--- Log opened Wed Jan 19 00:00:47 2005
00:16 < _Ragnar_> rehi
00:30 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: gdb-10-uclibc_arch_target.patch fails
00:33 < _Ragnar_> try changing netbsd*) to netbsd* | knetbsd*-gnu)
00:38 < _Ragnar_> doesn't work either tho, slightly different error: http://66.146.166.62/~loki/1-gdb.err
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01:01 < _Ragnar_> stupid ... readline itself compiles, just the PoS version that gdb insists on including instead of using the installed one barfs
01:17 < mnemoc> rehi
01:18 < _Ragnar_> thx
01:19 < mnemoc> do you have local diffs on uclibc dir?
01:21 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: ping
01:21 < _Ragnar_> pong
01:22 < _Ragnar_> what do you mean, local diffs?
01:22 < mnemoc> svn diff package/base/uclibc
01:22 < mnemoc> can you share config.log from that failed gdb?
01:23 < _Ragnar_> privmsg okay?
01:23 < mnemoc> how many jobs did you set?
01:23 < mnemoc> sure
01:23 < _Ragnar_> one, it fails with more
01:35 < mnemoc> Have you hunted ncurses problem?
01:39 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: before i patched uclibc to 'support' gdb, did it built for you?
01:41 < _Ragnar_> no
01:41 < mnemoc> at least, i thought i have break it
01:45 < _Ragnar_> doesn't seem so
01:48 < mnemoc> readline-5.0 is built, so if gdb use that instead of building it's own there should be no problem... i hope
01:49 < _Ragnar_> how do you tell gdb to use the builtin readline?
01:50 < mnemoc> that's what i want to discover :)
01:51 < _Ragnar_> good luck ;)
01:57 < mnemoc> checking for off_t... no
01:57 < mnemoc> configure: error: no termcap library found
01:57 < mnemoc> make: *** [configure-gdb] Error 1
01:57 < mnemoc> make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
01:57 < mnemoc> not only readline :\
01:58 < _Ragnar_> yeah, readline doesn't seem to want it
02:00 < mnemoc> let's fix ncurses :'(
02:05 < _Ragnar_> k
02:07 < _Ragnar_> hmmm with XLOCATE uclibc doesn't even compile :/
02:07 < _Ragnar_> XLOCALE
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02:09 < rxr> hi ideal 
02:14 < _Ragnar_> strange .... the uclibc buildroot includes ncurses?!?
02:17 < ideal> Hi, rxr:)
02:17 < ideal> It's morning here:)
02:18 < mnemoc> where?
02:19 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: BUILD_CC=$(TARGET_CC) HOSTCC=$(HOSTCC) \ <--- noticed this on their buildroot?
02:19 < rxr> mnemoc: new remlin here ...
02:19 < rxr> gremlin even
02:20 < rxr> first binutils sparc64 build failed
02:20 < rxr> manually it compiled
02:20 < rxr> and now it even build from within the build system
02:21 < mnemoc> i hate those second-try-it-built
02:22 < mnemoc> why failed on first time?
02:24 < rxr> typedef struct {    TW_UINT16  Count;  
02:24 < rxr> TWAIN is cool - this Count is unsigned - and this 1.9 Version of the TWAIN SPEC tells me to place a -1 in it ...
02:25 < rxr> you can imagine that the compiler (especially with -Weeror) likes that ...
02:25 < rxr> (how I hate such standards ...)
02:26 < _Ragnar_> *g*
02:27 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: meaning?
02:28 < mnemoc> they set the cross compiler were ncurses wants a native
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02:32 < rxr> I know hacked the wrapper away using no flist creation - let's see if this gets thru the build ...
02:33 < _Ragnar_> ah
02:33 < _Ragnar_> hmmm cc -o make_hash -O2  -I../ncurses -I.  -DNDEBUG -I. -I../include -I/export/t2-trunk/build/a32-2.1.0-beta3-x86-athlon-xp-32-cross-generic-expert/usr/include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DMAIN_PROGRAM ./tinfo/comp_hash.c <-
02:34 < _Ragnar_> shouldn't the cc be something different here, like build/a32-2.1.0-beta3-x86-athlon-xp-32-cross-generic-expert/usr/bin/i686-unknown-linux-uclibc-gcc ?
02:34 < mnemoc> no, becasue they use make_hash as a helper
02:35 < mnemoc> that's BUILD_CC
02:35 < mnemoc> if we use the cross compiler ther the output will not found it's libc.so
02:35 < _Ragnar_> then it should include /usr/include, not /export/t2-trunk/build/a32-2.1.0-beta3-x86-athlon-xp-32-cross-generic-expert/usr/include
02:36 < mnemoc> .oO
02:37 < mnemoc> it built :)
02:37 < _Ragnar_> what did you change?
02:37 < mnemoc> flood
02:37 < mnemoc> debug-ncurses:[ncurses]# cc -o make_hash -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I../ncurses -I. -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I../ncurses -I. -I. -I../include  -D_GNU_SOURCE -DNDEBUG -I/usr/src/building/t2/uboot/build/default-2.1.0-beta3-x86-pentium-32-uboot-expert/usr/include -O2 -DMAIN_PROGRAM ./tinfo/comp_hash.c
02:37 < mnemoc> /tmp/ccqmSFIk.o(.text+0x158): In function `parse_columns':
02:38 < mnemoc> : undefined reference to `__ctype_b'
02:38 < mnemoc> /tmp/ccqmSFIk.o(.text+0x1b5): In function `parse_columns':
02:38 < mnemoc> : undefined reference to `__ctype_b'
02:38 < mnemoc> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
02:38 < mnemoc> debug-ncurses:[ncurses]# cc -o make_hash -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I../ncurses -I. -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I../ncurses -I. -I. -I../include  -D_GNU_SOURCE -DNDEBUG -I/usr/include -O2 -DMAIN_PROGRAM ./tinfo/comp_hash.c
02:38 < mnemoc> debug-ncurses:[ncurses]#
02:38 < _Ragnar_> ah okay, yea
02:38 < _Ragnar_> I thought you had already fixed it in ncurses.conf ;)
02:38 < mnemoc> now i have to include that change on BUILDCC_FLAGS
02:38 < mnemoc> nah
02:40 < mnemoc> BUILD_CCFLAGS
02:41 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
02:42 < mnemoc> its building :)
02:42 < mnemoc> nice
02:42 < mnemoc> thanks you _Ragnar_  :)
02:43 < mnemoc> i'll commit asap
02:43 < _Ragnar_> thanks :)
02:48 < mnemoc> arg... damn patch
02:48 < mnemoc> give some minutes :\
02:49 < _Ragnar_> okay
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03:00 < rxr_> re
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03:01 < mnemoc> wb rxr_ 
03:01 -!- You're now known as rxr
03:01 < rxr> so
03:01 < rxr> these days the nightly reconnect @ 2:50 is a bit annoying
03:01 < rxr> shoudl shift it to 11:00 or so ...
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03:04 < rxr> hi sparc-kly 
03:04 < sparc-kly> hi rxr :D
03:04 < rxr> mnemoc: with the wrapper disabled (yes HEAD anyway) the packages build more reliable on the SPARC ...
03:04 < rxr> let's see how the next go ...
03:05 < mnemoc> what?!
03:06 < mnemoc> what wrapper you disabled?
03:06 < rxr> flist
03:06 < mnemoc> CIa has said nothing
03:06 < rxr> not committed ..
03:06 < rxr> just for local hacking ...
03:06 < mnemoc> :)
03:06 < mnemoc> you almost killed me
03:08 < rxr> oh - sorry, I keep more care next time ..
03:09 < mnemoc> this hasn't been a light day ;)
03:09 < rxr> you mean due to the glibc testing ?
03:09 < mnemoc> i have respwaing CPPFLAGS on ncurses :)
03:09 < mnemoc> brb
03:12 < mnemoc> re
03:18 < mnemoc> i hate smart ./configure-s
03:19 < rxr> how too smart ?
03:20 < mnemoc> i remove CFLAGS form BUILD_CCFLAGS and it adds the broken include to CPPFLAGS
03:23 < mnemoc> and my mouse sucks
03:23 < rxr> your mouse sucks ?
03:24 < mnemoc> mouse device from home desktop needs to be replaced
03:25 < rxr> hm - ic
03:25 < rxr> when was your birthday ,-)
03:26 < rxr> damn - I mod and mod and tweak my driver - and this photoshop thingi just does not want to get more than one scan at a time - quire vilating the TWAIN standard on any patch I open about that topic ... - damn commercial closed source stuff ...
03:28 < rxr> mnemoc: removing the flist wrapper got my sparc build back on track
03:28 < rxr> seems I'll have fun one day debugging that ...
03:31 < mnemoc> rxr: august ;)
03:32 < mnemoc> config.status:s,@CPPFLAGS@,-I. -I../include  -D_GNU_SOURCE -DNDEBUG -I$(includedir),;t t <--- this is my enemy
03:32 < mnemoc> BUILD_CC $includedir is different than CC's
03:32 < mnemoc> and configure want them to be the same
03:33 < rxr> btw I gave up messing in auto* crap too much
03:34 < rxr> if it takes longer than some minutes I just patch violent stuff away ...
03:35 < mnemoc> you mean patch Makefile isntead of Makefile.in on postconf ?
03:36 < rxr> haha - no ;-)
03:36 < rxr> I would either rape Makefile.in or the configure ...
03:36 < rxr> here, this is the SPEC:
03:36 < rxr>  Set the Capability to Specify the Number of Images the Application can Transfer  The capability that specifies how many images an application can receive during a TWAIN session is CAP_XFERCOUNT.  All Sources must support this capability.  Possible values for CAP_XFERCOUNT are: 
03:37 < rxr> if photojunk would just use it ...
03:42 < rxr> (and I still have not the promissed full version from Adobe - have to kick the trial version ...)
03:50 < rxr> http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2003/08/26/osx_scanners.html
04:03 < mnemoc> == 01/19/05 00:03:48 =[1]=> Finished building package ncurses.
04:04 < rxr> == 02:34:18 =[1]=> Building base/glibc [2.3.4-2004-12-24 2.1.0-beta3].
04:05 < rxr> ^- sparc64 U30@390 Mhz - where all is a bit slower
04:05 < rxr> 293Mhz even ...
04:05 < rxr> no 390 ...
04:07 < rxr> I hate TWAIN and Photoshopt ...
04:08 < CIA-10> mnemoc * r5661 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/patches/ (ncurses-100-buildccflags.patch ncurses.conf): * added uclibc patch and hack to build ncurses
04:32 < mnemoc> == 01/19/05 00:31:41 =[1]=> Finished building package nvi.
04:33 < CIA-10> mnemoc * r5662 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/patches/nvi-syssiglist.patch: * added uclibc patch for nvi
04:34 < rxr> have you patched ncurses or so that for a crossbuild it embedds the correct term database path string into the binary ?
04:34 < jsaw> good morning!
04:34 < rxr> hey jsaw !
04:34 < jsaw> hi rxr
04:35 < rxr> mnemoc: here this got implanted: /home/t2-trunk/build/system-2.1.0-beta3-sparc-v9-64-cross-desktop-expert/usr/share/terminfo
04:35 < rxr> but I can also look into it ...
04:35 < mnemoc> rxr: no, i didn't patched ncurses, i just hacked helpers build
04:35 < CIA-10> mnemoc * r5663 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/config-650.in: * removed pkgfilter to avoid ncurses and nvi on stage1 with uclibc, we have nothing to fear now
04:36 < rxr> # nvi
04:36 < rxr> Error opening terminal: screen.
04:36 < rxr> ...
04:36 < jsaw> hi mnemoc 
04:36 < mnemoc> hi jsaw 
04:36 < rxr> jsaw: how are you?
04:37 < jsaw> I slept long, and am quite relaxed and fine now.
04:37 < rxr> cool!
04:38 < mnemoc> # grep -lR 't2/uboot' build/default-2.1.0-beta3-x86-pentium-32-uboot-expert/usr/ | wc -l
04:38 < mnemoc>     450
04:38 < mnemoc> t2/boot is part of my $xroot
04:38 < mnemoc> t2/uboot*
04:39 < jsaw> ?
04:39 < mnemoc> and with | grep -v term
04:39 < mnemoc> 123
04:40 < mnemoc> that means 123 files (not part of ncurses) have $xroot hardcoded somewhere
04:40 < rxr> not all need to be bad ..
04:41 < rxr> this is the drawback of setting prefix=/ instead of properly using DESTDIR ....
04:41 < rxr> on my todo ....
04:41 < rxr> post 2.1 ...
04:41 < mnemoc> :)
04:41 < jsaw> even gawk has xroot hardcoded
04:42 < mnemoc> do you see something aditional to "ncurses install killing bash" on TODO for beta3?
04:42 < rxr> oehm - welll
04:42 < rxr> yes
04:43 < rxr> root passwd in stone
04:43 < rxr> keyboard layout i stone
04:43 < mnemoc> oh, i forogot that
04:43 < rxr> install-cd bootup for you ;-)
04:43 < mnemoc> `stone setup`
04:43 < mnemoc> for beta3?
04:44 < rxr> which one do you question ?
04:44 < mnemoc> install-cd bootup
04:45 < rxr> I mean the old normal one
04:45 < mnemoc> i built boot-r5655 on another machine today, with the same f.cking SSP problem
04:46 < rxr> diet in stage 0 ?
04:46 < mnemoc> i wanted minimal/uclibc too but i see it very distant now
04:47 < mnemoc> i hope targetdriven package helps me with bootdisk/SSP
04:48 < _Ragnar_> rehi
04:49 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: hi, good news, ncurses builds. bad news gdb don't.
04:49 < _Ragnar_> gdb is such a PoS
04:49 < mnemoc> i want to hack it removing readline from it
04:50 < _Ragnar_> so do we have a different debugger?
04:50 < mnemoc> rm -rf readline on preconf, and patch #include-s "readline/readline.h" to point to system's
04:50 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: strace?
04:53 < mnemoc> ltrace maybe, but i don't know how that will go with uclibc
04:53 < _Ragnar_> strace only does system calls, that won't work with segfaults at all
04:53 < rxr> oh my
04:53 < rxr> COL4828.sit (140 MB)
04:53 < rxr> 140 MB for a scanner driver ?!?!?!?!?!
04:54 < rxr> mine is 350kB ....
04:54 < rxr> I mean - what should I do to it to blow it to 140MB ?!?!?!
04:54 < rxr> add 139MB of example images ?!?!?
04:54 < mnemoc> yours doesn't include the required fancy stuff
04:54 < rxr> like?
04:54 < rxr> example images ?
04:54 < rxr> lovely girl on the beach?
04:54 < rxr> sport card in the lighht ?
04:55 < mnemoc> 3D wizard
04:55 < rxr> s/card/car/
04:55 < mnemoc> with different girls supporting your scanning experience
04:55 < rxr> ah - those Microsoft dogs, smilies and wizards walkign over the screen ?
04:56 < rxr> does the Windows XP dog bark a bit? or maybe the wizard did start talking ?
04:56 < mnemoc> no idea ;)
04:56 < mnemoc> OT: grep gelf.h /var/adm/flists/*
04:57 < rxr> /var/adm/flists/libelf:libelf: usr/include/gelf.h
04:57 < rxr> /var/adm/flists/libelf:libelf: usr/include/libelf/gelf.h
04:57 < mnemoc> thanks
04:57 < rxr> oh - my god:
04:57 < rxr> HP Scanjet 8200 series scanner - (English) Glass Cleaning Manual 
04:57 < rxr> (PDF, 0.21MB)
04:57 < rxr> windows users need instructions for this?
04:58 < mnemoc> where does it say "Windows" ?
04:59 < jsaw> all windows user need instructions about cleaning glass at least _once_ in their life...
04:59 < jsaw> I have about 8 windows here...
04:59 < mnemoc> :D
05:00 < jsaw> :)
05:00 < rxr> damn - I should dumping the mp3 live streams on disk the whole day - I just have some song I most probably not get that soon again ....
05:02 < rxr> hm - the HP user manual has not one screenshot ...
05:03 < rxr> and many pages not any illustration - looks like a '80 DOS manual ...
05:04 < rxr> Scanning multiple images has never been easier with ... Adobe PhotoSho
05:04 < rxr> ??
05:05 < rxr> well - no wonder when this thing violates the TWAIN standard and does ignore all the hints I throw into it ...
05:06 < mnemoc> == 01/19/05 01:05:53 =[1]=> Finished building package ltrace. :)
05:07 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: now you have a debugger
05:07 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: alter libelf and ltrace .desc to build on stage 1
05:07 < CIA-10> mnemoc * r5664 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/patches/ltrace.conf: * added uclibc hack to build ltrace
05:08 < mnemoc> that last hack was dirty
05:08 < mnemoc> ln -s linux-gnu sysdeps/linux-uclibc
05:08 < rxr> mnemoc: do you want me to review all the uclibc hacks you commit ? Or can I as a dietlibc supported just ignore them ?
05:09 < mnemoc> rxr: sure, review
05:09 < rxr> ahhhhh
05:09 < rxr> why did I ask ...
05:09 < rxr> http://www.canr.uconn.edu/nusci/images/scanning.pdf
05:09 < mnemoc> :p
05:09 < rxr> ^- is scanning w/ photoshop that difficult that one need some powerpoitn slides for it ?
05:10 < rxr> damn - this pdf describes (for windows) how I want PS to bahave
05:10 < rxr> that the hell do I do to it that is just closes my driver after one page ...
05:10 < mnemoc> now i can go to bed in peace knowing rene will find any problem on my commits i could have injected :D
05:11 < rxr> I mean now throw any hint I found in the TWAIN SPEC for multi page scans into it ...
05:13 < rxr> wee - my sparc64 glibc is installing ...
05:14 < rxr> building since 02:34:18 
05:14 < mnemoc> uhm, ltrace doesn't support -E
05:14 < mnemoc> [01:14:06] <rxr> building since 02:34:18
05:14 < rxr> 05:16:12
05:14 < rxr> well ..
05:14 < rxr> that makes nearly 3 hours, no? ...
05:15 < mnemoc> yes :)
05:15 < mnemoc> it takes 1 hour here
05:15 < rxr> how I hate that beast ...
05:15 < rxr> I posted the hardware specs ...
05:16 < jsaw> aaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
05:17 < rxr> and I'm happy about that sparc ....
05:17 < rxr> I had a slower one before ...
05:17 < jsaw> *GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR*
05:17 < mnemoc> jsaw: ?
05:17 < rxr> ?
05:17 < jsaw> dlclose(libc_handle);
05:17 < mnemoc> how could you know when to close it?
05:17 < jsaw> it shouldn't be closed, but it is closed...
05:18 < mnemoc> oh
05:18 < jsaw> == 04:20:27 =[2]=> Building base/binutils [2.15.94.0.1 2.1.0-beta3].
05:18 < jsaw> uboot
05:18 < mnemoc> :D
05:18 < rxr> what have I missed?
05:19 < rxr> my brain is currently task switched to TWAIN mess ...
05:19 < mnemoc> we were closing an static var :)
05:19 < mnemoc> jsaw: patch .c.sh too please :D
05:20 < rxr> jsaw: how did you notice, found out and in which way does a problem from it manifest ?
05:20 < mnemoc> i don't even saw that dlclose
05:21 < jsaw> it found the symbol "open" but subsequent dlsym for "fopen" failed...
05:21 < mnemoc> i sayd that long time ago ;) mr. uclibc told me that fopen was transparently remapped to fopen64 and blah blah blah
05:22 < CIA-10> jsaw * r5665 /trunk/misc/tools-source/ (fl_wrapper.c fl_wrapper.c.sh): * do not close the libc_handle
05:22 < mnemoc> so i just depressed
05:22 < rxr> me wondering if this would affeact my sparc64 radom wrapper crashes ...
05:22 < jsaw> for sure
05:22 < mnemoc> :D
05:22 < rxr> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh
05:23 < rxr> == 01/19/05 04:16:48 =[1]=> Aborted building package glibc.
05:23 < jsaw> I wonder that GNU libc didn't crash more often
05:23 < jsaw> ?
05:23 < rxr> !> /bin/sh: no: command not found
05:23 < rxr> ??
05:23 < mnemoc> no?
05:23 < jsaw> weird days...
05:24 < jsaw> stages 012 are *VERY* sensitive to rebuilds
05:24 < mnemoc> you saved my day jsaw :D
05:24 < rxr> no libm-err-tab.pl $pwd/.. > libm-err-tmp/bin/sh: no: command not found
05:24 < rxr> what the shit f*ckking hell
05:24 < rxr> why did this never manifest before ...
05:24 < rxr> and why now that my u30 jsut built the damn glibc junk for 3 hours ...
05:24 < mnemoc> dlclose doesn't close inmediatly?
05:25 < jsaw> mnemoc: seems so in GNU libc...
05:25 < rxr> do you have a no after a stage 0-1 build ?
05:25 < rxr> aka cross ?
05:26 < jsaw> not in uboot
05:26 < mnemoc> grep '^no ' build/boot-2.1.0-beta3-x86-pentium-32-bootdisk-expert/var/adm/logs/1-glibc.log | wc -l
05:26 < mnemoc> 0
05:26 < rxr> oehm
05:26 < rxr> I have none on my system at all ...
05:27 < rxr> a yes is present after a stage 0-1 build ...
05:27 < mnemoc> ?
05:28 < rxr> ??
05:28 < mnemoc> does no exist?
05:28 < mnemoc> yes 'n' 
05:28 < rxr> ack
05:28 < rxr> no no on my system
05:28 < rxr> only yes
05:29 < mnemoc> *g*
05:30 < mnemoc> == 04:29:43 =[2]=> Building base/gcc [3.4.3 2.1.0-beta3].
05:30  * mnemoc loves george :D
05:30 < mnemoc> .oO( in good sense )o
05:30 < rxr> .oO
05:31 < jsaw> :D
05:31 < rxr> (move-if-change)
05:32 < rxr> $(move-if-change)
05:32 < rxr> ^- evaluates to no ?
05:32 < mnemoc> o_O
05:32 < mnemoc> weird day
05:32 < rxr> # scripts we use
05:32 < rxr> ifndef move-if-change
05:32 < rxr> move-if-change = ./move-if-change
05:32 < rxr> endif
05:32 < rxr> ???
05:32 < rxr> hello - shit f*cking - glibc - why are you as broken as Photoshop and why did you just wasted 3h of my SPARC CPU cycles ...
05:33 < jsaw> have to reloc myself into lab... cu later
05:33 < rxr> cu
05:33 < mnemoc> i'll go to bed
05:33 < rxr> so - we fixed two flwrapper bugs today ... ;-)
05:33 < mnemoc> cu both
05:33 < rxr> not bad ;-)
05:34 < rxr> cu mnemoc sleep well
05:34 < mnemoc> it was an stressing but productive day
05:34 < rxr> not for me if I do not get Photoshop to accept more thatn one image ...
05:34 < mnemoc> :D
05:34 < rxr> noone with Photoshop source at hand ?
05:35 < mnemoc> the day ends when the sun rise :)
05:35 < rxr> yeah - or even later
05:35 < mnemoc> and you have a winter-bonus
05:35 < rxr> *lol*
05:35 < mnemoc> gn8 :D
05:36 < rxr> n8 mnemoc 
05:36 < mnemoc> good luck with your registered photoshop
05:36 < rxr> ,-)
05:43 < rxr> ouhm - my osx trash hat over 4000 "items" I do not want to know how many MB that hooked up ...
05:45 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: uhm ... why is it building glibc now?
05:47 < _Ragnar_> (or trying to)
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05:50 < _Ragnar_> hm nevermind, I think I messes that up
05:52 < rxr> damn I should have docmuented how to run parts of this ugly glibc Makefile constructions
05:52 < rxr> the last time it took me quite some time to find out ...
05:52 < rxr> at least I should get fresh rolls soon ...
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05:54 < rxr> temp ?
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05:58 < jsaw> re
05:59 < rxr> ok - to document it this time ...
05:59 < rxr> make srcdir=. objdir=$PWD/objdir -C subdir
06:04 < rxr> jsaw: any idea how to debug makefile assignments ?
06:04 < jsaw> ouhm...
06:07 < _Ragnar_> gdb?:)
06:07 < jsaw> http://www.spiegel.de/unispiegel/wunderbar/0,1518,336842,00.html
06:07 < jsaw> tststs
06:07 < rxr> yeah - do you want a luser login and try ?
06:08 < _Ragnar_> omg
06:08 < jsaw> rxr:http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/make3/chapter/ch12.pdf
06:08 < rxr> good that I have not yet meet those here in berlin
06:08 < jsaw> Chapter 12: Debugging Makefiles
06:10 < rxr> oh - let me test
06:11 < jsaw> == 05:13:13 =[3]=> Building x86/bin86 [0.16.16 2.1.0-beta3].
06:11 < jsaw> ^-- uboot
06:13 < rxr> mnemoc will even fall more in love with your ....
06:14 < jsaw> hehe
06:14 < jsaw> I wonder how this dlclose could stay there without being discovered for so long... 
06:14 < jsaw> <- loosing even more confidence in glibc.
06:18 < rxr> move-if-change = ./move-if-change
06:18 < rxr> hm
06:18 < rxr> ...
06:18 < jsaw> does this ./move* exist?
06:19 < rxr> hm - well - not really there - good catch!
06:23 < jsaw> == 01/19/05 05:24:55 =[3]=> Finished building package perl.
06:23 < jsaw> seems like the rest of the uclibc build is straight forward
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06:26 < rxr> nice to hear
06:36 < _Ragnar_> hmmm when I boot with init=/bin/bash ... how do I get job control (like ctrl+c & ctrl+z) working?
06:36 < rxr> and now my sparc freezed ...
06:36 < rxr> wonderful
06:36 < rxr> I still suspect it is my fridge that sucks too much power or so ...
06:36 < jsaw> _Ragnar_: launch another shell?
06:37 < _Ragnar_> how?
06:38 < jsaw> type "/bin/bash" on the command line I meant
06:38 < jsaw> maybe even /bin/bash --login or so
06:39 < _Ragnar_> doesn't work, already tried that
06:40 < jsaw> then I'm afraid I have no idea...
06:43 < jsaw> http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/05/01/18/2157249.shtml
06:43 < jsaw> *muahahahaha*
06:43 < rxr> I need some in-line UPS for the sparc ...
06:44 < rxr> and a 13w3 <-> vga15 converter and a LCD ....
06:45 < rxr> jsaw: oh my godness ...
06:45 < rxr> t2 4.0 written in XML ?
06:45 < rxr> maybe you could add it on the roadmap ...
06:45 < jsaw> someass^somebody wanted to say something intelligent...
06:46 < jsaw> guess, MS will pick this up happily
06:46 < jsaw> rxr: ok, wait, opening wiki
06:46 < jsaw> :)
06:47 < rxr> yeah - now they plan to sell their office xml SPEC ...
06:51 < _Ragnar_> btw any idea on fixing the PATH_MAX error on 64 ?
06:52 < rxr> with which libc was that ? *g*
06:52 < _Ragnar_> glibc ;)
06:52 < _Ragnar_> should I try uclibc?;)))
06:52 < jsaw> hehe
06:53 < rxr> _Ragnar_: I saw s.th. simillar on sparc64 right now
06:53 < rxr> can that wait some time until my sparc builds a bit further and I can track it ?
06:54 < _Ragnar_> it happens with linux-header already
06:54 < rxr> oh - there too?
06:54 < rxr> interesting ...
06:54 < rxr> on sparc64 it is the same
06:54 < _Ragnar_> stage 0
06:54 < _Ragnar_> yeah
06:54 < rxr> I wanted it to build and just added it to the next handy system header ;-)
06:54 < rxr> (sometimes I can be evil ...)
06:54 < rxr> I wanted to look into that later ...
06:55 < rxr> but glibc builds for you and does not break with "no" not found ?
06:55 < _Ragnar_> it didn't barf in the cross-build, no
06:55 < _Ragnar_> can't compile it natively since there are no kernel headers
06:55 < rxr> the cross built for me, too
06:55 < rxr> both on x86-64 and sparc64 ...
06:55 < rxr> well - I came over the header with some evil hack ...
06:56 < _Ragnar_> anyway, PATH_MAX should be in linux/include
06:56 < rxr> damn - I do not believe this
06:57 < rxr> the sparc frooze again
07:00 < rxr> it never frooze in that shortly intervals ...
07:00 < _Ragnar_> it freezes?
07:00 < _Ragnar_> put a blanket on it:)
07:01 < rxr> hm
07:01 < rxr> and photoshop violates the TWAIN SPEC even more ...
07:01 < rxr> how should I work with such stuff ...
07:01 < _Ragnar_> use gimp?
07:04 < rxr> well - I do not think I can tell my licensors to stop using photoshop or M$ Office for accesing the scanner ...
07:04 < rxr> if I wanna see money ....
07:05 < rxr> .oO(look - there is this nice bundled graphic suite - The GIMP - it works liek a charme)
07:05 < rxr> ;-)
07:05 < _Ragnar_> *g*
07:06 < _Ragnar_> problem with adobe is that it's a big monolith, and telling them 'you don't keep to the specs' is probably going to have the same effect like smashing that monolith with a teaspoon
07:06 < rxr> and it is even way faster, nicer, usable and so on ...
07:06 < _Ragnar_> :D
07:08 < rxr> I never imagined how slow stuff can be on a 800Mhz PowerPC CPU w/ 640MB RAM
07:08 < rxr> until I installed Photoshop ...
07:08 < _Ragnar_> omg;)
07:08 < rxr> zooming in the images feels like on a 386 ...
07:08 < rxr> no - wait - Harward Graphics was way faster
07:09 < rxr> and I think even this Coral Draw 3.0 or so I had running in Windows 3.11 was faster ...
07:09 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
07:09 < rxr> I'm talking about e.g. zooming my mouse cursors 16x16 pixels ...
07:09 < rxr> takes nearly 0.5 seconds  to zoom the window ...
07:10 < rxr> e.g. feels very lagging ...
07:10 < _Ragnar_> that sounds like shotting cruise missiles at sparrows
07:10 < _Ragnar_> shooting*
07:10 < rxr> well - other stuff is even slower ...
07:11 < _Ragnar_> ah now I tried Build-Pkg glibc and got your 'no' error
07:12  * _Ragnar_ says 'no' to glibc;P
07:12 < rxr> cool
07:12 < rxr> with two long nights of trial and error I can now inject multiple images into photoshop
07:13 < rxr> although this heavily violates the TWAIN spec ..
07:13 < rxr> as long as it works ....
07:15 < rxr> so - I guess the next is to track why Microsft Office products crash when they close my driver ...
07:15 < rxr> at least they are in another way buggy - they even crash with the Apple example TWAIN code ...*g*
07:15 < rxr> in the same ::Close() way ...
07:21 < _Ragnar_> *rolf*
07:21 < _Ragnar_> *rofl*
07:21 < rxr> IBM macht mehr als 3 Milliarden US-Dollar Gewinn
07:21 < rxr> IBM macht mehr als 3 Milliarden US-Dollar Gewinn
07:21 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/55278
07:21 < rxr> (damn osx - even cut'n paste is annoying ..)
07:22 < rxr> do we reallly need such boring "news"?:
07:22 < rxr>  Dual Booting Linux on a Mac
07:22 < rxr>   Posted by Eugenia Loli-Queru on 2005-01-19 04:11:21 UTC
07:22 < rxr> What happens when you turn a perfectly good Apple PowerBook into a tri-boot system with Mac OS X, Yellow Dog Linux, and Ubuntu Linux? Read on to find out.
07:23 < rxr> http://news.com.com/Darwin+flaws+survive+in+Apples+Mac+OS+X/2100-1002_3-5540955.html?tag=nefd.top
07:24 < _Ragnar_> ooh
07:25 < _Ragnar_> mv -f termios.c.texi.new termios.c.texi
07:25 < _Ragnar_> pwd=`pwd`; \
07:25 < _Ragnar_> /usr/bin/pe
07:25 < _Ragnar_> oops
07:25 < _Ragnar_> /usr/bin/perl libm-err-tab.pl $pwd/.. > libm-err-tmp
07:25 < _Ragnar_> ^ that's what it's trying to call
07:26 < _Ragnar_> so /usr/bin/perl -> no
07:26 < rxr> hm - there is that move-if-modified or what it was in the makefile ...
07:26 < rxr> what is your exact error output ?
07:27 < rxr> (me quickly to the bakery ...)
07:27 < _Ragnar_> no libm-err-tab.pl $pwd/.. > libm-err-tmp
07:27 < _Ragnar_> //bin/sh: no: command not found
07:29 < rxr> how did you find out it wants perl? 
07:29 < _Ragnar_> compared to a clean build on another systek
07:29 < _Ragnar_> system*
07:29 < jsaw> bbl, cu
07:29 < _Ragnar_> cu
07:31 < CIA-9> jsaw * r5666 /trunk/target/uboot/pkgsel: * 5-linux26 needs "cmp" command which is part of diffutils
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07:59 < rxr> hi mipe 
08:00 < mipe> hi rxr
08:10  * _Ragnar_ sighs
08:12 < rxr> _Ragnar_: ?
08:14 < _Ragnar_> still no step further on the a64
08:14 < rxr> due to glibc ?
08:14 < _Ragnar_> dunno
08:15 < _Ragnar_> to me it seems more like a compiler config error
08:15 < rxr> why ?
08:15 < _Ragnar_> well, usually gcc will include it's limits.h, then that will include_next the /usr/include/limits.h, correct?
08:18 < _Ragnar_> but here, gcc won't even look at /usr/include/limits.h
08:36 < mipe> chroot .
08:36 < mipe> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
08:36 < mipe> ldd bin/bash
08:36 < mipe> /usr/bin/ldd: line 1: bin/bash: Accessing a corrupted shared library
08:36 < mipe> :)
08:38  * mipe at coffee break
08:39 < rxr> mipe: is it a 32bit ldd you use to identify bash
08:39 < rxr> coffee is an excellent idea ..
08:48 < jsaw> re
08:50 < mipe> rxr:hmm,no? how can i check that
08:51 < rxr> whas is your currently running system?
08:51 < rxr> file /usr/bin/ldd
08:51 < mipe> file /usr/bin/ldd
08:51 < mipe> /usr/bin/ldd: Bourne shell script text executable
08:52 < rxr> aha
08:52 < mipe> currently using gentoo x86_64
08:54 < rxr> chrot ..... /lib/ld-linux.so.2
08:57 < mipe> chroot?
08:57 < rxr> yes
08:57 < mipe> chroot: cannot run command `/lib/ld-linux.so.2': No such file or directory
08:59 < rxr> hm
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09:35 < rxr> now xcode crashed
09:35 < rxr> wonderful
09:36 < rxr> for the usual case where I get reproduceable "Internal Error: Exception: out of range" ...
09:38 < rxr> Send to Apple text:
09:38 < rxr> I often accidently hit the well knon "find next" Internal Error: Exception: out of bounds ... when one hit's "find next" in a window where the find was not initiated or nothing was found before.
09:38 < rxr> VERY ANNOYING! - Especially when one accidetly hits Quit instead of continue since it is at the usual "Ok - do not loose data position".
09:38 < rxr> This itme Xcode crashed - please fix this annoying bug, soon.
10:01 < _Ragnar_> goodnight folks
10:02 < rxr> cu _Ragnar_ 
10:02 < nzg> n8 _Ragnar_ 
10:02 < nzg> moin
10:02 < rxr> hi nzg 
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10:21 < jsaw> Error logs from uboot-2.1.0-beta3-x86-pentium-mmx-32-uboot-expert:
10:21 < jsaw>  [5] database/bdb                        [5] filesystem/reiserfsprogs
10:21 < jsaw> 102 builds total, 100 completed fine, 2 with errors.
10:21 < rxr> ;-)
10:21 < rxr> contrats
10:21 < rxr> congrats even
10:21 < jsaw> yep, that's nice
10:21 < rxr> your bugfix also seems to have stabelized glibc builds on sparc ...
10:22 < jsaw> great!
10:22 < rxr> at least (aside from the strange freezes that I always get from time to time - damn hardware)
10:22 < rxr> it did not random segfault so far ...
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10:24 < rxr> aaarg
10:31 < rxr> (just build a glibc on the sparc which failed at the manual again ...)
10:32 < rxr> because I did not save the modified glibc.conf or so ..
10:32 < rxr> no idea where my changes got left ...
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11:01 < jsaw|CIA> scripts/Create-CkSumPatch:
11:01 < jsaw|CIA> * correctly handle changes to [D] tag resp. changed usage of source_file
11:01 < jsaw|CIA> package/graphic/afpl-ghostscript:
11:01 < jsaw|CIA> * add AFPL licensed (commercial) ghostscript (8.50)
11:01 < jsaw|CIA> package/graphic/afpl-ghostpcl
11:01 < jsaw|CIA>  * add AFPL licensed ghostpcl (1.40)
11:02 < jsaw|CIA> package/graphic/gpl-ghostscript:
11:02 < jsaw|CIA> * add GPL'd ghostscript (8.15)
11:02 < jsaw|CIA> package/graphic/ghostscript/ghostscript.desc:
11:02 < jsaw|CIA>         * remove comments about GPL/AFPL versions of ghostscript,
11:02 < jsaw|CIA>           as these are available as seperate packages now:
11:02 < jsaw|CIA>           {gpl,afpl}-ghostscript and afpl-ghostpcl
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11:05 < rxr> hm?
11:05 < jsaw> CIA is gone, somehow it's got network problems... so I did its job
11:05 < rxr> seems now that you have done the uclib hacking it is mnemoc turn to do KGB soon ,-)
11:06 < jsaw> try http://cia.navi.cx
11:06 < jsaw> hehe
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11:07 < jsaw> ah, back
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11:07 < rxr> jsaw: you noticed we already registed KGB ?
11:07 < jsaw> I read it, yes ;)
11:08 < rxr> I like the idea ,-)
11:08 < rxr> I need some pult where I can typo standing ...
11:08 < rxr> sitting 24 hours somehow hurts the body ...
11:08 < jsaw> yep
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11:22 < jeru> Bonjour
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11:24 < jsaw> hi jeru 
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11:26 < freed_> hi
11:29 < jsaw> hi freed_ 
11:31 < jeru> hi jsaw
11:33 < jeru> jsaw: do you know a reason why we use the apache prefix for the svn package? I'd like to change it.
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11:39 < rxr> jsaw: because svn utilizes apr ..
11:39 < rxr> jeru: even ... ;-)
11:39 < rxr> I tought it would be cleaner this way ...
11:39 < rxr> jeru: but feel free to change that ...
11:47 < jeru> hi rxr
11:51 < jeru> I already changed the prefix to '/usr' and fixed the install path for the python bindings to '$PYTHONDIR/site-packages/svn'
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12:12 < jsaw> rxr: xfce update, however untested.
12:12 < jsaw> +d
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12:14 < rxr> jsaw: M-)
12:15 < jsaw> okay, gone now. cu later
12:17 < rxr> cu
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12:40  * rxr soon off sleeping
12:49 < rxr> glibc is cool:
12:49 < rxr> checking for perl... no
12:49 < rxr> and then using "no" as perl ?
12:49 < rxr> (echo "dietlibc only system as soon as possible" ; cat TODO) > TODO- ; mv TODO- TODO
12:50 < rxr> and why the hell do the glibc freaks need to preprocess stuff with perl ...
12:50  * daja77 likes the maybe output more
12:50 < rxr> can't they just write plain C ... *gggrr*
12:50 < rxr> checkinf for beer in the fridge ...
12:51 < rxr> I think I'll add some funny stuff to the macosx configure ... ;-)
12:51 < rxr> macosd even ...
12:52 < rxr>   test -z "$ac_cv_path_PERL" && ac_cv_path_PERL="no"
12:52 < rxr> if test -n "$PERL"; then
12:52 < rxr>   echo "$as_me:$LINENO: result: $PERL" >&5
12:52 < rxr> else
12:52 < rxr>   echo "$as_me:$LINENO: result: no" >&5
12:52 < rxr> fi
12:53 < rxr> hm - the .in code is:
12:53 < rxr> if test "$PERL" != no &&
12:53 < rxr>    (eval `$PERL -V:apiversion`; test `expr "$apiversion" \< 5` -ne 0); then
12:53 < rxr>   PERL=no
12:53 < rxr> fi
12:53 < rxr> why don't hey error out ?!?!?!
12:53 < rxr> king Ullrich Drepper and his dunkk ...
13:04 < rxr> jsaw: all xfce patches as singles change sets?
13:04 < rxr> do you push the commit graph intentionally ?
13:06 < rxr> jsaw: so far no sparc64 problem with your new wraper bugfix - thanks alot
13:06  * rxr preparing to - leave - e.g. into bed...
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14:13 < rxr> n8 all
14:20 < mnemoc> moin
14:33 < jsaw> re
14:33 < jsaw> hi mnemoc 
14:33 < mnemoc> re jsaw :)
14:34 < jsaw> mnemoc:
14:34 < jsaw> 10:23 < jsaw> Error logs from uboot-2.1.0-beta3-x86-pentium-mmx-32-uboot-expert:
14:34 < jsaw> 10:23 < jsaw>  [5] database/bdb                        [5] 
14:34 < jsaw>               filesystem/reiserfsprogs
14:34 < jsaw> 10:23 < jsaw> 102 builds total, 100 completed fine, 2 with errors.
14:34 < mnemoc> :D
14:34 < mnemoc> ESC[35;1m== 05:26:46 =[3]=> Building base/ltrace [0.3.36 2.1.0-beta3].ESC[0m
14:34 < mnemoc> ESC[32;1m->ESC[0m Parallel build using 4 jobs enabled.
14:34 < mnemoc> ESC[32;1m->ESC[0m Compiler Cache enabled: 7.68% cache hits so far in ccache.chroot.
14:34 < mnemoc> ESC[32;1m->ESC[0m Preparing build in src.ltrace.1106112405.29648.0
14:34 < mnemoc> ESC[32;1m->ESC[0m Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/3-ltrace.out
14:34 < mnemoc> File size limit exceeded
14:34 < mnemoc> File size limit exceeded
14:34 < jsaw> hehe
14:35 < mnemoc> s/ESC[^m]*m//
14:37 < mnemoc> jsaw: do you have errlogs to show me? ;)
14:38 < jsaw> reiserfs:
14:38 < jsaw> prints.c:11:20: printf.h: No such file or directory
14:38 < jsaw> bdb:
14:38 < jsaw> checking build system type... Invalid configuration `i586-unknown-linux-uclibc':
14:38 < jsaw>  machine `i586-unknown-linux' not recognized
14:38 < jsaw> configure: error: /bin/sh ../dist/config.sub i586-unknown-linux-uclibc failed
14:39 < mnemoc> that fix is automatized on parse-config-9
14:39 < mnemoc> wtf is printf.h ?
14:39 < jsaw> *no idea*
14:40 < jsaw> gotta go on with experiments... cu later
14:41 < mnemoc> cu, and THANKS
14:41 < jsaw> last note:
14:41 < jsaw> :glibc: usr/include/printf.h
14:41 < mnemoc> aha
14:41 < jsaw> welcome, cu later
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15:01 < mnemoc> wb CIA-9 
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16:02 < mnemoc_> he changed his vote :D
16:02 < mnemoc_> never seen before :)
16:02 < jsaw> so it was the "T2" thing...
16:02 < mnemoc_> :p
16:02 < jsaw> tststs
16:03 < mnemoc_> QM_MODULES function not implemented :\
16:03 < mnemoc_> snif snif snif
16:03 < jsaw> oh yeah... I had it too, but when and why ... damn volatile memory
16:04 < mnemoc_> i get it every time on a just installed minimal/rene
16:04 < jsaw> oh
16:06 < jsaw> cu you a bit later.
16:06 < valentin> mnemoc_: how about "patch used in T2 with kind permission of the ROCK project"
16:11 < mnemoc_> valentin: we need to resolve what to do with our copyright headers
16:17 < valentin> our == T2   or    our == T2 + ROCK patches
16:17 < valentin> ?
16:17 < mnemoc_> both
16:20 < valentin> i think we had some solutions - we only have too decide
16:20 < mnemoc_> we need to decide asap
16:24 < valentin> i still think jsaws solution is good
16:25 < valentin> --- T2-COPYRIGHT-NOTE-BEGIN ---
16:25 < valentin> auto-generated by ./scripts/Create-CopyPatch.
16:25 < valentin> @@FILENAME@@
16:25 < valentin> Copyright (C) 2004 - `date +%Y` The T2 SDE Project
16:25 < valentin> @@ROCK-LINUX COPYRIGHTS IF APPLICABLE@@
16:25 < valentin> More information can be found in the file README.
16:25 < valentin> This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
16:25 < valentin> it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
16:25 < valentin> the Free Software Foundation; version 2 of the License. A copy of the
16:25 < valentin> GNU General Public License can be found in the file COPYING.
16:25 < valentin> --- T2-COPYRIGHT-NOTE-END ---
16:25 < valentin> something like that
16:25 < valentin> or do you dislike the fact, that you cannot send patches containing this (C) to submaster ?
16:26 < mnemoc_> if i send something to submaster it's never copy-pasted
16:26 < valentin> so you have a script i guess ?
16:26 < mnemoc_> most are 'kind constributions' like dlclose() ;)
16:27 < mnemoc_> there is an script misc/archive/compare.sh which removes copyright, but i haven't reallly used it
16:28 < mnemoc_> actualy i had not sent patches to submaster in a long time
16:28 < mnemoc_> and now i just updated clip due to mirroring problems and openvpn
16:30 < mnemoc_> returning to copyright thing, i'm not sure if '@@ROCK-LINUX COPYRIGHTS IF APPLICABLE@@' is doable
16:31 < mnemoc_> without tagging a different NOTE
16:31 < valentin> why - everything that has a revision number smaller than the fork revision gets ROCK-LINUX stuff
16:31 < mnemoc_> and stolen stuff like java?
16:31 < valentin> and the few patches "stolen" from rock since then --  ehrm ...
16:31 < mnemoc_> :)
16:31 < mnemoc_> --- T2{,-ROCK}-COPYRIGHT-NOTE-BEGIN ---
16:32 < mnemoc_> we seem (at least jsaw and me) to be trying to keep the link with them
16:33 < mnemoc_> and i*
16:33 < valentin> if (svn revision < x) print T2-ROCK
16:34 < valentin> else if (svn user in jsaw,mnemoc) print T2-ROCK with probability 30%
16:34 < mnemoc_> :p
16:35 < mnemoc_> what do you see against {T2,T2-ROCK}-COPYRIGHT-NOTE ?
16:35 < mnemoc_> automated on first run based on current NOTE
16:35 < valentin> nothing except that rxr wanted to have only one iirc
16:36 < mnemoc_> he went to bed 2 hours ago.... i'll have to wait to see his answer i guess
16:36 < valentin> i think he'll sleep a long time
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17:02 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5698 /trunk/package/java/ (7 files in 3 dirs): * imported blackdown-{jre,jdk} (1.4.2-01 x86_32) from ROCKLinux
17:04 < daja77> mnemoc_: i don't think it was rejected because it was a t2 patch ...
17:04 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5699 /trunk/package/java/tomcat/ (. honor-jre-home.diff tomcat.conf tomcat.desc): * imported tomcat (5.5.4) from ROCKLinux
17:04 < mnemoc_> that was a joke ;)
17:04 < daja77> ok
17:06 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5700 /trunk/package/java/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * imported patch to unpack packed jars on blackdown-{jdk,jre} from ROCKLinux
17:07 < mnemoc_> daja77: are blackdown-{jre,jdk} files redistributables?
17:07 < daja77> not sure atm
17:11 < mnemoc_> (i) You may not distribute
17:11 < mnemoc_> the Software on a stand-alone basis; it must be distributed
17:11 < mnemoc_> with your Publication(s); (ii) You are responsible for
17:11 < mnemoc_> downloading the Software from the applicable Sun web site;
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18:17 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5702 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/parse-config-9: * adds uclibc auto config.sub patching for bdb
18:30 < mnemoc_> after beta3 gets released i think i'll announce it on uclibc list :)
18:43 < mipe> *phew*, now gcc builds 64bit libs to /lib and 32bit libs to /lib32,yet to add changes to package file and test it
18:43 < mnemoc_> :)
19:23 < sparc-kly> Linux ultra 2.4.27-sparc #2 SMP Tue Jan 11 01:04:56 GMT 2005 sparc64 sun4u TI UltraSparc I   (SpitFire) GNU/Linux
19:26 < _Ragnar_> hi
19:35 < mipe> Processing static lib corrections ...
19:35 < mipe> mv: `/t2/t2-trunk/build/system-2.1.0-beta3-x86-athlon64-64-generic-expert/TOOLCH
19:35 < mipe> AIN/tools.cross/lib/gcc/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/3.4.3/libgcc.a' and `/t2/t2-tru
19:35 < mipe> nk/build/system-2.1.0-beta3-x86-athlon64-64-generic-expert/TOOLCHAIN/tools.cross
19:35 < mipe> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/3.4.3/libgcc.a' are the same file
19:35 < mipe> what check this?
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19:48  * _Ragnar_ sighs and returns to 32bit uclibc
20:25 < _Ragnar_> how are the chances of including perl in the crossbuild environment?
20:29 < mnemoc_> couldn't you build it on your cross-base?
20:33 < _Ragnar_> cross-base?
20:33 < _Ragnar_> (I think we mean the same thing)
20:34 < _Ragnar_> linux26:
20:34 < _Ragnar_>   UNROLL  drivers/md/raid6int1.c
20:34 < _Ragnar_> /bin/sh: perl: command not found
20:34 < _Ragnar_> glibc seems to require perl to build now, too
20:35 < mnemoc_> auto* needs perl too
20:35 < _Ragnar_> so how are you supposed to cross-build anything if the build environment is so incomplete?
20:36 < mnemoc_> it's enough to start a Build-Target
20:36 < mnemoc_> natively
20:36 < _Ragnar_> no it isn't
20:36 < mnemoc_> how can it not be if we use it every day?
20:37 < mnemoc_> cross-base is stage0+1
20:37 < mnemoc_> after that we chroot to continue stage2
20:37  * _Ragnar_ nods
20:37 < _Ragnar_> you chroot
20:38 < mnemoc_> cross-base may not be usable, but it has the needed to build
20:38 < _Ragnar_> I copy the files to the native system and try to build there, and it barfs everywhere
20:40 < mnemoc_> do you got a cross-base with ncurses?
20:40 < mnemoc_> == 01/19/05 19:36:08 =[5]=> Finished building package reiserfsprogs. :)   (uclibc)
20:41 < _Ragnar_> yes I have ncurses
20:42 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5703 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/uclibc.conf: * added printf.h support for uclibc (let reiserfsprogs build)
20:42 < mnemoc_> were you able to get a valid config/default/config ?
20:43 < mnemoc_> .oO
20:43 < _Ragnar_> huh?
20:43 < mnemoc_> Error logs from default-2.1.0-beta3-x86-pentium-32-uboot-expert:
20:43 < mnemoc_> 102 builds total, 102 completed fine, 0 with errors.
20:43 < _Ragnar_> Building src/config_helper.so.
20:43 < _Ragnar_> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
20:44 < mnemoc_> outch
20:44 < _Ragnar_> for ./scripts/Config
20:44 < mnemoc_> and ./scripts/Config -oldconfig ?
20:45 < _Ragnar_> same
20:45 < mnemoc_> can you please add -x on the #! line of Config ?
20:45 < mnemoc_> and try again?
20:47 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5704 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/uclibc.conf: * improved uclibc config to keep a copy of .config on $docdir
20:49 < mnemoc_> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 0.78% (6 hits, 761 misses)
20:49 < mnemoc_> /bin/bash: can't load library 'libncurses.so.5'
20:49 < mnemoc_> !> installing ../lib/libncurses.so.5.4 as //lib/libncurses. ..
20:49 < mnemoc_> arg... i hate this
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20:50 < mnemoc_> installing ../lib/libncurses.so.5.4 as //lib/libncurses.so.5.4
20:50 < mnemoc_> /TOOLCHAIN/build/minimal-2.1.0-beta3-x86-pentium-32-mnemosyne-expert/TOOLCHAIN/tools.chroot/wrapper/install -c -m 755 ../lib/
20:50 < mnemoc_> libncurses.so.5.4 //lib/libncurses.so.5.4
20:51 < _Ragnar_> + '[' '!' -f src/config_helper.so -o misc/tools-source/config_helper.c -nt src/config_helper.so ']'
20:51 < mnemoc_> install_wrapper is not atomic :\
20:51 < _Ragnar_> + enable -f src/config_helper.so cfghlp
20:51 < _Ragnar_> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
20:51 < mnemoc_> oh
20:51 < mnemoc_> rm src/config_helper.so
20:51 < mnemoc_> ./scripts/Config -oldconfig
20:52 < _Ragnar_> same error
20:53 < mnemoc_> ./scripts/Config -oldconfig -nobashmod
20:54 < _Ragnar_> that seems to work
20:54 < mnemoc_> :D
20:54 < _Ragnar_> what is it trying to do?
20:55 < mnemoc_> config_helper.so extends bash speeding Config
20:55 < mnemoc_> -nobashmod avoids that
20:55 < _Ragnar_> loading a so in a statically compiled bash will likely fail
20:56 < mnemoc_> that should be validated somewere
20:56 < mnemoc_> somewhere*
20:56 < mnemoc_> you said you have ncurses..... try ./scripts/Config -nobashmod  now
20:57 < mnemoc_> -oldconfig skips the UI
20:57 < _Ragnar_> works
20:57 < mnemoc_> configure something basic
20:57 < mnemoc_> generic/minimal or something like that
20:57 < mnemoc_> native
20:58 < _Ragnar_> okay
20:59 < _Ragnar_> (already had the config from the other system copied over, just unchecked the This is a cross build ...
20:59 < _Ragnar_> )
20:59 < mnemoc_> ./scripts/Download -required
21:00 < _Ragnar_> already done
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21:01 < mnemoc_> Cleanup -full :)
21:01 < mnemoc_> that will remove all your src.* and build/*
21:02 < mnemoc_> what value ROCKCFG_ABORT_ON_ERROR_AFTER has?
21:04 < mnemoc_> can you try a not-static build first?
21:05 < _Ragnar_> uhm
21:06 < _Ragnar_> that would kinda defeat the purpose, wouldn't it?
21:06 < _Ragnar_> ROCKCFG_ABORT_ON_ERROR_AFTER = 4
21:06 < mnemoc_> i want to see if a normal build builds on your arch first
21:07 < _Ragnar_> I'd pretty much hope that a normal build on x86-32 works ;)
21:07 < mnemoc_> x86-32??
21:07 < mnemoc_> i thought that was x86-64
21:07 < mnemoc_> why are you cross-building then?
21:08 < _Ragnar_> x86-64 is a different project
21:09 < mnemoc_> please refresh my mind, these days have been very stressing
21:09 < _Ragnar_> cuz someone here told me that you have to cross-build to get a uclibc host, and since it fits in nicely to compile on the host in this case
21:09 < mnemoc_> :D
21:09 < mnemoc_> uclibc problem entering stage2 was solved yesterday :D
21:09 < _Ragnar_> but it's not even getting there ...
21:10 < _Ragnar_> due to no perl
21:10 < mnemoc_> on your dynamic box?
21:10 < _Ragnar_> on both, actually
21:10 < mnemoc_> are you using trunk:HEAD?
21:10 < _Ragnar_> on the static one, linux26 seems to want perl, and on the dynamic, 64 bit one, glibc wants perl
21:10  * _Ragnar_ nods
21:11 < mnemoc_> you will have to install perl on your dev-enviroment, sorry :\
21:11 < mnemoc_> next year you will need python to build glibc too
21:11 < _Ragnar_> ;p
21:12  * _Ragnar_ waves bye to cross-builds;)
21:12 < mnemoc_> and hackell for linux2.8 scheduler
21:12 < _Ragnar_> is there a reason why perl isn't in the cross-tools?
21:12 < mnemoc_> light-weight i think
21:12 < mnemoc_> you can try adding 1 to perl.desc:[P]
21:13 < _Ragnar_> already tried that this morning, but perl barfed
21:13 < mnemoc_> what reason?
21:13 < _Ragnar_> trying to compile miniperl with host gcc, which is okay, but trying to link with cross ld, which isn't
21:14 < mnemoc_> oh
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21:14 < mnemoc_> what you seen how to fix this on a hand-build?
21:16 < _Ragnar_> no clue
21:17 < _Ragnar_> oh, I also tried to compile perl on the target system, but that barfs on perl trying to access an internal glibc structure member
21:18 < _Ragnar_> which seems to be not present for uclibc ... but since uclibc is lying about being __GLIBC, perl assumes it's there
21:19 < _Ragnar_> oh
21:19 < mnemoc_> oh?
21:19 < _Ragnar_> that might be user-error
21:20 < _Ragnar_> I did ./scripts/Build-Package perl, not ./scripts/Build-Package -cfg a32 perl
21:20 < mnemoc_> :)
21:21 < _Ragnar_> but if I try to build perl with the cross toolkit, I get the same error
21:21 < _Ragnar_> `sh  cflags "optimize='-O2'" perlio.o`  perlio.c CCCMD =  gcc -DPERL_CORE -c -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2  -Wall
21:22 < _Ragnar_> perlio.c: In function `PerlIOStdio_invalidate_fileno':
21:22 < _Ragnar_> perlio.c:2837: error: structure has no member named `__filedes'
21:23 < mnemoc_> -I/usr/local/include?
21:25 < _Ragnar_> same if I leave it off
21:28 < _Ragnar_> I think it should use the cross compiler in this case, not the host one
21:28 < _Ragnar_> anyway, on the target machine (the 32 bit static uclibc) ... it continues up to:
21:28 < _Ragnar_> ./perl installperl --destdir=
21:28 < _Ragnar_> make[1]: *** [install.perl] Segmentation fault (core dumped)
21:28 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5705 /trunk/package/perl/perl/perl.conf: * sanitized perl to honor $root
21:29 < _Ragnar_> *g*
21:29 < mnemoc_> can you publish that errlog?
21:29 < _Ragnar_> sure
21:31 < _Ragnar_> http://66.146.166.62/~loki/9-perl.err
21:32 < mnemoc_> `file` that ./perl please
21:33 < mnemoc_> have you played with ./debug.sh ?
21:33 < _Ragnar_> no 'file' in the cross tools either ;) but:
21:33 < _Ragnar_> gate:/t2-trunk/src.perl.1106194812.10804.0/perl-5.8.6# ./perl
21:33 < _Ragnar_> printf("hello world\n");
21:33 < _Ragnar_> hello world
21:34 < mnemoc_> cd /t2-trunk/src.perl.1106194812.10804.0
21:34 < mnemoc_> ./debug
21:34 < mnemoc_> cd perl-5.8.6
21:34 < mnemoc_> ./perl
21:34 < mnemoc_> printf("hello world\n");
21:34 < mnemoc_> ./debug.sh i mean
21:36 < _Ragnar_> still works
21:38 < mnemoc_> ./perl installperl --destdir=
21:39 < _Ragnar_> that segfaults
21:40 < mnemoc_> me trying to remember how to trace on perl
21:40 < _Ragnar_> oh
21:40 < _Ragnar_> stat64("lib/auto/Cwd/Cwd.so", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=26908, ...}) = 0
21:40 < _Ragnar_> stat64("lib/auto/Cwd/Cwd.bs", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
21:40 < _Ragnar_> stat("/etc/ld.so.cache", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=1809, ...}) = 0
21:40 < _Ragnar_> open("/etc/ld.so.cache", O_RDONLY)      = 4
21:41 < _Ragnar_> that looks like it's trying to dl a shared lib
21:41 < mnemoc_> :)
21:42 < _Ragnar_> so ...
21:43 < mnemoc_> static system are to for development enviroments
21:43 < mnemoc_> are not* for...
21:43 < _Ragnar_> aparently;)
21:44 < _Ragnar_> so ... how do I get _most_ of the system compiled statically?
21:44 < _Ragnar_> =)
21:44 < mnemoc_> you get a dynamic running machine, and do the static build there ;)
21:45 < mnemoc_> without perl :p
21:45 < _Ragnar_> ?
21:46 < mnemoc_> perl shall have an option to make static builds possible
21:46 < _Ragnar_> *grins*
21:46 < mnemoc_> .oO
21:46 < mnemoc_> .oO
21:47 < _Ragnar_> that's along the line of: politicans shall have a led indicator on their nose to indicate when they're lying?
21:47 < mnemoc_> :)
21:50 < _Ragnar_> btw ... hmmm
21:50 < _Ragnar_> is it really the case that you generally can't dlopen something from a static binary?
21:51 < _Ragnar_> or is that a ulibc bug?
21:51 < _Ragnar_> *uclibc
21:52 < mnemoc_> if you get ld.so into that static binary you shouldn't have problems
21:54 < _Ragnar_> ;p
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21:59 < Postal> Hello all
22:00 < Postal> rxr, you around?
22:01 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc_: okay then I'm trying to build (not crossbuild) a uclibc based system with shared libraries ... that should work, shouldn't it?
22:02 < mnemoc_> until 3-ncurses where ncurses will kill your bash
22:02 < mnemoc_> hi Postal 
22:02 < mnemoc_> _Ragnar_: but i hope you will take longer to get there that i to fix it
22:03 < Postal> mnemoc_, you seen rxr?
22:04 < mnemoc_> he should wake up soon
22:04 < Postal> lol
22:05 < mnemoc_> he went to sleep about 7 hours ago
22:05 < Postal> OMG
22:05 < Postal> lol
22:05 < mnemoc_> at least we said goodbye 7 hours ago
22:05 < mnemoc_> he*
22:06 < Postal> How are the x86_64 fixes going..?
22:07  * _Ragnar_ contemplates getting gentoo-64 for that ;p
22:08 < Postal> _Ragnar_, no its more fun this way..
22:08 < mnemoc_> how many are they and how many are we?
22:08 < Postal> mnemoc_ you talking to me?
22:08 < mnemoc_> to _Ragnar_ ;)
22:08 < Postal> mnemoc_ ok
22:09 < mnemoc_> Postal: i know he has worked a lot on it, but i don't know
22:10 < Postal> mnemoc_, ok, well i am on my 32 bit laptop right now...
22:10 < Postal> but tomorrow ill svn up and test everything
22:14 < mnemoc_> :)
22:16 < _Ragnar_> *g*
22:16 < _Ragnar_> good luck, you'll need it
22:18 < mnemoc_> you may help us to make Postal's life easier ;)
22:20 < Postal> mnemoc_ its not really that hard to svn up and test lol
22:20 < mnemoc_> =)
22:21 < Postal> I would like you guys to try and teach me how to fix the problems though... i would like to learn so that in the future i may be of more help to you guys
22:21 < mnemoc_> i have never seen a 64bits machine
22:21 < mnemoc_> i'm not the person to help you
22:22 < Postal> lol, but you know how to do bug fixes though, and i dont...
22:22 < Postal> mnemoc_ im sure that the prosess is similar for both
22:22 < mnemoc_> yes
22:22 < mnemoc_> next time you get an error show me your error log and i can try to teach you
22:23 < mnemoc_> but don't forget XTRACE enabled
22:23 < Postal> why enable xtrace?
22:24 < mnemoc_> to be able to see what's going on on the log
22:24 < Postal> oh i c
22:55 < mnemoc_> == 01/19/05 21:53:43 =[3]=> Finished building package ncurses.
22:55 < mnemoc_> finally
23:00 < mnemoc_> CIA-9: ?
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23:28 < rxr> re
23:28 < rxr> re
23:29 < rxr> mnemoc_: seems there is some stuff I should review, hm ?
23:29 < mnemoc_> good morning rxr ;)
23:34 < rxr> yeah - hi mnemoc_ 
23:34 < rxr> I scrolled back - but there is quite muhc ...
23:34 < rxr> if you have specific quesionts better reask them ;-
23:34 < mnemoc_> :)
23:34 < mnemoc_> rxr: if you know how to do 5706 on aclocal.m4 feel free to replace it
23:35 < mnemoc_> rxr: i also imported java from rock (jsaw request)
23:36 < mnemoc_> rxr: and we need to decide something about COPYRIGHt-NOTE
23:37 < rxr> well - I prepared the Create-CopyPathc to work with two tags
23:37 < rxr> ROCK-*-NOTE and T2-*-NOTE
23:37 < rxr> it is mostly there
23:37 < rxr> jsaw brought up, that grep ROCK Copyright s.th. in the file might be sufficient
23:37 < rxr> but I like to just work with the tags ...
23:38 < mnemoc_> :D
23:38 < rxr> mnemoc_: if it is ok, I would prepare to save my time a bit and not review any uclibc hack - I trust in you ;-)
23:38 < rxr> I already know too many hacks for dietlibc
23:38 < mnemoc_> ROCK-CR-NOTE or T2-ROCK-CR-NOTE ?
23:38 < mnemoc_> what about the text?
23:38 < rxr> T2-CR-NOTE, no ROCK in it ...
23:39 < rxr> I already proposed one - the the Create-* script
23:39 < mnemoc_> that was one note followed by another
23:39 < rxr> we could incooperate some of, I think it was jsaw's, ideas deom the list and run it ...
23:40 < rxr> my sparc was idle since 16 o'clock - damn ...
23:40 < mnemoc_> jsaw and i proposed one note, with or without ROCK rights on it
23:40 < mnemoc_> 3-ncurses? ;)
23:40 < rxr> I need to reread the mai lthen
23:40 < rxr> I'm at susans laptop - and have not yet a text mdoe imap client on some server - so I just now have no mail access ...
23:41 < mnemoc_> mutt is nice ;)
23:41 < mnemoc_> on an screen right to irssi 
23:43 < rxr> I think more likely xemacs/mew again ...
23:50 < rxr> is freshmeat hoaxed?
23:50 < rxr> I get some crap site here ...
23:51 < rxr> hm - no - must have mistyped it ...
23:53 < mnemoc_> include/nl_types.h:extern nl_catd catopen (__const char *__cat_name, int __flag) __THROW; <--- what __THROW means?
23:53 < mnemoc_> i don't see catopen defined anywhere, and man needs it
23:55 < rxr> http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/digita/
23:56 < rxr> means it might throw exceptions
23:56 < rxr> a C++ feature
23:56 < rxr> I have not yet review what the C stuff can do ...
23:57 < mnemoc_> but i need catopen as a symbol in some library, don't i?
23:59 < mnemoc_> on glibc it's part of libc.so.6
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