T2 IRC Log: 2004-12-24

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--- Log opened Fri Dec 24 00:00:41 2004
00:00 < mnemoc> can i commit the patch i have here? it ports current and fix a few from google, but it is WIP
00:01 < mnemoc> it will be broken but less broken than now
00:02 < CIA-9> rene * r5206 /trunk/package/base/binutils/ld-glob.patch:
00:02 < CIA-9> * implemented globbing support for /etc/ld.so.conf - we need this,
00:02 < CIA-9> since we support globbing in the glibc's dynamic linker and equally
00:02 < CIA-9> the linker needs to locate the libraries during compiling, too (we
00:02 < CIA-9> have some ugly package specific hacks for some of those problems in
00:02 < CIA-9> the tree right now ...)
00:03 < rxr> mnemoc: yeah - commit it ...
00:08 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5207 /trunk/ (. package/base/dietlibc/parse-config-9): * export DIETHOME= moved to the right place and re-enabled
00:08 * mnemoc looking with fear svk merging
00:08 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5208 /trunk/ (. package/base/dietlibc/pkg_patch/pkg_iproute2.patch): * diet's patch for iproute2 ported, improved, but still WIP
00:08 < mnemoc> no evilness??
00:08 < mnemoc> yes! great
00:14 < rxr> ;-)
00:20 < mnemoc> i guess i should have choosen to fix iproute on glibc first :\
00:20 < rxr> hm?
00:21 < rxr> it built here ...
00:21 < mnemoc> on diet?
00:21 < mnemoc> with*
00:21 < jsaw> re
00:21 < mnemoc> well iproute2 and/or glibc kernel headers have their issues as well ...
00:21 < mnemoc> hi jsaw
00:21 < jsaw> hi mnemoc
00:21 < jsaw> hi rxr
00:22 < jsaw> hehe, iproute2 on diet...
00:22 < mnemoc> :p
00:24 < mnemoc> is it ok to hardcode a -v to diet on OTHERS ?
00:24 < rxr> what ?
00:24 < mnemoc> i don't get the same results running ./debug.sh
00:24 < mnemoc> diet -v gcc blah blah blah
00:24 < jsaw> no problem with me. But a way to add options to wrappers would be more clean...
00:24 < mnemoc> using cmd_wrapper
00:24 < mnemoc> yes but there is no diet wrapper
00:25 < jsaw> no, I meant, using CMD_WRAPPER_OTHERS="diet -v" or so
00:25 < jsaw> well, next year... I put this on my TODO.
00:26 < mnemoc> yes, that was what i was asking :)
00:26 < mnemoc> execvp(diet -v,...) - No such file or direc
00:26 < mnemoc> :\
00:26 < jsaw> exactly... that's why I put it on my todo...
00:26 < mnemoc> =)
00:27 * mnemoc moving home
00:27 < mnemoc> back in 20 minutes
00:27 < jsaw> cu, mnemoc
00:29 < jsaw> rxr: just a general question, what would be, if (for T2 3.0 or so, when we start with C++...) we would use an adapted ash?
00:30 < rxr> hm ;-)
00:31 < jsaw> I was stumbling over ash when I tried klibc. (It's around 80k with klibc) and seems easy to modify resp. implement additional builtin commands.
00:32 < rxr> interest[Binteresting idea ,-)
00:35 < jsaw> So, I'll keep it in mind when we start the (re-)design phase :)
00:39 < jsaw> hope we will start soon with it...
00:39 < jsaw> I
00:39 < jsaw> I'm slightly fed up with the current situation - too many exceptions...
00:48 < rxr> so - re
00:48 < rxr> my airport stuck due to too flancky ap connection
00:48 < rxr> had to remodprobe the module ...
00:50 < rxr> jsaw: have you time to toook if we can now remove the rpath whatever hacks we added due to the lCd not globbing issue?
00:51 < jsaw> I remember add rpath, but where did we do it?
00:51 < rxr> some gtk gnome stuff and at least avifile
00:52 < jsaw> grep -R is my friend...
00:52 < rxr> might also be -L some [3~[D[3~-dir
00:52 < rxr> arrgh
00:52 < rxr> this conection kills me ...
01:01 < rxr> so - now grabed my brother's desk ...
01:11 < mnemoc> re
01:13 < rxr> rehi mnemoc
01:14 < mnemoc> hi :)
01:24 < jsaw> I have to sleep. cu you all after xmas! Have fun. Relax. Code!
01:24 < mnemoc> after?
01:25 < rxr> cu jsaw
01:25 < rxr> and happy xmas ;-)
01:25 < mnemoc> merry xmas jsaw, then :)
01:25 < rxr> freet your familly ... ;-)
01:25 < rxr> greet even
01:25 < mnemoc> :)
01:25 < jsaw> thanks alot. Happy christmas to you too!
01:26 < mnemoc> greeting to marlene, luna? and wife :)
01:26 < jsaw> (my parents-in-law have DSL, so I might show up in the meantime...)
01:27 < jsaw> thanks (marlene hannah stella and charlotte (not yet decided) luna)
01:27 < jsaw> feliz navidad (is this correct?)
01:28 < mnemoc> yep
01:28 * mnemoc jmping to leo to say merry xmas in german
01:29 < jsaw> and?
01:29 < mnemoc> Fröhliche Weihnachten!
01:29 < mnemoc> :)
01:30 < jsaw> yes.
01:30 < jsaw> so only french is missing.
01:30 < jsaw> anyway, gone.
01:30 < mnemoc> cu jsaw :)
01:41 < mnemoc> rxr: are you osx-ing?
01:46 < rxr> no
01:46 < rxr> x.org fixing
01:48 < mnemoc> :)
02:12 < rxr> hey
02:12 < rxr> http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/
02:12 < rxr> http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewcvs/?root=core
02:12 < rxr> http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewcvs/?root=extras
02:13 < mnemoc> ...
02:40 -!- rxr_ [~rene@p213.54.196.226.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
02:40 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Enviroments (SDE) | http://www.exactcode.de/t2
02:40 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Dec 18 15:39:34 2004]
02:40 [Users #t2]
02:40 [ _Ragnar_] [ daja77 ] [ jsaw ] [ nzg] [ rxr_ ] [ valentin]
02:40 [ CIA-9 ] [ hannes_] [ mnemoc] [ rxr] [ sparc-kly]
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04:44 < mnemoc> build build build test test test fix fix fix
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14:38 < rxr_> moin
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14:46 < CIA-9> rene * r5209 /trunk/package/x11/xvattr/ (. xvattr.cache xvattr.desc): * added xvattr (1.3)
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15:20 < madtux> hello
15:21 -!- mnemoc_ [~amery@200.75.27.56] has joined #t2
15:21 < madtux> hola mnemoc_
15:21 < mnemoc_> madtux: :)
15:31 < mnemoc_> do i need to run distcc --daemon on the machine running the build too?
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15:44 < valentin> hi everybody
15:48 < mnemoc> hi valentin
15:54 < valentin> hi mnemoc
15:54 < valentin> i am at my family to celebrate xmas
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15:56 < rxr> hi valentin
15:57 < rxr> mnemoc: no you don't
15:57 < rxr> only on the remote boxes
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15:59 < sparc-kly> hi all
16:00 < valentin> hi rxr, sparc-kly
16:03 < mnemoc> hi sparc-kly
16:03 < mnemoc> rxr: any problem if remote machine has gcc 3.3.3?
16:04 < sparc-kly> :P
16:04 < rxr> well - only that you get mixed binaries then
16:04 < rxr> you should nto do this
16:04 < sparc-kly> itunes rlz :D
16:04 < mnemoc> rxr: ok
16:04 < rxr> altouhg it might often work ...
16:04 < mnemoc> i'll update my gcc
16:04 < rxr> this is what I meant with "we need to improbe this to pass the new T2 compiler to the remote machnes ..."
16:05 < mnemoc> ic
16:12 < CIA-9> rene * r5210 /trunk/package/x11/xorg/xorg_config.sh: * fixed xorg to use $makeopt to pass the -j that might be in the var
16:12 < mnemoc> :)
16:13 < mnemoc> after you finish with xorg and if you have time can you try to find what is redefining socket stuff on diet/iproute2?
16:14 < mnemoc> i must be 'blind'
16:14 < CIA-9> rene * r5211 /trunk/package/x11/xorg/radeon-ibook.patch: * updated the xorg/radeon-ibook patch
16:14 < rxr> so - now I'll take some cake and cookie stuff including coffee and such
16:14 < rxr> cu ...
16:14 < mnemoc> cu rxr
16:17 < valentin> i will be offline now, too
16:18 < valentin> of course my irssi is running in a screen on my server @home, so you are not umonitored *g*
16:19 < valentin> cu later - i wish everybody a happy xmas eve !
16:19 < mnemoc> as usual :)
16:19 < mnemoc> cu valentin, merry xmas!
16:19 < valentin> thx
16:19 < valentin> cu
16:57 < rxr> so
16:57 < rxr> some more hacking @my brothers room ...
16:58 < mnemoc> :)
16:58 < rxr> I now fix find ...
16:58 < rxr> and then I install the -beta2 on my brothers athlon
16:58 < rxr> my farther also wants a new linux on his K5-500 ...
16:58 < rxr> so we will have some wider testing and most probably some bug fixing ...
16:58 < mnemoc> i http install workig?
16:59 < rxr> no idea - I use it that seldom
16:59 < rxr> my parents are already over their 1GB limit this months ...
16:59 < mnemoc> 1GB???
16:59 < rxr> so they would kill me for installing 1.2GB over the line anyway ...
16:59 < mnemoc> that's nothing
16:59 < rxr> well - they only need some web surfing and mail ...
16:59 < rxr> nothing fancy ...
17:00 < rxr> they are only over this because my brother downloaded some moves from my home ...
17:00 < rxr> normally they only consume a few houndred MB ...
17:00 < rxr> and this 1GB tarif saves them some cents ...
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17:04 < rxr> hi madtux !
17:04 < madtux> good day rene.
17:04 < rxr> merry christmas
17:04 < madtux> merry xmas to u too.
17:04 < mnemoc> mightytux
17:04 < madtux> 0_o
17:04 < mnemoc> :)
17:05 < mnemoc> tinytux?
17:05 < madtux> BTW.. on my little trip .. i installed my production box with a custom t2
17:05 < mnemoc> :D
17:05 < madtux> so the clients have their internal web, mail, db and fileserver
17:06 < mnemoc> selinux?
17:06 < madtux> not yet.
17:06 < madtux> but its not really exposed to the world
17:06 < madtux> so it will be fine
17:07 < mnemoc> madtux: yestarday rene added distcc support, i think you have enough hardware to do a nice dist build :)
17:08 < madtux> mnemoc: i read.. and yes i will play with it
17:08 < madtux> i already have experience with distcc
17:08 < madtux> :)
17:08 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5212 /trunk/ (. scripts/Download scripts/functions): * Introduce non-mirrorable [D]s with a minus '-' prefix on location
17:09 < mnemoc> i wanted to play with it but emerging gcc34 on this gcc33 failed due to 'sanity checks' over cpp :(
17:11 < madtux> :P
17:14 < mnemoc> xfce4.2rc3
17:16 < madtux> its a good thing to have distcc on t2
17:17 < madtux> i read a few days ago a guy asking for an option to add a name to the resulting "distro"
17:17 < madtux> since we have made very clear the fact that t2 is NOT a distribution but a build kit, i really think that we should also have this option on.
17:17 < mnemoc> what would name a distro? a file on /etc ?
17:18 < madtux> mnemoc: basically:
17:18 < madtux> /etc/DISTNAME
17:18 < madtux> plus the stuff on lilo / grub
17:18 < mnemoc> target or config dependant?
17:18 < madtux> config dependent
17:19 < mnemoc> that's quite easy to implement
17:19 < madtux> indeed.
17:20 < madtux> is maybe something stupid.. but the feeling of having ur own distro and nameing it something that can be of great motivation for new users
17:20 < mnemoc> brb
17:20 < madtux> lets say
17:20 < mnemoc> sure it is
17:20 < madtux> MNY Linux - Powered by T2
17:21 < madtux> just silly ideas going through my mind
17:23 < rxr> yes - ack - we want this options - as I wrote in this thread ...
17:24 < madtux> i know..
17:24 < madtux> just wanted to disturb the waters a bit
17:24 < madtux> :)
17:31 < rxr> ;-)
17:33 < madtux> the "Powered by T2" is just an expresion, but really we should find a nice and original expresion for the same porpouse
17:34 < madtux> including a small image to place on webs of servers running t2
17:35 < madtux> rxr: as a business man you know more than well that marketing is a very important key for sucess
17:35 < rxr> yep
17:35 < madtux> and so at this point we really have to look forward to start branching
17:36 < madtux> meaning.. making the people familiar with the company and the product
17:37 < madtux> now.. I'm not a memeber of the exactcode staff.. but i'm a developer of T2, and so i care about its future
17:37 < rxr> t2 is not an exactcode product ...
17:37 < rxr> it is just an open source project ...
17:37 < madtux> i know
17:38 < rxr> yes - we should continue to do good pr ...
17:38 < rxr> -beta was a huge success ..
17:38 < rxr> and we need good logo and homepage work ...
17:40 < madtux> well for site stuff mnemoc can be a good help.. he's for example a tikipro freak
17:46 < rxr> cool
17:46 < rxr> find bug fixed
17:53 < rxr> ok - beta2 tag soon
17:55 < madtux> xmas gift?
17:55 < madtux> :)
17:58 < rxr> I paledn oo
17:58 < rxr> altough my testing is nto as advanced as I hoped ..
17:59 < rxr> but I prepare the tag now and might t2 list rlease tonight
17:59 < rxr> a reall big PR announcement will be done when the x86 iso is available so people are more atracted to test t2 out ...
17:59 < rxr> (sorry for typos - slow connecton)
18:00 < madtux> :)
18:00 < madtux> dialup ?
18:02 < madtux> rxr: i have invitations to 9 events next year so far to give some talks, would it be a problem if one of the talks that i give at every event is about T2 ?
18:02 < rxr> no - AP with link quliaty of <20/92 due to steel concret in between
18:02 < rxr> no - actually this would be quite nice PR ... - why do you think it ever could be a problem ?
18:04 < madtux> good..
18:04 < madtux> so consider it a fact..
18:04 < madtux> perhaps we should wok on a good paper and presentation to use for this
18:04 < madtux> work*
18:04 < madtux> so all of us can use it.
18:05 < madtux> as mnemoc will also start going to events on 2005.
18:06 < rxr> yes, a common set of really good illustrated work would be nice
18:06 < CIA-9> rene * r5213 /trunk/package/base/findutils/4.2.10-printf-P.patch:
18:06 < CIA-9> * fixed printf "%P" in the lastest finutils package (as used in our
18:06 < CIA-9> Create-ISO script)
18:07 < rxr> so - let's tag beta2
18:08 < CIA-9> rene * r5214 /tags/2.1.0-beta2/:
18:08 < CIA-9> * tagged 2.1.0-beta2 (might get some last minute fixes - but
18:08 < CIA-9> experimental stuff can go into trunk again)
18:09 < CIA-9> rene * r5215 /trunk/scripts/parse-config: * bumped version to 2.1.0-beta3
18:11 < madtux> weeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
18:16 < mnemoc> re
18:16 < rxr> yeah - happy celebration
18:16 < mnemoc> thanks rene!
18:16 < rxr> hi mn
18:17 < rxr> mnemoc: even ... ;-)
18:17 < mnemoc> can you take a look into diet/iproute2?
18:17 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - but only a bit later ;-)
18:17 * rxr a bit in the background again ...
18:17 < mnemoc> ok
18:18 < rxr> mnemoc: but make sure you celebrate a bit with your familly ...
18:19 < mnemoc> i'll take my direct-family to my grand-family in three hours
18:34 < madtux> mnemoc: u didn't invite me :(
18:35 < mnemoc> you didn't invite me to your matrimony
18:35 < madtux> that was the LEGAL part
18:35 < madtux> u MUST come to the official thing
18:35 < mnemoc> :)
18:36 < mnemoc> a ticket on the invitation? :)
18:36 < madtux> maybe.
18:36 < mnemoc> oops, you put me on troubles... that was a joke
18:37 < mnemoc> rxr: for xfce, should i use 4.2-rc3 or 4.1.99.3 as files say?
18:38 < madtux> i can afford for your ticket i guess..
18:38 < madtux> or i can send you a bicicle
18:38 < mnemoc> madtux: :D
18:44 < madtux> ok folks
18:44 < madtux> i'm leaving for celebration
18:44 < madtux> cya in a few days
18:45 < madtux> and Merry Christmas to ya all
18:45 < mnemoc> cu madtux, and happy happy xmas!
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20:33 -!- mnemoc changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | 2.1.0-beta RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Enviroments (SDE) | Happy Christmas people! | http://www.exactcode.de/t2
20:42 < mnemoc> cu tomorrow guys! happy christmas
20:43 < mnemoc> bye CIA-9, take care.
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