--- Log opened Sat Apr 23 00:00:20 2005 --- Day changed Sat Apr 23 2005 00:00 < sepp> jeru: contrast is better this way 00:00 < jeru> sepp: have to see it live ;) 00:00 < PeskyGee> still getting -bash: /etc/profile: Permission Denied 00:01 < jeru> sepp: will install T2PloneSkin product for plone ... then we can play around 00:02 < sepp> i am sure i am biased but i dont like sites with xxx funky colours 00:08 < mnemoc> PeskyGee: stat -c %a /etc/profile 00:10 < PeskyGee> 700 00:11 < jeru> sepp: reload website please ... just installed a custom skin and changed th bg as proposed 00:11 < jeru> but looks quite ugly with the other colors ;) 00:13 < mnemoc> PeskyGee: change it to 644.... i'll try to trace that 00:13 < sepp> jeru: can you use a gradient? 00:13 < sepp> as bg 00:14 < PeskyGee> Hey, thanks guys for all the help and it was nice talking to you but I am going to wait a few until a updated ver comes out w/ udev and some bug fixes. hopefully I see you soon :-) 00:14 < PeskyGee> Cya :-) 00:14 < jeru> cu PeskyGee 00:14 < sepp> jeru: the greenish thing on grey looks really ugly 00:14 -!- PeskyGee [~PeskyGee@pool-71-240-25-185.pitt.east.verizon.net] has quit ["User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby"] 00:25 < sepp> jeru: if there is a way to change the strange green and maybe the link colour i would like it 00:25 < jeru> hehe :) 00:25 < jeru> I will do 00:26 < jeru> sitemap activated too 00:26 < jeru> but still a lot to tweak 00:26 < mnemoc> jeru: your skin _stinks_ 00:27 < sepp> why? 00:27 -!- ojh [~omer@208-45-98-148.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2 00:28 < jeru> mnemoc: I know ... I told you before :) 00:28 < mnemoc> :) 00:28 < jeru> but I think together with sepp we'll get it in shape ;) 00:28 < jeru> :w 00:28 < jeru> damn 00:30 < mnemoc> are you saving irc log? 00:30 < jeru> sepp: what link color ? 00:30 < jeru> mnemoc: hehe ... nope 00:30 < jeru> mnemoc: reload please 00:31 < jeru> mnemoc: what link color ? 00:32 < mnemoc> visited links color doesn't fit 00:32 < jeru> ack 00:32 < jeru> and the normal link color ? 00:32 < sepp> jeru: 00267e ? 00:32 < jeru> mom 00:33 < jeru> sepp: blue 00:33 < sepp> yes 00:33 < sepp> maybe it will look bad 00:33 < sepp> the remote guess thing is a bit strange 00:33 < jeru> reload 00:34 < jeru> and visited link ? 00:34 < jeru> sepp: but I think it looks better than the red ;) 00:35 < mnemoc> a 00267e T^2 logo is missing :) 00:36 < sepp> maybe 484848 ? 00:36 < mnemoc> jeru: give him access to cssmanager :) 00:37 < mnemoc> white looks ugly there 00:37 < jeru> mnemoc: ack 00:37 < jeru> do you run cssmanager ? 00:37 < sepp> it the visited link gets sort of the color of the bg - i think this would be nice 00:38 < sepp> darker grey 00:38 < jeru> sepp: ack 00:38 < sepp> sort of - you was already there we dont use a agressive colout then 00:38 < jeru> we've to replace thelink icon too 00:41 < mnemoc> jeru: ack to what? 00:42 < sepp> jeru: if you could now replace the d1d5ba ... 00:43 < jeru> mnemoc: ack was for sepp and you 00:43 < jeru> mnemoc: logo 00:44 < jeru> sepp: what color do you propose as replacement ? 00:44 < sepp> maybe cdcdcd 00:44 < mnemoc> can your dark "created by" to something closer to vlinks? 00:44 < sepp> it would make a maybe nice minimalistic there 00:45 < sepp> theme* 00:45 < jeru> reload 00:45 < mnemoc> what is i18nlayer? 00:45 < sepp> hmm much better but now the blue / link looks bad - i think 00:46 < jeru> sepp: ack 00:46 < jeru> mnemoc: I'll change it 00:47 < jeru> mnemoc: better ? 00:47 < sepp> jeru: but without the blue links what do you think? 00:49 < jeru> sepp: we can try other colors too ... I'm not so blue dedicated ;) 00:50 < sepp> maybe also something like 484848 00:50 < jeru> and the folder icons have to replaced too 00:50 < sepp> ahh no 00:51 < sepp> c8c8c8 ? 00:51 < jeru> link ? 00:51 < sepp> for links 00:51 < sepp> yes 00:52 < jeru> uhm ... i think not 00:52 < jeru> rl 00:52 < sepp> lol 00:52 < sepp> nearly unvisible 00:52 < sepp> ffffff ? 00:53 < jeru> nah ... really ? 00:53 < sepp> dont know 00:53 < mnemoc> white?? 00:53 < mnemoc> dark blue? 00:53 < jeru> rl 00:53 < mnemoc> stone blue? 00:53 < jeru> nah no white 00:53 < jeru> mnemoc: what's stone blue ? 00:53 < mnemoc> white looks ugly over gray 00:53 < jeru> :) 00:54 < jeru> mnemoc: stoned and blue ? 00:54 < sepp> yes 00:54 < jeru> :D 00:54 < mnemoc> :\ 00:55 < sepp> 07003b 00:55 < jeru> sepp: mom ... reload before 00:56 < sepp> i think links look good now 00:56 < jeru> rl ... sepp but it's not your color 00:56 -!- ojh [~omer@208-45-98-148.eugn.qwest.net] has left #t2 [] 00:56 < mnemoc> http://www.burma.com/caballeros/18045.htm 00:57 < sepp> jeru: but it is nearly the same 00:57 < mnemoc> i can't find a plain "azul piedra" on google :( 00:57 < jeru> sepp: ack 00:57 < jeru> mnemoc: please rl 00:57 < mnemoc> rl? 00:58 < jeru> reload 00:58 < mnemoc> look good 00:59 < jeru> ok 00:59 < jeru> sepp ... should we try your color too ? 00:59 < sepp> no 00:59 < sepp> looks good now 00:59 < jeru> ok 01:00 < sepp> very eye friendly 01:00 < sepp> i like it 01:00 < jeru> sepp: but not the logo ;) 01:01 < jeru> I will create a trasparent replacement for now ;) 01:01 < sepp> i know !!! 01:01 < mnemoc> http://exactcode.de/rene/ <-- t2 logos 01:03 < jeru> mnemoc: hm ... the color doesn't fit 01:03 < mnemoc> .svg is there 01:03 < mnemoc> change the color but keep the logo 01:05 < jeru> and the menu is ok too ? 01:06 < mnemoc> admin menu (white) is not 01:06 < mnemoc> but readable anyway 01:07 < sepp> have to sleep - n8 * 01:07 < mnemoc> jeru: https://www2.t2-project.org/prefs_error_log_showEntry?id=1114211284.680.977360589603 01:07 < mnemoc> cu sepp, thanks for your colors :) 01:07 < jeru> g8 sepp ... sleep well :) 01:08 < sepp> np 01:08 < jeru> mnemoc: what have you tried to do ? 01:09 < mnemoc> language:en -> language:es on https://www2.t2-project.org/Members/amery/2.1%20branched/view 01:09 < jeru> ahh to test the i18n support 01:11 < jeru> I guess that's a folder with no i18n support 01:11 < jeru> we've to create a test folder for testing i18n 01:12 < mnemoc> what may i18n options do there if it's not a i18n folder? 01:13 < jeru> mnemoc: it was just an assumption 01:13 < mnemoc> :) 01:13 < jeru> mnemoc: will test it 01:13 < jeru> mom 01:33 < jeru> mnemoc: -> https://www2.t2-project.org/Members/chris/i18ntest/layer/en 01:33 < jeru> and switch to es 01:34 < mnemoc> :) 01:35 < jeru> I added i18nlayer 01:35 < jeru> it seems to be sth like a container 01:35 < jeru> there you can choose the content type again 01:36 < CIA-9> jsaw * r8483 /trunk/package/base/pkgconfig/pkgconfig.desc: 01:36 < CIA-9> * update pkgconfig (0.17.1 -> 0.17.2) 01:36 < CIA-9> 0.17.1 has severe performance problems when multiple 01:36 < CIA-9> arguments are given (here even stuck in some packages) 01:51 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.12.196] has joined #t2 01:51 < keinek> hi 01:51 < keinek> hi mnemoc 01:51 < keinek> T2 is ok? :P 01:51 < jeru> hi keinek 01:51 < mnemoc> keinek: of course is ok 01:51 < keinek> now i can build my target? :D 01:52 < keinek> and test if everthing is ok? 01:52 < mnemoc> you may want to swtich to 2.1 branch 01:52 < keinek> what? 01:52 < keinek> what is branch? 01:52 < keinek> food? 01:54 < jeru> keinek: the new stable version of T2 is called "branch" 01:54 < keinek> ohhh 01:54 < keinek> i got there 01:54 < jeru> branch = stable 01:55 < jeru> trunk = development 01:55 < keinek> one svn up is all i need right? 01:55 < jeru> https://www2.t2-project.org/Members/amery/2.1%20branched 01:55 < keinek> ok ok 01:57 < jeru> keinek: better -> https://www2.t2-project.org/news 01:57 < keinek> i am reading now. 01:57 < jeru> what ? 01:58 < keinek> pretty web page. 01:58 < jeru> keinek: thanks ... but its by far not finished 01:59 < keinek> i want cooperate with spanish translate :) 02:00 < mnemoc> keinek: 2.1 is our new stable branch, but still beta, so some package still fail 02:00 < keinek> ok... 02:00 < keinek> o will test my red-handed system :P 02:01 < keinek> if work well i tell you 02:01 < keinek> if fail... i tell you more. 02:01 < keinek> more more more more day and night :D 02:01 < mnemoc> :) 02:05 < keinek> where is the livecd target :( 02:07 < mnemoc> gone until it gets usable 02:07 < keinek> ok 02:22 < keinek> anybody know what is the name of the advance text editor of kde? 02:22 < jeru> kate 02:22 < keinek> i dont know why... kde lost icons... 02:22 < keinek> thanks jeru. 03:51 -!- ojh [~omer@208-45-98-148.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2 04:01 -!- ojh [~omer@208-45-98-148.eugn.qwest.net] has left #t2 [] 04:27 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFB004.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #t2 [] 05:39 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.12.196] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:23 < mnemoc> rxr: Config _use_ PkgQueue!! 06:24 < mnemoc> rxr: i just noticed my ref build has been 5 hours looping on Config due to PkgQueue deprecation 06:25 < mnemoc> rxr: not Config, Build 06:26 < mnemoc> rxr: i'll go to sleep 06:41 < CIA-9> amery * r8484 /branches/2.1/scripts/Create-PkgQueue: * de-deprecated Create-PkgQueue because it _is_ used on BuildTarget:196 if SDECFG_PARALLEL != 1. 07:13 < mnemoc> rxr: new Emerge looks quite well :D 07:26 -!- maddin [~martin@pD9E73BF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 07:26 < maddin> rxr: http://nexus.tfh-berlin.de/awstats/awstats.pl?framename=mainright&output=errors404 07:27 < maddin> rxr: You can update some old links to drock ... 5737 faulty links only in april 07:28 < mnemoc> oh 07:29 < maddin> moin btw 07:30 < mnemoc> moin maddin :) 07:30 < mnemoc> gn8 maddin, * 07:31 < maddin> gn8 mnemoc? ;-) 07:39 < CIA-9> amery * r8485 /branches/2.1/package/base/pkgconfig/pkgconfig.desc: * merged 8483 - updated pkgconfig (0.17.1 -> 0.17.2) 07:46 -!- maddin [~martin@pD9E73BF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #t2 ["Leaving"] 08:48 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.25] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:09 < CIA-9> rene * r8486 /trunk/scripts/Create-PkgQueue: 09:09 < CIA-9> * removed deprecation message from Create-PkgQueue and commented out 09:09 < CIA-9> some dep_db.txt lines ... 09:10 < valentin> moin 09:10 < rxr> oh, hi valentin 09:10 < valentin> rxr: awake ? 09:10 < valentin> can i call you ? 09:10 < rxr> sure 09:37 * rxr breakfast 10:23 < rxr> re 10:24 < CIA-9> rene * r8487 /branches/2.1/scripts/Create-PkgQueue: * merged r8486 from trunk: disabled dep_db.txt read in 10:25 < CIA-9> rene * r8488 /trunk/scripts/Create-PkgQueue: * removed depdb variable definition from Cretae-PkgQueue, too 10:31 < CIA-9> valentin * r8489 /trunk/package/games/supertux/ (. supertux.desc): * added package supertux (v0.1.2) 10:32 < rxr> valentin: and, what was the build problem? 10:32 < valentin> i just turned ccache of 10:32 < valentin> the problem is: 10:33 < valentin> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 Apr 21 12:22 build/ccache-powerpc -> ../loop/build/ccache-powerpc 10:33 < valentin> that dir does not exist 10:36 < valentin> moment 10:37 < rxr> ok - rm that symlink and use HEAD 10:37 < rxr> it is fixed there 10:39 < valentin> i use head 10:39 < valentin> ok, i rm'ed it 10:39 < valentin> and try again 10:39 < rxr> yes - but an previous version created that dead symlink 10:39 < rxr> HEAD should not create such fluff anymore ... 10:42 < valentin> the default ccache size is still 2500M - but now per package ?? 10:43 < rxr> yes 10:43 < rxr> ... 10:44 < rxr> i'll impleemnt flushing unused cache content soon 10:45 < rxr> 892M build/ccache-x86/ooo/ 10:48 < CIA-9> rene * r8490 /trunk/package/develop/ccache/ (config-200.hlp config-200.in): * set the default ccache size to 1GB and updated the help text 10:52 < CIA-9> rene * r8491 /branches/2.1/package/develop/ccache/ (config-200.hlp config-200.in): * merged r8490 from trunk: ccache default size and help text update 10:57 < CIA-9> susan * r8492 /trunk/package/gnome2/ (54 files in 53 dirs): (log message trimmed) 10:57 < CIA-9> * updated nautilus-cd-burner (2.10.0 -> 2.10.1) 10:57 < CIA-9> * updated evolution (2.2.1.1 -> 2.2.2) 10:57 < CIA-9> * updated gnome-python-extras (2.10.0 -> 2.10.1) 10:57 < CIA-9> * updated control-center (2.10.0 -> 2.10.1) 10:57 < CIA-9> * updated libgtop (2.10.0 -> 2.10.1) 10:57 < CIA-9> * updated gal (2.4.1 -> 2.4.2) 11:21 -!- _jeru [~jeru@p54BFDB9D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 11:21 -!- _jeru is now known as jeru 11:21 < rxr> moin jeru 11:21 < jeru> Hi rxr :) 11:23 < valentin> how can i find executables using fine 11:23 < valentin> find* ? 11:23 < rxr> -type ? 11:23 < rxr> or -perm ? 11:23 < valentin> type has no flag 11:23 < valentin> perm should work 11:24 < rxr> -perm -o=x 11:24 < rxr> -perm -u=x 11:24 < rxr> or whatever? 11:26 < valentin> yep 11:29 < jeru> moin valentin :) 11:30 < rxr> ok - I watch the last nights enterprise episode - and then I'm back to hotplug++ 11:35 < rxr> cool 11:35 < rxr> the latest episode starts with humans murdering the first vulcans arrving at earth 11:35 < rxr> and the theme changed 11:35 < rxr> from the science humanity to a war nations theme ... 11:35 < rxr> with bombing and such ... interesting ... 11:58 -!- maddin [~martin@pD9E73BF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 11:58 < maddin> re 11:58 < jeru> hi maddin 12:30 < CIA-9> rene * r8493 /trunk/package/gnome2/totem/totem.desc: * fixed totem download 13:56 -!- mtr_ [~michael@Hae6e.h.pppool.de] has joined #t2 14:05 -!- mtr [~michael@H9a20.h.pppool.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:20 < CIA-9> rene * r8494 /trunk/package/gnome2/sound-juicer/sound-juicer.desc: 14:20 < CIA-9> * migrated the sound-juicer URL to the gome mirror - original site is 14:20 < CIA-9> not available (right now) 16:23 -!- maddin_ [~martin@pD9E73596.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 16:32 -!- maddin [~martin@pD9E73BF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:39 -!- rxr_ [~rene@e178189124.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 16:39 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta4 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 16:39 -!- Topic set by menomc [] [Sat Apr 16 00:33:34 2005] 16:39 [Users #t2] 16:39 [ _Ragnar__] [ jeru ] [ maddin_] [ mtr_] [ rxr ] [ sepp ] 16:39 [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw_] [ mnemoc ] [ nzg ] [ rxr_] [ valentin] 16:39 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 12 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal] 16:39 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 16:39 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 11 secs 16:40 < mnemoc> why everytime i get a new IP it is klined on freenode??! 16:41 < rxr_> hi 16:41 < mnemoc> hi rxr_ 16:41 < rxr_> klined what ? 16:41 -!- rxr [~rene@e178148195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:41 -!- You're now known as rxr 16:42 < mnemoc> ircops ban some IPs out of the servers using kline command 16:47 < mnemoc> jeru: skas linux extension is not stage-1 safe :( 16:48 < mnemoc> rxr: i wonder how many linux extensions are not stage-1 safe 16:54 < mnemoc> rxr: how do build kernel modules only? 16:54 < jeru> mnemoc: oh! 16:55 < jeru> mnemoc: what other patche do you have applied ? 16:55 < mnemoc> jeru: it's the lack of $root 16:56 < mnemoc> uhm... it's not skas 16:56 < mnemoc> it is dfb-linux-fusion sorry 16:56 < mnemoc> i got confused due to skas on extraversion 16:57 < rxr> they all built ehre ... 16:58 < mnemoc> dfb-linux-fusion also? 16:58 < mnemoc> make -C /lib/modules/2.6.11.7-skas3-dist/build \ 16:58 < mnemoc> CPPFLAGS="-D__KERNEL__ -I`pwd`/linux/include -I/lib/modules/2.6.11.7-skas3-dist/build/include" \ SUBDIRS=`pwd`/linux/drivers/char/fusion modules 16:58 < mnemoc> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.11.7-skas3-dist/build: No such file or directory. Stop. 16:58 < mnemoc> make: *** [all] Error 2 17:00 < rxr> hm - didn't si fix that ... :-( 17:00 < rxr> or maybe it was not in my build list 17:00 < mnemoc> did you commit? 17:00 < rxr> my safe content is flushed into SVN ... 17:01 < mnemoc> ... 17:03 < rxr> mnemoc: grep SDEDEBUG_ package/base/linux24/linux24.conf ... 17:03 < rxr> SUBMODULES_ONLY or so ... 17:04 < mnemoc> export before Build-Target? 17:04 -!- FeR [~FeR@cable200-116-193-23.epm.net.co] has joined #t2 17:04 < mnemoc> oh, a colombian 17:05 < FeR> Hola como estan 17:05 < mnemoc> FeR: english here please 17:05 < FeR> alguioen habla espanol de casualidad 17:06 < mnemoc> yes i do, but you have to talk english here 17:06 < FeR> ok 17:08 < mnemoc> FeR: que necesitas? 17:08 < mnemoc> FeR: ok, on query 17:28 -!- FeR [~FeR@cable200-116-193-23.epm.net.co] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:30 < mnemoc> the guy was offering his designer to do a logo and banner and wanted to know what do we want to "tell" with our logo 17:32 < valentin> why ? 17:32 < valentin> he wants money for that ? 17:32 < mnemoc> to do one 17:32 < mnemoc> no, it sounds like a 'contribution' 17:33 < valentin> but he will have to pay the designer 17:33 < mnemoc> but i guess to be able to say he kind of 'sponsor' OSS proojects 17:33 < valentin> hm 17:33 < valentin> let's hope he is true... 17:34 < valentin> how is he related to t2 ? 17:34 < mnemoc> their company seems to sell linux solutions and he want to start using T2 17:35 < mnemoc> he offered translations also 17:35 < rxr> 14614 Apr 23 17:27 ./string1 17:35 < valentin> as long as his contributions have the correct license, this would be nice 17:36 < rxr> oh 17:36 < rxr> this was not stripped, this is: 17:36 < rxr> 5760 Apr 23 17:37 ./string1 17:36 < valentin> we have to take care that we have full rights to use the logo 17:36 < mnemoc> sure 17:36 < valentin> not that we will be sued some day :/ 17:37 < rxr> http://josuttis.com/libbook/string/string1.cpp.html 17:37 < rxr> with my tinySTL ,-) 17:37 < mnemoc> before, we need to know what do we want to "tell" with a designed logo 17:37 < mnemoc> rxr: dfb-fusion only patches install, not build 17:38 < rxr> well logo: that t2 is a stable and flexible base for customized systems 17:38 < rxr> from tiny to high performance 17:40 < mnemoc> i'll go to shower... notebook is been ate by Emerge ooo 17:40 < rxr> now I implement basic iostream and then I can overhaul hotplug++ 17:40 < rxr> mnemoc: ,-) 17:40 < rxr> I need to toast my iBook with that also 17:40 < mnemoc> i'll read when get back 17:40 < rxr> but first I need to get that much disk space free 17:40 < rxr> maybe I even have to build over NFS ... 17:40 < mnemoc> oh 17:40 < mnemoc> is 2.7G enough? 17:41 < rxr> mnemoc: could be 17:41 < rxr> without ccache of cours 17:41 < mnemoc> i'll move downloads way that partition 17:41 < mnemoc> away* 17:42 < mnemoc> that can give me 500M 17:42 < mnemoc> app.c:20:25: libxml/tree.h: No such file or directory 17:43 < mnemoc> failed :( 17:43 < mnemoc> shower anyway..... 17:44 < mnemoc> continue with logo 'concepts' :) 17:44 < valentin> rxr said it all :) 17:44 < mnemoc> colors? references? 17:44 < valentin> we could sum up some buzzwords about t2, but i do not know how to make a good logo 17:45 < mnemoc> sepp is working on a 3D pet 17:45 < valentin> with three heads - i would not call this 'pet' *g* 17:45 < mnemoc> hehe 17:47 < valentin> "gulliver" is a stupid name, if it sounded better it would be a good synonyme for t2 17:51 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.12.196] has joined #t2 17:51 < keinek> hi 17:52 < valentin> hi keinek 17:52 < keinek> i have problems with the stable t2. 17:53 < keinek> when i do Build-Target 17:53 < keinek> dont pass 17:53 < keinek> -> Creating tools.cross/lib/pkg_*_{pre,post}.conf 17:53 < keinek> that line. 17:53 < keinek> freeze there 17:53 < valentin> freeze or abort ? 17:54 < keinek> nothing happen 17:54 < keinek> still there 17:54 < keinek> if abort and ejecute again... dont show anything. 17:57 < valentin> mnemoc: will xtrace work at that point of execution ? 18:01 < rxr> keinek: svn up 18:01 < rxr> keinek: I troduced this freeze bug yesterday 18:01 < keinek> ok 18:02 < keinek> now is svn up 18:02 < keinek> ;) 18:02 < rxr> keinek: you svn switch'ed to branches/2.1 ? 18:02 < keinek> yes 18:03 -!- sepp_ [~sepp@p213.54.204.15.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 18:03 < keinek> now work fine 18:03 < keinek> thanks rxr 18:05 < rxr> build startig this lunch - it is already at 5-xorg - thanks to ccache ... 18:07 < mnemoc> rxr: i can only fix dfb-fusion in 3-4 hours... feel free to do it if you have time before that :) 18:08 < rxr> not likely 18:08 < rxr> I want hotplug++ as soon as possible and my new udev, modular live-cd booting tomorrow night6 18:08 < mnemoc> ok 18:08 < rxr> otherwise we'll get in trouble with the schedule for the live-cd 18:09 < mnemoc> rxr: a user reported /etc/profile and /etc/dircolors as 700 on beta4.... i may take a long to to reach that point 18:09 < rxr> and I have still some tinySTL uSTL or however I'll name it STL implementation to do before I'll have a modern written hotplug++ that is STL C++ and tiny, too 18:09 < mnemoc> rxr: don't worry :) 18:09 < rxr> mnemoc: what user? where? 18:10 < mnemoc> Psomething, here on IRC 18:14 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3012 Apr 23 14:43 etc/profile 18:14 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2973 Apr 23 14:43 etc/dircolors 18:15 < mnemoc> good 18:15 < rxr> maybe some umask security frickling on his box 18:15 < mnemoc> is that your last build? 18:15 < rxr> yep 18:15 < rxr> # ./scripts/Create-ErrList 18:15 < rxr> Error logs from default-2.2.0-alpha-x86-pentium-mmx-desktop: 18:15 < rxr> 660 builds total, 199 completed fine, 0 with errors. 18:20 < jeru> rxr: :) 18:21 < jeru> rxr: btw, have you seen our eye friendly T2 "mouse" skin ? ;) 18:21 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.224.205.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:24 < rxr> string1.cpp:58: warning: the address of `std::ostream& std::endl(std::ostream&)', will always evaluate as `true' 18:24 < rxr> jeru: mouse where what? 18:24 < rxr> in plone ? 18:24 < jeru> yep ... 18:24 < jeru> but I think you'll hat it 18:24 < jeru> ;) 18:26 < jeru> sepp: how can we improve the color scheme to not be so boring but eye friendly ? 18:27 < rxr> eye friendly? 18:27 < rxr> it has far too less contrast to be eye friendly ,-) 18:27 < rxr> I would indeed like s.th. more stylish for PR reasons ... 18:28 < jeru> rxr: what is your proposal ? 18:28 < rxr> but it is your playground 18:28 < jeru> hehe :) 18:28 < rxr> I like the mozillla theme ... 18:28 < rxr> I let you play with it first ... 18:28 < jeru> rxr: ok :) 18:28 < rxr> jeru: can you enable http:// soon, too? 18:29 < jeru> yep ... 18:31 < jeru> rxr: there is also a customizable bug tracker available at https://www2.t2-project.org/support/tracker/ ... any custumization requests are welcomed too ;) 18:34 < rxr> valentin: what was global space in C++ ? 18:34 < rxr> ::write 18:34 < rxr> ? 18:35 < sepp_> jeru: i dont know which things you can change with plone theme, or whatever the name was 18:37 < sepp_> is it boring because it is mouse grey? 18:37 < jeru> sepp_: I think it's too grey 18:37 < rxr> don 18:37 < rxr> don't focus on design 18:38 < rxr> if it is function and works out for all of us we can tweak the look as we want later on ... 18:38 < CIA-9> amery * r8495 /branches/2.1/package/contrib/dfb-linux-fusion/postlinux.conf: * fixed dfb-linux-fusion to extend linux26 properly on stage 1 18:39 < jeru> rxr: what are the most needed functionalities in your point of view ? 18:40 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.12.196] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:40 < rxr> jeru: well in drupal I had problems defining the site navigation 18:41 < rxr> if plone is configured in a way to let us contruct good documention about T2 including good navigation most is fin 18:41 < rxr> plus a way to insert uploaded pictures nicely 18:41 < rxr> then an issue and project tracker would be nice 18:41 < sepp_> jeru: maybe you want to use colours like on http://dict.leo.org/ 18:42 < rxr> that would be whta I see as most important to get running ... 18:42 < jeru> rxr: what do you mean with good navigation ? 18:43 < jeru> sepp: will try some things via CSS ... but thx for the link ;) 18:51 < sepp_> jeru: if you want to see a nice dark site check http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/dvds/dyn13.html for example 18:51 < valentin> rxr: global space ? why do you need that ? 18:51 < jeru> sepp_: click 18:52 < rxr> valentin: to call C read from within a read member function 18:52 < rxr> the above worked ... 18:52 < valentin> ok 18:52 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.9.39] has joined #t2 18:54 < jeru> sepp_: the colors are nice 18:55 < rxr> -rwxr-xr-x 1 rene users 6216 Apr 23 18:57 string1 18:56 < rxr> ^- with very basic ostream for basic cout << ,-) 19:12 < rxr> hm - interesting debugging my tinySTL linked with dietlibc works pretty well 19:12 < rxr> not the annoying problems I remeber with the GCC STL and glibc ... 19:13 < rxr> hey! - now my tinySTL mostly works! 19:17 < rxr> ah - all implemented stuff works 19:17 < rxr> forgot that I have not yet implemented string::replace* as well as ostream::operator<<(const char*) ... ,-) 19:21 < rxr> make: *** [spamc/Makefile] Segmentation fault (core dumped) 19:21 < rxr> hm - maybe this is not ccache but some more generic problem at all 19:21 < rxr> I think I already saw this some time ago ... 19:53 < mnemoc> re 19:55 < mnemoc> rxr: what do you think about using www2's bugtracker? 19:56 < mnemoc> rxr: i have 4 modules installing outside $xroot here 19:57 < rxr> mnemoc: I need to take a look later 19:57 < mnemoc> i'll fix them, but i was wondering about the bugtracker and notifications 19:57 < rxr> mnemoc: reg. kernel modules, maybe I only have tested those included in the desktop subset - sorry 19:58 < mnemoc> * fixed bug #1689, slmodem installing modules outside $xroott <-- and commit messages accordingly 20:07 < mnemoc> jeru, sepp_: i like current colors, are very friendly 20:08 < jeru> mnemoc: :) 20:08 < jeru> mnemoc: but it's still in change ;) 20:09 < valentin> don't get our project site on the dark side - i would prefer light colors, too 20:09 < mnemoc> jeru: about tracker, i would prefer three diferent trackers, one for 2.1, one for 2.2 and one for website 20:11 < mnemoc> jeru: http://wiki.t2-project.org/ <-- take this logo 20:11 < mnemoc> and we chanhe color later 20:11 < mnemoc> but we need a logo 20:11 < valentin> mnemoc: are you sure about the trackers ? 20:12 < valentin> i remember the flystray times in rock, where nobody took a look even at the single tracker 20:12 < mnemoc> valentin: it's up to us 20:12 < mnemoc> valentin: it the tracker is properly integrated with our list and the portal i see no problem to use it 20:13 < jeru> mnemoc: hmmm ... regarding the tracke I'm not quite sure about too 20:13 < mnemoc> jeru: your tracker is ugly 20:13 < mnemoc> but a tracker force us to fix the problems, and help us to not forget them 20:13 < jeru> mnemoc: don't tell me that's ugly ... tell me what's ugly ! 20:14 < jeru> :) 20:14 < mnemoc> fonts are bigger than the rest of the iste 20:14 < jeru> mnemoc: ack ... a tracke is a fine thing 20:15 < rxr> we want bug tracker 20:15 < mnemoc> and search is too big 20:15 < mnemoc> i want mail notifications of the bug tracker :) 20:15 < jeru> mnemoc: it has ... 20:15 < mnemoc> i have to go 20:15 < jeru> mnemoc: cu 20:15 < mnemoc> t2@ or t2-bugs@ ? :-) 20:16 < mnemoc> i vot for t2 20:16 < mnemoc> cu 20:16 < rxr> cu 20:17 < valentin> cu mnemoc 20:35 < CIA-9> valentin * r8496 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/rocknet_dns.sh: * shortened the length and improved the readability of the public_domainname hack in rocknet by using single invocation of sed -i instead of longer constructs. 20:37 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.201.60.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 20:53 -!- sepp_ [~sepp@p213.54.204.15.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:02 < rxr> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 21:02 < rxr> ok - string1.cpp finally working (mostly) 21:03 < rxr> damn was getting std::endl compiled and output'ed correctly a damn work ... 21:04 < rxr> 7280 Apr 23 21:05 string1 21:05 < rxr> well - ok the dynamic version of string1 with the full libstdc++ is not much huger 21:05 < rxr> however mine is static w/ dietlibc ... 21:05 < rxr> 7576 Apr 23 21:06 string1-orig 21:06 < rxr> 844984 Apr 23 21:07 string1-orig-static 21:06 < rxr> *grrr* 21:06 < rxr> that beast of course includes big parts of glibc and libstdc++ ... 21:19 -!- jascha [~jascha@adsl-69-209-203-219.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #t2 21:20 < rxr> $ ./string1 test.bmp foo.tmp 123456.abcdef test.a 21:20 < rxr> test.bmp => test.tmp 21:20 < rxr> foo.tmp => foo.xxx 21:20 < rxr> 123456.abcdef => 123456.tmp 21:20 < rxr> test.a => test.tmp 21:20 < rxr> ok - tinySTL now fully handles string1.cpp ,-) 21:21 < rxr> hehe - but for string2.cpp I already miss too much ... 21:21 < rxr> anyway - /me not starting real world code with it ... the rest will be done on-the-fly ... 21:21 < rxr> hi jascha 21:22 < mnemoc> rehi 21:22 < rxr> hi mnemoc 21:23 < mnemoc> hi rxr 21:28 < jeru> oh ... hi mnemoc 21:30 < mnemoc> hi jeru 21:33 < mnemoc> jeru: IDs have to me unique on location or unique on the whole instance? 21:35 < jeru> location 21:37 < maddin_> gn8 21:37 < jeru> good night maddin_ 21:38 -!- maddin_ [~martin@pD9E73596.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["und wech ..."] 21:41 < jeru> mnemoc: now I know what you've done ;) 21:42 < mnemoc> me? 21:42 < mnemoc> what? 21:42 < jeru> mnemoc: why do you want to split the tracker ? 21:43 < mnemoc> for fun :) 21:43 < jeru> he ? :) 21:43 < mnemoc> hehe 21:44 < jeru> please tell me what's your final intention ? 21:44 < mnemoc> to have a bug tracker for 2.1 21:44 < valentin> mnemoc wants to care about devel bugs only 21:44 * valentin hungry 21:45 < valentin> be back later 21:45 < jeru> cu 21:46 < mnemoc> i don't like the idea of mixing unrelated issues on the same tracker 21:48 < jeru> ok ... lets see ... can you then delete the other one please ;) 21:48 < mnemoc> nah 21:48 < mnemoc> rename it ;) 21:48 < mnemoc> we have an unsolved issue there 21:48 < mnemoc> http://www.issuetrackerproduct.com/ ? 21:49 < jeru> nah 21:49 < mnemoc> :) 21:49 < jascha> do you guys realize your site is only accessable via www.t2. . . ? 21:49 < jeru> oh! hi jascha :) 21:49 < jascha> hi 21:49 < jascha> ;) 21:50 < jeru> jascha: we're actually working on a new one ;) 21:50 < jeru> it's located on a different server 21:50 < jascha> oh 21:51 < mnemoc> jascha: what do you mean by "only accessable via www.t2-project.org"? 21:51 < jascha> http://t2-project.org 21:51 < rxr> jascha: yes, this is known - and we do not care too much 21:51 < rxr> however I could trivially change this ... 21:51 < jascha> well i figured since it is trivial. . . 21:52 < mnemoc> why is that a need? 21:52 < rxr> jascha: try again 21:53 < jascha> yes 21:53 < rxr> yes as in "works now"? 21:53 < jascha> i only mention it since a lot of people just type the URI in, if they get an error they go elsewhere 21:54 < jascha> since a simple dns entry fixes it, it seems trivial enough to need ;) 21:54 < jascha> yes it works 21:54 < rxr> (not DNS, but virtual server config, but ACK, few lines change ...)= 21:54 < jascha> well there is DNS aliasing 21:54 < jascha> so either way 21:55 < jeru> so jascha how abour your LiveCD ? 21:55 < jeru> are you prepared ? 21:55 < jascha> we are working on a new version now 21:55 < jeru> :) 21:56 < jascha> i was looking to play with t2 like we talked about 21:56 < jeru> :) 21:56 < jascha> to see if it would make updating the things easier 21:56 < jascha> since i want to be able to update the iso monthly now 21:56 < jascha> to keep up with newest versions of everything 21:57 < rxr> jascha: which project are you from ? 21:57 < jeru> well, your package on the last LAS release are a bit outdated 21:57 < jascha> http://localareasecurity.com and http://prelude-ids.org 21:57 < rxr> ah ,-) 21:57 < jascha> yes jeru, very dated ;) 21:57 < jeru> rxr: ;) 21:58 < jascha> i had been sick for a while and was starting a company so it fell by the wayside 21:58 < rxr> jascha: just getting your next up-to-date LiveCD built with T2 is just a matter of running Build-Target again ... 21:58 < rxr> jascha: I'm just working to rework our "a bit rough" livecd target to s.th. more mature 21:58 < rxr> it will be functional next week 21:58 < jascha> well there is also other functionality and scripts i am working to encorporate 22:00 < jascha> the other issue is shoe horning all i want in to the size restriction 22:00 < jascha> seems everything is getting bloated now 22:00 < jascha> even security tools ;) 22:00 < jascha> the "M$ effect" 22:01 < jeru> jascha: bad programmers ;) 22:01 < jascha> yeah that and the everything including the kitchen sink mentality 22:01 < rxr> .oO(In T2 I just removed a lot of outdated crap over the last days ,-) 22:02 < jeru> jascha: what's you current size limit for the CD ? 22:02 < jascha> 180mb and 210mb 22:03 < jascha> mainly since it is an old tradition 22:03 < jeru> but this should work if I take look at your current package selection 22:03 < jascha> well there are a lot of things we compile from source 22:03 < jascha> apt-get only did a small portion 22:03 < jeru> rxr: will the LiveCD compile on branch ? 22:03 < mnemoc> you can skip gcc and friends on ISO creation 22:04 < jeru> mnemoc: foxy foxy ;) 22:04 < jascha> i am working to test it out with t2 now 22:04 < jeru> jascha: good choice ;) 22:04 < jascha> i'll let you know how it goes 22:05 < jascha> and bug you if i have questions :) 22:05 < jeru> jascha: you're welcome 22:05 < jascha> i'll bbl gotta move a bunch of stuff around 22:05 < jeru> jascha: nice firefox plugins you're hosting on your site ;) 22:05 < jascha> oh thanks 22:06 < jascha> the snort does not work at the momment 22:06 < jascha> they have redone their site 22:06 < jascha> so i have to update it once i see what they changed 22:06 < jeru> oh! 22:07 < jascha> but as long as you have it installed it will update itself every three days 22:07 < rxr> jascha: the livecd will be 2.2 only ... 22:07 < jeru> jascha: btw, snort gets automatically patched if yu've enabled libprelude ;) 22:07 < jascha> cool 22:08 < jeru> :) 22:08 < mnemoc> jeru: did you fix the problem with aclocal? 22:08 < jeru> mnemoc: on the last target build it worked 22:09 < mnemoc> weird 22:09 < jeru> ack 22:12 < jeru> jascha: btw, who has designed your dog logo ? 22:12 < rxr> cu 22:13 < jascha> i knew a guy that did it for me 22:13 < jascha> trying to remember his website 22:13 < jascha> although i would not recommend him to anyone, he was a pain in the ass about the "copyright" of the image 22:13 < jeru> atm we're looking for a nice logo too 22:25 < jeru> mnemoc: don't you want to enable plone integration of your 2.1 tracker ? 22:26 < mnemoc> what did i do wrong? 22:26 < jeru> mnemoc: forget about the last.... 22:26 < jeru> :) 22:26 < jeru> nothing 22:27 < jeru> I enabled plone integration ... and thats why it looks so ugly ;) 22:29 < mnemoc> the menu on the left? 22:31 < jeru> yep ... default it overides plone settings 22:32 < jeru> mnemoc: but I think that's ok for the tracker 22:34 < jeru> mnemoc: but the tracker menu doesn't work properly if we overide plone settings 22:53 < valentin> jeru: url ? 22:54 < jeru> works now 22:54 < jeru> ah wrong urll 22:55 < valentin> hm ? 22:55 < valentin> no - i just wanted to know if i can see your plone experiment somewhere 22:55 < jeru> ahhh ... 22:55 < jeru> thought it was mnemoc ;) 22:56 < jeru> sorry 22:56 < jeru> valentin: https://www2.t2-project.org 22:56 < valentin> nice 22:57 < jeru> valentin: any ideas welcomed ;) 22:57 < valentin> some logo would be nice :p 22:58 < valentin> and the folders in the menu look like M$ windingsda 22:59 < valentin> all the icons are a bit small and old-school 22:59 < valentin> but i do not mind too much 23:00 < jeru> valentin: no problem ... go on ... :) 23:00 < valentin> i guess one can easily tweak such details 23:00 < jeru> valentin: please see https://www2.t2-project.org/support/trackweb/ to file your issues ;) 23:00 < valentin> the question more important to me is, how easy can one edit content ? 23:01 < jeru> do you wanna have access ? ;) 23:01 < valentin> you need my password ? 23:01 < jeru> nope 23:01 < valentin> i just wanted to take a short look 23:01 < jeru> I'll create a user and will change your pw afterwards 23:01 < jeru> ok ... 23:41 < jeru> http://www.contentmanagementsoftware.info/plone/PloneHelpCenter ? 23:43 < mnemoc> logo! 23:44 < mnemoc> take the one from wiki and inject it on www2 23:44 < jeru> I'll package it 23:44 < jeru> arrrrggg it's an ugly logo 23:45 < valentin> jeru: pssssst (rxr made it) 23:45 * jeru hides 23:45 < valentin> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX <- a big wall to hide ... 23:45 < jeru> ok I'll retract ugly :p 23:46 < valentin> i guess rxr will forgive you once you come up with a better logo :) 23:46 < jeru> ohhhhh ! 23:47 < mnemoc> that's the logo we have.... use it 23:47 < mnemoc> until we get a better one 23:47 < jeru> mnemoc: ok ok ok ok! 23:48 < jeru> .oO(damn collegues) 23:48 < mnemoc> :) 23:49 -!- ojh [~omer@71-34-249-243.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2 23:56 < mnemoc> hi ojh 23:57 < ojh> mnemoc: Hi. :) 23:57 < mnemoc> jeru: where do i set the values that people can choose? 23:57 < jeru> tracker ? 23:57 < jeru> https://www2.t2-project.org/support/track21/pcng_configuration 23:57 < jeru> Schema Editor 23:59 < mnemoc> aha.... i can click on the names :p --- Log closed Sun Apr 24 00:00:31 2005