--- Log opened Tue Nov 30 00:00:53 2004 00:00 < rxr> I only wonder why the flitedate (or what it was named) a special purpose time speech output produced really great quality. The point where I wonder is that this "date" output quality is so much better compared to the "abritary text output" binary ... 00:01 < rxr> maybe also some endianess issue (only tried this all on PowerPC) - maybe I should mail the author if it is "normal" 00:03 < _martin_> gn8 00:04 < rxr> _martin_: mom 00:04 < rxr> _martin_: still here? 00:04 < rxr> (please) 00:04 < rxr> if I would have known that you are here I would have asked earlier .... 00:05 -!- madtux [~mike@200.91.101.97] has quit ["leaving"] 00:05 < _martin_> for some minutes, yes. privat and german, please :) 00:09 < rxr> thanks martin - and good night 00:09 < _martin_> good night rxr and all .... 00:11 < rxr> nullslack: the nexus mirror will not get all files ... 00:12 < rxr> sync running with 16934.62 kBit/s 00:14 < rxr> mnemoc: I think now it should be safe to start a fresh build ... 00:15 < mnemoc> :D 00:15 * rxr soon off into bed ... 00:30 < nullslack> rxr, thnx 00:33 < rxr> sync finished ... 00:34 < rxr> nexus mirror now fully functional ... 00:38 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-199-247.prtc.net] has joined #t2 00:46 * rxr in bed - cu 00:49 < jsaw> cu rxr 01:13 -!- madtux [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #t2 01:49 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-199-247.prtc.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 02:12 -!- madtux [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:30 -!- _martin_ [~martin@brln-d9ba264a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:57 < nullslack> i wish someone could provide a step-by-step screenshot of ./scripts/Config ;( 02:59 < mnemoc> what do you want to do? 03:03 < nullslack> mnemoc, i just want a minimal base system to start from... 03:03 < nullslack> but i can't seem to figure it out ;( 03:03 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Config -cfg nullslack 03:04 < mnemoc> select your arch 03:04 < mnemoc> select your optimization 03:04 < nullslack> ok 03:04 < nullslack> ok 03:04 < mnemoc> can that arch/optimization run on the machine you are using to build ? 03:04 < nullslack> yes...celeron can be optimized as p3 right? 03:05 < mnemoc> you are building on the celeron or on the p3? 03:05 < nullslack> celeron 03:05 < mnemoc> uhm 03:06 < nullslack> ok...i'll skip the optimization....i'm confused with the target 03:06 < mnemoc> let's see :) but i think you will have to down-optimize it 03:06 < mnemoc> generic 03:06 < mnemoc> go to expert 03:06 < nullslack> ok 03:06 < nullslack> ok 03:06 < mnemoc> template = minimal 03:06 < mnemoc> package selection (pkgsel) 03:06 < mnemoc> - linux24 03:07 < mnemoc> abort on errors 03:07 < mnemoc> retry broken 03:07 < mnemoc> quit 03:07 < nullslack> minmalistic package selection, right? 03:07 < mnemoc> yes 03:07 < nullslack> wait... 03:08 < nullslack> package selection (pkgsel)? where is that? 03:09 < mnemoc> bellow template selection 03:10 < nullslack> [ ] Custom package selection ? 03:10 < mnemoc> yes 03:10 < nullslack> - linux24 ? 03:11 < mnemoc> add that 03:12 < mnemoc> - linux24 on package selection 03:13 < nullslack> ===> Edit package selection rules ? 03:14 < mnemoc> yes 03:14 < nullslack> i'll add it like "- linux24" or "linux24" only? 03:14 < mnemoc> - linux24 03:15 < mnemoc> to remove that pacakge from the package list 03:15 < nullslack> ic...so i'll be building a 2.6.8.1 kernel? 03:16 < mnemoc> 2.6.8 headers 03:16 < mnemoc> but 2.6.9 kernel 03:16 < nullslack> hmmm...ok 03:16 < mnemoc> you can update linux-header pacakge to use 2.6.9 03:16 < mnemoc> but it may produce you some regressions 03:17 < nullslack> what do u mean by regression? 03:17 < nullslack> and this [ ] Abort when a package-build fails ? 03:17 < mnemoc> it may introduce build problems 03:17 < mnemoc> yes 03:17 < nullslack> and also this [*] Retry building broken packages ? 03:17 < mnemoc> yes 03:18 < nullslack> oh...how can i avoid that? 03:18 < nullslack> i want it to build ok for the first try 03:19 < mnemoc> the build 2.6.8.1 headers :) 03:19 < mnemoc> then* 03:20 < nullslack> is there a way i can see the packages that will be downloaded using the minimal template? 03:21 < nullslack> can i deselect some? or will i break it if i do? 03:24 < mnemoc> config/$foo/packages has the list of packages 03:24 < mnemoc> lines starting with X will be downloaded and built 03:24 < mnemoc> using pkgsel you alter that list 03:25 < mnemoc> every package has de description file at package/*/foo/foo.desc 03:25 < mnemoc> where [D]s are the files to download 03:25 < mnemoc> you are free to alter pkgsel as you want 03:25 -!- _martin_ [~martin@brln-d9ba00db.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 03:28 < nullslack> pkgsel = deselected packages? 03:30 < mnemoc> as you removed linux24 03:32 < nullslack> so the format is still "- linux24" 03:32 < nullslack> what's packages.txt for? 03:35 < nullslack> can't i edit packages directly and replace X with O? 03:37 < mnemoc> nope 03:37 < mnemoc> packages file is generated every time 03:37 < mnemoc> any change will be lost 03:38 < mnemoc> pacakges.txt is there to show you a nice list inside Config 03:38 < mnemoc> packages is the real 03:40 < nullslack> so the format for pkgsel is "- packagename" whoaa talk about minimal...a total of 163 packages ;) 03:45 < mnemoc> my minimal has 76 03:45 < mnemoc> t2 is a distribution build kit, we don't maitain directly the distributions, we maintain the kit and _you_ the distribution 03:48 < nullslack> ok...btw, if i deselect a package which another package depends, will it be automatically downloaded? even if i deselected it 03:56 < nullslack> X -1---5---9 102.061 base linux24 2.4.28 / base/kernel DIETLIBC KERNEL 0 ;( i did "- linux24" in the Config 03:58 < mnemoc> dependencies are _yuor_ problem 03:58 < mnemoc> not of the kit 03:58 < mnemoc> we tell you on .cache files what dependencies were detected in the last 'reference' build 03:59 < mnemoc> but to honor them is your business 03:59 < mnemoc> if you know you can build samething without pacakge foo, remove foo if you don't want foo 03:59 < mnemoc> eg. vim can depend on xf86 libs 04:00 < mnemoc> but it's your choice to insteall cf86 or not 04:00 < mnemoc> - linux24 will remove linux for ever, O linux24 will make it 're-enableable' 04:04 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-199-247.prtc.net] has joined #t2 04:15 < mnemoc> gn8 * 04:20 -!- praenti [~praenti@mail.obster.org] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:26 -!- praenti [~praenti@mail.obster.org] has joined #t2 07:21 -!- rxr [~rene@p213.54.247.80.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 07:21 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | the system development environment | http://www.exactcode.de/t2 | C++ people around, too 07:21 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Mon Nov 29 02:10:27 2004] 07:21 [Users #t2] 07:21 [ _martin_] [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ nullslack] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 07:21 [ _Ragnar_] [ daja77] [ mnemoc] [ praenti ] [ sparc-kly] 07:21 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 11 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 11 normal] 07:21 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 07:21 -!- [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 07:21 < rxr> rehi 07:21 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 6 secs 07:22 < rxr> somehow I got disconnected and not reconnected :-( 07:47 < _martin_> hi rxr 07:47 < rxr> moin _martin_ 07:49 < _martin_> Hmm, _martin_ looks not good. It's look like _underlined_ 07:49 < rxr> yep ;-) 07:51 < _martin_> Apple need more than a month to read my fax :-( 07:51 < rxr> did you got a response? 07:53 < _martin_> I have phone apple, yesterday: "I have 200mm Fax-Paper on my desktop. I do not yet read your fax." - fine :( 07:55 < rxr> ouch 07:57 < _martin_> so, I drive to university 07:58 * rxr soon, too 08:10 < CIA-9> rene * r4894 /trunk/package/base/gcc/gcc.conf: 08:10 < CIA-9> * added back a tiny hack to fix a regression (this will be resolved 08:10 < CIA-9> cleanly after my talk today and other contract stuff to do ...) 08:15 < rxr> due to distrowatch our boxed had 9x then usual web traffic ... 08:17 < rxr> well 9x for www. alone ... 08:17 * rxr breakfast ... 08:53 < CIA-9> rene * r4895 /trunk/package/audio/xmms-jack/xmms-jack.desc: * updated xmms-jack (0.10 -> 0.11) - seems to be harder to crash ;-) 08:59 < CIA-9> rene * r4896 /trunk/package/develop/libsigc++/libsigc++.desc: * updated libsigc++ (2.0.1 -> 2.0.6) 09:00 < CIA-9> rene * r4897 /trunk/package/graphic/inkscape/inkscape.desc: * updated inkscape (0.39 -> 0.40) 09:00 * rxr off into uni - cu 11:14 -!- Corlis [Corlis@p508C36B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 11:14 < Corlis> hellas 11:24 < Corlis> Hrm. something wrong here with buildstart-variable... 11:29 < Corlis> urm, mkdir command not found? urgh 11:44 < Corlis> weirdo, hrm. cleanup -full resolves problem :( 11:58 -!- Corlis [Corlis@p508C36B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- irc client ownage!"] 12:02 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-199-247.prtc.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:14 -!- CIA-9 [~CIA@to.je.spocco.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:38 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@pD95F867C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 12:40 < mnemoc> moin 12:51 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@pD95F867C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Verlassend"] 12:52 -!- CIA-9 [~CIA@to.je.spocco.com] has joined #t2 13:03 -!- CIA-9 [~CIA@to.je.spocco.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:51 < valentin> moin mnemoc et al 13:54 < mnemoc> moin valentin 13:57 < valentin> how is your project ? 13:58 < mnemoc> i couldn't finish it, but it plays 13:59 < valentin> nice 13:59 < mnemoc> and wins sometimes 13:59 < valentin> agains human players ? 13:59 < mnemoc> newbie human players, yes 13:59 < valentin> the game was go iirc ? 13:59 < mnemoc> yep 13:59 < mnemoc> but 9x9 14:00 < valentin> i am quite a newbie - i managed to win against gnugo at --level 0 on a 9x9 board twice :) 14:00 < mnemoc> =) 14:01 < mnemoc> i forgot to test it against gungo :\ 14:01 < mnemoc> in 4 hours the tornament starts... i hope to some matches 14:01 < mnemoc> to win some* 14:03 < valentin> you can use the pre-rounds to train it :) 14:05 < valentin> are all algorithms in the tournament "geneticaly engineered" ? 14:05 < mnemoc> it was a 'bonus' 14:05 < mnemoc> some people choose to hardcode strategies 14:06 < mnemoc> OT: can i use Authz's access file and md5 user files on svnserve ? 14:08 < valentin> that is a question for rxr - i never configured svnserve 14:08 < mnemoc> ok 14:25 < daja77> *sigh* i always lost in go, had just a few games 14:26 < mnemoc> :) 14:26 < mnemoc> it's a very difficult game 14:26 < daja77> yep 14:26 < daja77> but more fun than chess 14:29 < valentin> moin daja77 14:29 < daja77> moin valentin 14:48 < rxr> re 14:48 < valentin> hi rxr 14:49 < rxr> hi all 14:51 < rxr> "Call for Papers" für den LinuxTag 2005 14:51 < rxr> will t2 be present? shoudl we do a t2 talk? 14:51 < valentin> LinuxTag Karlsruhe ? 14:52 < rxr> jup 14:52 < valentin> that is far away in the future ... 14:54 < rxr> call for paper is only due to january ... 14:56 < valentin> when is the Tag ? 14:57 < mnemoc> rxr: what would make it different that a ROCK talk? flaming the differences? 14:59 < valentin> mnemoc: maybe there is no rock talk ... 14:59 < rxr> I think there never was a rock talk beside my inprovisated one ... 14:59 < mnemoc> oh 15:00 < rxr> clifford choosed to prsent is very cool submaster a year ago IIRC ... 15:00 < mnemoc> hehe 15:00 < valentin> no, iirc he did not do that 15:00 < valentin> because they did not want to pay his hotel or so 15:00 < rxr> not this yeat - the year before ... - or maybe it was somewhere else ... 15:01 < rxr> at least I once had to listen to one ... 15:02 < valentin> that was chemniz, wasn't it ? 15:02 < rxr> was it? - maybe ... 15:05 < valentin> to avoid clashes we could talk about system development environment(s) ... 15:13 < rxr> 161 builds total, 161 completed fine, 0 with errors. 15:13 < rxr> I just run svn up for a tree 1000 out-of-date .. 15:13 < rxr> so many files changed ;-) 15:27 < rxr> web traffic due to http://distrowatch.com holds on ;-) 15:33 -!- madtux [~mike@200.91.101.97] has joined #t2 15:33 < madtux> hello 15:34 < rxr> hi madtux 15:34 < madtux> hi rene :) 15:34 < mnemoc> miguel angel 15:34 < rxr> angel? 15:35 < madtux> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 15:35 < madtux> rxr: yeah thats my name 15:35 < madtux> but i hate it 15:36 -!- kensai [~kensai@64.237.129.108] has joined #t2 15:37 < madtux> i'm still downloading sources for my t2 build 15:37 < madtux> rxr: how are u doing with your isos ? :) 15:48 < rxr> oh - fine ... 15:48 < rxr> should continue uploading them and test them along the lines .. 15:48 < madtux> excellent 15:48 < rxr> but I need to finish to click my example GUI together for this commercial project and write up contract text ... 15:48 < madtux> i hope to be done with my spources download when u have the isos i want to run several builds this week 15:49 < madtux> i understand, please don't let me get in the way with your work 16:19 -!- kensai [~kensai@64.237.129.108] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:30 < rxr> urgs - ok - I'll not do such a gui ... : 16:30 < rxr> http://www.macobserver.com/images/newreviews/99/991015agfasnapscan/scanwise.jpg 16:34 < madtux> 16:34 < madtux> :) 16:35 < valentin> reminds me of some os/2 color scheme in ugly 8 bit color 17:26 * rxr so crazzy these days that I read the Apple User Interface design goals ... 17:26 < rxr> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/OSXHIGuidelines.pdf 17:26 < madtux> rxr you were not crazy before? 17:26 < madtux> *g* 17:41 < rxr> the HIG is boring ... - quite blown up text passages 17:41 < rxr> and not including what wanna know .. 17:41 < rxr> at least I now knwo when applications deserve to be brushed metal windows and when not ... 17:42 < rxr> and that I must implement a toolbar hide button and not mess with the top left window close and so on buttons ... 17:43 < rxr> aha - ok: 17:43 < rxr> Carbon is a procedural C interface for Mac OS X. Whether you are writing a new application or porting one from another platform, Carbon is an excellent framework for developing on Mac OS X. If you're developing new applications and prefer an object-oriented interface, be sure to consider Cocoa. 17:44 < rxr> Cocoa is an object-oriented application environment designed specifically for developing Mac OS X-only native applications. The Cocoa frameworks support rapid development and high productivity, ... 17:45 < rxr> ... "These interfaces are in both Objective-C and Java. However, you can integrate code written in other languages into your Cocoa projects, including C++ code and C code." 17:45 < rxr> .oO (when I need to write objective C code I get crazzy) 17:55 < rxr> I think I'll drive to dussman in an hour and review some macosx GUI programming book ... 17:57 < valentin> rxr: guess hugendubel@zoo will have more programming books 18:03 < rxr> nope 18:03 < rxr> dussman as far more .. 18:04 < rxr> hugendubel sucks more and more .. 18:04 < rxr> the last two times I did not even found a reall C++ book there - just the dau user data becker and co stuff ... 18:04 < rxr> and dussman you get most o reilly and such books ... 18:04 < rxr> and the real professional ones - nut just the luser stuff ... 18:05 < valentin> last time i searched hugendubel they had adison wes. and o reilly, too 18:07 < rxr> only some o reilly - maybe this was not the one @ zoo? 18:07 < rxr> and dussmann is opened until 22:00 and I do not need to chain the train ... 18:08 < rxr> btw. do you have the time to finish the pkgtutorial? 18:08 < rxr> (and I can listen to some CDs on the way out or so) 18:08 < valentin> ok 18:08 < valentin> anyone here knows a good ascii to html convertor ? 18:09 < rxr> just hack the tiny sed expression to do the usual used ones like: 18:09 < rxr> <> and such .. 18:11 < valentin> ok 18:22 < rxr> usually even 18:39 -!- kensai [~kensai@64.237.129.108] has joined #t2 18:49 < rxr> hi kensai 18:49 [Users #t2] 18:49 [ _martin_] [ daja77] [ kensai] [ mnemoc ] [ praenti] [ valentin] 18:49 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw ] [ madtux] [ nullslack] [ rxr ] 18:49 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 11 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 11 normal] 18:49 < kensai> rxr hi 18:52 * rxr testbuilding for ia64 now ... 18:58 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.130.173] has joined #t2 19:11 -!- kensai [~kensai@64.237.129.108] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:40 < rxr> AAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH! 19:40 < rxr> still cross toolchain regressions I overlooked ... 19:42 * rxr rebooting into macosx soon ... 20:32 < rxr> there are days where I wonder what ugly works someone managed to hide in the t2^Wrock scripts .. 20:49 -!- kensai [~kensai@64.237.129.108] has joined #t2 20:54 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.130.173] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:54 -!- CIA-9 [~CIA@to.je.spocco.com] has joined #t2 21:12 < rxr> ohm - on developer.apple.com there is - you will not believe this - a "cocoa 3d modelling sample that uses Quake 2 models for data" ... 21:13 < rxr> urghs 21:14 < rxr> in the interface builder from apple there is a attribute window where an text label is shortened to "Backgrnd Color" 21:14 < rxr> how user friendly ans stylish ... 21:17 -!- kensai [~kensai@64.237.129.108] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:20 < nullslack> rxr, when bulding from minimal template, what is used? glibc or dietlibc? 21:21 < rxr> glibc 21:21 < rxr> and dietlibs built just for the fun of it ,-) 21:22 < nullslack> rxr, how will i pass the option to build for dietlibc 21:22 < nullslack> !> make[1]: *** [crtbegin.o] Error 1 21:23 < nullslack> make: *** [all-gcc] Error 2 21:23 < rxr> nullslack: what? 21:24 < nullslack> rxr, if i wanted to use dietlibc instead of glibc 21:24 < nullslack> those are the error output from the build 21:25 < nullslack> gcc 21:25 < rxr> where did you choose to use dietlibc? 21:26 < rxr> you are aware that is it for embedded style application use only? 21:26 < rxr> e.g. some stuff wilk not build with it yet, and some stuff might show run-time errors ... 21:26 < rxr> e.g. no X yet ... 21:26 < rxr> and gcc and perl are known to not function 100% properly yet ... 21:27 < nullslack> rxr, oh ic...it is included by default with the minimal template 21:28 < rxr> it is used by certain stuff - e.g. the initrc binary, optionally be udev and so on ... 21:28 < rxr> not for the whole system 21:28 < rxr> did you enable to use dietlibc globally ? 21:29 < nullslack> rxr, hmmm in the Config? 21:29 < rxr> yes - there is an option for it ... 21:29 < rxr> so you did not hit it ... ? (I hope ...) 21:30 < rxr> which stage package combination fails on your side? 21:31 < nullslack> is the option this one --> ( ) Diet LibC based System (EXPERIMENTAL) 21:32 < rxr> yes 22:19 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.130.173] has joined #t2 22:20 < rxr> hi sparc-kly 22:21 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.130.173] has quit [Client Quit] 22:56 -!- kensai [~kensai@64.237.129.108] has joined #t2 23:00 -!- praenti [~praenti@mail.obster.org] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:00 -!- praenti [~praenti@mail.obster.org] has joined #t2 23:11 < madtux> praenti: 0_o 23:11 < madtux> hello :) 23:20 -!- kensai [~kensai@64.237.129.108] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:31 -!- rxr [~rene@p213.54.247.80.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 23:31 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | the system development environment | http://www.exactcode.de/t2 | C++ people around, too 23:31 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Mon Nov 29 02:10:27 2004] 23:31 [Users #t2] 23:31 [ _martin_] [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc ] [ praenti] [ valentin] 23:31 [ _Ragnar_] [ daja77] [ madtux] [ nullslack] [ rxr ] 23:31 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 11 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 11 normal] 23:31 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 23:31 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 6 secs 23:36 -!- rxr [~rene@p213.54.247.80.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 23:36 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | the system development environment | http://www.exactcode.de/t2 | C++ people around, too 23:36 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Mon Nov 29 02:10:27 2004] 23:36 [Users #t2] 23:36 [ _martin_] [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc ] [ praenti] [ valentin] 23:36 [ _Ragnar_] [ daja77] [ madtux] [ nullslack] [ rxr ] 23:36 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 11 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 11 normal] 23:36 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 23:36 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 9 secs 23:42 -!- sparc-kly [~sparc-kly@64.237.130.173] has joined #t2 --- Log closed Wed Dec 01 00:00:54 2004 --- Log opened Tue Nov 30 05:29:59 2004 05:30 < jeru> rxr: welcome back :) 05:30 < jeru> what was wrong ? 05:30 < rxr> never reboot a system with a defect init ... 05:30 < rxr> no idea how I crippled it ... 05:30 < rxr> but massive t2 tinkering without reboot in 13x days or what it was might explain it .. 05:30 < jeru> but you have luck because the machine was near by ;) 05:30 < jeru> had 05:32 < rxr> re 05:32 < rxr> so 05:33 < rxr> hehe ,-) 05:33 < rxr> of course I would not have tried that on a production server somewhere ... 05:57 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.14.56] has joined #t2 06:10 -!- minto_ [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 06:10 < minto_> hi * 06:13 < jeru> hi minto_ :) 06:14 < minto_> Hi jeru, how is your bunny doing? 06:14 < jeru> minto_: which one ? 06:14 < jeru> :) 06:14 < minto_> You have more than one? 06:14 < jeru> the small one is hanging around with me ... 06:15 < jeru> the big one is away visiting a friend 06:15 < jeru> ;) 06:15 -!- cyrus82 [~cyrus@blfd-d9bb9a36.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 06:15 < jeru> minto_: hope you're not confused now ... 06:16 < minto_> I am. If the big one is a girl, you might be in for a surprise some day? ;-) 06:16 < cyrus82> hello! i have problems building the iproute2 packe from 2.1.0-beta4. (i'm new to t2) 06:16 < cyrus82> cone somebody help me? 06:17 < minto_> Hi cyrus82, what is your problem? 06:17 < jeru> cyrus82: what exactly is your problem ? 06:18 < cyrus82> i did scripts/Build-Target -cfg system and the build stops after trying to build the iproute2 package 06:19 < cyrus82> (i did the things written in quick-start) 06:20 < jeru> cyrus82: at what stage the build aborted 06:20 < keinek> hi 06:21 < minto_> Hi keinek 06:21 < cyrus82> i think after compiling... while installing 06:22 < cyrus82> .../iproute2.conf: line 23: install_init: command not found :( 06:22 < cyrus82> what ist install_init? 06:22 < jeru> cyrus82: what target do you use ? 06:23 < cyrus82> bootdisk 06:24 < jeru> cyrus82: try this from the t2 base dir: echo build/system*/var/adm/logs/*.err 06:24 < cyrus82> but i removed iproute2 from the packages file now, because i think i won't need it 06:24 < cyrus82> i did that allready, jeru 06:25 < jeru> and what's displayed ? 06:26 < cyrus82> .../iproute2.conf: line 23: install_init: command not found 06:26 < cyrus82> and more... 06:27 < cyrus82> hm...sysfiles does stop, too 06:28 < cyrus82> with the same error: install_init command not found 06:28 < cyrus82> i chose minit instead of sysvinit... could it be that this is the problem? 06:29 < jeru> cyrus82: yes 06:29 < cyrus82> ok.. i'll change this 06:30 < cyrus82> it works now 06:31 < jeru> cyrus82: :) 06:32 < cyrus82> i'll have a bootable installation cd when i'm finished, right? 06:32 < jeru> yep 06:32 < jeru> cyrus82: have you build another target ? 06:32 < cyrus82> no 06:33 < jeru> cyrus82: what do you want to install ? 06:34 < cyrus82> i want to have a minimal but modern linux installation with developemnt toolchain. and then i want to compile and install all my application by hand 06:35 < cyrus82> and the core system should be updatedable... i hope i can to that with t2 06:37 < jeru> cyrus82: sure, but why do you want to install your apps by hand ? 06:38 < cyrus82> to have the maximum control about everything 06:38 < cyrus82> but if t2 has something like a repository or a package manager, i'll try it 06:40 -!- cyrus82 [~cyrus@blfd-d9bb9a36.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit ["[BX] The Spice Girls use BitchX (instead of underwear and talent)"] 06:42 -!- cyrus82 [~cyrus@blfd-d9bb9a36.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 06:42 < cyrus82> sorry, i got disconnected 06:43 < cyrus82> did i miss anything? 06:43 < jeru> cyrus82: nope ;) 06:44 < cyrus82> ok 06:45 < cyrus82> does it take longer to build the bootdisc or to build the system ? 06:45 < jeru> cyrus82: mostly the system ... it depends on the selected target 06:45 < cyrus82> seem that the bootdisc will contain a lot of software i don't need 06:47 < jeru> cyrus82: btw, you can replace "system" with any name for your build e.g. ./scripts/Config -cfg foo 06:48 < jeru> and building it with ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg foo 06:48 < cyrus82> ok, but how do i install it? do i HAVE to make an installtion cd? 06:54 < cyrus82> why is Build-Target -cfg bootdisc building glibc again now? 06:54 < cyrus82> i though i did this already with Build-Target -cfg system 06:55 < jeru> cyrus82: because it's a different target 06:56 < cyrus82> so i didn't have to do Build-Target -cfg system before creating a bootdisk? 06:57 < jeru> cyrus82: no ... every target is build for its own 06:58 < jeru> cyrus82: but of course you can just build the bootdisk and burn it on cd 06:59 < cyrus82> do i have to to this to install a new system? 07:08 -!- cyrus82 [~cyrus@blfd-d9bb9a36.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit ["BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it."] 07:18 < rxr> ? --- Log closed Sun Apr 17 18:23:37 2005