T2 IRC Log: 2005-01-25

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--- Log opened Tue Jan 25 00:00:13 2005
00:01 < jsaw> :)
00:07 < rxr> oh my god
00:07 < rxr> The main problem is that the glibc's supplied with each commercial
00:07 < rxr> system are *heavily* patched. My Suse 9.2 system has a rpm for
00:07 < rxr> glibc with fifty patches. Fifty patches!
00:08 < jsaw> .oO
00:08 < rxr> ...
00:08 < rxr> Fifty patches which make the SuSE glibc binarily incompatible
00:08 < rxr> with the redhat, and so on. And everything is incompatible
00:08 < rxr> with the vanilla flavor.
00:08 < _Ragnar_> ...
00:08 < _Ragnar_> omg
00:08 < rxr> To: gcc@gcc.gnu.org, libc-alpha@sources.redhat.com, binutils@sources.redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
00:08 < rxr> ^- guess it will start quite some flamewar
00:09 < _Ragnar_> could very well be ;)
00:09 < rxr> the post could habe been from me ... ;-)
00:10 < rxr> in 2.1 times (IIRC) I once differ some glibc-vanilla with the redhat one ...
00:10 < rxr> (carring the same release version)
00:10 < rxr> the diff was s.th. like 5MB in size ...
00:10 < _Ragnar_> omg
00:10 < _Ragnar_> what things do they actually patch?
00:11 < _Ragnar_> (you could get 5mb of adding/removing typos in documentation I guess)
00:11 < rxr> well - I must admit it contained a lot of file movement, file regeneration and such ...
00:11 < rxr> but anyway I have no idea how the managed to maintain that beast ...
00:12 < _Ragnar_> not at all?
00:12 < _Ragnar_> ;)
00:12 < rxr> well - sure - GlibC master in cheif, Ullrich Drepper is sitting there, so ...
00:13 < rxr> - package some cool Ret Hat release
00:13 < rxr> - never actually release it ...
00:13 < rxr> and that for a GNU core project ...
00:13 < _Ragnar_> sucks
00:14 < _Ragnar_> time for a replacement ;)
00:15 < rxr> yep
00:15 < rxr> definetly ... maintenance nightmare that noone wanna look into - and no release for over 1 1/2 years or so ..
00:16 < rxr> and the 2.3.3 one can hardly be counted, done >6 months after redhat shipped it - and not blessed by Drepper AFAIRC
00:18 * _Ragnar_ sighs
00:19 < rxr> huh?
00:19 < _Ragnar_> problem is many packages now seem to import all the messed up stuff into their own software
00:19 < rxr> Apple's Mail.app does not match Cc: when searched for "To:" but lacks a "Cc:" search option ...
00:19 < _Ragnar_> great ;p
00:20 < jsaw> Is there any advantage of having glibc on the system in comparison to, say uclibc?
00:20 < rxr> me put's this user interface nightmare into suspend ...
00:20 < rxr> jsaw: guess uclibc lacks many optimizations ..
00:20 < _Ragnar_> many packages just don
00:20 < rxr> like this NPTL, sysenter
00:20 < _Ragnar_> many packages just don't compile with uclibc
00:20 < rxr> and whatever ...
00:20 < rxr> maybe even I18N stuff ?
00:21 < jsaw> optimization, tls, i18n, anything else?
00:21 < _Ragnar_> nis headers lacking
00:21 < _Ragnar_> many libm funcs lacking
00:22 < jsaw> okay.
00:22 < rxr> don't talk about libm ... dietlibc is lacking that mostly, too
00:22 < rxr> but I have seen 3rd party math libraries ...
00:24 < rxr> my osnes comment doubled our http://www.t2-project.org hits, today ...
00:25 < rxr> and kaxtv is still the highest hit google search term leading to the site ...
00:25 < _Ragnar_> *g*
00:27 < rxr> outlining vast uclibc, x86-64 and sparc64 enhancements my hope it to make it on osnews ...
00:27 < rxr> I'm corious how many hits that would yield ...
00:28 < rxr> at ROCK times I managed it two times to get on http://www.osnews.com ..
00:28 < _Ragnar_> *g*
00:28 < _Ragnar_> hmmm
00:29 < _Ragnar_> pythons dbm extension links with gdbm_compat and gdbm ... but then it loads, it complains about gdbm_errno, which is clearly present in gdbm.so
00:29 < rxr> me preparing to follow the iBook and enter the sleep cycle, too
00:45 < _Ragnar_> okay sleep well
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02:18 < c4y0> hi!
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02:43 < Postal> Hey all
02:44 < Postal> rxr, you around?
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03:38 < Postal> I am editing the wiki, i hope no one minds
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03:38 < _Ragnar_> I should take a look at that later
03:43 < Postal> ok
03:43 < Postal> why arent my bulets orange like everyone elses?
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03:50 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Wed Jan 12 03:04:43 2005]
03:50 [Users #t2]
03:50 [ _Ragnar_] [ ideal ] [ nzg ] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
03:50 [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ Postal ] [ rxr_ ]
03:50 [ daja77 ] [ mnemoc] [ praenti] [ sparc-kly]
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03:57 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Wed Jan 12 03:04:43 2005]
03:57 [Users #t2]
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03:58 < Postal> jsaw, and what is this CammelCase?
03:58 < jsaw> CammelCase is a special notation: no spaces, each word starts with a upper case letter
03:58 < Postal> What if it is one word?
03:59 < jsaw> SoACompleteSentenceWouldLookLikeThis...
03:59 < jsaw> Same thing, starts with a upper case letter.
04:00 < jsaw> gray: no entry, orange: has entry
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04:02 < Postal> Ok, well even the ones that I have completed pages for are still grey and not orange...
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04:03 < jsaw> .oO(hmmm)
04:04 < Postal> How do I clear my cache in Konquer?
04:04 < jsaw> no idea...
04:04 < Postal> found it
04:07 < Postal> I must say, the syntax, whilst easy, takes a while to get used to
04:07 < jsaw> ack
04:08 < Postal> ack=??
04:08 < jsaw> short form of "acknowledge"
04:08 < Postal> ah ok
04:08 < Postal> you wanna check these pages when there done to make sure there ok?
04:09 < jsaw> after some sleep, ok?
04:09 < Postal> sure, i just want to make sure that it's alright that im adding pages....
04:10 < jsaw> yeah, of course... It has a svn backend, so...
04:10 < jsaw> ;)
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04:14 < jsaw> I'm off now, relocating self from lab to home, and later bed, cu!
04:14 < Postal> cu jsaw
04:14 < jsaw> cu Postal
04:14 < jsaw> cu _Ragnar_
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06:21 < _Ragnar_> rehi
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07:41 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Wed Jan 12 03:04:43 2005]
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08:00 < rxr_> re
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08:08 < rxr> ELF statifier 1.6.2
08:13 < rxr> http://www.tech-blog.org/story-2786.html
08:13 < rxr> ?
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10:05 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Wed Jan 12 03:04:43 2005]
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10:06 < rene> so
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10:26 < rxr> damn sun people placing num lock where ctrl has to be ...
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10:39 < rxr> damn
10:39 < rxr> again wasting time with borked tfh hardware ...
10:55 < rxr> valentin: I can fully understand your frust with your keybord ...
10:55 < rxr> here is a type5, do you wanna exchange it ?
11:11 < rxr> damn routing here ..
11:11 * rxr gets headache ...
11:17 < rxr> or better non-routing ...
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12:21 < valentin> rxr: what is the difference ?
12:43 < rxr> re
12:43 < rxr> ?
12:44 < rxr> that it would be a type6 with saner layout?
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17:54 < rxr> hi
17:57 < mipe> hi rxr,how do i remove arch been passed to configure from package.conf, looks like however i try it to be removed its still there.
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17:59 < mipe> on x86_64, i'm building 32bit glibc,compiler. but dont know where to installed them,i mean is /opt/ better or somewhere else?
18:01 < mipe> also whats the "best" way of rewriting prefix tags passed to configure. currently i rewrite all the dirs passed to configure by var_remove/var_append *huoh*. better way of doing this?
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18:50 < rxr> re
18:50 < rxr> you already have a mutilib compiler
18:50 < rxr> you only need a 32bit libc ...
18:50 < rxr> it should go into /lib32 ...
18:52 < valentin> Broken link in www.t2-project.org
18:52 < valentin> haha
19:04 < mipe> yeah,but how do i remove -march=athlon64 from conf file?
19:07 < rxr> mipe: for which package where?
19:09 < _Ragnar_> good morning
19:09 < _Ragnar_> grub?
19:11 < rxr> hm - the Photoshop manual does not exactly include much about scanning ...
19:12 < rxr> and altough it is for the Mac version, includes Windows XP screenshots ....
19:12 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
19:14 < mipe> rxr:nvm bout -march,but to 32bit libc,whats the best way of implementing it?
19:16 < rxr> I have to think about a proper way to add package wide multilib support to t2 ...
19:16 < rxr> something generic ...
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19:22 < _Ragnar_> would be nice to be able to select static linking for each package, too
19:22 < _Ragnar_> for each package *individually
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19:48 < madtux> hi.
19:48 < rxr> hi madtux !
19:48 < rxr> madtux: I have native 64 bit user-space mostly going in t2 !!!
19:49 < madtux> rene excellent news :)
19:49 < rxr> there are a few minor stability problems and no working X server yet, ... but at least most stuff just builds ...
19:49 < madtux> isos for me?
19:49 < rxr> heeh - still building ...
19:49 < madtux> i just need a minimalistic system
19:49 < rxr> and I guess you want a working X and ping, hm ?
19:49 < madtux> then i can play on my own.
19:49 < madtux> my time is VERY limited.. but i can work something out
19:50 < madtux> i don't care about X or ping
19:50 < madtux> not atm
19:50 < rxr> lol ...
19:51 < madtux> :P
19:51 < madtux> how are things doing rxr?
19:51 < rxr> oh - as busy as usual ...
19:52 < rxr> over there I guess, too?
19:52 < madtux> you are telling _ME_ about been busy?
19:52 < rxr> t2 is going great!
19:52 < madtux> yeah same thing
19:52 < madtux> i wouldn't expect less than that from t2
19:52 < madtux> :)
19:52 < rxr> what is you keeping busy at the moment?
19:52 < madtux> www.nativesportsbook.com
19:54 < rxr> huh?
19:54 < madtux> i own part of it
19:54 < rxr> ic ...
19:55 < madtux> long story
19:55 < rxr> can imagine ... ;-)
19:55 < madtux> just making a living ... have quite some good oportunities with this business
19:55 < madtux> but hey what keeps me busy atm is getting everything organized and ready
19:56 < madtux> after that i can work pretty much fulltime on my os projects
19:56 < madtux> ie t2 will probably take most of the time
19:56 < rxr> Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
19:56 < rxr> madtux: ?
19:57 < madtux> thats what keeps me busy.. i'm moving it all to t2 powered servers
19:57 < rxr> sounds like a plan ;-)
19:57 < madtux> ;)
20:01 < daja77> madtux: !!!!
20:02 < daja77> book your flight!
20:02 < daja77> ;)
20:03 < madtux> daja77: ?
20:04 < daja77> sat 5th march 12:00 miguel bolanos, SELinux
20:04 < daja77> ;)
20:04 < madtux> wtf
20:04 < madtux> show me
20:05 < daja77> http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2005/vortraege/plan.html
20:06 < rxr> *lol*
20:06 < rxr> sounds like a rocking organization ;-)
20:06 < daja77> :D
20:07 < _Ragnar_> where's mnemoc?
20:07 * daja77 likes the fact that that one debian guy with got half an hour for his two talks ^^
20:07 < madtux> WTF!?
20:07 < daja77> ?
20:08 < daja77> madtux: just look under raum 4 at 12
20:08 < rxr> daja77: what is with the debian person ?
20:08 < madtux> its IMPOSIBLE to give 2 decent talks in 30 mins
20:08 < madtux> daja77: ja i saw me
20:08 < madtux> cool
20:08 < daja77> madtux: he gives no decent talks anyway
20:08 < madtux> hehe
20:09 < madtux> HOLY #$%& i got 1 hour?
20:09 < daja77> yes ;)
20:09 < daja77> one of the longer talks
20:09 < rxr> and they will pay the flight ?
20:09 < daja77> unfortunately we cannot afford that
20:10 < rxr> .oO (poor madtux)
20:10 < daja77> indeed
20:11 < madtux> its ok i wanted to go for a little vacation in germany since quite a while
20:11 * rxr awaiting to meet you !
20:11 < madtux> daja77: what does the star mean on some names?
20:11 < madtux> rxr: will atend the event?
20:12 < daja77> madtux: talks that are suitable for beginners too
20:12 < rxr> don't think so. ...
20:12 < rxr> I plan for cebit, linxu tag karlsruhe and linux world expo ...
20:12 < rxr> I can not be at any event ...
20:12 < madtux> daja77: then how come i do not have a star?
20:12 < rxr> need to code and earn money in between ...
20:12 < madtux> rxr: ah i understand
20:12 < daja77> madtux: beginners in terms of linux n00bs ...
20:13 < madtux> ok maybe there might bve a little bit of confusion with my talk when it comes to n00bs
20:13 < daja77> ;)
20:14 < madtux> just maybe
20:15 < daja77> so tell me where to pick you up ;)
20:18 < madtux> let me coordinate with my travel agency
20:18 < daja77> yes
20:18 < madtux> plus i will see if i can visit a crazy friend of mine from berlin
20:19 < daja77> I suggested leipzig or dresden, which are nearest
20:28 < madtux> :)
20:31 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/cdparanoia.html
20:31 < rxr> ^- the package matrix will now include remarks - like "Does not allow parallel builds." or "Builds with dietlibc ...
20:31 < rxr> "
20:33 < daja77> madtux: just tell me when you know sth ;)
20:33 < daja77> have to go now
20:33 < valentin> rxr:nice
20:33 < rxr> and the list reported download urls for ! overwrites are fixed ...
20:34 < rxr> regeneration of the static pages running ...
20:34 < valentin> why does the list end after packages/*/[ab]* ?
20:35 < rxr> because I Ctrl-C a manual rebuild due to script errors ...
20:35 < rxr> had to fix some ! quoting ...
20:35 < rxr> it is now regenerating and at dvdrip
20:35 < rxr> the script is kina slow parsing all the .desc files in pure bash ...
20:41 < madtux> daja77: i do not have ur phone number how do u expect me to call
20:41 < madtux> interesting clifford will be at the event
20:44 < rxr> ouhm
20:44 < rxr> -1.7°C - on wonder that it is cold inside ...
20:45 < rxr> hm - for some packages my bash scripts yields parse errors in the log - seems I have to rerun it soon ...
20:46 < _Ragnar_> *grr grr grr* *kicks python*
20:46 < daja77> hehe
20:47 < _Ragnar_> Misc/HISTORY: - utime() replaces utimes() (the latter is not a POSIX name) <-
20:47 < _Ragnar_> yes, but utimes is used by default and only if it's not present, utime is tried
20:48 * _Ragnar_ bangs python developers head on table ;p
20:48 < rxr> ouhm - my ! fixup is not yet quite right ...
20:50 < _Ragnar_> why use ! instead of a less shell-offensive char?
20:51 < rxr> well - it always has been this way - just changing it because it is easier to parse in bash is IMO not that neccessary
20:51 < rxr> our build scripts also deal with that without major hazzle ...
20:51 < _Ragnar_> okay
20:51 < _Ragnar_> ;)
20:51 < _Ragnar_> sounded like a new feature, not an older one
20:52 < _Ragnar_> yes! python _finally_ compiles
20:52 < rxr> uclibc ?
20:52 < _Ragnar_> yeah
20:53 < rxr> maybe you wanna release the first patchset?
20:53 < _Ragnar_> that took me about 2 days to hunt down why its failing?
20:53 < _Ragnar_> how do I make a patch from the changes I have made to the recent dvn ?
20:53 < _Ragnar_> svn head*
20:53 < rxr> svn diff
20:53 < rxr> for new files you need to svn add them before ...
20:54 < rxr> to show up in the diff ..
20:54 < _Ragnar_> oh
20:54 < _Ragnar_> that may take a while ;)
20:54 < rxr> looks like you will use t2 for uclibc systems in the future ?
20:54 < rxr> when you contribute more than say 10 patches this year I could just give you write access ...
20:55 < _Ragnar_> can I do a svn add packages/base/uclibc/patches/* and will it ignore the already present (in svn) files?
20:55 < rxr> yes - I think it will only warn that some are already under version control
20:55 < _Ragnar_> nice ;)
20:59 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/xjdic23.html
20:59 < rxr> ^- ok finally fixed
21:08 < _Ragnar_> .oO(why did I add bash to stage 5?)
21:08 < rxr> no idea ...
21:10 < _Ragnar_> and having to use dietlibc for attr is annoying ;p
21:12 < jsaw> re
21:15 < rxr> hi jsaw
21:16 < jsaw> hi rxr!
21:16 < _Ragnar_> hi jsaw ;)
21:17 < jsaw> hi _Ragnar_ :)
21:20 < jsaw> _Ragnar_: how many packages are compiling with uclibc now?
21:22 < _Ragnar_> about 490
21:24 * _Ragnar_ sighs and disables nessus
21:25 < rxr> can you store your package selection as misc/pkg-sel/uclibc ?
21:25 < jsaw> wow
21:26 < _Ragnar_> I'll have to rebuild and add some #define utimes() error("don't use utimes") tho
21:27 < rxr> 1023 builds total, 562 completed fine, 53 with errors.
21:27 < rxr> ^- sparc64 ...
21:28 < jsaw> !
21:29 < rxr> considering that I only once made it into the cross stage ... and qt and xorg build for the first time, some big !!! ;-)
21:29 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
21:30 < rxr> I put a university U5 online with this 64bit only userspace ...
21:30 < Minto> moin
21:30 < rxr> moin Minto
21:31 < rxr> ini120.tfh-berlin.de
21:31 < jsaw> rxr: I didn't know that, so:
21:31 < rxr> the name is temporary ...
21:31 < jsaw> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
21:31 < Minto> rxr: do you already have access to x86-64 hardware?
21:31 < rxr> only remotely, temporary ...
21:31 < rxr> but the sparc64 toolchain seems to have some problems - sometimes I get Illegal instructions and some bus errors here and there ..
21:32 < rxr> ping does not start up with major stack corruption - I think that is a nice tiny testcase to review ...
21:32 < rxr> but the most important stuff like including ssh is up and running ...
21:32 < Minto> I have a dual opteron (244) with lots of ram and hd space on my attic.
21:32 < rxr> attic ?
21:32 < rxr> Minto: we did a lot of x86-64 work over the last weeks ..
21:33 < rxr> most except e.g. grub will built now ...
21:33 < rxr> Minto: it would be cool if you could join the T2 x86-64 task force ,)
21:33 < Minto> The machine is still not configured.
21:34 < rxr> ouhm ...
21:34 < Minto> How could I best set it up to join the task force.
21:35 < _Ragnar_> hmm I don't think I'll bother fixing mono
21:35 < jsaw> Minto: simply start building...and fixing...
21:35 < rxr> attic does not mean it is to be throw away *g* ?
21:35 < jsaw> no
21:35 < jsaw> Mansarde or Dachgeschoss
21:36 < rxr> I know ...
21:36 < Minto> It is not like cvs Attic.
21:36 < rxr> hehe - ok
21:36 < rxr> well - you have this options:
21:36 < jsaw> <- is too slow to understand jokes :(
21:36 < rxr> - get a t2 build
21:36 < rxr> - cross build one
21:36 < rxr> - install e.g. SuSE and native build
21:36 < Minto> I have most of my computers are up there. They are to noisy to have them in the living room.
21:37 < _Ragnar_> rxr: how do I disable all packages from gnome/* except glib ?
21:37 < jsaw> Minto: and what's in your living room, a few mini-itx terminals?
21:37 < rxr> I also just started to carry mine into the universtiy - not only have the 100Mbit/s internat access there and it shrinks my electricity bill ...
21:37 < jsaw> _Ragnar_: select glib before disabling gnome
21:38 < rxr> jsaw: not the other way round ?
21:38 < Minto> Only a laptop and a noise PC I turn on once in a while :-)
21:38 < jsaw> rxr: I think awk stops at matches, or?
21:38 < jsaw> Minto: hehe
21:39 < rxr> Minto: mipe and postal built x86-64 so far ...
21:39 < Minto> Do they have iso?
21:39 < rxr> not an installable right now I guess ..
21:39 < rxr> but they could publish the tarballs ... - so you would just untar them ...
21:41 < Minto> Hmm. I know how to untar? But I am very good a linux administration (still learning).
21:41 < Minto> oops s/very/no very
21:43 < Minto> I type to fast and make to many errors:
21:43 < Minto> I meant: not very good at linux administration
21:43 < Minto> Does any one of plan to attend the Cebit?
21:43 < rxr> yes - I plan ...
21:43 < Minto> When?
21:44 < rxr> but altough I coordinate since last October I have not yet the final ok ...
21:44 < rxr> I plan to attent the whole week presenting T2 @ the OpenBooth ...
21:44 < _Ragnar_> jsaw: reversing 'X glib' and '- gnome*/*' doesn't help
21:45 < jsaw> hmmm.
21:45 < jsaw> checking
21:45 < jsaw> ...
21:45 < Minto> I think I come and show my face. I am old fashioned and like to meet people in person.
21:46 < rxr> ;-)
21:46 < rxr> jsaw: time for cebit ?
21:46 < jsaw> when is cebit?
21:48 < Minto> 10 - 16 march
21:50 < rxr> yep
21:57 < jsaw> _Ragnar_: first "O gnome*/*", second "X glib"
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21:58 < jsaw> hi praenti
21:59 < praenti> hi
21:59 < madtux> michael :)
21:59 < jsaw> hola miguel
21:59 < madtux> lo j :)
22:00 < jsaw> :)
22:00 < jsaw> need a new keyboard?
22:00 < praenti> my dvb installation gets on my nerves. mythtv is highly crap. getting no channels in there...
22:01 < rxr> yes
22:01 < rxr> i can confirm that it is highly crap
22:01 < rxr> i aslo dumped it ...
22:01 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
22:01 < rxr> hacked on it over a week ...
22:01 < rxr> never got it working that well - if at all ....
22:02 < praenti> :-). perhaps i should give linvdr a try...
22:02 < madtux> jsaw: no.. i just kinda like to call u j
22:03 < jsaw> that's the shortest nick I could have... you're the first to call me that way. :D
22:06 < madtux> so i like to be original :)
22:06 < jsaw> hehe
22:06 -!- jsaw is now known as j|
22:07 -!- j| is now known as j|g
22:07 < rxr> lindvr is also crap ...
22:07 < j|g> guess I need a new keyboard...
22:07 < rxr> in fact all dvb stuff under linux sucks unbelievable ...
22:07 -!- j|g is now known as jsaw
22:07 < rxr> currently I only use dvbd and dvbcat ... | mplayer ... -
22:08 < rxr> all the vdr systems and gui player are pure crap ...
22:08 < rxr> a shame for the OS community ...
22:08 < praenti> hmm. :-(
22:09 < jsaw> relocating self to lab.. cu later
22:09 < _Ragnar_> cu
22:09 < _Ragnar_> thanks for the pkgsel hint;)
22:09 < rxr> praenti: klear looks promimssing ...
22:10 < rxr> praenti: btw. linvdr is especially crap on hardware less cards ...
22:10 < rxr> during review I got no software decode plugin working ...
22:10 < rxr> praenti: dvbd and mplayer are quite nice ..
22:10 < rxr> just zapping sucks ;-)
22:10 < praenti> rxr: but then i have luck perhaps. have a card with hardware mpeg2 decoder
22:11 < rxr> and I need to find s.th. to cut out the commercials out of the dvbcat ... > the-movie.mpg files
22:11 < rxr> ah - ok
22:11 < praenti> :-)
22:11 < rxr> I do not want a TV in my house ...
22:11 < rxr> only digital components here ...
22:12 < Minto> just started a minimalistic generic x86-64 cross build on my old x86-32.
22:12 < Minto> mv Minto /bed ;-)
22:12 < Minto> night all
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22:13 < praenti> so neough with dvb for today...
22:14 < praenti> need some sleep before the exam tomorrow
22:14 < praenti> cu and gn8
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22:15 < _Ragnar_> http://sources.redhat.com/newlib/ <- anyone tried that?
22:17 < rxr> nope
22:17 < rxr> it might be kernel less systems only ...
22:18 < rxr> like avr or simillar uCs ....
22:20 < _Ragnar_> yeah I'm looking at ripping out the libm from that to replace the, lets say, not very complete uclibc one
22:45 -!- rxr_ [~rene@p213.54.228.253.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
22:45 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta2 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Enviroments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | CIA, don't ever leave us again!
22:45 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Wed Jan 12 03:04:43 2005]
22:45 [Users #t2]
22:45 [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-10] [ jsaw ] [ nzg ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly]
22:45 [ alice__ ] [ daja77] [ mnemoc_] [ praenti] [ rxr_] [ valentin ]
22:45 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 12 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal]
22:45 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
22:46 < rxr_> my ISP kinda sucks today ...
22:46 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 11 secs
22:57 < jsaw> re
22:59 < jsaw> _Ragnar_: newlib for 68HC11 only...
23:00 < rxr_> ah - so like avrlib - Atmel AVR only ...
23:00 * rxr_ doing the pkgchksum convertion right now ..
23:01 < jsaw> don't know avrlib... :/
23:01 < rxr_> echo "Clear (old) md5sums and cksums ..."
23:01 < rxr_> cat /dev/null > var/adm/md5sums/$xpkg
23:01 < rxr_> cat /dev/null > var/adm/cksums/$xpkg
23:01 < jsaw> ?
23:02 < rxr_> why don't we use echo -n "" > instead ?
23:02 [Users #t2]
23:02 [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-10] [ jsaw ] [ nzg ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly]
23:02 [ alice__ ] [ daja77] [ mnemoc_] [ praenti] [ rxr_] [ valentin ]
23:02 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 12 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal]
23:02 < jsaw> echo -n > even
23:03 < rxr_> of course ...
23:03 * rxr_ doing on the fly ...
23:03 < _Ragnar_> jsaw: do you know whether their math.h is complete?
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23:04 < rxr_> _Ragnar_: their math.h might be full os hc11 assembly ...
23:04 < jsaw> no
23:04 < rxr_> http://hubbard.engr.scu.edu/embedded/avr/avrlib/
23:04 < jsaw> it's not hc11 specific,
23:04 < jsaw> I only encountered newlib in that context.
23:04 < rxr_> Fixed-Point Math Library (basic operations only)
23:05 < rxr_> ^- avrlib
23:06 < _Ragnar_> newlib has floating point math optional
23:06 < _Ragnar_> anyway,bbl, food
23:07 < jsaw> find -type d
23:07 < jsaw> ./common
23:07 < jsaw> ./machine
23:07 < jsaw> ./machine/i386
23:07 < jsaw> ./math
23:07 < jsaw> ./mathfp
23:07 < jsaw> ./test
23:07 < jsaw> (libm of newlib)
23:11 -!- You're now known as rxr
23:12 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 100.00% (98 hits, 0 misses)
23:12 < rxr> == 01/25/05 23:07:05 =[9]=> Finished building package kiss.
23:12 < rxr> hwo I like this ... ;-)
23:13 < jsaw> hehe
23:14 < jsaw> tsts, pdf documentation generated from latex, and they do not use vector fonts...
23:15 < jsaw> one should tell RedHat to update the latex package...
23:33 < CIA-10> rene * r5793 /trunk/scripts/ (Build-Pkg Create-ErrList Create-UpdList Emerge-Pkg functions):
23:33 < CIA-10> * finished pkgchksum (do not checksum the directory, do not leak
23:33 < CIA-10> cat on directory errors and BSD find compatibility)
23:33 < CIA-10> * converted direct checksum creation to pkgchksum
23:33 < CIA-10> * converted Emerge-Pkg back to only build when the checksum changes
23:33 < CIA-10> (needs a -force switch to always build it)
23:33 < CIA-10> * converted some cat /dev/null > some files to echo -n > (...)
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23:46 < rxr> hi alice
23:46 [Users #t2]
23:46 [ _Ragnar_] [ alice__] [ daja77] [ mnemoc_] [ praenti] [ sparc-kly]
23:46 [ alice ] [ CIA-10 ] [ jsaw ] [ nzg ] [ rxr ] [ valentin ]
23:46 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 12 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal]
23:47 * rxr running a glibc make check on the sparc64 ...
23:47 < daja77> hm where is bob
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