T2 IRC Log: 2004-12-10
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--- Log opened Fri Dec 10 00:00:22 2004
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01:42 < rxr> brrrr. xanim on tv ...
01:45 < mnemoc> re
01:49 < rxr> hi mnemoc
01:50 < mnemoc> hi rxr
01:55 < mnemoc> rxr: what is all this debug_stawhile buidling tools?
01:59 < mnemoc> debug_stat()*
02:01 < rxr> hm?
02:06 < mnemoc> loooooooot of debuging info while building tools
02:06 < mnemoc> i guess it's one of your c++ helpers
02:08 < mnemoc> debug_stat (ladspa-vcf)
02:08 < mnemoc> pathname = package/./audio/ladspa-vcf, stop_at_current_level = 0
02:08 < mnemoc> debug_stat (ladspa-vcf)
02:08 < mnemoc> debug_stat (.)
02:08 < mnemoc> debug_stat (..)
02:08 < mnemoc> debug_stat (.)
02:09 < mnemoc> stuff like this
02:09 < mnemoc> and a tree too
02:12 < rxr> have not noticed it so far ...
02:14 < mnemoc> your machines are too fast :)
02:14 < rxr> in the package log? or on the screen while building the tools?
02:15 < rxr> what C++ helper?
02:15 < mnemoc> Building tools.chroot/wrapper/cmd_wrapper.
02:15 < mnemoc> cur_day_start = Wed Dec 8 22:10:51 2004
02:15 < mnemoc> Predicate List:
02:15 < mnemoc> ( path or path ) and prune or ( name ) and print
02:15 < mnemoc> Eval Tree:
02:15 < mnemoc> pred = or type = bi_op prec = or addr = 805ed98
02:15 < mnemoc> left:
02:15 < mnemoc> it starts like this :)
02:15 < rxr> looks like find ...
02:16 < rxr> maybe you built your coreutils (or where find is in) with debugging ?
02:16 < rxr> or some coreutils I do not yet run is buggy?
02:16 < mnemoc> it's a fresh minimal+xorg
02:16 < rxr> never saw it ...
02:16 < mnemoc> mike reported to get the same thing
02:17 < rxr> coreutils update?
02:18 < mnemoc> not since: r3089 (orig r4228): rene | 2004-10-09 08:23:12 -0400
02:19 < mnemoc> i have to study now... tomorrow i'lll try to catch it
02:19 < rxr> it is in findutils
02:19 < rxr> sorry about that
02:20 < rxr> Miguel Bolanos
02:20 < rxr> * Updated findutils (4.1.20 > 4.2.10)
02:20 < rxr> I think this update is to blame since the debug info is quite what find does internally ...
02:21 < rxr> oh - btw, could you add a colon to the end of the name line in the future? ;-)
02:21 < mnemoc> yes.... as i was blaming your c++ helpers i didn't care about trying to recognize it
02:21 < rxr> what C++ helper do you mean?
02:21 < mnemoc> rxr: ok
02:21 < rxr> so far we have no C++ utilization in scripts ...
02:22 < mnemoc> i don't know, the stuff you want to code on c++ :)
02:22 < mnemoc> i thought you had added one with debugging enabled :p
02:22 < rxr> want to code != code present ;-)
02:22 < rxr> nope - nothing in the build system ...
02:22 < mnemoc> :)
02:22 < rxr> and so far the plan is to mostly build it up in source/ in parallel
02:23 < mnemoc> ic
02:23 < rxr> or maybe inject tiny chunks for the post-build flist dep tracking since the current sort -u | awk code is pretty slow ...
02:23 < rxr> but not until after 2.1 ...
02:24 < mnemoc> woot :)
02:29 < rxr> ?
02:29 < rxr> yep it is find
02:29 < mnemoc> good*
02:29 < rxr> I just emerged it on my athlon ..
02:30 < rxr> should I fix it ?
02:30 < rxr> debug_stat (.)
02:30 < rxr> ...
02:30 < mnemoc> i can't do it this night, tomorrow i can try
02:30 < mnemoc> (sorry about the balming)
02:30 < rxr> no problem
02:31 < mnemoc> balming=the thing steve balmer does :)
02:33 < rxr> ,)
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02:54 < rxr> wtf: scripts# vi patch-pp.pl
02:55 < mnemoc> *lag*
02:55 < rxr> ?
02:55 < mnemoc> my neightbor might be using the whole bandwidth
02:56 < mnemoc> i am _very_ laggeed
02:56 < rxr> tc qdisc add dev ppp0 root tbf rate 120kbit latency 70ms burst 2500
02:56 < rxr> helps on my side ...
02:56 < mnemoc> thanks :)
02:56 < rxr> this debug stat is annoying ...
02:56 < rxr> better I fix it right away ...
02:57 < rxr> yeah - I can not work this way ...
02:57 < mnemoc> i checked but there is no new version yet
02:57 < rxr> oh my - there are tons scrolling by ...
02:57 < rxr> ok - thanks - saves me some minutes ...
02:58 < mnemoc> my ssh with the root' screen has been frozen for 15 minutes :\
02:59 < mnemoc> top - 22:45:54 up 41 days, 2:00, 10 users, load average: 1.52, 1.49, 1.78
03:02 < rxr> .oO
03:02 < rxr> out --disable-debug enables debugging in find-utils
03:02 < rxr> those damn configure crap ..
03:02 -!- rxr changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | The system development environment | GNU Auto* considered harmfull
03:03 < mnemoc> full ack
03:03 -!- rxr changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | The system development environment | GNU Auto* considered harmful
03:29 < rxr> checking whether debug output should be produced... no
03:30 < CIA-9> rene * r5008 /trunk/package/base/findutils/4.2.10-enable-debug.patch:
03:30 < CIA-9> * fixed findutils to correctly parse the arguments ... and thus not
03:30 < CIA-9> to enable debug if told not to ...
03:32 < CIA-9> rene * r5009 /trunk/package/base/findutils/findutils.desc: * added author email and me as maintainer to findutils
03:34 < rxr> sending upstream
03:37 < rxr> sent - so n8 all
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03:37 < rxr> hi kensai
03:38 < mnemoc> n8 rxr
03:39 < kensai> Hi
03:39 < mnemoc> hi kensai
03:39 < kensai> hi mnemoc
03:41 < rxr> hm - or do I commit the ROCK -> TOOLCHAIN work ...
03:41 < rxr> looks like this then, btw:
03:41 < rxr> Building tools in build/.../TOOLCHAIN/tools.cross:
03:41 < mnemoc> will you?
03:42 < rxr> instead of:
03:42 < mnemoc> i'm just about starting a new inimal+xorg
03:42 < rxr> ok - then I commit - sec.
03:44 < rxr> running
03:45 < CIA-9> rene * r5010 /trunk/ (24 files in 15 dirs):
03:45 < CIA-9> * carefully substituted (I hope every occurance) of build/.../ROCK to
03:45 < CIA-9> TOOLCHAIN - so far it built nicely
03:45 < rxr> have fun
03:45 < mnemoc> gn8 rene :)
03:45 < rxr> and do not forget that Cleanup is incompatible with old ROCK builds ...
03:45 < rxr> it will remove your t2 dir ... :-(
03:46 < rxr> as it did here ...
03:46 < rxr> yeah - good night ;-)
03:46 < jsaw> will build/.../ROCK build/.../TOOLCHAIN work without problems?
03:46 < mnemoc> o_O
03:46 < rxr> ^- mv
03:46 < rxr> no idea
03:46 < rxr> maybe mostly ...
03:46 < jsaw> mv
03:46 < jsaw> yes
03:46 < mnemoc> disable Cleanup if that happens
03:46 < jsaw> anyway, sleep well rxr
03:46 < rxr> the Cleanup will at least not remove the builddir ...
03:47 < rxr> but maybe it will not build due to hardcoding somewhere in the generated files ...
03:47 < rxr> yeah - nigth all
03:47 < mnemoc> gn8
03:47 < mnemoc> hi jsaw
03:48 < jsaw> hi mnemoc
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04:01 < jsaw> Cleanup was probably only harmful because there was a link left pointing to the build/.../ROCK/src.... left.
04:01 < jsaw> -left
04:04 < mnemoc> :)
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04:22 < jsaw> mv .../ROCK .../TOOLCHAIN seems to work
04:22 < mnemoc> until now :)
04:23 < mnemoc> i'm at 1-glibc
04:23 < mnemoc> and you?
04:24 < jsaw> rebuilding dietlibc,gcc,reiserfsprogs,rock-doc,sysfiles,udev
04:24 < jsaw> then there should come artsd....
04:24 < jsaw> now I'm at
04:24 < jsaw> 0-gcc
04:24 < jsaw> let's see.
04:24 < mnemoc> i'm doing a fresh minimal+xorg
04:24 < jsaw> At least this is good sign:
04:25 < jsaw> Removing old output logs ...
04:25 < jsaw> -> Removing var/adm/logs/5-arts.out ...
04:25 < mnemoc> :)
04:26 < mnemoc> why rtsp is 'O'?
04:27 < jsaw> C++ incompats?
04:28 < mnemoc> uhm?
04:29 < jsaw> <- no idea, not really...
04:30 < mnemoc> :)
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04:51 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5011 /trunk/: * clip updated to 1.1.12-113
04:51 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5012 /trunk/ (22 files in 12 dirs):
04:51 < CIA-9> Miguel Bolanos
04:51 < CIA-9> * Added selinux package repository
04:51 < CIA-9> * Added PublicDomain license for uncopyrighted software
04:52 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5013 /trunk/ (10 files in 10 dirs): * tinyfixes on selinux/*.desc
04:53 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5018 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): * cvm updated (0.18 -> 0.31)
04:54 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5014 /trunk/ (. misc/archive/compare.sh): * fix compare.sh to handle better missing packages
04:54 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5015 /trunk/ (. package/develop/mono/mono.desc): * Mono updated (1.0.2 -> 1.1.2)
04:55 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5016 /trunk/:
04:55 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5017 /trunk/ (. package/develop/bglibs/bglibs.desc): * bglibs updated (1.017 -> 1.019)
04:56 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5024 /trunk/ (. package/develop/gdb/gdb.desc): * Adds checksum to gdb
04:56 < mnemoc> uhm
04:57 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5020 /trunk/ (11 files in 10 dirs): * removes wrongly inserted header to selinux packages (SORRY)
04:58 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5025 /trunk/ (. package/games/powermanga/powermanga.desc):
04:58 < CIA-9> * powermanga updated (0.78 -> 0.79)
04:58 < CIA-9> * powermanga download location changed to one versioned
04:58 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5026 /trunk/ (. package/develop/icecream/icecream.desc): * Adds checksum for icecream
05:00 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5027 /trunk/ (. package/develop/valgrind/valgrind.desc): * Adds checksum for valgrind(-ppc)
05:00 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5028 /trunk/ (. package/gnome2/gtkextra/gtkextra.desc): * no checksum for cvs:// (gtkextra)
05:01 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5019 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): * mono updated (1.1.2 -> 1.1.3) (mcs package doesn't exist now)
05:01 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5022 /trunk/:
05:02 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5021 /trunk/:
05:03 < jsaw> mnemoc: copyright headers of selinux.{desc,conf}?
05:03 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5023 /trunk/ (. package/base/hddtemp/hddtemp.desc): * update checksum of hddtemp.db to 2004-11-29
05:03 < mnemoc> my initial commit included them
05:04 < mnemoc> next to that i removed them
05:04 < jsaw> oh, 5020
05:04 < mnemoc> on 5020
05:04 < mnemoc> svk enqueue the changes
05:04 < jsaw> svn diff -r... sadly does not yield a flat diff...
05:05 < mnemoc> and i porefered to send the bunch incrementaly instead of a single one to preserve history better
05:05 < mnemoc> no?
05:05 < jsaw> no prob. only the svn diff -r5010:5020 confused me
05:05 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5029 /trunk/ (. package/multimedia/rtsp/rtsp.desc): * rtsp updated (2004.11.26 -> 2004.12.09) and set as X instead of O
05:06 < mnemoc> 5029 was my last commit
05:06 < mnemoc> that one
05:06 < jsaw> no, come on, go go go
05:07 < mnemoc> tests in progress :)
05:07 < mnemoc> svk is cool :)
05:07 < jsaw> looks like your quite happy with it...
05:07 < mnemoc> sure
05:08 < mnemoc> i can play a lot, commiting, reverting, blah blah blah, and finally i can commit everything incrementally preserving commit messages
05:09 < mnemoc> i can also do star-merge, an keep many branches without loosing lot of space
05:09 < jsaw> package already made for t2?
05:09 < mnemoc> 43 perl dependencies :\
05:10 < jsaw> and?
05:11 < mnemoc> considering cpan does it better than i creating 43 new pacakges i choose to spend my time updating and fixing current stuff :)
05:11 < jsaw> :)
05:11 < mnemoc> i have the list if you want
05:12 < mnemoc> btw, it's fun to see that chilean mirror is faster than gsmp's to you :)
05:13 < jsaw> no, I wait for the package ;)
05:13 < jsaw> hehe
05:14 < mnemoc> :p
05:14 < mnemoc> mike said the same :)
05:15 < jsaw> I'd love to play with it, but as I already said I have to do a lot... so I just said it to protect myself...
05:16 < mnemoc> :)
05:16 < jsaw> I don't want to but I should take a nap now :( damn body
05:16 < jsaw> [COPY] have a look at http://www.rocklinux.org/ and the Documentation/TEAM
05:17 < jsaw> ups
05:17 < mnemoc> there are lot of those
05:17 < jsaw> the middle button on my thinkpad is far too large...
05:18 < jsaw> g'night
05:18 < mnemoc> gn8 jsaw
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10:36 < rxr> moin
10:42 < rxr> mnemoc: where is your server faster than gsmp?
12:35 < rxr> hey people - gimp has a --no-splash option - never noticed it so far ...
12:37 < rxr> gimp does indeed "boot up" way faster with the option - so without splash screen ...
12:38 < rxr> 6 sec. vs. 2 sec. on my 800Mhz iBook ...
13:57 < rxr> hm - under osx the switching from line-out to internal speakers takes one second - under linux it immedietly performs the switching ...
13:57 < jsaw> re
13:57 < jsaw> hi rxr
13:57 < rxr> hi
13:57 < jsaw> I think Cleanup is save.
13:57 < rxr> g'morning jsaw
13:58 < jsaw> g'morning ;)
13:58 < rxr> I think the switch is save, too - my athlon built quite fine ...
13:58 < jsaw> there was probably a link left "src...." -> "build/.../ROCK/src..."
14:00 < rxr> yes, the ROCK/* dirs have been loop mounted ...
14:00 < jsaw> oh, mv ROCK TOOLCHAIN works w/o probs
14:00 < jsaw> btw
14:05 < jsaw> rxr: -A "T2 SDE -Disk $x" -P 'T2 System Develop Environment - http://t2.exactcode.de' for Create-ISO ok?
14:07 < rxr> mostly
14:07 < rxr> the url is http://www.exactcode.de/t2 ....
14:07 < rxr> or should I setup t2.* ?
14:08 < rxr> maybe we should rahter register s.th. like www.t2-sde.org ... ?
14:08 < rxr> rather even
14:09 < jsaw> okay, let's do www.../t2 first and then switch the Create-ISO to a dedicated web site (t2-sde sounds good)!?
14:11 < rxr> jups - just commit the current stat would be great
14:11 < jsaw> -P 'T2 System Develop Environment - http://www.exactcode.de/t2'
14:11 < jsaw> committed
14:11 < CIA-9> jsaw * r5030 /trunk/scripts/Create-ISO: * switch ISO titles in scripts/Create-ISO also
14:13 < CIA-9> jsaw * r5031 /trunk/misc/archive/newpackage.sh: * remove ROCK header from newpackage.sh
14:14 < jsaw> (oh, I meant automatic header creation)
14:14 < daja77> you could change commit messages after commit ...
14:14 < jsaw> daja77: how?
14:15 < rxr> jsaw: not remotely ...
14:15 < rxr> I did not enabled this - and do not plan to ...
14:15 < daja77> :)
14:15 < rxr> I can to this on the server - if you like ...
14:15 < daja77> playing with the properties ...
14:15 < jsaw> oh, now daja77 knows that I didn't remove the copyright only copyright creation on new files...
14:15 < jsaw> so shouldn't be a problem... :)
14:16 < daja77> O_o
14:16 < jsaw> I don't want anybody from ROCK to think that I remove Copyrights from files.
14:16 < daja77> ok
14:17 < rxr> jsaw: I just code - remind me later and I tweak it ...
14:17 < rxr> so it is correctly in the auto-created changelog ...
14:17 < jsaw> ok.
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14:22 < jsaw> going to the lab, cu later!
14:22 < rxr> cu jsaw
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14:32 < c4y0> hi!!!!!!!
14:33 < rxr> hi c4y0
14:34 < daja77> if you move sifuh over here i could finally leave woden ...
14:34 < rxr> daja77: ?
14:35 < daja77> i should repeat this when madtux is over her ;)
14:35 < c4y0> heheheh
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15:10 < madtux> hello
15:11 < rxr> moin madtux
15:11 < madtux> hello rene :)
15:12 < madtux> nice work on the rock -> toolchain thing
15:12 < daja77> hi madtux
15:12 < madtux> good day daja77 :)
15:12 < daja77> madtux: 14:36 < daja77> if you move sifuh over here i could finally leave woden ...
15:12 < daja77> :D
15:13 < rxr> madtux: we fixed the findutils find but you compiained about ...
15:13 < madtux> rxr: huh?
15:13 < rxr> the massisve debug_stat output ....
15:13 < madtux> daja77: :P
15:14 < madtux> ah.. yeah
15:14 < madtux> that was been caused by find?
15:14 < rxr> yes
15:14 < rxr> and you caused it
15:14 < rxr> (by updating)
15:14 < madtux> oh..
15:15 < madtux> i asked mnemoc if he saw this behavior and he said no..
15:15 < madtux> that why i though it was MY build host
15:15 < madtux> and not the update itself
15:15 < c4y0> im back!
15:16 < c4y0> wazzup madtux =)
15:16 < madtux> hi c4y0
15:16 < madtux> rxr: still i apologize for the problems caused then.
15:17 < rxr> no problem - we had to fix it sooner than later ...
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15:19 < rxr> hi _martin__
15:24 < madtux> okis.
15:25 < daja77> he ignores me ...
15:25 < madtux> daja77: i ignore u ?
15:27 < daja77> yes ..
15:27 < madtux> 0_o
15:28 < madtux> u mean because of the woden comment?
15:28 < daja77> yes it is idle and dead ...
15:28 < madtux> just leave it :)
15:30 < daja77> :D
15:37 < rxr> woden what?
15:39 < madtux> rxr: some project i was working on.. a personal distro.. or a buildkit using Makefiles, that would use BSD ports
15:39 < madtux> tht was long time ago
15:39 < rxr> ic
15:40 < madtux> nothing too fancy really
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16:16 < rxr> hi kensai
16:16 < kensai> hi rxr how r u today?
16:16 < madtux> welcome kensai
16:16 < madtux> :)
16:17 < kensai> thxs madtux
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16:42 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | The system development environment | GNU Auto* considered harmful
16:42 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Fri Dec 10 03:06:40 2004]
16:42 [Users #t2]
16:42 [ _martin__] [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr_ ]
16:42 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ daja77 ] [ kensai] [ nzg ] [ valentin]
16:42 [ c4y0 ] [ hannes_] [ madtux] [ rxr ]
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16:43 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
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16:44 < rxr> so bla
16:44 < rxr> just writing some lines - bla bla
16:44 < rxr> just to prevent me to post my IRC password again with arrow-up and enter ...
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18:12 < madtux> this kensai guy is raping the channel..
18:13 < madtux> ... inside .. outside.. inside.. outside..
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18:59 < _martin__> hi
19:01 < rxr> hi _martin__
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19:55 < _martin__> hi rxr
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20:11 < mnemoc> rxr: on mirror selection score
20:12 < mnemoc> moin!
20:12 < madtux> hello mnemoc
20:12 < mnemoc> hi madtux
20:19 < rxr> for who?
20:19 < rxr> hi mnemoc
20:19 < mnemoc> rxr: you showed that scores, not me :)
20:19 < madtux> ?!
20:20 < madtux> mnemoc: are u talking about yesterday?
20:20 < mnemoc> yes, rxr answered me a message from yesterday, i talk about yesterday :)
20:21 < rxr> but gsmp was way higher - just the nexus sucked ..
20:22 < mnemoc> i know, :)
22:11 < rxr> cu - later - I think
22:14 < mnemoc> you think?
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23:14 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5032 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): * Adds dhcpcd-scriptconfig, a modified version of dhcpcd to do the configuration using scripts
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23:57 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5033 /trunk/ (. package/develop/mod_mono/mod_mono.desc): * mod_mono updated (1.0.2 -> 1.0.5)
23:57 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5034 /trunk/ (. package/develop/mono-xsp/mono-xsp.desc): * mono-xsp updated (1.0.2 -> 1.0.5)
23:58 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5036 /trunk/ (. package/security/chkrootkit/head.patch): * chkrootkit's patch to fix head usage
23:58 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5035 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): * openldap updated (2.2.18 -> 2.2.19)
23:59 < mnemoc> http://cia.navi.cx/ <--- mnemoc will touch the sky today :)
23:59 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5037 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): * phppgadmin updated (3.4.1 -> 3.5)
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01:42 < rxr> brrrr. xanim on tv ...
01:45 < mnemoc> re
01:49 < rxr> hi mnemoc
01:50 < mnemoc> hi rxr
01:55 < mnemoc> rxr: what is all this debug_stawhile buidling tools?
01:59 < mnemoc> debug_stat()*
02:01 < rxr> hm?
02:06 < mnemoc> loooooooot of debuging info while building tools
02:06 < mnemoc> i guess it's one of your c++ helpers
02:08 < mnemoc> debug_stat (ladspa-vcf)
02:08 < mnemoc> pathname = package/./audio/ladspa-vcf, stop_at_current_level = 0
02:08 < mnemoc> debug_stat (ladspa-vcf)
02:08 < mnemoc> debug_stat (.)
02:08 < mnemoc> debug_stat (..)
02:08 < mnemoc> debug_stat (.)
02:09 < mnemoc> stuff like this
02:09 < mnemoc> and a tree too
02:12 < rxr> have not noticed it so far ...
02:14 < mnemoc> your machines are too fast :)
02:14 < rxr> in the package log? or on the screen while building the tools?
02:15 < rxr> what C++ helper?
02:15 < mnemoc> Building tools.chroot/wrapper/cmd_wrapper.
02:15 < mnemoc> cur_day_start = Wed Dec 8 22:10:51 2004
02:15 < mnemoc> Predicate List:
02:15 < mnemoc> ( path or path ) and prune or ( name ) and print
02:15 < mnemoc> Eval Tree:
02:15 < mnemoc> pred = or type = bi_op prec = or addr = 805ed98
02:15 < mnemoc> left:
02:15 < mnemoc> it starts like this :)
02:15 < rxr> looks like find ...
02:16 < rxr> maybe you built your coreutils (or where find is in) with debugging ?
02:16 < rxr> or some coreutils I do not yet run is buggy?
02:16 < mnemoc> it's a fresh minimal+xorg
02:16 < rxr> never saw it ...
02:16 < mnemoc> mike reported to get the same thing
02:17 < rxr> coreutils update?
02:18 < mnemoc> not since: r3089 (orig r4228): rene | 2004-10-09 08:23:12 -0400
02:19 < mnemoc> i have to study now... tomorrow i'lll try to catch it
02:19 < rxr> it is in findutils
02:19 < rxr> sorry about that
02:20 < rxr> Miguel Bolanos
02:20 < rxr> * Updated findutils (4.1.20 > 4.2.10)
02:20 < rxr> I think this update is to blame since the debug info is quite what find does internally ...
02:21 < rxr> oh - btw, could you add a colon to the end of the name
02:21 < mnemoc> yes.... as i was blaming your c++ helpers i didn't care about trying to recognize it
02:21 < rxr> what C++ helper do you mean?
02:21 < mnemoc> rxr: ok
02:21 < rxr> so far we have no C++ utilization in scripts ...
02:22 < mnemoc> i don't know, the stuff you want to code on c++ :)
02:22 < mnemoc> i thought you had added one with debugging enabled :p
02:22 < rxr> want to code != code present ;-)
02:22 < rxr> nope - nothing in the build system ...
02:22 < mnemoc> :)
02:22 < rxr> and so far the plan is to mostly build it up in source/ in parallel
02:23 < mnemoc> ic
02:23 < rxr> or maybe inject tiny chunks for the post-build flist dep tracking since the current sort -u | awk code is pretty slow ...
02:23 < rxr> but not until after 2.1 ...
02:24 < mnemoc> woot :)
02:29 < rxr> ?
02:29 < rxr> yep it is find
02:29 < mnemoc> good*
02:29 < rxr> I just emerged it on my athlon ..
02:30 < rxr> should I fix it ?
02:30 < rxr> debug_stat (.)
02:30 < rxr> ...
02:30 < mnemoc> i can't do it this night, tomorrow i can try
02:30 < mnemoc> (sorry about the balming)
02:30 < rxr> no problem
02:31 < mnemoc> balming=the thing steve balmer does :)
02:33 < rxr> ,)
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02:54 < rxr> wtf: scripts# vi patch-pp.pl
02:55 < mnemoc> *lag*
02:55 < rxr> ?
02:55 < mnemoc> my neightbor might be using the whole bandwidth
02:56 < mnemoc> i am _very_ laggeed
02:56 < rxr> tc qdisc add dev ppp0 root tbf rate 120kbit latency 70ms burst 2500
02:56 < rxr> helps on my side ...
02:56 < mnemoc> thanks :)
02:56 < rxr> this debug stat is annoying ...
02:56 < rxr> better I fix it right away ...
02:57 < rxr> yeah - I can not work this way ...
02:57 < mnemoc> i checked but there is no new version yet
02:57 < rxr> oh my - there are tons scrolling by ...
02:57 < rxr> ok - thanks - saves me some minutes ...
02:58 < mnemoc> my ssh with the root' screen has been frozen for 15 minutes :\
02:59 < mnemoc> top - 22:45:54 up 41 days, 2:00, 10 users, load average: 1.52, 1.49, 1.78
03:02 < rxr> .oO
03:02 < rxr> out --disable-debug enables debugging in find-utils
03:02 < rxr> those damn configure crap ..
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03:03 < mnemoc> full ack
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03:29 < rxr> checking whether debug output should be produced... no
03:30 < CIA-9> rene * r5008 /trunk/package/base/findutils/4.2.10-enable-debug.patch:
03:30 < CIA-9> * fixed findutils to correctly parse the arguments ... and thus not
03:30 < CIA-9> to enable debug if told not to ...
03:32 < CIA-9> rene * r5009 /trunk/package/base/findutils/findutils.desc: * added author email and me as maintainer to findutils
03:34 < rxr> sending upstream
03:37 < rxr> sent - so n8 all
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03:37 < rxr> hi kensai
03:38 < mnemoc> n8 rxr
03:39 < kensai> Hi
03:39 < mnemoc> hi kensai
03:39 < kensai> hi mnemoc
03:41 < rxr> hm - or do I commit the ROCK -> TOOLCHAIN work ...
03:41 < rxr> looks like this then, btw:
03:41 < rxr> Building tools in build/.../TOOLCHAIN/tools.cross:
03:41 < mnemoc> will you?
03:42 < rxr> instead of:
03:42 < mnemoc> i'm just about starting a new inimal+xorg
03:42 < rxr> ok - then I commit - sec.
03:44 < rxr> running
03:45 < CIA-9> rene * r5010 /trunk/ (24 files in 15 dirs):
03:45 < CIA-9> * carefully substituted (I hope every occurance) of build/.../ROCK to
03:45 < CIA-9> TOOLCHAIN - so far it built nicely
03:45 < rxr> have fun
03:45 < mnemoc> gn8 rene :)
03:45 < rxr> and do not forget that Cleanup is incompatible with old ROCK builds ...
03:45 < rxr> it will remove your t2 dir ... :-(
03:46 < rxr> as it did here ...
03:46 < rxr> yeah - good night ;-)
03:46 < jsaw> will build/.../ROCK build/.../TOOLCHAIN work without problems?
03:46 < mnemoc> o_O
03:46 < rxr> ^- mv
03:46 < rxr> no idea
03:46 < rxr> maybe mostly ...
03:46 < jsaw> mv
03:46 < jsaw> yes
03:46 < mnemoc> disable Cleanup if that happens
03:46 < jsaw> anyway, sleep well rxr
03:46 < rxr> the Cleanup will at least not remove the builddir ...
03:47 < rxr> but maybe it will not build due to hardcoding somewhere in the generated files ...
03:47 < rxr> yeah - nigth all
03:47 < mnemoc> gn8
03:47 < mnemoc> hi jsaw
03:48 < jsaw> hi mnemoc
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04:01 < jsaw> Cleanup was probably only harmful because there was a link left pointing to the build/.../ROCK/src.... left.
04:01 < jsaw> -left
04:04 < mnemoc> :)
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04:22 < jsaw> mv .../ROCK .../TOOLCHAIN seems to work
04:22 < mnemoc> until now :)
04:23 < mnemoc> i'm at 1-glibc
04:23 < mnemoc> and you?
04:24 < jsaw> rebuilding dietlibc,gcc,reiserfsprogs,rock-doc,sysfiles,udev
04:24 < jsaw> then there should come artsd....
04:24 < jsaw> now I'm at
04:24 < jsaw> 0-gcc
04:24 < jsaw> let's see.
04:24 < mnemoc> i'm doing a fresh minimal+xorg
04:24 < jsaw> At least this is good sign:
04:25 < jsaw> Removing old output logs ...
04:25 < jsaw> -> Removing var/adm/logs/5-arts.out ...
04:25 < mnemoc> :)
04:26 < mnemoc> why rtsp is 'O'?
04:27 < jsaw> C++ incompats?
04:28 < mnemoc> uhm?
04:29 < jsaw> <- no idea, not really...
04:30 < mnemoc> :)
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04:51 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5011 /trunk/: * clip updated to 1.1.12-113
04:51 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5012 /trunk/ (22 files in 12 dirs):
04:51 < CIA-9> Miguel Bolanos
04:51 < CIA-9> * Added selinux package repository
04:51 < CIA-9> * Added PublicDomain license for uncopyrighted software
04:52 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5013 /trunk/ (10 files in 10 dirs): * tinyfixes on selinux/*.desc
04:53 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5018 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): * cvm updated (0.18 -> 0.31)
04:54 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5014 /trunk/ (. misc/archive/compare.sh): * fix compare.sh to handle better missing packages
04:54 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5015 /trunk/ (. package/develop/mono/mono.desc): * Mono updated (1.0.2 -> 1.1.2)
04:55 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5016 /trunk/:
04:55 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5017 /trunk/ (. package/develop/bglibs/bglibs.desc): * bglibs updated (1.017 -> 1.019)
04:56 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5024 /trunk/ (. package/develop/gdb/gdb.desc): * Adds checksum to gdb
04:56 < mnemoc> uhm
04:57 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5020 /trunk/ (11 files in 10 dirs): * removes wrongly inserted header to selinux packages (SORRY)
04:58 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5025 /trunk/ (. package/games/powermanga/powermanga.desc):
04:58 < CIA-9> * powermanga updated (0.78 -> 0.79)
04:58 < CIA-9> * powermanga download location changed to one versioned
04:58 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5026 /trunk/ (. package/develop/icecream/icecream.desc): * Adds checksum for icecream
05:00 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5027 /trunk/ (. package/develop/valgrind/valgrind.desc): * Adds checksum for valgrind(-ppc)
05:00 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5028 /trunk/ (. package/gnome2/gtkextra/gtkextra.desc): * no checksum for cvs:// (gtkextra)
05:01 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5019 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): * mono updated (1.1.2 -> 1.1.3) (mcs package doesn't exist now)
05:01 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5022 /trunk/:
05:02 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5021 /trunk/:
05:03 < jsaw> mnemoc: copyright headers of selinux.{desc,conf}?
05:03 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5023 /trunk/ (. package/base/hddtemp/hddtemp.desc): * update checksum of hddtemp.db to 2004-11-29
05:03 < mnemoc> my initial commit included them
05:04 < mnemoc> next to that i removed them
05:04 < jsaw> oh, 5020
05:04 < mnemoc> on 5020
05:04 < mnemoc> svk enqueue the changes
05:04 < jsaw> svn diff -r... sadly does not yield a flat diff...
05:05 < mnemoc> and i porefered to send the bunch incrementaly instead of a single one to preserve history better
05:05 < mnemoc> no?
05:05 < jsaw> no prob. only the svn diff -r5010:5020 confused me
05:05 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5029 /trunk/ (. package/multimedia/rtsp/rtsp.desc): * rtsp updated (2004.11.26 -> 2004.12.09) and set as X instead of O
05:06 < mnemoc> 5029 was my last commit
05:06 < mnemoc> that one
05:06 < jsaw> no, come on, go go go
05:07 < mnemoc> tests in progress :)
05:07 < mnemoc> svk is cool :)
05:07 < jsaw> looks like your quite happy with it...
05:07 < mnemoc> sure
05:08 < mnemoc> i can play a lot, commiting, reverting, blah blah blah, and finally i can commit everything incrementally preserving commit messages
05:09 < mnemoc> i can also do star-merge, an keep many branches without loosing lot of space
05:09 < jsaw> package already made for t2?
05:09 < mnemoc> 43 perl dependencies :\
05:10 < jsaw> and?
05:11 < mnemoc> considering cpan does it better than i creating 43 new pacakges i choose to spend my time updating and fixing current stuff :)
05:11 < jsaw> :)
05:11 < mnemoc> i have the list if you want
05:12 < mnemoc> btw, it's fun to see that chilean mirror is faster than gsmp's to you :)
05:13 < jsaw> no, I wait for the package ;)
05:13 < jsaw> hehe
05:14 < mnemoc> :p
05:14 < mnemoc> mike said the same :)
05:15 < jsaw> I'd love to play with it, but as I already said I have to do a lot... so I just said it to protect myself...
05:16 < mnemoc> :)
05:16 < jsaw> I don't want to but I should take a nap now :( damn body
05:16 < jsaw> [COPY] have a look at http://www.rocklinux.org/ and the Documentation/TEAM
05:17 < jsaw> ups
05:17 < mnemoc> there are lot of those
05:17 < jsaw> the middle button on my thinkpad is far too large...
05:18 < jsaw> g'night
05:18 < mnemoc> gn8 jsaw
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10:36 < rxr> moin
10:42 < rxr> mnemoc: where is your server faster than gsmp?
12:35 < rxr> hey people - gimp has a --no-splash option - never noticed it so far ...
12:37 < rxr> gimp does indeed "boot up" way faster with the option - so without splash screen ...
12:38 < rxr> 6 sec. vs. 2 sec. on my 800Mhz iBook ...
13:57 < rxr> hm - under osx the switching from line-out to internal speakers takes one second - under linux it immedietly performs the switching ...
13:57 < jsaw> re
13:57 < jsaw> hi rxr
13:57 < rxr> hi
13:57 < jsaw> I think Cleanup is save.
13:57 < rxr> g'morning jsaw
13:58 < jsaw> g'morning ;)
13:58 < rxr> I think the switch is save, too - my athlon built quite fine ...
13:58 < jsaw> there was probably a link left "src...." -> "build/.../ROCK/src..."
14:00 < rxr> yes, the ROCK/* dirs have been loop mounted ...
14:00 < jsaw> oh, mv ROCK TOOLCHAIN works w/o probs
14:00 < jsaw> btw
14:05 < jsaw> rxr: -A "T2 SDE -Disk $x" -P 'T2 System Develop Environment - http://t2.exactcode.de' for Create-ISO ok?
14:07 < rxr> mostly
14:07 < rxr> the url is http://www.exactcode.de/t2 ....
14:07 < rxr> or should I setup t2.* ?
14:08 < rxr> maybe we should rahter register s.th. like www.t2-sde.org ... ?
14:08 < rxr> rather even
14:09 < jsaw> okay, let's do www.../t2 first and then switch the Create-ISO to a dedicated web site (t2-sde sounds good)!?
14:11 < rxr> jups - just commit the current stat would be great
14:11 < jsaw> -P 'T2 System Develop Environment - http://www.exactcode.de/t2'
14:11 < jsaw> committed
14:11 < CIA-9> jsaw * r5030 /trunk/scripts/Create-ISO: * switch ISO titles in scripts/Create-ISO also
14:13 < CIA-9> jsaw * r5031 /trunk/misc/archive/newpackage.sh: * remove ROCK header from newpackage.sh
14:14 < jsaw> (oh, I meant automatic header creation)
14:14 < daja77> you could change commit messages after commit ...
14:14 < jsaw> daja77: how?
14:15 < rxr> jsaw: not remotely ...
14:15 < rxr> I did not enabled this - and do not plan to ...
14:15 < daja77> :)
14:15 < rxr> I can to this on the server - if you like ...
14:15 < daja77> playing with the properties ...
14:15 < jsaw> oh, now daja77 knows that I didn't remove the copyright only copyright creation on new files...
14:15 < jsaw> so shouldn't be a problem... :)
14:16 < daja77> O_o
14:16 < jsaw> I don't want anybody from ROCK to think that I remove Copyrights from files.
14:16 < daja77> ok
14:17 < rxr> jsaw: I just code - remind me later and I tweak it ...
14:17 < rxr> so it is correctly in the auto-created changelog ...
14:17 < jsaw> ok.
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14:22 < jsaw> going to the lab, cu later!
14:22 < rxr> cu jsaw
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14:32 < c4y0> hi!!!!!!!
14:33 < rxr> hi c4y0
14:34 < daja77> if you move sifuh over here i could finally leave woden ...
14:34 < rxr> daja77: ?
14:35 < daja77> i should repeat this when madtux is over her ;)
14:35 < c4y0> heheheh
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15:10 < madtux> hello
15:11 < rxr> moin madtux
15:11 < madtux> hello rene :)
15:12 < madtux> nice work on the rock -> toolchain thing
15:12 < daja77> hi madtux
15:12 < madtux> good day daja77 :)
15:12 < daja77> madtux: 14:36 < daja77> if you move sifuh over here i could finally leave woden ...
15:12 < daja77> :D
15:13 < rxr> madtux: we fixed the findutils find but you compiained about ...
15:13 < madtux> rxr: huh?
15:13 < rxr> the massisve debug_stat output ....
15:13 < madtux> daja77: :P
15:14 < madtux> ah.. yeah
15:14 < madtux> that was been caused by find?
15:14 < rxr> yes
15:14 < rxr> and you caused it
15:14 < rxr> (by updating)
15:14 < madtux> oh..
15:15 < madtux> i asked mnemoc if he saw this behavior and he said no..
15:15 < madtux> that why i though it was MY build host
15:15 < madtux> and not the update itself
15:15 < c4y0> im back!
15:16 < c4y0> wazzup madtux =)
15:16 < madtux> hi c4y0
15:16 < madtux> rxr: still i apologize for the problems caused then.
15:17 < rxr> no problem - we had to fix it sooner than later ...
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15:19 < rxr> hi _martin__
15:24 < madtux> okis.
15:25 < daja77> he ignores me ...
15:25 < madtux> daja77: i ignore u ?
15:27 < daja77> yes ..
15:27 < madtux> 0_o
15:28 < madtux> u mean because of the woden comment?
15:28 < daja77> yes it is idle and dead ...
15:28 < madtux> just leave it :)
15:30 < daja77> :D
15:37 < rxr> woden what?
15:39 < madtux> rxr: some project i was working on.. a personal distro.. or a buildkit using Makefiles, that would use BSD ports
15:39 < madtux> tht was long time ago
15:39 < rxr> ic
15:40 < madtux> nothing too fancy really
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16:16 < rxr> hi kensai
16:16 < kensai> hi rxr how r u today?
16:16 < madtux> welcome kensai
16:16 < madtux> :)
16:17 < kensai> thxs madtux
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16:42 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Fri Dec 10 03:06:40 2004]
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16:44 < rxr> so bla
16:44 < rxr> just writing some lines - bla bla
16:44 < rxr> just to prevent me to post my IRC password again with arrow-up and enter ...
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18:12 < madtux> this kensai guy is raping the channel..
18:13 < madtux> ... inside .. outside.. inside.. outside..
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18:59 < _martin__> hi
19:01 < rxr> hi _martin__
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19:55 < _martin__> hi rxr
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20:11 < mnemoc> rxr: on mirror selection score
20:12 < mnemoc> moin!
20:12 < madtux> hello mnemoc
20:12 < mnemoc> hi madtux
20:19 < rxr> for who?
20:19 < rxr> hi mnemoc
20:19 < mnemoc> rxr: you showed that scores, not me :)
20:19 < madtux> ?!
20:20 < madtux> mnemoc: are u talking about yesterday?
20:20 < mnemoc> yes, rxr answered me a message from yesterday, i talk about yesterday :)
20:21 < rxr> but gsmp was way higher - just the nexus sucked ..
20:22 < mnemoc> i know, :)
22:11 < rxr> cu - later - I think
22:14 < mnemoc> you think?
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23:14 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5032 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): * Adds dhcpcd-scriptconfig, a modified version of dhcpcd to do the configuration using scripts
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23:57 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5033 /trunk/ (. package/develop/mod_mono/mod_mono.desc): * mod_mono updated (1.0.2 -> 1.0.5)
23:57 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5034 /trunk/ (. package/develop/mono-xsp/mono-xsp.desc): * mono-xsp updated (1.0.2 -> 1.0.5)
23:58 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5036 /trunk/ (. package/security/chkrootkit/head.patch): * chkrootkit's patch to fix head usage
23:58 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5035 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): * openldap updated (2.2.18 -> 2.2.19)
23:59 < mnemoc> http://cia.navi.cx/ <--- mnemoc will touch the sky today :)
23:59 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5037 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): * phppgadmin updated (3.4.1 -> 3.5)
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