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00:00 < jsaw> wtf does xmms spin thru all oggs/mp3s now... (4000+) ???
00:11 < jsaw> hrgl. smbmount doesn't follow symlinks...
00:11 < jsaw> (or let's say not anymore)
00:11 < jsaw> ???
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00:29 < rxr> jsaw: no idea - I only use SMB stuff once in a year ...
00:29 < rxr> sorry for the latency - just had night dinner and am full in debugging this scanner ...
00:30 < jsaw> rxr: adding "unix extensions = no" to smb.conf solved the problem...
00:42 < rxr> ;-)
01:29 < jsaw> rxr: ping
01:33 < rxr> pong
01:33 < jsaw> how do I add an element to a std::list
01:33 < jsaw> ?
01:34 < rxr> oeh
01:34 < rxr> your_list.push_back (); 
01:34 < rxr> ?
01:34 < jsaw> ah
01:35 < jsaw> I was stuck after "add, append"...
01:35 < rxr> well, insert with (iterator, x) will work, too
01:35 < jsaw> (haven't done any C++ since ages...
01:36 < rxr> poor jsaw ;-)
01:39 < jsaw> ages means a couple of month, but my harddisk is to small -> very effective removal algorithm...
01:39 < jsaw> too...
01:52 < rxr> I should place a switchable outlet on my desk so I do not need to stand up to power toggle the scanenr that often
01:53 < rxr> alt least it might count as some form of gym ...
02:00 < jsaw> ...
02:00 < jsaw> getting my ICH4 sound to work was easier though I had to fight quite some oopses
02:01 < jsaw> oh btw, oops, remember my installation report? The tridentfb module oopses on my machine.
02:03  * rxr quickly doing a reboot in osx - and then off in some secs ...
02:04 < rxr> oh - damn - a mv of big files on my athlon is still running in a xterm ..
02:04 < rxr> damn - neraly closed it accidently ...
02:04 < rxr> to bad it is not running in a screen ...
02:05 < rxr> damn big mpeg2 dvb-t dumps ...
02:05 < rxr> need s.th. to cut the commercials and recode them ...
02:27 < jsaw> need sleep, cu!
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02:39 < rxr> cu jsaw 
02:39  * rxr 
02:39 < rxr> away, too
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05:18 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ daja77 ] [ mnemoc   ] [ rxr ] 
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07:49 < hannes_> moin
11:10 < valentin> moin
11:40 < _martin__> moin
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13:31 < mnemoc> oi
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14:28 < rxr> moin
14:30 < mnemoc> moin rxr 
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14:34 < rxr> moin
14:34 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
14:36 < mnemoc> lol pcchipsusa.com share 'pkunzip.zip' :)
15:04 < rxr> due to news entries and thus PR I threw the gnome2 updates from the C++ checker thru patch ...
15:04 < rxr> gnome 2.8.2 update now test-building on the iBook - commit as soon as it finished ...
15:06 < mnemoc> news?
15:06 < rxr> gnome 2.8.2 release everywhere ...
15:07 < mnemoc> i heard about kde 3.3.2, but nowthing about gnome :)
15:09 < rxr> oh - kde?
15:09 < rxr> thanks ;-)
15:10 < mnemoc> :p
15:19 < rxr> mnemoc: Mono 1.0.5
15:24 < mnemoc> i was going to 1.1
15:24 < mnemoc> do you prefer 1.0?
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15:26 < madtux> hello.
15:26 < rxr> i do use neither
15:29 < madtux> so its sad to know the fact that minimal is not enough to build t2-selinux
15:30 < madtux> but oh well
15:30 < mnemoc> hi mike
15:30 < madtux> does anyone know on which package is "jw" in?
15:30 < madtux> good mnemoc how are u today?
15:31 < mnemoc> fine, studing for my exam of macroeconomics tomorrow
15:31 < mnemoc> madtux: use the sonar :)
15:32 < madtux> good. have fun with it :)
15:32 < madtux> the sonar..
15:32 < madtux> we need our own sonar :)
15:32 < mnemoc> i guess it's GPL :)
15:33 < mnemoc> rxr: do you have your flists neither your webserver?
15:33 < madtux> we shall see
15:33 < mnemoc> sonar is an automatized grep over one of a set of flists
15:36 < rxr> I'll not use sonar
15:37 < rxr> s.th. similar is long planned however - I wanted this in rock before blindcoder brought it up ...
15:37 < rxr> but I can add it soon ...
15:37 < madtux> mnemoc: i just tested it.. doesn't look very usefull
15:37 < mnemoc> i asked you lot of times for it :)
15:38 < rxr> mnemoc: I know
15:40 < madtux> mnemoc: so when are u packing svk?
15:40 < madtux> :)
15:40 < mnemoc> no until we have a method to import from cpan
15:40 < mnemoc> maybe t2-3.2? :)
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15:43 < madtux> mnemoc: bah
15:44 < madtux> rxr: any updates on sparc isos
15:44 < madtux> :) 
15:45 < rxr> nah - I have this important payed work to do - and thus no t2 playing except version updates I can do on-th-fly ..
15:45 < madtux> rxr: ah sure i understand :)
16:14 < CIA-9> rene * r4997 /trunk/package/filesystem/reiser4progs/ (reiser4progs.conf reiser4progs.desc): 
16:14 < CIA-9> * updated reiser4progs (1.0.2 -> 1.0.3) including attempt to fix
16:14 < CIA-9>  copilation with old libaal installed
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16:43 < rxr> identifiy -CENSORED-
16:43 < rxr> ophm
16:43 < rxr> damn
16:43 < daja77> *gg*
16:43 < mnemoc> hehe
16:43 < rxr> damn history ...
16:44 < rxr> who needs an history in irc clients anyway ...
16:44  * mnemoc tring a 'ghost'
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16:46 < hannes_> rehi rxr 
16:46 < mnemoc> rxr: changing passwords after .sth like that is a must :)
16:47 < mnemoc> (sorry :()
16:47 < rxr> mnemoc: I was just on it ..
16:47 < mnemoc> :\
16:48 < rxr> so damn bastart changed ..
16:48  * mnemoc trying a 'ghost'
16:48 < rxr> and lucky you that noone else changed it before I got reconnected due to your damn ghost thing ...
16:48 < mnemoc> you still here?
16:48 < mnemoc> :D
16:49 < CIA-9> jsaw * r4998 /trunk/package/base/binutils/binutils-2.15.94.0.1-fix_strip-1.patch: 
16:49 < CIA-9> * binutils patch downloaded from LFS:
16:49 < CIA-9> With this version of binutils, TLS information is lost when
16:49 < CIA-9> stripping libc.a. This patch fixes the problem.
16:49 < CIA-9> Binutils bugzilla id 574.
16:49 < rxr> ok - who is our new stable maintainer?
16:49 < hannes_> mnemoc: just try -CENSORED- =)
16:49 < mnemoc> LOL
16:50 < mnemoc> -CENSORED- ?
16:50 < rxr> hannes_: although my IRC password is not that vital and I do not use as restricted password as i use for valueable services I was not that dump ..
16:50 < madtux> rxr: well i though it was mnemoc ?
16:50 < hannes_> rxr: i was just kidding...i belive you
16:50 < mnemoc> i was pruged after proposing linuxconf! :)
16:50 < rxr> madtux: who ghosted my right now ?
16:50 < hannes_> rxr: my irc pass is quite simple, too
16:50 < rxr> 123 ?
16:50 < rxr> or abc ?
16:51 < hannes_> no, not that simple... =)
16:51 < rxr> let me tryx
16:51 < rxr> password or passwort ?
16:51 < rxr> *g*
16:51 < mnemoc> qwert?
16:51 < hannes_> heck, i wanted to tell you :)
16:52 < madtux> rxr: no i ment the new stable maintainer?
16:52 < rxr> mnemoc: no without t so typable without moving the fingers
16:52 < CIA-9> jsaw * r4999 /trunk/package/base/gcc/gcc-3.4.3-linkonce-1.patch: * gcc patch (fix for linkonce bug) downloaded from LFS
16:53 < jsaw> okay, what do I commit now to get the 5000...
16:53 < mnemoc> true :)
16:53 < rxr> well I have a kde and gnome update over here ...
16:53 < rxr> includign some other random stuff to be reviwed before commit ...
16:53 < hannes_> rxr: kde 3.3.2?
16:53 < rxr> yep
16:53 < hannes_> cool..
16:53 < mnemoc> i have some updates on test, so more commits will follow
16:53 < rxr> of course ... + gnome 2.8.2
16:54 < hannes_> rxr: done by your UpdateProggi?
16:54 < rxr> mostly ..
16:54 < rxr> I run it over the repository and did some manual cleanup
16:54 < CIA-9> jsaw * r5000 /trunk/package/perl/perl-finance-quote/ (. perl-finance-quote.desc): 
16:54 < CIA-9> * add package perl-finance-quote 1.08
16:54 < CIA-9>  (used by gnucash)
16:54 < rxr> I noticed some versions yielded by the C++ code are very invalid - need to review that
16:54  * mnemoc gives a glass of wine to jsaw 
16:54 < jsaw> :)
16:55 < mnemoc> cheers!
16:55 < jsaw> thanks!
16:55 < rxr> and another inconvienience is that data snapshots are often sorted higher than versions since the version is compared up to the next alpha num transition change ...
16:55 < rxr> welcome jsaw!
16:55 < CIA-9> jsaw * r5001 /trunk/package/x86/grub/stone_mod_grub.sh: * fix grub stone module (initrd.img is missing version ext)
16:56 < jsaw> hi rxr
16:56 < rxr> so e.g. 2004-12-06 is higher than 2.1.2 ...
16:56 < rxr> this can not be easily added to a sane version comparator - I think
16:56 < hannes_> rxr: so some packages got updated to kde 3.4-alpha?
16:56 < mnemoc> what about version patterns?
16:57 < rxr> so I most probably special case it and filter dates out explicitly ... - and only use the dated versions if the package version is already a date
16:57 < mnemoc> compare only between the same patterns
16:57 < rxr> hannes_: no - becaus I did not run the version checker over kde - it needs one more feature to be usable ok kde, because they sort each release into an extra dir ...
16:58 < CIA-9> jsaw * r5002 /trunk/target/desktop/kernel.conf.sh: 
16:58 < CIA-9> * $arch is unset while including target/desktop/kernel.conf.sh,
16:58 < CIA-9>  -> replace with ROCKCFG_ARCH
16:58 < rxr> the logic in the Checker must be extended to check the next and 2nd dir above the current dir to contain a version and parse that dir content in that case ..
16:58 < daja77> they have an annoying scheme ...
16:58 < rxr> some projects use it - e.g. mozilla, too ...
16:59 < rxr> so I add this logic to the checker ...
16:59 < rxr> but I used the checker on gnome ..
16:59 < daja77> i disliked the dir is called 3.3 and they packages with 3.3.0
16:59 < rxr> if extended the checker would not pick the untable kde, since it is in a additional unstable dir ...
16:59 < rxr> yep - this sucks majorly 
17:00 < mnemoc> daja77: that can be solved looping over [D] checking different iterations of ${version%$delimiter*}
17:01 < jsaw> okay, now waiting how many previously broken packages now build due to binutils/gcc patch...
17:01 < jsaw> cu later!!!
17:01 < mnemoc> dont' hide jsaw!
17:01 < jsaw> (hi and bye daja77, btw)
17:01 < rxr> cu jsaw 
17:01 < jsaw> mnemoc: why?
17:02 < jsaw> mnemoc: I have to, my thesis finishing plan is delayed...
17:02 < mnemoc> you can't run right after patching bintuils/gcc
17:02 < mnemoc> ok ok
17:02 < mnemoc> run
17:03 < jsaw> :) (I'm reading the channel whenever I can)
17:03 < jsaw> cu
17:03 < mnemoc> =)
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17:13 < madtux> rxr: are u back to stay? :)
17:14 < rxr> depends ...
17:14 < mnemoc> on?
17:14 < madtux> :)
17:15 < rxr> just joking ...
17:15 < madtux> :P
17:15 < rxr> I just reconnected because due to mnemoc ghosting me and I wanted to get my passwd changed I had some mess inmy irssi with two server connections and so ...
17:16 < rxr> this is why I started from scratch
17:18 < rxr> so  - password -CENSORED- in the logs ..
17:18 < rxr> just in case ...
17:18 < rxr> madtux: yes I asnwered you - maybe read the log ...
17:19 < madtux> mnemoc: i'm not saying NOW.. i just say we should do something about it... then i again i'm just a user and its just my personal point of view
17:19 < rxr> I suggested misc/share or misc/data ... or so ..
17:19 < rxr> and agreed ...
17:19 < madtux> rxr: i don't have the log :(
17:19 < rxr> but we have ...
17:19 < mnemoc> share sounds ok
17:19 < rxr> it is even linked on our t2 homepage ...
17:19 < madtux> share sounds like the right name
17:19 < madtux> what's liked to the t2 home?
17:19 < rxr> we even might like this before 2.1
17:19 < rxr> as changing ROCK to TOOLCHAIN ...
17:20 < madtux> i would like that
17:20 < madtux> and shuld not affect that much
17:20 < madtux> should*
17:20 < rxr> both a quite trival changes and regressions can be fixed within minutes ... - if we couse regressions somewhere ...
17:20 < mnemoc> rxr: can you answer my mail (the non-linuxconf part)
17:20 < rxr> btw. notice how we choose the names - instead s/ROCK/T2/ we do not that brand enforcement all over the place .. ;-)
17:21 < rxr> ok - will do - but first I need some food in the house ...
17:21 < rxr> so off to some shops - back in 15 minutes or so ...
17:21 < madtux> enjoy rxr 
17:21 < madtux> i'm liking this project, even users opinin counts :)
17:22 < madtux> opinion*
17:22 < rxr> if we agree about the TOOLCHAIN and misc/share relocation I could do so on my athlon and just start a new build righht away  ...
17:22 < rxr> so - cu
17:22 < rxr>  ;-)
17:22 < mnemoc> madtux: you are co-developer, not 'user'
17:22 < mnemoc> cu rxr
17:22 < madtux> mnemoc: i'm a user.
17:23 < rxr> *lol*
17:23 < madtux> anways i would say rxr go ahead! make the TOOLCHAIN and misc/share thing happen ;)
17:23 < rxr> however you wanna define it ...
17:23 < madtux> rxr: well the project leader have not said i'm a developer :)
17:23 < mnemoc> i said 'co-' :)
17:23 < madtux> i don't autodefine myself :)
17:23 < madtux> :P
17:47 < rxr> re
17:47 < rxr> annoying  world
17:47 < rxr> my favourite backery was closed from unknown reasons ...
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17:49 < rxr> and I got a overdue notice for the teephone line although I long transfered the money, I just called them - yes the money is accumulated to your account? Oh really, what day? Oeh. the 6z
17:49 < rxr> th. Wow! And why do you send a invoice notive out at the 7th ...
17:49 < rxr> no idea .. Yeah - /me neither ....
17:49 < rxr> damn telecom ...
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18:47 < rxr> no CIA present ?
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18:47 < rxr> hm - maybe it was to big for CIA ...
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19:30 < rxr> hm - they seem to have hacked CIA to only post small commit messages ...
19:34 < rxr> how to rename the rock-* packages? build-debug, or 00-debug?? and remove the rock-src one? or how to rename that?
19:43 < mnemoc> why remove rock-srC?
19:44 < rxr> do we need it as a package?
19:44 < rxr> at least it should get a sensible name
19:44 < mnemoc> t2?
19:45 < rxr> at least - if not s.th. more generic ;-)
19:45 < mnemoc> that pacakge is in fact a copy of t2 package
19:46 < mnemoc> brb
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19:57 < rxr> rehi madtux 
19:57 < madtux> danke.
19:57 < rxr> I'm just doing the ROCK TOOLCHAIN transformation
19:57 < madtux> great :)
19:57 < madtux> rxr: quick question
19:58 < madtux> would u like mt to submit selinux stuff as i progress or do u prefer to get all in one when its totally ready?
19:58 < madtux> s/mt/me
19:58 < rxr> how intrusive is it? do you seperate all the stuff so it does not interfere the normal packages?
19:59 < rxr> step -by- step integration is often favourable - or even post them to the lsit just for review and comments  ...
19:59 < madtux> well so far this what we have:
20:00 < rxr>  Build-Pkg    |   50 ++++++++++++------------
20:00 < rxr>  Build-Tools  |  122 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++------------------------------
20:00 < rxr>  parse-config |   26 ++++++------
20:00 < madtux> - Adding  a new package repository "selinux" which will ONLY contain selinux especific patches of course.
20:00 < madtux> - Add a new package category for selinux stuff.
20:01 < rxr> new category? doesn't securitiy fit?
20:01 < madtux> - Add an additional "licence" which is actually public domain, used in one of the packages for selinux
20:01 < madtux> - Patching a few base packages, we can just include the package lines commented for now so it doesn't affect the current stability of the packages
20:02 < rxr> what do you alter? we should those additions somwhere at the selinux packages and only inject the stuff when selinux is used
20:03 < rxr> in some way as done with dietlibc ...
20:03 < rxr> e.g. patching and custom options ..
20:03 < madtux> securitycould be too yes
20:03 < madtux> though it wouldn't affect at all if selinux is not enabled
20:03 < madtux> so we can also patch stuff as is
20:04 < mnemoc> re
20:04 < madtux> the security repos ios ok too.. i just though u might would have prefered to keep it in another respos
20:04 < madtux> hello mn
20:04 < mnemoc> hi mike
20:05 < madtux> and yeah maybe is just my lazyness prefering to add a repos to the pkgsel that every pkg
20:05 < mnemoc> do you patch base packages telepaticly or modifying their own .conf-s?
20:06 < mnemoc> i guess selinux as repo but security as category
20:06 < madtux> mnemoc: good suggestion
20:06 < madtux> mnemoc: i patch with [O] flag :)
20:07 < rxr> madtux: no the selinux repository is pretty fine - I was talking about the category you mentioned ....
20:07 < mnemoc> have you seen how uclibc does the patching?
20:07 < rxr> nope
20:07 < mnemoc> that was to madtux :)
20:07 < madtux> rxr: ok category security will be more than fine
20:08 < mnemoc> using pkg_${pkg}_pre.conf you inject from one package to another the patch and needed config 
20:08 < madtux> mnemoc: no, but as i said before the selinux patches to the base packages which noit so many will not brake anything, and will not make it behave in any extrange way when selinux is not enabled
20:09 < madtux> but yeah if u wan make this less hardcoded and more dinamic i would go for it
20:09 < mnemoc> i guess it's cleaner
20:09 < madtux> i don't like hardcoded stuff
20:09 < mnemoc> there are _many_ extension packages and we shall not addapt every extendee to know all his extenders
20:09 < madtux> i will look at the uclibc stuff
20:10 < mnemoc> uclibc does it via parse-config iirc
20:10 < mnemoc> because it alters any config.sub it found
20:10 < madtux> ok so how about i start sending some patches out?
20:11 < mnemoc> ipsvd is a better example
20:11 < mnemoc> rxr: ?
20:12 < madtux> now.. there will be need to add an option at the Config to enable or diable selinux
20:13 < madtux> mnemoc: but no we come to this..
20:13 < madtux> we should be able to allow the user to enable selinux even after installing the system
20:13 < rxr> mnemoc: yes?
20:13 < mnemoc> rxr: madtux did a question to you :)
20:14 < madtux> if we do it in the "uclibc" way that u are proposing .. then it will be a nightmare to enable selinux if it wasn't build with the feature on
20:14 < mnemoc> madtux: after???
20:14 < rxr> madtux: what would be nightmare?
20:14 < rxr> I just proposed not to hack extensions into other packages - the packages should be left clean and simple ..
20:15 < rxr> if s.h
20:15 < madtux> mnemoc: well let me give u an example.. on fedora core they support selinux.. and the only thing that a user has to do is change the setting on grub.conf tyo selinux=1
20:15 < rxr> if s.th. extents it it should be done by the extendee
20:15 < rxr> that is e.g. via parse-config to inject custom stuff ...
20:15 < mnemoc> here we disagree absolutly 
20:15 < madtux> rxr: not necesarilly a nightmare but why would i have to compile/build stuff after an instalation, why can't i have an easier option
20:15 < mnemoc> :\
20:16 < rxr> why do you think you have to build it after the package ... ?
20:16 < rxr> madtux:  I thought you need to add options or patches to other packages, right?
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20:17 < c4y0> hi
20:17 < mnemoc> madtux: if your build was done to support selinux, it can be enabled and disabled on runtime
20:17 < rxr> so instead of adding it to the other package - e.g. with an conditional like pkginstalled selinux && bla bla
20:17 < mnemoc> hi c4y0 
20:17 < madtux> well yes... lets say to mention a few i must patch, shadow, cron, sysvinit, coretuils
20:17 < rxr> you add a parse-config to your base selinux package that does this:
20:17 < rxr> hi c4y0 
20:17 < madtux> welcome c0
20:17 < madtux> c4y0*
20:17 < rxr> case $pkg in)
20:18 < mnemoc> rxr: when you tell a package to support something if dependency is available is ok to do it in it's own .conf
20:18 < rxr> util-linux) var_append patchfiles " " "custom-selinux.patch"
20:18 < rxr> ;;
20:18 < rxr> ...) ...
20:18 < mnemoc> rxr: _BUT_ if your pacakge hacks it, injecting a new and absolutly third-party functionality that must be done remotely, imo
20:18 < rxr> ;;
20:18 < rxr> esac
20:19 < rxr> yes - all evil patching and such should not go into normal packages ....
20:19 < mnemoc> selinux is an extension extern to binutils, for example
20:19 < madtux> rxr: that will _STILL_ make the whole dependednt to wether id ecide to enable selinux or not on my build
20:19 < rxr> e.f. id dietlibc or uclibc or selinux or uml need special hacks they are responsible to inject it ...
20:19 < mnemoc> binutils maintainer don't have to maintain that extension, selinux's has to
20:20 < madtux> can't we just patch the things is selinux-ready... just waiting for the user or even the new c++ pkg manager to enable selinux on the system
20:20 < rxr> ad you want to inject new features into packages that continue to work without selinux enabled?
20:20 < rxr> then it might be ok to patch some basic packages ...
20:20 < madtux> if selinux is not enabled then it will behave as normal
20:20 < mnemoc> but it will be patched
20:21 < mnemoc> every build of $foo on t2 will have selinux on it
20:21 < madtux> mnemoc: where is the big deal?! its going to add functionality? its not going to brake anything 
20:21 < madtux> neither the package itself or its dependencies
20:21 < mnemoc> your patch to bintuils may broke my patch to uclibc, for example
20:22 < mnemoc> two patches can affect the same part of a package
20:22 < rxr> it might cause regressions - and hard to track errors ...
20:22 < mnemoc> and two patches can can-not coexist
20:23 < madtux> mnemoc: mmm...
20:23 < madtux> so what do u folks suggest?!
20:23  * mnemoc writing
20:23 < rxr> madtux: just patch it conditionally for now
20:23 < rxr> it is easy to move it over to e.g. binutils if we decide it should be the default
20:23 < mnemoc> if selinux is enabled, selinux's main package remotely patch the package which need to be patched
20:24 < rxr> via parse-config - for example
20:24 < mnemoc> on runtime user will choose to use that functionality or not
20:24 < mnemoc> but that will not affect builds without selinux selected
20:25 < madtux> ok i think int he end including selinux will be a very possitive thing .. but i believe it will make us make several changes.. they will be for good though
20:25 < mnemoc> $extender/pkg_${extendee}_pre.conf has the benefit that it's only sourced if $extender is active
20:26 < madtux> mm...
20:26 < mnemoc> parse-config are always loaded, so you have to filter inside it
20:26 < mnemoc> as dietlibc and uclibc does
20:27 < rxr> ack
20:27 < rxr> for single package modes pkg_$pkg_pre.conf is superior
20:27 < mnemoc> for 2 or 4 too
20:27 < mnemoc> for many, use parse-config
20:28 < madtux> well i still don't know if we are all int he same page..
20:28 < mnemoc> why?
20:28 < madtux> i think i got lost somewhere in the middle of the discussion :)
20:28 < mnemoc> =)
20:29 < madtux> ok here we go again
20:29 < mnemoc> there only packages you have to modify to include $feature are the packages that implement conciently that $feature
20:29 < madtux> yes...
20:29 < madtux> which are like 8
20:30 < mnemoc> there is a 'main' libselinux for example
20:30 < mnemoc> choose one
20:30 < madtux> anyways we would still be doing this whole patching thing with parse-config
20:31 < mnemoc> it's config.in shall ensure the 8 are actives or the 8 inactive
20:31 < madtux> mnemoc: selinux packages are one thing.. i'm not concerned about them
20:31 < madtux> i'm concerned about core packages non selinux exclusive that must be patched in order to have selinux working
20:31 < mnemoc> that main package will hack $extendee using parse-config _or_ pkg_${extendee}_{pre,post}.conf
20:32 < mnemoc> bintuils' [D] will be on selinux.desc not on bintuils.desc
20:32 < mnemoc> and $extender will var_append it
20:32 < mnemoc> it can add hooks, change config, etc... as needed
20:33 < madtux> i think i'm getting the idea
20:33 < mnemoc> but bintuils.conf will never notice
20:33 < madtux> now show me some real code :)
20:33 < mnemoc> ipsvd for pkg_${extendee}_pre.conf
20:33 < rxr> it is in at least dietlibc - and I posted some pseudo code above ;-)
20:33 < mnemoc> and uclibc for parse-config
20:34 < mnemoc> if you use parse-config be sure you add an: if pkginstalled selinux; then   on top :p
20:34 < madtux> ok i will have to look deeply into that idea, and see what comes out of it
20:35 < mnemoc> good luck! :) if you have doubts just ask, you know where to find us
20:35 < madtux> u will probably regret those words in a very near future, but thanks
20:35 < madtux> :)
20:35 < madtux> this selinux implementation will kick ass
20:36 < mnemoc> i trust so :)
20:36 < madtux> mnemoc: just one important comment..
20:36 < mnemoc> F* me?
20:37 < madtux> if you don't want sysvinit... feel free to do whatever it is u want to do urself :P
20:37 < madtux> mnemoc: i don't use the f word :)
20:37 < mnemoc> sure
20:37 < mnemoc> sysvinit is the standard
20:38 < madtux> :P
20:38 < mnemoc> if i want runit to take control over that, it's runit's problem
20:38 < mnemoc> (i.e. mine)
20:41  * madtux svn updating..
20:41 < madtux> WAHHH! LOTS of updates
20:42 < mnemoc> uhm?
20:42 < madtux> gnome - kde
20:42 < mnemoc> 2.8.2 and 3.3.2?
20:43 < mnemoc> wow
20:50 < madtux> :)
21:03 < madtux> ah damn i feel tired.
21:03 < mnemoc> is selinux patching that bored? :)
21:03 < madtux> no...
21:03 < madtux> selinux debugging is time cosuming
21:03 < madtux> policy creating is exahusting
21:04 < madtux> but its fun
21:04 < madtux> just need some more coffee or sleep
21:04 < mnemoc> sleep alone is bored, go for coffee :)
21:04 < madtux> i sent an initial patch for selinux packages inclussion
21:05 < madtux> the pretty thing about them is that most of them won't need a .conf file
21:05 < madtux> the policy.conf file is the one that is killing me atm
21:05 < madtux> but anyways will provide the 3 pending .conf files later
21:06 < mnemoc> ok
21:06 < madtux> yes mnemoc u may check ur email.. now.
21:06 < mnemoc> X packages?
21:07 < mnemoc> should those be O?
21:07 < mnemoc> shouldn't those be O?
21:07 < madtux> arrgg.. yeah
21:07 < madtux> wanna fix it ? :)
21:07 < mnemoc> ok ok
21:08 < mnemoc> let me create a new branch...
21:08 < madtux> mhh?!
21:09 < rxr> mnemoc: 2.1-stable ? or what kind of branch?
21:09 < mnemoc> test2 on my svk :)
21:09 < madtux> i really need sleep.
21:09 < madtux> damn i'm not even at half my day :(
21:09 < mnemoc> rxr: when do you want to branch?
21:10 < mnemoc> madtux: go to $badword sleep
21:10 < madtux> selinux should NOT go on this upcoming stable i think
21:10 < madtux> there is a lot to do yet
21:11 < mnemoc> for now there is only trunk :)
21:12 < rxr> mnemoc: you spoke about a branch ...
21:12 < rxr> it is up to us to decide when we wanna have it ...
21:13 < rxr> maybe after the TOOLCHAIN and Doc*/ -< misc/ transition it could be the time for it ...
21:13 < rxr> what do you think ?
21:13  * madtux the user now sits and looks at the masters talk :)
21:13 < mnemoc> imho never before 1-2 betas :) too much merging in that case :P
21:13 < rxr> nah - don't sit down masster madtux - join the talk
21:13 < rxr> ok - as you wish ;-)
21:13 < madtux> 0_o wow.
21:14 < madtux> ok i jon
21:14 < madtux> join
21:14 < mnemoc> you haven't answered my mail yet :)
21:14 < mnemoc> join the joy :)
21:14 < madtux> i suggest, standby for the toolchain and Doc stuff
21:14 < mnemoc> 2.2?
21:14 < madtux> and maybe lets take a chance and add selinux.. BUT iw ill need ur help
21:14 < madtux> its too much work for one single person
21:15 < mnemoc> we are a comunity plenty of people :D
21:15 < madtux> good.
21:15 < madtux> we really should make a good clean up of ROCK/T2 stuff before branching
21:16 < jsaw> re
21:16 < rxr> I just changed the TOOLCHAIN stuff - start a build in a second ...
21:16 < mnemoc> wb jsaw 
21:16 < rxr> rehi jsaw 
21:16 < madtux> that also probably includes maintainerships on packages.. i would really like to see T2 having as less reference of ROCK as possible so we stop hearing comments "we are stealing their code"
21:17 < madtux> we made the fork out of rock.. but we are no longer rock dependent
21:17 < madtux> we are moving on our own way, and we have our own people taking care of the stuff
21:17 < madtux> my 2 cents.
21:18 < mnemoc> ack
21:18 < jsaw> stealing code o_O
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21:18 < madtux> jsaw: i heard such comment a couple of times
21:18 < mnemoc> :(
21:18 < madtux> and that not true.. we have no need to "steal code"
21:19 < madtux> we can make our own code
21:19 < madtux> and the reason for which the fork was made was to make a better code actually
21:20 < jsaw> how deep is the impact of selinux?
21:20 < mnemoc> s/^[M] .*/[M] T2ML/g ?
21:21 < jsaw> sounds good idea!
21:21 < mnemoc> jsaw: i'll apply does as Optional packages 
21:22 < madtux> jsaw: selinux is not going to brake anything at this point
21:22 < madtux> _martin__: ur mail server is bouncing emails
21:23 < jsaw> ah ok. I would have said, release a 2.1 asap and then an early 2.2, but if it's not that problematic -> selinux for 2.1
21:23 < jsaw> sounds good to me.
21:23 < mnemoc> we are not ready for a 2.1 _yet_
21:23 < madtux> jsaw: _basic_ selinux support should be no problem for 2.1
21:23 < rxr> we should focus on getting 2.1 out - and let selinux merge in as long as it does not break things ...
21:23 < mnemoc> but it must be this year.... or 01/01/2005 :D
21:24 < madtux> we will let you enable gnome-selinux for 2.2 :)
21:24 < mnemoc> hehe
21:24 < jsaw> :)
21:24 < rxr> or better not let selinux into 2.1 as we should have to support it in that branch then - and we might probably only want to do this in 2.2 ...
21:24 < madtux> rxr: i will work in such that u guys won't have complains about selinux breaking things
21:24 < madtux> rxr: ok fine.
21:25 < rxr> madtux: there is a "[T] [T] Text" in your patch ...
21:25 < mnemoc> if selinux is not ready for 2.1 we can remove that repo when we branch
21:25 < jsaw> {fm,}newpackage.sh have to be fixed...
21:25 < mnemoc> rxr: i fixed it here
21:26 < madtux> rxr: mmh?!
21:26 < mnemoc> rxr: add CopyPatch, and disable packages by default
21:26 < mnemoc> rxr: now i'm testing [D]s
21:26 < madtux> weird.. would u take it out please
21:26 < rxr> no CopyPatch yet ...
21:26 < rxr> it would inject the ROCK one IIRC ...
21:27 < madtux> CopyPatch ?
21:27 < rxr> let's wair to
21:27 < rxr> let's wait to generate the copyrights of our T2 based work later ...
21:27 < madtux> good.
21:28 < mnemoc> no CopyPatch or CopyPatch now, and CopyPatch later?
21:29 < rxr> yes, CopyPatch when we adated the Create-CopyPatch thing soon
21:29 < madtux> its important to do that.
21:29 < mnemoc> :(
21:29 < jsaw> why is it important?
21:30 < madtux> because we don't want to give credit away for our own work?
21:30 < madtux> because we want to protect our code?
21:30 < madtux> because we are no longer ROCK Linux ?
21:31 < mnemoc> rxr: will you fix CopyPatch today?
21:31 < rxr> okok ...
21:31 < madtux> mnemoc: you forgot to say please
21:32 < mnemoc> that was a question, not a request!
21:32 < jsaw> I think the GPL applies to each part of the distribution, carrying an extra copyright note or not
21:32 < madtux> u know it was a request.. modified a bit to look like a question
21:32 < mnemoc> madtux: shut up :p
21:33 < rxr> well - we do not want to strip the ROCK copyright from the imported files, they are from ROCK and the copyright remains untouched ...
21:33 < rxr> our new files will get a T2 header ....
21:33 < rxr> I do not want to get them pissed just because we removed the copyright ...
21:34 < rxr> the one thing I already did in the beginning of T2 was to s/Clifford Wold/The ROCK Project/ or so in the ehader
21:34 < mnemoc> how CopyPatch may discriminate that?
21:34 < mnemoc> a ROCK flag?
21:34 < rxr> I add code to check for the ROCK- and leave it - and only inject T2 if not tag is present ...
21:34 < rxr> it is alreay in ROCK-COPYRIGHT-NOTE-
21:35 < mnemoc> ROCK-COPYRIGHT-NOTE- both copyrights, T2-COPYRIGHT-NOTE- only T2?
21:35 < rxr> because I did not wanted to have this self-love in T2 - and I and all the other never signed a copyright assignment to him
21:35 < mnemoc> =)
21:36 < jsaw> a small header please!!! two or three lines... 
21:36 < rxr> and thus doing me so much for ROCK it not wanted this "this is clifford wolfs" work alone in the T2 packages and tought it is fair and ok to quote it correctly as ROCK Project ...
21:36 < mnemoc> ack^2
21:36 -!- c4y0 [~c4y0@200.75.68.67] has quit ["BitchX: its not your ordinary stick of gum"]
21:37 < rxr> hm - we could srink the ROCK note down to just quote as important from ROCK Linux without too much noise around it ...
21:37 < rxr> and keep the T2 one tiny, as well ...
21:38 < mnemoc> i think ROCK's current + T2 line
21:38 < mnemoc> T2's, slim
21:38 < mnemoc> as the project itself :)
21:42 < rxr> nooooooooooooooooooooo
21:42 < rxr> Cleanup just removed all ...
21:43 < rxr> just because the ROCK TOOLCHAIN change maybe ...
21:43 < rxr> damn - hopefuly I had not much uncommited stuff on the athlon
21:43 < jsaw> o_O
21:44 < mnemoc> outch
21:44 < rxr> this damn annoying cleanup thing
21:44 < mnemoc> rxr: svk is good, diferent games different local branches :)
21:44 < rxr> why is it that fragile ...
21:44 < mnemoc> rm -rf is even more fragile :\
21:45 < mnemoc> today i removed amery's home completely
21:45 < jsaw> *meep*
21:45 < rxr> .oO
21:47 < mnemoc> madtux: where are you going?
21:50 < jsaw> hmm, 2-gcc compile since almost 4h?
21:51 < mnemoc> is it really compiling?
21:51 < rxr> I noticed the java thing takes ages ..
21:51 < rxr> what box is it ?
21:51 < jsaw> yep... java
21:51 < rxr> INFO: Testing <Germany - gsmp.tfh-berlin.de (HTTP)> ... ok 61767.000
21:51 < rxr> INFO: Testing <Germany - nexus.tfh-berlin.de (HTTP)> ... ok 943.000
21:51 < rxr> INFO: Testing <Chile - geeks.cl (HTTP)> ... ok 9959.000
21:52 < mnemoc> :D
21:53 < mnemoc> your gsmp machine is kind of slow these days
21:54 -!- af_ [~af@ip-148-227.sn1.eutelia.it] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
22:03 < madtux> mnemoc: well u asked me to shutup...
22:04 < mnemoc> madtux: you know what i meaned
22:05 < madtux> i know i was just looking for a cheap excuse to justify my iddle time :)
22:05 < mnemoc> madtux: you were showing my real meaning in that question to rene :)
22:05 < mnemoc> hehe
22:05 < madtux> mnemoc: i know.
22:06 < madtux> the "please" give it the extra touch to not sound to direct
22:07 < mnemoc> the "please" would showed it as a request
22:08 < mnemoc> and it suppose to me an inocent question
22:08 < madtux> WOW.. _NICE_ shirts
22:08 < madtux> http://www.splitreason.com/index.shtml
22:09 < jsaw> on my way to the lab, cu later
22:09 < mnemoc> cu jsaw 
22:10 < madtux> bye jsaw 
22:12 < mnemoc> they are too expensive :(
22:13 < mnemoc> uhm i have scp-ed 245M of 172M ....
22:13 < mnemoc> and it continues
22:16 < mnemoc> segfault :\
22:17 < mnemoc> http://www.splitreason.com/productdetail.php?id=82
22:29 < jsaw> re
22:30 < mnemoc> re jsaw 
22:31 < rxr> .oO
22:31 < jsaw> broke :) :( :)
22:31 < mnemoc> a good t-shirt :)
22:32 < jsaw> I like the http too.
22:38 < madtux> http://sofinesjoyfulmoments.com/humor/ilovesnow.htm
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22:43 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004120701143617959
22:43 < mnemoc> oh
22:43 < rxr> we have this since: 2004-08-19 12:50:40
22:43 < mnemoc> was it a security updatE?
22:43 < rxr> big *g*
22:44 < madtux> HOLY $foo
22:44  * mnemoc away updating some machines :(
22:44 < madtux> mnemoc: !?
22:45 < rxr> I do not think so - but it is quite some time already ...
22:45 < madtux> i wonder what the oldest pending patch on the bloody sm
22:46 < madtux> or most important how old is it
22:46 < madtux> :)
22:46 < rxr> 20041108
22:47 < mnemoc> just one month?
22:47 < madtux> oh yeah
22:47 < madtux> that can't be
22:48 < madtux> there are unapplied patches that i sent back on august or so i think
22:48 < madtux> even before
22:49 < jsaw> madtux: great lil story
22:49 < mnemoc> minimal+xorg doesn't have glib :(
22:49 < madtux> jsaw: indeed :)
22:50 < madtux> mnemoc: does it need glib to build as it is atm?
22:50 < mnemoc> to build mono :)
22:50 < mnemoc> .oO( lot of debugging buildint tools )o
22:51 < rxr> damn - a nut dropped on the floor - and and I'm not able to locate it anymore :-(
22:51 < madtux> bah
22:55 < jsaw> What's the difference between moms and dads? 
22:55 < jsaw> 1. Moms work at work and work at home, and dads just 
22:55 < jsaw> got to work at work. 
22:55 < jsaw> 2. Moms know how to talk to teachers without scaring them. 
22:55 < jsaw> 3. Dads are taller and stronger, but moms have all the 
22:55 < jsaw> real power 'cause that's who you gotta ask if you want 
22:55 < jsaw> to sleep over at your friend's. 
22:55 < mnemoc> ACK @ 2
22:55 < mnemoc> ACK @ 3 too :(
22:55 < rxr> puh - found it
22:57 < madtux> mnemoc: are u ack'ing base on ur parents or in the point of view of ur daughters?
22:57 < madtux> :)
22:57 < mnemoc> my three-years-old daughter never ask me if she can eat something :\
22:57 < mnemoc> madtux: my daughters :\
22:57 < madtux> DO'H
22:58 < jsaw> my daughter knows that my nerves are still okay when I come home,... so she goes to..
22:58 < mnemoc> they don't sleep at friends', but she ask every important thing to here mother, mainly because i send her to ask her
22:58 < madtux> Wee! 5 trips confirmed for next year already
22:59 < mnemoc> wasn't only 1?
22:59 < jsaw> mnemoc: :)
23:00 < mnemoc> i.e. they will ask her for parties and sleeping out-home, and i'll be sleeping in the car waiting for them :\
23:00 < jsaw> <- fears the time to come
23:01 < mnemoc> daughters are such a big problem since 10
23:02 < mnemoc> how old is your older girl?
23:03 < jsaw> ~2.8
23:04 < madtux> and how old are u ?
23:04 < madtux> :)
23:04 < mnemoc> one year younger than mine.... but european grow faster :)
23:04 < jsaw> do they?
23:04 < jsaw> madtux: 31
23:04 < mnemoc> i hope so
23:05 < jsaw> ;)
23:05 < mnemoc> :)
23:05 < madtux> mnemoc: well so far i've got 4 confirmed events, 2 business trips and 1 family trip
23:05 < madtux> mnemoc: June - Brasil 1 Congres
23:05 < madtux> October - Brasil 2 Congresses
23:05 < madtux> November - Mexico 1 Congress
23:06 < madtux> February - Mexico and Colombia business
23:06 < madtux> January - Nicaragua Family
23:06 < mnemoc> your family or her family?
23:06 < madtux> actually its just me and her father visiting some of her family
23:06 < madtux> :)
23:07 < mnemoc> LOL
23:07 < madtux> mnemoc: on the june trip to brasil i will go visit you
23:07 < mnemoc> you are very welcomed :)
23:07 < madtux> still pending for confirmation:
23:07 < madtux> March - Something in germany need more info from daja77 
23:07 < madtux> April - Colombia - Congress
23:08 < madtux> May - South Africa - Linux World Expo
23:08 < madtux> July - Peru - Congress
23:08 < mnemoc> o_O
23:08 < daja77> hope i can get the info tomorrow
23:08 < madtux> August - Bolivia.
23:08 < mnemoc> Bolivia?
23:08 < madtux> and finally december - Berlin (i hope)
23:09 < madtux> mnemoc: yeah
23:09 < madtux> it will be an interesting year :)
23:09 < madtux> daja77: excellent
23:09 < madtux> btw HOLA daja77, how are u ?
23:10 < madtux> mnemoc: still waiting for you, daja77 and rxr to come visit of course
23:10 < madtux> :)
23:10 < jsaw> http://sofinesjoyfulmoments.com/humor/Amish-Brakes.htm
23:11 < jsaw> hi daja77 
23:11 < madtux> mnemoc: if you want, you can come with me to brasil in june and october
23:11 < mnemoc> madtux: you know i don't have the money
23:11 < madtux> mnemoc: i'm not asking you if you have the money (for the brasil stuff at least)
23:12 < mnemoc> i would gladly visit you if i can
23:13 < madtux> mnemoc: no worries u just graduate and then we will see
23:13 < madtux> :)
23:13 < mnemoc> to get graduated i have to study for that damn macroeconomics exam :\
23:13 < daja77> hi jsaw
23:14 < mnemoc> btw, hi daja77 :)
23:14 < daja77> hi mnemoc & madtux 
23:14 < madtux> mnemoc: well saying you HAVE to doesn;t help.. DO IT
23:14 < mnemoc> it's damn bored :\
23:14 < madtux> daja77: how come u are so shy here?
23:14 < madtux> its not optional.. finish that $foo.. 
23:15 < madtux> or would u rather having to take it again?
23:15 < mnemoc> this is my second time
23:16 < mnemoc> approve or be kicked away
23:16 < madtux> God..
23:16 < daja77> madtux: /me hacking some perl stuff atm
23:21 < madtux> http://www.petitiononline.com/mm6fisl/petition.html
23:23 < rxr> pfh
23:25 < daja77> hm?
23:25 < madtux> daja77: u perl? cool :)
23:27 < daja77> :)
23:28 -!- mnemoc_ [~amery@200.75.27.4] has joined #t2
23:29 < CIA-9> rene * r5003 /trunk/package/gnome2/ (39 files in 39 dirs): (log message trimmed)
23:29 < CIA-9> * updated nautilus-cd-burner (2.8.4 -> 2.8.5)
23:29 < CIA-9> * updated libgtop (2.8.1 -> 2.8.2)
23:29 < CIA-9> * updated sound-juicer (0.5.14 -> 0.5.15)
23:29 < CIA-9> * updated libxklavier (1.02 -> 1.03)
23:29 < CIA-9> * updated gnome-themes (2.8.1 -> 2.8.2)
23:29 < CIA-9> * updated lablgtk (1.2.5 -> 1.2.6)
23:29 < CIA-9> rene * r5005 /trunk/scripts/ (Create-ParaSim config.in): * s/ROCK Linux/T2/ for some config titles
23:29 < CIA-9> rene * r5004 /trunk/package/kde/ (24 files in 24 dirs): (log message trimmed)
23:29 < CIA-9> * updated kdegames (3.3.1 -> 3.3.2)
23:29 < CIA-9> * updated kdebindings (3.3.1 -> 3.3.2)
23:29 < CIA-9> * updated kde-i18n-es (3.3.1 -> 3.3.2)
23:29 < CIA-9> * updated kde-i18n-it (3.3.1 -> 3.3.2)
23:29 < CIA-9> * updated kdeaddons (3.3.1 -> 3.3.2)
23:29 < CIA-9> * updated kde-i18n-de (3.3.1 -> 3.3.2)
23:29 < rxr> huh?
23:29 < rxr> a bit late ...
23:29 < madtux> 1/2 a bit
23:41 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.54] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
23:41 -!- mnemoc_ is now known as mnemoc
23:41 < CIA-9> rene * r5006 /trunk/package/filesystem/ (reiserfsprogs/reiserfsprogs.desc udev/udev.desc): 
23:41 < CIA-9> * updated reiserfsprogs (3.6.18 -> 3.6.19)
23:41 < CIA-9> * updated udev (046 -> 048)
23:55 < CIA-9> rene * r5007 /trunk/package/x11/fox/fox.conf: 
23:55 < CIA-9> * maybe fix the fox exmple disabling - I had a tested, but Cleanup
23:55 < CIA-9>  wiped it ...
--- Log closed Fri Dec 10 00:00:22 2004