting for? :)
01:12 < jeru> :)
01:15 < jeru> I can't see the damn thing
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01:22 < keinek> hi
01:22 < jeru> hi keinek
01:22 < mnemoc> hi keinek 
01:30 < keinek> mnemoc the problem with the boot and rescue is solve?
01:33 < mnemoc> minute
01:34 < keinek> ok
01:35 < mnemoc> jeru: do you see any problem if i remove uml_utilities from bootdisk?
01:39 < jeru> mnemoc: I think no
01:39 < mnemoc> don't remove or no problem?
01:40 < jeru> no problem ;)
01:43 < jeru> this damn extended nav slot doesn't display the selected folders. just an unselected one :|
01:44 < CIA-9> amery * r8515 /branches/2.1/target/bootdisk/ (build_stage2.sh config.in): * fixed #4, uml_utilities (and skas) should not be part of bootdisk
01:47 < mnemoc> keinek: ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg boot -remove uml_utilities linux26 linux24 linux-header
01:48 < mnemoc> keinek: svn up
01:48 < mnemoc> keinek: ./scripts/Config -cfg boot -oldconfig
01:48 < mnemoc> keinek: and Build-Target
02:00 < CIA-9> amery * r8516 /trunk/target/bootdisk/ (build_stage2.sh config.in): * merged 8515 - uml_utilities (and skas) should not be part of bootdisk
02:09 < mnemoc> i'm completly puzzled with rst
02:09 < jeru> what's up? :)
02:09 < jeru> i'm with extended nav
02:10 < mnemoc> do your things :)
02:11 < jeru> nope ... i mean ext nav eats my 2am brain
02:11 < jeru> :)
02:12 < mnemoc> hehe
02:47 < mnemoc> jeru: can you configure it to box only one menu entry?
02:51 < jeru> mnemoc: what do you mean .. you know 3am ;)
02:51 < mnemoc> go to: https://www2.t2-project.org/tree/2.1
02:51 < jeru> and now ?
02:52 < jeru> ahhh!
02:52 < jeru> the boxes are bad anyway
02:53 < mnemoc> :)
02:54 < mnemoc> one box is ok, two boxes is ugly
02:54 < jeru> ack
03:05 < keinek> thanks mnemoc
03:05 < keinek> but i have another problems.
03:05 < mnemoc> tell me
03:05 < keinek> gems is still in use?
03:05 < mnemoc> yep
03:05 < mnemoc> 2.1 will always support .gem files
03:06 < keinek> ok my target finish but so many packets have error
03:06 < keinek> too much
03:06 < mnemoc> can you publish your RegressionsReport?
03:13 < jeru> mnemoc: disappears your nav if you click on a flag ?
03:14 < mnemoc> miute
03:14 < mnemoc> yes
03:14 < mnemoc> i guess it _needs_ translations
03:14 < mnemoc> i.e. no fallback
03:14 < jeru> yep
03:16 < mnemoc> remove nl
03:16 < mnemoc> and let's create translations for directories
03:16 < jeru> what dirs ?
03:16 < mnemoc> there is no option for fallback on PloneExtendedNavigation?
03:16 < mnemoc> folders
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03:24 < jeru> finally good night ... cu later :)
03:29 < mnemoc> gn8 jeru 
03:29 < jeru> news ?
03:29 < mnemoc> ?
03:29 < jeru> ext nav
03:30 < jeru> ;)
03:30 < mnemoc> after i created about-es the menu appeared
03:30 < jeru> oh
03:30 < mnemoc> did you do anything?
03:30 < jeru> hmmm ... but I cant see any es
03:31 < mnemoc> neither do i
03:31 < mnemoc> and i loose the flags
03:31 < mnemoc> instead of "About T2" it should say "Sobre T2"
03:33 < mnemoc> this is damn weird
03:33 < jeru> should I restart zope to see
03:47 < mnemoc> jeru: <@limi|werk> mnemoc: you shouldn't use PloneExtendedNavigation, btw
04:30 < mnemoc> jeru: <@limi|werk> mnemoc: get the LinguaPlonePack, PlonePortlets is there too
04:31 < jeru> mnemoc: I have it already and installing ;)
04:31 < mnemoc> :)
04:31 < jeru> let's see
04:31 < jeru> 1. linugaplone update
04:50 < jeru> mnemoc: ping
04:53 < mnemoc> pong
04:53 < jeru> pong
04:54 < mnemoc> echo?
04:55 < jeru> i think if we go further we'll have a Plone 2.1 soon :)
04:56 < jeru> the most components are replaced
04:56 < jeru> but the trackers are working :D
04:58 < jeru> Información sobre T2, la gente involucrada y otras cosas interesantes. ;)
04:59 < jeru> but fallback would be nice anyway
05:00 < mnemoc> :)
05:02 < mnemoc> www2 looks ugly :(
05:03 < jeru> https://www2.t2-project.org/about/team <- you've forgotten some people I guess
05:04 < jeru> ;)
05:04 < jeru> geek
05:04 < jeru> mnemoc: what's ugly ?
05:05 < jeru> mnemoc: have you touched the sitemap ?
05:05 < mnemoc> jeru: i forgot many, but people can add theirselves :)
05:05 < jeru> look at the sitemap
05:05 < mnemoc> menu style is ugly
05:06 < jeru> nav or sitemap ?
05:06 < mnemoc> nav
05:06 < jeru> add an issue in "my" tracker ;)
05:06 < mnemoc> and that success instead
05:06 < mnemoc> :)
05:07 < jeru> I will solve the styles
05:07 < mnemoc> why CustomizationLog is at nav?
05:07 < jeru> don't know ?
05:07 < jeru> !
05:08 < jeru> I remove it
05:10 < mnemoc> i added you to Team
05:10 < mnemoc> :)
05:10  * jeru is very grateful :D
05:11 < jeru> Webmaster ????
05:11 < jeru> .oO(I hate these collegues)
05:11 < mnemoc> :)
05:13 < mnemoc> will you do something about "Success: this thing installed successfully"?
05:13 < mnemoc> i liked 'news' and 'recient sh*t'
05:14 < mnemoc> and that dotty border stinks :p
05:14 < mnemoc> Mr. Webmaster
05:14 < jeru> what you are stinking ?
05:14 < jeru> mr maintainer
05:14 < jeru> but you're far away from stable :p
05:15 < mnemoc> :(
05:16 < mnemoc> !> usr/sbin/slmodemd: linux24 linux26
05:16 < mnemoc> !> var/lib/slmodem: linux24 linux26
05:16 < jeru> damn
05:17 < mnemoc> uhm
05:17 < mnemoc> tracker integration is broken
05:18 < mnemoc> what the f* are slmodem tools on kernel??
05:19 < jeru> which tracker ?
05:19 < mnemoc> track21
05:20 < jeru> oh the menu
05:23 < jeru> I see too much todos on my list ... 
05:23 < mnemoc> there are TODO products?
05:24 < jeru> the sideffects regarding i18n support are quite annoying
05:24 < jeru> sun goes up 
05:29 < CIA-9> amery * r8517 /branches/2.1/package/network/slmodem/slmodem.desc: * disabled slmodem due to bug #7, i'll test further before re-enabling it next time.
05:33 < mnemoc> jeru: white border on menu items is next :)
05:34 < mnemoc> jeru: s/Team/Squad/g :)
05:35 < jeru> :)
05:35 < jeru> bu I've to sleep 
05:35 < mnemoc> :(
05:36 < jeru> sorry mnemoc :/
05:37 < mnemoc> rene will kill me for disabling slmodem.... but i can keep broken packages enabled by default on stable branch
05:37 < mnemoc> can't*
05:38 < mnemoc> and people doing checkout shall be able to pass stage-1 by default
05:52 < jeru> cu mnemoc :)
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09:19 < valentin> moin
09:20 < valentin> rxr: awake ?
09:22 < valentin> jeru, mnemoc : you altered the layout of www2 ?
09:22 < rxr> re
09:22 < rxr> hi valentin 
09:23 < valentin> hi rxr
09:23 < valentin> rocknet global keywords may appear everywhere ?
09:23 < rxr> no
09:23 < rxr> only before the first interface section
09:24 < valentin> sure ?
09:26 < rxr> yes
09:26 < rxr> some may appear to work elsewhere ...
09:26 < rxr> but then they are not gobal but used per interface
09:27 < valentin> example ?
09:29 < valentin> we should be that: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/58939
09:33 < rxr> we made the former nameserver and such keywords work per interface, but forward and auto must be in the global section
09:34 < rxr> hm - from the GB of free space for the OOO buld on the iBook are only 280MB left - and it is still building ...
09:38 < valentin> .oO
09:38 < valentin> you should transfer some files
09:39 < rxr> I already rm -rf'ed big parts ...
09:40 < rxr> ah - found a bit more 1.3GB free now ...
09:40 < CIA-9> rene * r8518 /trunk/package/gnome2/epiphany/epiphany.desc: * updated epiphany (1.6.2 -> 1.6.3)
09:43 < rxr> mnemoc: _please_ do not disalbe stuff so early
09:43 < valentin> so nameserver can be a global keyword ?
09:44 < rxr> mnemoc: _please_ try to reach me first and disable stuff e.g. 8h later when I was not able to fix in time
09:44 < rxr> mnemoc: slmodm is a tiny change I'm just testing the fix
09:44 < rxr> mnemoc: when you mark everything as disabled, I might loose track of what is disabled or enabled where and you hide errors ...
09:45 < rxr> mnemoc: I'm willing to invest a few hours per day to fix any issue on major packages
09:45 < rxr> valentin: in the past nameserver was global IIRC
09:45 < rxr> valentin: but now it also works per interface
09:45 < valentin> also == both ?
09:45 < rxr> yes
09:45 < rxr> I think so
09:45 < valentin> i just need to know ...
09:45 < valentin> ok
09:46 < rxr> slmodem installing tools on kernels
09:46 < rxr> oh - sorry
09:46 < rxr> forget the line above
09:55 < rxr> the ooo build log is 26MB and it is at starmath
09:55 < rxr> my x86 log is 28MB, so it might sooner than later finish on my book ...
09:56 < rxr> yep at 91% of my build log on x86 starmath stuff was build ...
09:57 < rxr> ooo appears to be buliding for 16h on my iBook ...
09:58 < rxr> so maybe 1.7h left ...
10:11 < CIA-9> rene * r8519 /trunk/package/network/slmodem/ (no-install-drivers.patch nodepmod.patch postlinux.conf): 
10:11 < CIA-9> * fixed slmodem to not install the daemon with all the kernel module
10:11 < CIA-9>  builds ...
10:11 < rxr> mnemoc: please grab that one -^
10:13 < CIA-9> rene * r8520 /trunk/package/powerpc/mol/ (pkg_linux24_post.conf pkg_linux24benh_post.conf): * fixed the mol postlinux conditionals to only build in stage > 1
10:13 < rxr> mnemoc: that one, too -^
10:15 < CIA-9> rene * r8521 /trunk/package/scientific/comedi-driver/ (4 files): * fixed comedi-driver postlinux to only build for stage >= 1 - untested
10:16 < rxr> mnemoc: that one, too, untested -^
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11:40 < rxr> http://www.denic.de/de/domains/idns/liste.html
11:40 < rxr> ^- in .de no '+' is allowed ...
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12:09 < rxr> 10479 root      19   0  133m 131m 3644 R 28.6 26.1   0:10.80 cc1plus            
12:09 < rxr> ...
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12:11 < minto> Moin
12:11 < rxr> moin minto 
12:28 < rxr> valentin: from what I see in the cod of gcc 4.0, it should be able to automatically vectorize loops for SuperH
12:28 < rxr> (INT, 4);        /*            V4QI V2HI */
12:28 < rxr> (INT, 8);        /*       V8QI V4HI V2SI */
12:28 < rxr> (INT, 16);       /* V16QI V8HI V4SI V2DI */
12:28 < rxr> (FLOAT, 8);      /*            V4HF V2SF */
12:28 < rxr> (FLOAT, 16);     /*       V8HF V4SF V2DF */
12:28 < rxr> that are as many modes as implemented for x86, SSE/SSE2 ...
12:29 < rxr> and x86 and superh implementing most
12:29 < rxr> all others have less modes
12:29 < rxr> ah - no arm - has that many, too
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12:30 < rxr> alpha only (INT, 8), ia64 has (INT, 4) and (INT, 8), mips (FLOAT, 8) sparc just (INT, 8), (INT, 4) and rs6000 aka. powerpc even has (INT, 8) (INT, 16) (FLOAT, 8) (FLOAT, 16)
12:34  * rxr giving gcc-4.0 a test run on the sparc
12:34  * rxr is curious if it really yields VIS vectorized loops
12:37 < rxr> Revision: 6005
12:37 < rxr> guess the svn up on the sparc will take some time ,-)
12:44 < rxr> Hm - I wonder if we should leave out 4.0 and go to 4.1 directly ...
12:44 < rxr> http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.1/changes.html
12:44 < rxr> Changes: C and Objective-C
12:44 < rxr> The old Bison-based C and Objective-C parser has been replaced by a new, faster hand-written recursive-descent parser.
12:45 < rxr> I mean if a 4.1 snapshot passes my openbench or so we could do one big package fixing ound instead of two rounds ...
12:45 < rxr> and we would have 2.2 4.1 ready when 4.1 and 2.2 are finsihed and so be ahead of e.g. Gentoo or so and have s.th. to announce ...
12:48 < rxr> q Cpu0 :   8.6% user,   8.5% system,   0.0% nice,  72.1% idle,  10.8% IO-wait
12:48 < rxr> I think I should update the sparc's svn - 0.29.0 (r6976) and inefficient old version ...
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13:10 < minto> rxr: Do we want java based package to be build from source as well. Or do we allow for binary packages even when the source is available?
13:11 < minto> rxr: Gentoo uses a build it all policy.  http://gentoo-wiki.com/Why_Build_Java_Code_From_Source
13:15 < rxr> real    16m34.914s
13:15 < rxr> user    1m32.420s
13:15 < rxr> sys     1m18.330s
13:15 < rxr> minto: build from source if available
13:15 < rxr> minto: what package do you look at ?
13:16 < minto> rxr: Log4J, JUnit, and all other apache java stuff
13:17 < rxr> is building them from your a problem ?=
13:19 < minto> I don't think so. But some ship as binary (with source included). Some ship binary only like Maven and Maven1 (already packaged)
13:21 < rxr> if source I would always prefer to build it ...
13:21 < rxr> but java is under your review - I have no deep experience with problem in the java* stuff ...
13:21 < minto> ack. I will first add additional packages and later worry about creating maven stuff from source.
13:29 < rxr> ooo ppc finished
13:31 < rxr> == 18:00:05 =[9]=> Building office/ooo [1.9-m90 2.2.0-alpha].
13:31 < rxr> == 04/25/05 13:12:01 =[9]=> Finished building package ooo.
13:32 < rxr> but it does not run later on ...
13:32 < rxr> f*ck
13:32 < rxr> $ /opt/ooo/bin/oowriter1.9 
13:32 < rxr> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'com::sun::star::uno::RuntimeException'
13:32 < rxr> /opt/ooo/lib/OpenOffice.org/program/soffice: line 239:  8585 Aborted                 (core dumped) "$sd_prog/$sd_binary" "$@"
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13:58 < jeru> hi all 
13:58 < rxr> hi _jeru^Wjeru ,-)
13:58 < jeru> Hi rxr ;)
14:01 < rxr> the gentoo CFLAGS matrix is a joke
14:01 < rxr> just crap in there, including:
14:01 < rxr>  -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64  CFLAGS  FTP limits  Enables file sizes over 2Gigabytes. Useful for ftp of iso images works
14:02 < rxr> as if ftp clients would be the most imprtant applicatiosn (and the programs not using this already if available ...
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14:09 < jeru> we've some problems regarding i18n support. We've now a solution which works, but major portlets (boxes) like the tracker menus doesn't seem to work out of the box. What should we do? disabling i18n and reschedule the translation work ?
14:09 < rxr> jeru: no idea
14:10 < rxr> I'm not in plone ...
14:10 < rxr> I guess migration from one i18n thing to another is a lot of work
14:10 < rxr> so mayve better stall that until it is working out ...
14:10 < rxr> but I have no idea about plone
14:11 < jeru> rxr: ok ... will examine some things ... and come back to this issue later ;)
14:12 < valentin> jeru: i am still a bit sceptical with the i18n - i fear the different translations will become inconsistent one day ...
14:12 < rxr> rather sooner than later I think
14:12 < rxr> however living with lagging non en translation is 
14:12 < rxr> acceptable IMHO
14:12 < valentin> as long as it is lagging only ....
14:13 < valentin> i fear translators will not check for changes very often
14:13 < jeru> rxr: ack ... it's nice to have 
14:13 < jeru> valentin: the current solution has implented a workflow which will infor translators about changes in the main dec
14:13 < jeru> doc
14:13 < valentin> ok
14:14 < valentin> then it will work well, as long as the translators are motivated :)
14:14 < rxr> GCC 4.0 also introduces a security feature called Mudflap, which adds extra features to the compiled program that check for a class of vulnerabilities called buffer overruns,
14:14 < rxr> huh?
14:14 < rxr> really - never heared about that before
14:14 < valentin> how does it work ?
14:14 < rxr> maybe s.th. like the stack smashing protector?
14:15 < rxr> it is out of a cnet gcc news anyway
14:15 < rxr> and that news is really really bad
14:15 < rxr> seldom read so much crap
14:15 < rxr> http://ecoustics-cnet.com.com/Key+open-source+programming+tool+due+for+overhaul/2100-7344_3-5615886.html
14:15 < jeru> as I said I will try some things regarding i18n. Perhaps we can make a decission this evening.
14:16 < rxr> grep -ri Mudflap * yields occurances ...
14:16 < rxr> ./tree-nomudflap.c
14:16 < rxr> ./tree-mudflap.c
14:16 < rxr> ./tree-mudflap.h
14:16 < rxr> Mudflap: narrow-pointer bounds-checking by tree rewriting.
14:16 < rxr> aha
14:18 < rxr> Memory reference transforms. Perform the mudflap indirection-related tree transforms on the current function.
14:18 < rxr> This is the second part of the mudflap instrumentation.  It works on low-level GIMPLE using the CFG, because we want to run this pass after tree optimizations have been performed, but we have to preserve the CFG for expansion from trees to RTL.
14:19 < rxr>  For the mudflap1 pass, this implies
14:19 < rxr>    that it should be registered with the libmudflap runtime.  For the
14:19 < rxr>    mudflap2 pass this means instrumenting an indirection operation with
14:19 < rxr>    respect to the object.
14:22 < rxr> http://open64.sourceforge.net/
15:15 < mnemoc> rxr: if i disable a package because it's making the build imposible for newbie i keep the note on the bugtrack and the bug open. disabling is just a hotfix for people building default T2. i'm on 5-cups right now.
15:18 < jeru> Hi mnemoc :)
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15:20 < mnemoc> hi ugly-navigation-jeru
15:21 < mnemoc> rxr: i didn't fix them because it was very late and i was sleepy, but i planned to fix them. i'll try your patches now.
15:22 < jeru> mnemoc: looks you're looking for trouble ;)
15:22 < mnemoc> hehe
15:23 < minto> tomorrow morning 10 o'clock behind the church.
15:23 < minto> place your bets here
15:23 < minto> :-)
15:24 < mnemoc> if you pay the ticket i gladly go to be hit
15:24 < minto> Sorry mnemoc, we come overthere ;-)
15:25 < mnemoc> :)
15:26 < jeru> mnemoc: as you know a trip to chile is on my list too .... hehe :)
15:26 < mnemoc> your list is almost as large as mine :)
15:26 < jeru> mnemoc: I guess ... that's true
15:27 < minto> Friends again? Looks like the bets are off :-(                   :-D
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15:28 < mnemoc> hehe
15:30 < rxr> moin mnemoc 
15:31 < rxr> mnemoc: I did not demand that you fix them - just that you do not disable everything immediately ...
15:31 < rxr> however I think tihs will not happen often in the future, since 2.1 should be resonable stable now ...
15:32 < mnemoc> rxr: http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/regressions.html
15:32 < rxr> mnemoc: ooo on my iBook compiled 19h or so
15:32 < rxr> and the result does not run
15:32 < rxr> but it build without error ...
15:32 < mnemoc> rxr: :(
15:32 < rxr> # gcc --version
15:32 < rxr> gcc (GCC) 4.0.0
15:32 < rxr> I'll do some more testing on my sparc ...
15:32 < rxr> testing of 4.0
15:33 < mnemoc> rxr: what do you think it should be done (symlink, mount --bind, ...) to share a ccache cache between different trees?
15:34 < rxr> differenent trees, hm
15:34 < rxr> bind mount could work I think
15:34 < rxr> however this will some time soon not have a value anyway when trunk is gcc-4.0 or 4.1 ..
15:35 < mnemoc> good point
15:35 < mnemoc> i need more disk space :(
15:35 < rxr> I'll version the directory later
15:35 < rxr> so it will be build/ccache-$arch-$opts-$gccver
15:35 < rxr> I think ...
15:37 < rxr>  /we luch
15:37 < mnemoc> .oO
15:37 < mnemoc> .oO( thinking about what /we luch means, not ccache thingy ;) )o
15:40 < jeru> mnemoc: ccache will eat rxr ;)
15:41 < mnemoc> hehe
15:47 < keinek> cp: cannot stat `boot/vmlinuz_2.6.11.7-dist': No such file or directory
15:47 < keinek> :(
15:47 < keinek> idem
15:47 < keinek> morning
15:47 < mnemoc> uhm?
15:47 < mnemoc> did you remove linux26 linux24 uml_utilities, resync and rebuild?
15:48 < keinek> yes
15:48 < keinek> bash-3.00# ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg bootXp -remove uml_utilities linux26 linux24 linux-header   
15:48 < keinek> bash-3.00# ./scripts/Config -cfg bootXp -oldconfig
15:48 < keinek> bash-3.00# ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg bootXp
15:48 < mnemoc> grep uml config/bootXp/packages
15:48 < keinek> X ---3------ 179.300 base uml_utilities 20040406 / base/system DIETLIBC 0
15:49 < mnemoc> aaaarg...
15:49 < keinek> what?
15:49 < keinek> this is not my package.
15:49 < mnemoc> minute
15:49 < keinek> ok
15:53 < mnemoc> did you svn up before re-running Config ?
15:53 < mnemoc> # grep uml config/boot/packages
15:53 < mnemoc> O ---3------ 179.300 base uml_utilities 20040406 / base/system DIETLIBC 0
15:57 < keinek> i do that now
15:57 < keinek> but i did before
15:58 < keinek> U  target/bootdisk/config.in
15:58 < keinek> U  target/bootdisk/build_stage2.sh
15:58 < keinek> U  package/network/slmodem/slmodem.desc
15:59 < mnemoc> no, you didn't
15:59 < keinek> O ---3------ 179.300 base uml_utilities 20040406 / base/system DIETLIBC 0
15:59 < keinek> now is good right?
16:00 < keinek> Build again
16:00 < keinek>  :)
16:01 < mnemoc> keinek: it was fixed when i told you to sync with HEAD :)
16:02 < keinek> i did svn up before
16:02 < keinek> minutes before you tell me
16:02 < keinek> so i think that just is ready
16:03 < mnemoc> jeru: can you try adding blue border to portlets?
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16:03 < jeru> mnemoc: after I added the functionality I will do CSS work
16:03 < jeru> hehe :)
16:03 < mnemoc> :)
16:04 < rxr> == 16:05:16 =[7]=> Building base/man-pages [2.01 2.2.0-alpha].
16:04 < keinek> mnemoc
16:04 < mnemoc> :D
16:04 < mnemoc> keinek: 
16:04 < keinek> what do ? bash-3.00# ./scripts/Config -cfg bootXp -oldconfig
16:04 < keinek> -oldconfig?
16:05 < mnemoc> and re-remove the packages
16:05 < mnemoc> and do a grep to test
16:05 < keinek> ok
16:05 < keinek> restructure the package list use the old config.
16:05 < keinek> ok
16:07 < rxr> cool
16:07 < rxr> sparc loop auto vectorization works:
16:07 < rxr> $ gcc -mcpu=ultrasparc -mvis -c test.c -ftree-vectorize -ftree-vectorizer-verbose=1 -O2
16:07 < rxr> test.c:2: note: vectorized 0 loops in function.
16:07 < rxr> test.c:11: note: vectorized 0 loops in function.
16:07 < rxr> test.c:72: note: LOOP VECTORIZED.
16:07 < rxr> test.c:65: note: vectorized 1 loops in function.
16:07 < rxr> test.c:79: note: vectorized 0 loops in function.
16:07 < rxr> test.c:101: note: LOOP VECTORIZED.
16:07 < rxr> test.c:92: note: vectorized 1 loops in function.
16:07 < rxr> test.c:107: note: vectorized 0 loops in function.
16:08 < mnemoc> does vectorization has any restriction?
16:09 < rxr> what do you mean with restriction =
16:09 < mnemoc> <clifford> and it took me ages to find out why perl segfaults when I'm doing a 'use SVN::....' ;-) <--- regarding swig update
16:10 < mnemoc> does it vectorize for any arch?
16:10 < rxr> nope - only for those implemented and those that have vector operations ... of course ...
16:10 < mnemoc> or it depends on some special instructions?
16:10 < mnemoc> ok
16:10 < rxr> on x86 it is supporting sse and sse2
16:10 < rxr> it does support Altivec on PowerPC and VIS on SPARC
16:10 < mnemoc> sse=p4?
16:10 < mnemoc> or p3?
16:10 < rxr> even ARM and SuperH
16:10 < mnemoc> oh
16:10 < rxr> sse and sse2
16:11 < rxr> that is starting from p3 IIRC
16:11 < mnemoc> nice
16:11 < rxr> in the golem article I wrote sse/sse2 and Altivec
16:11 < rxr> however in the meantime I found out even the ones listed above
16:11 < rxr> information about that is a bit rare
16:11 < rxr> I read over the source to find that ...
16:11 < rxr> the website does not include implementation details. ..
16:12 < rxr> this is my list for the article (attention flood):
16:12 < rxr> alpha (INT, 8)
16:12 < rxr> arm (INT, 4)
16:12 < rxr> arm (INT, 8)
16:12 < rxr> arm (INT, 16)
16:12 < rxr> arm (FLOAT, 8)
16:12 < rxr> arm (FLOAT, 16)
16:12 < rxr> i386 (INT, 4)
16:12 < rxr> i386 (INT, 8)
16:12 < rxr> i386 (INT, 16)
16:12 < rxr> i386 (FLOAT, 8)
16:12 < rxr> i386 (FLOAT, 16)
16:12 < rxr> ia64 (INT, 4)
16:12 < rxr> ia64 (INT, 8)
16:12 < rxr> mips (FLOAT, 8)
16:12 < rxr> rs6000 (INT, 8)
16:12 < rxr> rs6000 (INT, 16)
16:12 < rxr> rs6000 (FLOAT, 8)
16:12 < rxr> rs6000 (FLOAT, 16)
16:12 < rxr> sh (INT, 4)
16:12 < rxr> sh (INT, 8)
16:12 < rxr> sh (INT, 16)
16:12 < rxr> sh (FLOAT, 8)
16:12 < rxr> sh (FLOAT, 16)
16:12 < rxr> sparc (INT, 8)
16:12 < rxr> sparc (INT, 4)
16:13 < rxr> as one can see x86, superh and arm have implemented most, followed by powerpc
16:14 < sepp_> hello all
16:14 < mnemoc> nice
16:14 < mnemoc> hi sepp_ 
16:16 < rxr> mnemoc: what is cliffords perl svn:: problem ?
16:17 < mnemoc> swig .24 doesn't include runtime thing
16:17 < mnemoc> stuff build but segfaults on runtime
16:17 < sepp_> do we want to have an propaganda x background? i chatted a bit with luis ...
16:17 < mnemoc> sepp_: big and soft logo?
16:18 < sepp_> mnemoc: yes
16:18 < sepp_> mnemoc: what do you mean with soft?
16:18 < mnemoc> color
16:19 < sepp_> ahh yes
16:19 < mnemoc> i like them
16:19 < jeru> hi sepp :)
16:19 < mnemoc> rxr: i'm worried about perl segfaulting while building spamassassin
16:20 < rxr> mnemoc: you can assign this to me ...
16:20 < mnemoc> :)
16:21 < sepp_> hi jeru 
16:24 < rxr> Error logs from default-2.2.0-alpha-x86-pentium-mmx-desktop:
16:24 < rxr> [5] mail/spamassassin                   [5] mail/exim [5] graphic/ghostscript                 [5] fonts/ghostscript-fonts [5] www/firefox                         [5] multimedia/blender [5] kde/kdenetwork                      [5] multimedia/libcss [5] graphic/inkscape                    
16:24 < rxr> 666 builds total, 657 completed fine, 9 with errors.
16:24 < mnemoc> graphic/ghostscript is weird
16:24 < rxr> assign this to me as well
16:25 < rxr> at least it happens on both of our sides
16:25 < mnemoc> yep
16:25 < rxr> so it should not be ccache noise ...
16:25 < mnemoc> after i injected pdf_sec.ps
16:25 < rxr> I schedule debugging for the evening / night
16:25 < rxr> I'll see
16:25 < mnemoc> rxr: rc3 is out anyway... but fails also
16:25 < rxr> rc3 of what ?
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16:26 < mnemoc> ghostscript
16:26 < rxr> ah
16:32 < rxr> svn nears 1.2 1.2-rc2 out AFAIC
16:32 < rxr> S
16:33 < rxr> out for testing since 2005-04-22
16:33 < mnemoc> jeru: why i don't see rene on assign list?
16:33 < jeru> where ?
16:33 < jeru> tarcker ?
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16:40 < minto> mnemoc: What was the with swig and perl you where mentioning?
16:41 < mnemoc> swig changed a lot and remove runtime thing, stuff builds with new swig but segfaults on runtime
16:41 < minto> The runtime thing is still there but needs to be build separately.
16:42 < minto> I think this changed from .21 to .22
16:42 < mnemoc> ack
16:42 < mnemoc> can you update swig package on trunk including the new method to get runtime built?
16:43 < minto> I can have a look
16:44 < mnemoc> thanks :)
16:45 < rxr_> my test:
16:45 < rxr_> (some loops)
16:45 < rxr_> SPARC VIS: gcc 4.0 -O2:
16:45 < rxr_> user    0m9.330s
16:45 < rxr_> SPARC VIS: gcc 4.0 -O2 vectorized:
16:45 < rxr_> user    0m7.190s
16:46 < rxr_> that's an improvement ,-)
16:46 < mnemoc> :)
16:46 < rxr_> SPARC VIS: gcc 4.0 -Os:
16:46 < rxr_> user    0m9.300s
16:47 < rxr_> SPARC VIS: gcc 4.0 -O3:
16:47 < rxr_> user    0m9.730s
16:47 < mnemoc> rxr: cp: cannot stat `/etc/modules.conf': No such file or directory
16:47 < mnemoc> make[2]: *** [install] Error 1
16:47 < mnemoc> make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/building/t2-stable/src.linux24.1114439116.3749.a8c00201/slmodem-2.9.10/drivers'
16:47 < rxr_> what the h*ll
16:48 < mnemoc> slmodem still needing extra sanity :)
16:49 < rxr_> mnemoc: slap it ...
16:49 < rxr_> strange why did I miss that
16:49 < rxr_> you have no /etc/modules.conf ?
16:50 < mnemoc> cp /etc/modules.conf /etc/modules.conf.slamr && \ echo 'alias char-major-212 slamr' >> /etc/modules.conf && \ echo 'alias char-major-213 slusb' >> /etc/modules.conf
16:50 < mnemoc> cp: cannot stat `/etc/modules.conf': No such file or directory
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16:50 < mnemoc> this is quite evil on stage 
16:50 < mnemoc> 11
16:50 < mnemoc> 1
16:50 < rxr_> mnemoc: ack I patch
16:50 -!- You're now known as rxr
16:50 < mnemoc> but yes, i don't have /etc/modules.conf
16:51 < mnemoc> i wonder why
16:51 < rxr> why didn't I got outside basedir ...
16:51 < rxr> strange
16:51 < mnemoc> yep
16:53 < rxr> aside the recent stage1 trouble I hope you see the value in this modules for every kernel change?
16:53 < rxr> IIRC you where a bit reluctant about that change in the beginning ... ?
16:53 < mnemoc> yes
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16:53 < mnemoc> i even defend it now
16:54 < rxr> well - the beast should not touch modules.conf at all
16:55 < rxr> shared file ...
17:06 < rxr> ouhm - Emerging on this sparc is fun
17:06 < rxr> any dependency got an update in between ...
17:06 < rxr> ROCK Linux 2.0.0-beta5 (2003/06/27)
17:07 < rxr> and that is new - previously I had 1.7 tried on them ...
17:07 < rxr> however my U30 is already running a 64bit userspace T2 ...
17:07 < mnemoc> oh
17:10 < rxr> hm - strange
17:10 < rxr> on x86 gcc-4.0 only vectorizes the same loops of my examples
17:10 < rxr> altough I picked them from the gcc source ...
17:10 < rxr> well, ...
17:10 < rxr> at least it vectorizes "something"
17:12 < rxr> user    0m0.939s
17:12 < rxr> ouhm - athlon ~10 times faster than the 270Mhz U5 ... ,-)
17:12 < rxr> WoW!
17:12 < rxr> the above was vectorized
17:12 < rxr> not vectorized is:
17:12 < rxr> user    0m2.085s
17:13 < mnemoc> oh
17:14 < rxr> same code
17:14 < rxr> so the results are directly comparable ...
17:14 < rxr> some loops processing arrays, in multiple quantities that are vector friendly ...
17:14 < rxr> like video or 3d data ...
17:14 < rxr> however I wonder why only 2 of my 8 or so loops are vectorized
17:15 < rxr> according to the spare gcc info all should have been ...
17:15 < rxr> of course the times above are only for running those vectorized loops ...
17:16 < rxr> == 17:23:10 =[9]=> Building base/curl [7.13.2 2.2.0-alpha].
17:16 < rxr> -> Parallel build using 4 jobs enabled.
17:16 < rxr> !> The package build aborted with the following config error:
17:16 < rxr> !> pkgprefix: mysql record is old, please rebuild
17:16 < rxr> == 04/25/05 17:23:16 =[9]=> Aborted building package curl.
17:16 < rxr> where is this pkgprefix hidden ?
17:16 < mnemoc> :)
17:16 < mnemoc> parse-config
17:16 < rxr> which? 
17:16 < mnemoc> mysql does massive extending
17:17 < rxr> oh - damn
17:17 < rxr> that is annoying ...
17:17 < rxr> (for resurecting old systems ...)
17:17 < mnemoc> yep
17:18 < rxr> I manually inject it to make mysql happy ..
17:18 < mnemoc> :)
17:18 < rxr> do not want to waste cycles on mysql rebuild on the sparc ...
17:18 < mnemoc> and on slmodem?
17:18 < rxr> mnemoc: me already patching it ...
17:18 < mnemoc> uhm? CIA-9!
17:18 < rxr> no
17:18 < rxr> locally and testing on the athlon I meant
17:19 < mnemoc> :\
17:19 < rxr> am patch_ing_ - doing right now
17:19 < mnemoc> btw, after ccache changes linux26 took only 20 minutes to build comparted with 70 before
17:20 < rxr> ,-) and what cache hit percentage ?
17:20 < mnemoc> 98.74% (4304 hits, 55 misses)
17:20 < rxr> *grrrr*
17:20 < mnemoc> i'm happy anyway :)
17:22 < mnemoc> it seems i'll have to wait after class to continue building 
17:23 < mnemoc> cu
17:24 < jeru> cu
17:26 < CIA-9> rene * r8522 /trunk/package/network/slmodem/nodepmod.patch: * fixed slmodem to not touch etc/modprobe.conf
17:27 < CIA-9> rene * r8523 /trunk/package/network/slmodem/ (4 files): * slmodem nodepmod.patch -> install.patch rename and copyright update
17:30 < rxr> user    0m0.909s
17:30 < rxr> ^- with loop unswitching and peeling ...
17:31 < rxr> well - ok not much gain - was background load noise ...
17:38 < jeru> have to go now ... cu you later 
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17:45 < mtr_> hi
17:46 < mtr_> HowToWiki is full of spam
17:48 < rxr> mnemoc: howtowiki where ?
17:48 < mtr_> who is wiki maintainer? can i clean this up, too, or is a maintainer account needed?
17:49 < rxr> wiki.t2-project.org ?
17:49 < mtr_> wiki.t2-project.org, subject HowToWiki
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18:07 < rxr> mtr_: you should be able to clean yourself
18:23 < rxr> url.c:380: note: vectorized 1 loops in function.
18:23 < rxr> *gr*
18:24 < rxr> curl on Ultra SPARC
18:24 < mtr_> wiki looks clean again
18:25 < rxr> mtr_: thanks!
18:30 < rxr> http_ntlm.c:330: note: vectorized 1 loops in function.
18:32 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/58977
18:33 < rxr> hm
18:33 < rxr> the resulting curl does not work ...
18:33 < rxr> segfaults on startup ...
18:33 < rxr> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
18:33 < rxr> 0x7005fb4c in curl_free () from /usr/lib/libcurl.so.3
18:33 < rxr> (gdb) bt
18:33 < rxr> #0  0x7005fb4c in curl_free () from /usr/lib/libcurl.so.3
18:33 < rxr> #1  0x70060458 in curl_mvsnprintf () from /usr/lib/libcurl.so.3
18:33 < rxr> #2  0x700604cc in curl_msnprintf () from /usr/lib/libcurl.so.3
18:33 < rxr> #3  0x7005e2ac in Curl_SSLConnect () from /usr/lib/libcurl.so.3
18:33 < rxr> #4  0x7005e3ac in curl_version_info () from /usr/lib/libcurl.so.3
18:33 < rxr> #5  0x00014acc in _init ()
18:33 < rxr> #6  0x70233a88 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6
18:49 < rxr> ouhm
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18:50 < jeru> rehi
18:51 < sepp_> jeru: http://home.arcor.de/sebastian.czech/t2/t2logov_highcontrast2.svg 
18:51 < jeru> click
18:52 < jeru> looks nice too :)
18:53 < CIA-9> rene * r8524 /trunk/package/base/gcc/wrappers.in: * added 4.* to the list of known gcc versions to wrap
18:58 < jeru> sepp_: but what do you tell somebody who asks for the meaning of the logo ?
18:59 < sepp_> jeru: i would tell him that it is a logo - look at some sample logo, gnome or kde for example
19:01 < sepp_> maybe the gnome logo means the large mem. footprint it takes tu run, but i dont think so
19:01 < sepp_> to run*
19:02 < jeru> hehe :)
19:10 < sepp_> i think 64x64 pixel is a bit to small to tell that t2 if a sde that ...
19:27 < rxr> sepp_: interesting logo ,-)
19:33 < rxr> hm - ultrasparc optmization is causing the segfault ... :-(
19:48 < valentin> re
19:50 < mnemoc> rehi
19:50 < mnemoc> rxr: i wont to drop wiki.t2-project.org
19:50 < minto> mnemoc: It seems swig no longer needs a separate runtime
19:50 < mnemoc> want*
19:50 < valentin> mnemoc: ack, we do not need it anymore once we have www2 ready
19:51 < valentin> but we should search the pages for re-usable data first
19:51 < valentin> i.e the todo's
19:51 < mnemoc> minto: that's the .24 thing i told you, but according to ROCK people it produce segfaults
19:52 < minto> mnemoc: Does swig produce segfautls or stuff using swig?
19:52 < mnemoc> stuff using swig
19:52 < mnemoc> perl using SVN:: was their example
19:52 < minto> what package is that?
19:53 < minto> I can try to build it.
19:53 < mnemoc> svn :)
19:53 < jeru> oh hi valentin,mnemoc,minto
19:53 < mnemoc> svn has python and perl bindings
19:53 < minto> hi jeru :-)
19:53 < mnemoc> using swig
19:53 < mnemoc> hi jeru :)
19:54 < minto> Okay I will build svn then.
19:54 < mnemoc> jeru: how is your ugly nav menu today? ;)
19:54  * mnemoc hides
19:54  * jeru will find this damn mnemoc
19:55 < minto> Quick, quick place you bets before they stop fighting again.
19:55 < jeru> mnemoc: I don't have much time for doing CSS stuff
19:55 < mnemoc> you wont!
19:55  * mnemoc hides again
19:55  * jeru catches mnemoc on his ears 
19:55  * valentin searches his old W20 ...
19:56 < mnemoc> outch
19:57 < jeru> mnemoc: I've nothing done yet ;)
19:57 < valentin> what is w20 in international language ?
19:57 < valentin> ikosaeder with 20 faces ...
20:03 < mnemoc> jeru: http://products.bluedynamics.org/Products/Boa
20:03 < jeru> click
20:05 < mnemoc> Boa is a RAD for python with zope support
20:06 < mnemoc> people recommended it get a TODO product, but looks interesting as a whole
20:06 < valentin> wasn't there a real boa named constructor ?
20:06 < mnemoc> http://boa-constructor.sourceforge.net/ <-- this?
20:07 < sepp_> Boa Constrictor is the snake
20:07 < valentin> ah - it is boa constrictor
20:07 < jeru> mnemoc: alleready looking for solving this fucking tracker issue
20:07 < mnemoc> :)
20:07 < mnemoc> constrictor because it compress :)
20:08 < mnemoc> jeru: using it as debugger?
20:09 < jeru> mnemoc: nope I don't need a debugger yet ... because PCNG (tracker) doesn't support new style portlets 
20:09 < mnemoc> oh
20:10 < jeru> I'll try to make PCNG PlonePortlets aware
20:10 < mnemoc> oh
20:22 < jeru> mnemoc: http://www.contentmanagementsoftware.info/plone/wiki-wicked <- for my wiki friend
20:24 < mnemoc> better than zwiki?
20:25 < jeru> mnemoc: don't know :)
20:25 < mnemoc> :)
20:25 < jeru> mnemoc:  I'm not the wiki master ;)
20:27 < mnemoc> with an open CMS we don't need wiki and we wont get spammed
20:28 < jeru> mnemoc: btw, there is some example portlet code around which renders rst :)
20:29 < jeru> mnemoc: but I forgot you guys hate rst
20:29 < mnemoc> like a 'sandbox'?
20:30 < jeru> mnemoc: e.g. you can grab rst doc from the fs and displaying it 
20:31 < mnemoc> oh, i was thinking in somekind of 'preview'
20:31 < jeru> mnemoc: well this would be possible too
20:32 < jeru> does support kupu rst ?
20:32 < mnemoc> jeru: people say yes
20:33 < jeru> oh!
20:33 < mnemoc> .oO( who is people? someone from #plone channel )o
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20:41 < rxr> hm - this questioning of joschka fischer is quite - well - interesting
20:41 < _Ragnar_> questioning?
20:42 < rxr> how stupid can politicans asking question not beeing matter of subject haging around at this time and not coming along a bit ...
20:42 < rxr> this "untersuchungsaussusch zu diesem visa stuff"
20:42 < mnemoc> .oO
20:42 < jeru> rxr: just propaganda ;)
20:43 < _Ragnar_> ah
20:47 < rxr> jeru: yeah - well sure - but now I even knwo that this C{D,S}U marionets are too dump for a "smart" or at least any useful questioning ...
20:48 < mnemoc> are those politic groups?
20:48 < rxr> "aren't this and that problems here in germany bad?" (with much more filings and storries within filling 10 minutes) Answer: "Yeah - sure - but maybe it is better to ask the minister for the inner and not me ..." ...
20:48 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - "a" partie ...
20:49 < mnemoc> ic
20:50 < rxr> in south germany it is CSU and in the rest CDU - but they are the "same" and mostly the dumpest ...
20:50 < rxr> sometimes I wonder how they mange to walk ...
20:51 < mnemoc> the only difference is the target people?
20:51 < jeru> rxr: they are all dumb anyway, but the CDU/CSU has a special part to play 
20:51 < rxr> at least questioning a minister in a investigation broadcasted on TV is also not on their list of "things they are able to"
20:51 < rxr> jeru: the part of the dumbest morons ? ...
20:53 < rxr> well - enough politics ...
20:54 < jeru> rxr: :)
20:54 < mnemoc> rxr: ====[apply_patchfiles:657 (last $?=0)> [[ /usr/src/building/t2-stable/package/network/slmodem/nodepmod.patch = *.bz2 ]]
20:54 < jeru> rxr: it just sucks you brain ... 
20:54 < rxr> I hope noone here is C{D,S}U supported that feels personally confronted now ...
20:54 < mnemoc> ====[apply_patchfiles:660 (last $?=1)> patch -bfp1 -z .orig
20:54 < mnemoc> 2 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file drivers/Makefile.rej
20:54 < mnemoc> patching file drivers/Makefile
20:54 < mnemoc> Hunk #1 FAILED at 75.
20:54 < mnemoc> Hunk #2 FAILED at 102.
20:54 < rxr> mnemoc: oehm - didn't I remove that ...?
20:55 < mnemoc> i did merge.... minute
20:56 < rxr> HEAD doesn't include that patch anymore
20:56 < mnemoc> weird
20:56 < rxr> but a combined install.patch
20:56 < rxr> maybe you had local changes or so ..
20:56 < mnemoc> merge only removed the description of the patch
20:57 < mnemoc> weird
20:57 < mnemoc> removed anyway
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21:19 < valentin> rxr: be carefull with politics :)
21:20 < valentin> and no - i never {did,will,} vote C?U
21:20 < _Ragnar_> :)
21:21 < jeru> valentin: but now the question arises: What to vote ?
21:21 < jeru> anyways
21:21 < jeru> :)
21:22 < valentin> jeru: i do not know what to vote (and i did not really know the last time) - but C?U folks makes it easy to decide what _not_ to vote - and then there is usually few alternative to the other side
21:23 < valentin> esp when comming up with stoiber / dreckstein
21:23 < jeru> :D
21:24 < valentin> maybe this time it will be angela - at least a woman (one bonus point)
21:24 < rxr> uhm
21:25 < valentin> yes - i know, angela is embarrassing too ...
21:25 < rxr> damn I think I stop tring to produce a curl binary with gcc4.0 that works when ultrasparc optmization is applied ...
21:25 < valentin> .oO
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21:32 < valentin> let's found an OSS party
21:34 < sepp> hehe it will mutate you - see the green party
21:34 < jeru> valentin: party name = NERD
21:35 < valentin> nice idea - but i fear the N..D could be mistaken
21:36 < jeru> GEEK ?
21:36 < jeru> + mnemoc as president
21:36 < valentin> fnord - Fuer noch mehr Open souRce in Deutschland
21:36 < jeru> :D
21:36 < jeru> valentin: that's it
21:37 < valentin> how many geeks live in germany ? will we have a realistic chance to pass the 5% threshold ?
21:38 < jeru> I think there are more geeks than "Titanic" subscribers ;)
21:39 < jeru> http://www.die-partei.de/
21:39 < valentin> i know that party
21:39 < jeru> ok
21:43 < jeru> but it would be interesting to see a guy from the CCC on Otto's chair :)
21:44 < valentin> yeah
22:13 < valentin> rxr: in some 15 minutes or so we will have some generic code to savely edit key-value line based configurations
22:13 < valentin> ok, maybe +30 minutes with ready implementation of some rocknet test code
22:36 < rxr> don't I already have this
22:36 < rxr> in utility there is a parser
22:36  * rxr hides ...
22:36 < rxr> it is quite generic
22:36 < rxr> and I think you already know it ...
22:37 < rxr> but a 2nd good piece of code is of course always welcome
22:37 < rxr> that parser can also only read in - not write back IIRC ...
22:37 < rxr> at least not non-destructive ...
22:37 < rxr> if at all
22:37  * rxr in bed
22:37 < sepp> sleep well
22:37 < rxr> cu shortly after 6 o'clock in the morning ...
22:41 < valentin> rxr: i do not think so
22:42 < valentin> what file do you mean ?
22:46 < valentin> gn8 rxr :(
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