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00:18 < jeru> hi ojh ... rxr has packaged lua for t2 ;)
00:19 < ojh> jeru: Cool. I need to get to work on the Tango prototype then . . .
00:20 < jeru> yeah ... go ahead :)
00:21 < ojh> BTW: has any one has success with the Zero Install patch set? (yes I know that they produced errors building on my system - but I think that had something about a broken module error every time ldconfig is run)
00:22 < jeru> sorry I don't know
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01:15 < keinek> hi
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01:43 * mubex test irssi :D
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01:59 < sparc-kly> hi all
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02:55 < sparc-kly> sparc t2-trunk # ./scripts/Config -cfg system
02:55 < sparc-kly> Creating rockdialog tool.
02:55 < sparc-kly> gcc misc/rockdialog/*.c -Imisc/rockdialog -lncurses -o src/rockdialog.bin
02:55 < sparc-kly> Creating configuration script.
02:55 < sparc-kly> T2 2.1.0-rc2 configuration ...
02:55 < sparc-kly> Building src/config_helper.so.
02:55 < sparc-kly> ./scripts/Config: line 118: 16235 Segmentation fault "$0" -cfg $config $oldconfig $profile $nobashmod -cycle
02:55 < sparc-kly> sparc t2-trunk #
02:58 < sparc-kly> wtf ?
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03:49 < mnemoc_> rehi
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05:55 < mnemoc_> rxr: transset checkout is too small to your size validation on Download script
05:57 < mnemoc_> rxr: and the lock is keeped after the abort, on a wrong directory, what makes the following downloads to fail
06:05 < valentin> short moin
06:05 < valentin> hi mnemoc_
06:05 < mnemoc_> hi valentin
06:05 < mnemoc_> rxr: did you found the problem with unionfs?
06:05 < valentin> *yawn*
06:06 < valentin> i guess rxr is asleep
06:06 < valentin> it is 06:06 here
06:06 < mnemoc_> i know... i'm just adding stuff to his away log :)
06:06 < valentin> :)
06:06 < mnemoc_> i'll go to sleep son
06:06 < mnemoc_> soon
06:08 < valentin> so early ?
06:10 < mnemoc_> yep
06:10 < mnemoc_> o maybe around 1am.... but not after that
06:16 < valentin> have to leave now - traveling to the other hand of germany
06:16 < valentin> cu
06:17 < mnemoc_> cu valentin
06:17 < mnemoc_> rxr!! 0-glibc is failing due to CPP_WRAPPER
06:18 < mnemoc_> rxr: configure:3360: error: C preprocessor "i686-t2-linux-gnu-cpp" fails sanity check
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06:43 < c4y0> hi
06:46 < mnemoc_> hi c4y0
06:47 < c4y0> =)
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08:39 < rxr> mnemoc_: hm - never had this ... yet - is the CPP_WRAPPER new ?
08:40 < rxr> mnemoc_: I know the transset problem - we can not fix this - my plan was to push the file to the mirror manually ...
09:01 < rxr> mnemoc_: regarding unionfs I did not found the real problem - however you cross compiler got defect - not looking into build/.../ for heards - I saw this before - this seems to happen sometimes when the build already was in the chroot
09:01 < rxr> mnemoc_: I assumed any package will fail and unionfs just build in your next fresh bzuild
09:07 < minto_> moin
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09:21 < rxr> hi minto_ and mnemoc_
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11:20 < jeru> moin
11:21 < minto_> Hi jeru
11:21 < jeru> hi minto_ :)
11:21 < minto_> jeru lives in berlin ?
11:22 < jeru> minto_: yep
11:22 < jeru> why ?
11:22 < minto_> Seems most T2 people are from Berlin.
11:22 < jeru> hmmm ... not the most ... but a few ;)
11:23 < jeru> I know 3 (including me)
11:23 < minto_> How about susan?
11:23 < jeru> minto_: ahhh 4
11:23 < minto_> :-)
11:23 < jeru> mea culpa
11:24 < minto_> You guys (and girl) need some competition. Let's see If I can find some more here in Amsterdam.
11:24 < jeru> hehe :)
11:25 < minto_> Berlin vs Amsterdam :-)
11:25 < jeru> minto_: the old fight germany vs. oranje ? ;)
11:25 < minto_> Yeahhh :-D
11:26 < jeru> minto_: but we're not playing soccer ,)
11:26 < minto_> All of germany, than i am definetly outnumbered.
11:26 < minto_> Some people forget it is all a game.
11:26 < jeru> minto_: you remember our disussion about money ?
11:27 < minto_> Yepp
11:27 < minto_> You have to much of it?
11:27 < jeru> that's one problem of the "game"
11:27 < minto_> I'll give you my bank account.
11:27 < minto_> :-)
11:28 < jeru> ok give it to me, let's see how much is on it ;)
11:28 < minto_> Most people forget that you can win by losing.
11:28 < jeru> minto_: btw, does jabberd works well ?
11:29 < minto_> It compiles
11:29 < minto_> Running is left for later. I need some additional stuff.
11:29 < jeru> minto_: ok ... that was the first hurdle
11:30 < minto_> I think the init is not properly set up. It does not yet start in the jabber account.
11:30 < minto_> Next on my list is some java stuff and GForge.
11:31 < minto_> When I have done GForge I want to create a target for setting up a system with GForge, Jabberd, Subversion and Mailman. It should become a full collaboration system.
11:33 < jeru> minto_: sounds nice
11:34 < minto_> I propably need some help though.
11:34 < minto_> It will be my first target and I am not that profound setting up linux.
11:34 < jeru> minto_: I think you'll get some here ... :)
11:34 < minto_> :-) I was hoping so.
11:36 < minto_> Could I get your CF-IDE thing, even if it is not yet cleaned up?
11:38 < jeru> minto_: I'll migrate to the embedded target from rxr. You better use the embedded as base if you want to do sth with a CF.
11:38 < minto_> I will have a look there.
11:39 < jeru> minto_: it's allmost the same but the embedded stuff is a lot nicer and more readable than my dirty scripts ;D
11:39 < jeru> but same functionality
11:40 < jeru> and placing the image the embedded target creates is no problem
11:41 < jeru> but you've to consider that a CF has sth. like a live cycle of 100.000 write operations I think
11:42 < minto_> I now, I intend to use it mostly read-only.
11:42 < minto_> I want to use it to speed up booting.
11:43 < jeru> minto_: the best is to use it just read-only and doing write operations on a ramdisk or on a HDD
11:43 < minto_> And to make upgrading a system a snap, just replace the CF.
11:43 < jeru> hehe :)
11:47 < jeru> minto_: using minit should also reduce the boot time
11:47 < minto_> jeru: I will keep it in mind.
11:47 < jeru> minto_: but anyway embedded uses minit
11:48 < minto_> My embedded system will be a normal computer then :-)
11:48 < jeru> minto_: I think my bridging firewall test beast boots up in approx. 10-15sec
11:49 < minto_> That long. ;-)
11:49 < jeru> minto_: ok I'll improve it for you ;)
11:50 < minto_> Just kidding
11:51 < minto_> jeru: Another project I'd like to do is create a little easy backup fileserver.
11:51 < minto_> http://www.etrunk.com.tw/en/db_3022.html
11:52 < jeru> click
11:52 < minto_> Backup by replacing one drive and store it in safe place.
11:53 < jeru> looks nice
11:54 < minto_> http://www.deonet.nl/ is the same thing. I alreay have this one at home.
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13:52 < [g2]> what's up with the ARM/Xscale support for T2 ?
13:53 < jeru> [g2]: don't know if it was tested yet, but it should be possible
13:54 < jeru> [g2]: if you've some hardware on hand ... just build a target and test it ;)
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14:00 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta3 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
14:00 -!- Topic set by valentin [] [Sun Apr 10 22:39:26 2005]
14:00 [Users #t2]
14:00 [ [g2] ] [ Davidcc6] [ minto_] [ nzg ] [ sepp ]
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14:00 < jeru> [g2]: I think t2 could be a good choice for your development
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14:01 < jeru> hi rxr_
14:01 < [g2]> Well I'm interested in learning more about SDE
14:01 < jeru> [g2]: then you're at right location
14:02 < [g2]> I talked to somebody 6 months ago in another channel about T2 but I forget who it was
14:02 < jeru> rxr_: [g2] asks for arm/xscale support in t2. what's the status?
14:02 < [g2]> It was either #uclibc, #gentoo-embedded or something along those lines
14:03 < jeru> [g2]: I guess it was on #uclibc
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14:10 < [g2]> A more general question is how much cross building experience does T2 have ?
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14:14 < [g2]> how out-of-date is the t2-handbook ?
14:15 < sepp> huhu
14:15 < jeru> hi sepp
14:16 < jeru> [g2]: the handbook should be ok for the most important things
14:16 < sepp> hmm, how can i set a env. var like $QTDIR in a package?
14:17 < sepp> so that it is system wide if someone installs the pkg ...
14:17 < jeru> [g2]: but we had slightly changes regarding the location of config files
14:20 < jeru> sepp: you can set vars like in a shell. or what do you mean ?
14:21 < sepp> jeru: i mean that the var is set if you install the pkg, like qt it sets QTDIR
14:22 < jeru> sepp: cat /etc/profile.d/qt3
14:23 < sepp> ahh thanks
14:23 < jeru> sepp: no problem :)
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15:20 < rxr_> re
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15:21 < jeru> hi rxr
15:21 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0504/37496.html
15:21 < rxr> hehe
15:22 < jeru> rxr: [g2] asked for arm/xscale support in t2. what's the status? He told me he is the release manager for -> http://www.nslu2-linux.org
15:22 < rxr> arm is supported
15:22 < rxr> the psion target does e.g. base on it
15:23 < rxr> however noone tested xscale so far
15:24 < jeru> rxr: well, that's what I told him
15:24 < rxr> hehe
15:24 < rxr> I did ont imagine golem would pick the release - but good to see that they did ,-)
15:25 < jeru> :)
15:25 < jeru> rxr: [g2]: if you've some hardware on hand ... just build a target and test it ;)
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15:46 < jeru> rxr: auto eth0 (default) should be correct, or isn't it ?
15:46 < sparc-kly> root@sparc t2-trunk # ./scripts/Config -cfg system
15:46 < sparc-kly> Creating configuration script.
15:46 < sparc-kly> T2 2.1.0-rc2 configuration ...
15:46 < sparc-kly> ./scripts/Config: line 118: 19012 Segmentation fault "$0" -cfg $config $oldconfig $profile $nobashmod -cycle
15:46 < jeru> rxr: if I have -> interface eth0 (default)
15:47 < sparc-kly> what is my problem
15:47 < jeru> sparc-kly: what's your host system ?
15:48 < jeru> sparc-kly: debian ?
15:48 < sparc-kly> Sun Ultra 2
15:48 < sparc-kly> gentoo
15:49 < sparc-kly> and my kernel is :
15:49 < rxr> sparc-kly: your compiler should not be defect ...
15:49 < rxr> you can try ./scripts/Config -nobashmod
15:49 < rxr> os the bash plugin is not built
15:49 < sparc-kly> ./scripts/Config -nobashmod
15:49 < rxr> however it might get you other trouble thereafter
15:49 < jeru> sparc-kly: forget about building it on gentoo atm, It worked some time ago but now I've problems building t2 on gentoo.
15:50 < rxr> jeru: you build on gentoo ?
15:50 < sparc-kly> hey ./scripts/Config -nobashmod
15:50 < sparc-kly> run fine
15:50 < sparc-kly> :D
15:50 < rxr> sparc-kly: I know that sparc issue - rm -rf gentoo and use a serious and stable base system
15:50 < jeru> rxr: I had build a t2 target on gentoo, but now it's not working
15:50 < rxr> sparc-kly: I doublt your compiler is healthy enough to build T2 ...
15:51 < rxr> however you can now configure the build ...
15:52 < sparc-kly> serious and stable base system
15:52 < sparc-kly> humm
15:52 * jeru thinks: mv gentoo /dev/null
15:52 < sparc-kly> give me example
15:54 < sparc-kly> t2 dont have sparc isos .
15:54 < jeru> sparc-kly: if you have a fast sparc screaming machine you can build some ;)
15:54 < mnemoc> re
15:54 < jeru> oh welcome master mnemoc
15:54 < jeru> :)
15:55 < rxr> sparc-kly: yeah - that is a point - I should start releasing SPARC ISOs - too bad I can't clone myself ...
15:55 < rxr> hey mnemoc !
15:55 < mnemoc> hi rxr
15:56 < mnemoc> rxr: what do you suggest to trace/fix (or workaround) my problem?
15:57 < sparc-kly> my slow sparc is dual 200mhz :D
15:58 < sparc-kly> hi mnemoc
16:00 < rxr> mnemoc: which problem was that?
16:00 < sparc-kly> xeon is more fast than amd64 ?
16:02 < jeru> sparc-kly: It depends ...
16:03 < jeru> sparc-kly: XEON is sth lika a born dead ;)
16:04 < mnemoc> rxr: uni*fs and glibc thing
16:04 < mnemoc> most xeon is on last P4-s, but a 2xXeon is something nice to have
16:05 < rxr> why do you get a 0-glibc build?
16:05 < jeru> mnemoc: but a Dual-Opteron should outperform an Dual-Xeon ;)
16:05 < rxr> do you start from scratch ?
16:06 < mnemoc> rxr: around rev 8000 i started from zero
16:06 < mnemoc> and it build perfecting on my 8080 resync
16:06 < mnemoc> but not on the next
16:06 < mnemoc> perfectly*
16:06 < rxr> still - how exactly got you the 0-glibc trouble ?
16:07 < sparc-kly> i have root access in one server in my university . this is a dell 2.8ghz Xeon .
16:07 < mnemoc> rxr: configure screaming about cpp insanity (can't fin limits.h)
16:07 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/ref/log/1-glibc.err
16:08 < mnemoc> and inside config.log..... minute
16:08 < rxr> I read - but was it a build from scratch or some Create-ErrList -newdelte or so =
16:08 < rxr> ? even
16:08 < mnemoc> -newdelete
16:08 < rxr> AFAICS unionfs is also from a corrupted croscc
16:08 < mnemoc> uhm
16:08 < rxr> mnemoc: well - I think something in your tools.cross got corrupted
16:08 < rxr> no idea why and how and when ...
16:08 < mnemoc> -remove gcc ?
16:09 < rxr> maybe rebuild 0-* ?
16:09 < mnemoc> just rm 0-* ?
16:09 < rxr> I just started a fresh desktop build let's see how this goes ...
16:09 < rxr> mnemoc: valentin and I will get less to be happy but enough to live for a germany magazine to get them a good desktop system / live-cd
16:10 < rxr> this will include at least a live-cd rewrite and ooo fixing
16:10 < rxr> plus a lot more ...
16:10 < mnemoc> payed??
16:10 < rxr> should we branch 2.1 before?
16:10 < rxr> that is this weekened ?
16:10 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - but as I wrote only the tiny ammounted we need to consider doing it at all ...
16:10 < mnemoc> what about branching 2.2 until... rc2?
16:10 < rxr> not getting rich - just paying my flat that is
16:11 < mnemoc> rxr: pay the flat doing T2 is a great begining
16:11 < rxr> yep
16:11 < rxr> and contributing to your work getting ooo build ... ,-)
16:12 < mnemoc> i have m90 on my reference if you want to 'take' the patch
16:12 < rxr> as well as getting a good live-cd and a well integrated desktop target
16:12 < rxr> mnemoc: how long does it build until it hits some error =?
16:12 < mnemoc> previous error is a 'known bug', but i'm not sure if the bug is on our rpm or inside ooo
16:12 < rxr> also 12h ?
16:12 < mnemoc> 1-glibc
16:12 < mnemoc> 4-5 hours
16:13 < rxr> hm - previously it built 12h ... no?
16:13 < mnemoc> ooo? i was talking about 1-glñibc :p
16:13 < mnemoc> ooo took 15 once, but my last time it took only 2 to fail
16:13 < mnemoc> using sun-jdk
16:14 < mnemoc> and extra 512 on ram
16:14 < mnemoc> 15@(kaffe+256) == 2@(sun-jdk+256+512)
16:16 < minto_> mnemoc: I plan on adding sun jdk and jre 1.4.2 as well for both x86 and ia64 (the only ones available on sun site).
16:17 < minto_> after that J2EE sdk 1.4
16:17 < mnemoc> no OOo for sparc on sun' site?
16:19 < mnemoc> rxr: i have transset on my mirrors
16:20 < mnemoc> rxr: stage-0 rebuilding
16:27 < rxr> my build is in 1-glibc now ...
16:28 < rxr> ok - just phoned with the mgazine
16:28 < rxr> we have that project ...
16:28 < mnemoc> :D
16:28 < mnemoc> will they distribute the live-cd you will create?
16:28 < rxr> that means nearly full time work for the next 4 weeks on T2 - getting a state of the art LiveCD including graphical installed, graphical network frontend, good desktop integration (DBUS, HAL, ...) OOO and the other stuff around ...
16:29 < rxr> yes - it will be in the magazine - and the source of course in T2 ... ,-)
16:29 < jeru> :D
16:29 < rxr> including some T2 articles on the way ...
16:30 < mnemoc> rxr: that will be great PR
16:30 < mnemoc> rxr: and non-osX money for you :)
16:30 < rxr> yeah ...
16:30 < rxr> hm - somehow my E17 got corrupted ...
16:32 < rxr> mnemoc: have you seen: http://www.golem.de/0504/37496.html
16:33 < jeru> rxr: nice PR but it's in german ;)
16:33 * jeru is uploading T2 packages to his broken server
16:34 < rxr> yeah - I Bcc'ed way moer sites - but not all pick it up ...
16:34 < rxr> we need to get on more project sites in the including in this and that distribution sections ...
16:34 < jeru> let's see if this mnemosyne thing will work ;)
16:36 < jeru> mnemoc: btw, php doesn't compile on mnemosyne because it doesn't find libjpeg, libpng, netpbm ... should I commit the changes ?
16:41 * jeru wants to have an E2 at home too. Upload is quite well :)
16:48 * rxr tea
16:52 < mnemoc> jeru: sure, fix it
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18:00 < keinek> hi
18:02 < mnemoc> hi keinek
18:06 < jeru> so have to move home quickly ... cu * later
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18:26 < mubex> hi keinek
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18:27 < keinek> hi sparc-kly
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19:04 < _jeru> re
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19:13 < minto_> _jeru: Did some shopping again, didn't you?
19:14 < minto_> ... is watching you
19:15 < _jeru> minto_: damn ... you got me. but I've to go shopping everyday because my critter needs some food. ,)
19:15 < minto_> How many critters do you have?
19:16 < _jeru> just one ... but it's enough
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19:16 < minto_> How old is yours?
19:17 < minto_> Maybe we can organize some T2 critter party soon.
19:17 < _jeru> minto_: don't know ... approx. 1.5 years old
19:17 < minto_> Same as mine.
19:18 < _jeru> minto_: but critte in my case isn't a child .... ,)
19:18 < minto_> Ahh, my resources must have misinformed me.
19:18 < _jeru> minto_: seems so .... It's a rabbit :)
19:19 < minto_> jeru = bugs bunny :-D
19:19 < _jeru> minto_: yeah :D ... he is a "relict" from my ex girlfriend
19:20 < minto_> Hmm, she left something! What did she take instead?
19:20 < _jeru> minto_: foxy you are ;)
19:20 < _jeru> minto_: my old laptop
19:21 < minto_> Bad trade. a bunny for a laptop.
19:21 < _jeru> minto_: no no ...
19:22 < minto_> never mind we have X-mas again this year ;-)
19:22 < minto_> Sorry, you probably love your bunny.
19:22 < _jeru> minto_: indeed it was an old Thinkpad 760 but with a Pentium233MMX
19:23 < _jeru> minto_: and yes ... I love this small guy
19:24 < _jeru> minto_: but btw, I've nothing against a T2 "critter" party
19:24 < minto_> I know of 3 but there soon will be a 4th.
19:24 < _jeru> minto_: I think this could be a nice party ... :)
19:24 < minto_> mnemoc 2, me 1 and soon valentin
19:24 < sepp> i have a teddy bear, does this count?
19:24 < _jeru> sepp: ok
19:25 < minto_> sepp: Why not, critters, bunnies and bears. A happy party it will be.
19:30 < mnemoc> :)
19:43 < CIA-9> msluis * r8252 /trunk/package/java/sun-jre-150/sun-jre-150.conf: * improved flist, now proper copy instead of move.
19:44 < CIA-9> msluis * r8253 /trunk/package/java/sun-jre-142/ (. extract-x86.diff sun-jre-142.conf sun-jre-142.desc): * added another sun jre (1.4.2_08)
19:46 < _jeru> how can I build mine statically ?
19:46 < CIA-9> msluis * r8254 /trunk/package/java/sun-jdk-142/ (5 files):
19:46 < CIA-9> * added another sun jdk (1.4.2_08)
19:46 < CIA-9> * now includes java support for ia64
19:46 < minto_> mnemoc: Do you want this java stuff as well?
19:47 < mnemoc> sun 1.4??
19:47 < mnemoc> why not blackdown?
19:47 < mnemoc> but yes, i want every file i need to do the reference build
19:48 < minto_> blackdown does not have ia64
19:49 < mnemoc> ic
19:49 < minto_> I want to install sun j2ee app server as well. I think it depends on 1.4.2 but might work with blackdown as well. Still I think sun 1.4 is newer than blackdown 1.4
20:11 < CIA-9> amery * r8255 /trunk/package/archiver/mine/install_static.patch: * changed `mine` to install it's static version too (NOT TESTED)
20:11 < mnemoc> minto_: j2ee can be a good think to have
20:13 < rxr> re
20:13 * mnemoc hides
20:14 < rxr> mnemoc: why ?
20:14 < mnemoc> 8255 :p
20:14 < mnemoc> i'm not sure if /bin is the right place for mine.static
20:15 < _jeru> ohoh ! I'm guilty !
20:15 < mnemoc> :)
20:15 < _jeru> rxr: please consider! mnemoc was just the helping hand :)
20:16 < mnemoc> _jeru! and our plone?
20:16 < _jeru> mnemoc: will be copied on the "new" server
20:16 < _jeru> I mean ... my local copy
20:16 < _jeru> of the T2 website
20:17 < mnemoc> we need to add some content before rc1 release :)
20:18 < mnemoc> multilanguage content ;) de/en/sp
20:18 < mnemoc> .oO( what those people speak in cameroon? )o
20:18 < rxr> hehe
20:18 < _jeru> and I've to get my server up and running today! so the chance are quite good for getting a test site today late in the evening!
20:19 < mnemoc> go go go
20:19 < minto_> multilanguage +/nl
20:19 < mnemoc> :)
20:19 < _jeru> mnemoc: there is full i18n support
20:19 < _jeru> ok nl too
20:19 < mnemoc> _jeru: don't forget we need versionable content
20:20 < _jeru> mnemoc: what do you mean exactly ?
20:20 < mnemoc> diff and revert
20:21 < _jeru> mnemoc: my thoughts are, to place documentation, handbooks, etc. on the filesystem. so we can sync the stuff via svn!
20:21 < mnemoc> :D
20:22 < _jeru> mnemoc: if we use sth. like ReSt for our documentation it should be possible to have nice rendered webpages.
20:22 < _jeru> and PDF, PS, etc.
20:23 < mnemoc> i trust plone can help us a lot
20:24 < _jeru> yep
20:27 < CIA-9> msluis * r8256 /trunk/package/java/blackdown-jre/blackdown-jre.conf: * improved flist for blackdown, now proper copy instead of move.
20:27 < _jeru> btw, what about new user subscription policies? Should anyone be able to create an user account on the t2 plone site ?
20:27 < CIA-9> sebastian * r8257 /trunk/package/graphic/nip2/ (. nip2.desc): * added nip2 (7.10.10)
20:27 < CIA-9> sebastian * r8258 /trunk/package/graphic/vips/ (. vips.desc): * added vips (7.10)
20:28 < mnemoc> _jeru: i'm a wiki man, i love openness
20:28 < mnemoc> _jeru: that's why i need versionable content :)
20:28 < _jeru> mnemoc: ok, then we#
20:28 < _jeru> we'll need some fine grained user control ;)
20:29 < mnemoc> yep
20:29 < _jeru> LDAP ?
20:29 < mnemoc> i don't think we need LDAP for this
20:29 < _jeru> not yet ;)
20:30 < mnemoc> but if you prefer.... you will set it, no me, so.... it's up to you :)
20:31 < _jeru> mnemoc: but you have to help with administration, that's for sure ;)
20:31 < _jeru> rene told me he will not do plone administration ;)
20:32 * _jeru hides quickly
20:32 < mnemoc> no problem :)
20:32 < _jeru> hehe :)
20:34 < _jeru> mine.static is quite fat
20:34 < mnemoc> mine is fat
20:34 < _jeru> damn
20:34 < mnemoc> and badly designed
20:34 < _jeru> so tbz2
20:34 < mnemoc> bize :)
20:36 < rxr> re
20:36 < mnemoc> bize is a nice tool
20:36 < rxr> mnemoc: first thing to get rid of in 2.2 is mine ...
20:37 < _jeru> rxr: thank you :)
20:37 < mnemoc> even if we keep .gem support we need to get rid of mine
20:37 < _jeru> what is the plan ?
20:37 < mnemoc> a lib extending libtar
20:38 < rxr> mnemoc: .gem support? why? .tar.X with some key value ? no thanks
20:38 < rxr> good tar support and .lzo as additional compressor
20:38 < mnemoc> :)
20:39 < rxr> tar.{gz,bz2,lzo}
20:39 * mnemoc to lunch.... cu :)
20:39 < _jeru> cu
20:47 < minto_> Hmm,
20:47 < minto_> root@server:/manual/work# ./j2eesdk-1_4-linux.bin -console
20:47 < minto_> ./j2eesdk-1_4-linux.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
20:47 < minto_> libc is that bad???
20:47 < sepp> its linked again old gcc 2.x libs ?
20:48 < minto_> What should I do now?
20:48 < sepp> libstc++
20:49 < minto_> I only have a binary, downloaded straight from sun download site.
20:49 < minto_> Maybe I need to do some googling.
20:50 < sepp> use a new jre?
20:51 < minto_> sepp: No, the binary I downloaded is to install j2ee 1.4. It makes no sense to use jre for installing of j2ee.
20:52 < minto_> The binary needs to be executed to have j2ee installed.
20:53 < sepp> and you have a prog. that needs a old j* ?
20:56 < rxr> in the rock flyspray bug tracker there is a "add a old libstdc++ compat package" ...
20:56 < rxr> noone cared so far ...
21:04 < minto_> rxr: What do I need to do to get old libstdc++ support, and how much time would it roughly involve?
21:05 < rxr> taking gcc 2.95.3 and hack it to just build that library or so
21:05 < jsaw_> minto_: make a link from your current libstdc++-whatever to libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 an try again
21:05 < rxr> no idea - I never wanted to take a look
21:05 < rxr> I heared some commercial dists have such a library around - maybe you could get an inspiration look ...
21:06 < jsaw_> minto_: don't forget ldconfig...
21:08 < sepp> this should not work because of abi changes
21:13 < minto_> :-( Probably a lot of work then.
21:21 < rxr> hi jsaw_ !
21:21 < rxr> you are fine ?
21:23 < jsaw_> hi rxr
21:23 < jsaw_> not really, stressed out...
21:25 < _jeru> jsaw_: anyway good luck for your thesis ;)
21:25 < jsaw_> :) thanks
21:26 < jsaw_> actually the only thing you really learn is "Frustrationstoleranz" (sth. like tolerance of frustration) .... ;]
21:26 < _jeru> minto_: btw ... we forgot to invent jsaw's kids for "T2 critters day" :)
21:27 < jsaw_> T2 critters day ?
21:28 < _jeru> jsaw_: now 6 kids, 1 bunny and a bear
21:28 < jsaw_> hehe
21:29 < _jeru> sepp: hope your bear isn't agressive! :)
21:30 < sepp> no its a normal teddy
21:30 < sepp> but i have a penguin on my desk
21:31 < sepp> a really old one, 20 years or so
21:31 < jsaw_> I can add another 20-40 (given up counting) soft toys...
21:32 < jsaw_> the only one I'll retain is the "black sheep" I got when I bought my IBM laptop 6 years ago...
21:33 < _jeru> so the party would be quite big if jsaw_ comes with his "relatives" :)
21:39 < jsaw_> :D
21:51 < rxr> some - people are freaky ...
21:51 < rxr> man ...
22:17 < mnemoc> hi
22:18 < minto_> hi mnemoc
22:18 < minto_> mnemoc: we already some j2ee
22:18 < minto_> We have jboss-as
22:19 < mnemoc> good :)
22:20 < minto_> However, the sun one probably gonna give me an headache
22:20 < mnemoc> don't you like to pain?
22:21 < minto_> Not in this case ;-)
22:21 < minto_> The installation is interactive
22:22 < minto_> jsaw: thanx for the hint, creating a link works for installation.
22:22 < jsaw_> :)
22:24 < mnemoc> hi jsaw_
22:37 < sepp> but only for installation, right?
22:38 < mnemoc> the symlink? i assume runtime will also depend on that .so
22:39 < sepp> but abi changes in libstdc++ (2.9X -> 3.4) should not work
22:39 < minto_> Sun Java app server just started with success. But I don't know if all functionality works.
22:39 < mnemoc> damn closed software
22:39 < minto_> Maybe the installer only use a tiny fraction of the abi.
22:40 < sepp> am i wrong with the c++ abi thing?
22:41 < minto_> Apparently, It is installed and it runs.
22:41 < sepp> strange
22:42 < minto_> Yepp
22:42 < minto_> Normally it is the other way around. You expect something to work and it doesn't. This time I did not expect it to work and it did. Software is so strange.
22:43 < mnemoc> have anyone used pxelinux.0?
22:43 < minto_> But if I want to wrap it in a package I still need to figure out how to handle the interactive part of the installer.
22:44 < mnemoc> is it binary?
22:46 < minto_> mnemoc: yes, unfortunately
22:46 < minto_> No like the jre and jdk that started with a script. This is fully binary.
22:46 < sepp> libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 was rh7.2 gcc2.96-98 really weird that it works
22:46 < minto_> s/No/Not
22:47 < mnemoc> minto_: uhm
22:48 < minto_> yess, uhmm and yuck
22:49 < minto_> I know a tool that could handle it, I just don;t know how it works and it depends on Tcl.
22:49 < minto_> it's called expect
22:49 < mnemoc> what does it do?
22:49 < minto_> It expects output and reacts on it.
22:50 < mnemoc> nice
22:50 < mnemoc> is it for automatized testing?
22:50 < minto_> http://expect.nist.gov/ have a look
22:50 < jsaw_> it's a bit more than you want...
22:51 < jsaw_> minto_: can't do it with bash?
22:52 < jsaw_> it doesn't open it's own pty, or?
22:52 < minto_> jsaw_: Can it?
22:52 < jsaw_> redirecting in/output..?
22:53 < minto_> Hmm, probably. I have to scan installer output and send the appropriate input
22:53 < jsaw_> of course, expect is easier...
22:53 < minto_> .. But depends on Tcl.
22:54 < minto_> I spend the last 4,5 years doing Tcl
22:54 < jsaw_> oh
22:54 < jsaw_> my knowledge of tcl is deeply buried
22:54 < minto_> I wouldn't be that bad. But the dependancy seems inappropriate hre
22:54 < minto_> s/hre/here
22:56 < jsaw_> the simplest solution might be: cat < 22:56 < jsaw_> (assuming it uses stdin/out)
22:57 < minto_> ???
22:57 * minto_ thinks he is starting to become a bash pro when he gets this working.
22:59 < minto_> Ahh, minto just seems to see the light.
23:00 < minto_> I hope IBM Websphere is easier than this. (Next on my list)
23:07 < minto_> Well this needs to wait till tomorrow, sleep well all.
23:11 < rxr> cu minto_
23:11 < rxr> sleep well, too
23:14 < _jeru> good night minto_
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23:30 < rxr> T2 | 2.1.0-beta3 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environm
23:30 < rxr> 22:53 < minto_> .. But depends on Tcl.
23:30 < rxr> 22:54 < minto_> I spend the last 4,5 years doing Tcl
23:30 < rxr> oops
23:30 < rxr> sorry
23:39 < sepp> good night all
23:39 < mnemoc> gn8 sepp
23:39 < rxr> n8 sepp
23:39 < _jeru> night sepp
23:40 < CIA-9> rene * r8259 /trunk/package/x11-ng/glitz/glitz.desc: * updated glitz (0.4.1-CVS -> 0.4.2-CVS)
23:45 < valentin> short hi
23:46 < CIA-9> jsaw * r8260 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgnomedb/forgotten-db-util-h.patch: * install gnome-db-util.h (needed by abiword)
23:47 < mnemoc> hi valentin
23:47 < jsaw_> rxr: that's nice: 690 builds total, 634 completed fine, 0 with errors.
23:47 < jsaw_> (desktop target)
23:47 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/ref/regressions.html
23:48 < valentin> hi jsaw_, mnemoc
23:48 < valentin> jsaw_: i am in saarbruecken
23:49 < jsaw_> valentin: hi. what are you doin there?
23:49 < valentin> visiting lars
23:49 < valentin> and his wife
23:49 < jsaw_> mnemoc: abiword should build now, i think
23:49 < jsaw_> valentin: ic
23:50 < rxr> hi valentin
23:50 < valentin> hi rxr
23:50 < mnemoc> jsaw_: after 8260?
23:50 < rxr> valentin: re have the cd thing then ..
23:50 < valentin> did you phone that drilling ?
23:50 < rxr> valentin: greetings to lars, pamela, ada, kerstin and whoever is lingernig around over there ...
23:50 < mnemoc> anyone know how to give io port to etherboot?
23:50 < rxr> valentin: of course ...
23:50 < jsaw_> mnemoc: build/laptop-2.1.0-rc2-x86-pentium-mmx-desktop/var/adm/logs/5-abiword.log
23:50 < valentin> btw: lars realy has beta-3
23:51 < jsaw_> 'nough distraction, cu all
23:51 < valentin> cu jsaw_
23:51 < valentin> greetings back
23:53 < mnemoc> jsaw_: libgnomedb and abiword rescheduled
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