--- Log opened Sun Nov 21 00:00:24 2004
00:25 < CIA-9> jsaw * r4760 /trunk/package/gnome2/gedit-plugins/gedit-plugins.desc:
00:25 < CIA-9> * gedit-plugins seems outdated. Disable it for now.
00:25 < CIA-9> (not removed due to the fact, that gedit does not seem
00:25 < CIA-9> to include some usefull plugins from gedit-plugins...
00:25 < CIA-9> investigation in progess)
00:57 < CIA-9> jsaw * r4761 /trunk/package/develop/wvstreams/ ( wvstreams.desc): * add package wvstreams 4.0.1 (in prep of update of wvdial)
01:06 < CIA-9> jsaw * r4762 /trunk/package/network/wvdial/ (gcc3_and_smallfix.patch wvdial.conf wvdial.desc): * update wvdial (1.42 -> 1.54.0)
01:09 < CIA-9> jsaw * r4763 /trunk/package/kde/kdebindings/kdebindings.conf:
01:09 < CIA-9> * fix kdebindings so that configure will not complain about python
01:09 < CIA-9> (configure script cannot find out which external libs have to be
01:09 < CIA-9> linked)
01:13 < CIA-9> jsaw * r4764 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ (6 files):
01:13 < CIA-9> WARNING: TOTALLY UNTESTED
01:13 < CIA-9> OpenOffice.org changes:
01:13 < CIA-9> The last time I tried to build it from vanilla sources failed. This
01:13 < CIA-9> time too. I got to compile it with the ximian build system half a year
01:13 < CIA-9> ago (but only with Build-Pkg, not with Build-Target). Still,
01:13 < CIA-9> here's the change to the Ximian build system, it's untested however...
01:15 < jsaw> hey, I got on second place on cia.navi.cx (okay, it's only for seconds, still....)
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09:22 < rxr> moin
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10:48 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | the system development environment | http://www.exactcode.de/t2
10:48 -!- Topic set by valentin [] [Sun Nov 7 16:41:27 2004]
10:48 [Users #t2]
10:48 [ _martin ] [ CIA-9] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly]
10:48 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw ] [ praenti] [ rxr_] [ valentin ]
10:48 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 10 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 10 normal]
10:48 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
10:48 -!- [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
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12:36 < _martin> moin rxr_
12:57 < jsaw> ³
13:12 < CIA-9> jsaw * r4765 /trunk/package/emulators/hercules/hercules.conf: * fix build of hercules by using autogen
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15:47 < rxr> moin mnemoc_
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16:36 [Users #t2]
16:36 [ _martin ] [ CIA-9] [ kensai] [ praenti] [ sparc-kly]
16:36 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ valentin ]
16:36 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 10 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 10 normal]
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16:50 < mnemoc> moin
16:50 < rxr> hi!
16:51 < mnemoc> hi rxr
16:51 * mnemoc suffering to add PAX package :\
16:51 < rxr> PAX what?
16:52 < mnemoc> pax.grsecurity.net
16:54 < rxr> timeout on server
16:58 < mnemoc> :\
16:58 < mnemoc> well grsecurity is a role based securty patch for linux
16:58 < mnemoc> but PAX a a randomizer
16:58 < mnemoc> it is part of grsec but can be used alone
16:59 < mnemoc> attack can't ever know where is something on memory, so attacks are useless
16:59 < mnemoc> attacker
17:00 < mnemoc> http://www.google.cl/search?q=cache:O65u2HaUB-MJ:pax.grsecurity.net/docs/pax.txt+pax+grsecurity&hl=es&client=firefox-a
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17:03 < mnemoc> *silence*
17:05 < rxr> ;-)
17:05 * rxr huring to write an article to pay my rent ...
17:05 < rxr> and had my parents in house the last 30 hour or so ...
17:05 < mnemoc> what about :)
17:05 < rxr> audio stuff
17:06 < rxr> just some quick ran down over the most useful applications ...
17:06 < mnemoc> 30 hours of ful-parents visit?? ufff
17:06 < rxr> yeah
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17:08 < CIA-9> valentin * r4766 /trunk/package/ (audio/liblrdf/ textproc/liblrdf/):
17:08 < CIA-9> * moved the ladspa rdf parser back to where it belongs
17:08 < CIA-9> (rene is a moron ;-)
17:09 < mnemoc> rdf's perfection is like music :)
17:10 < valentin> hi mnemoc, btw
17:11 < mnemoc> hi valentin
17:13 * valentin is an idiot
17:14 < valentin> just watered my tea with cold water and wondered why the fluid did not turn in color...
17:18 < mnemoc> cold water and tea are not friends :)
17:18 < valentin> ice tea
17:19 < valentin> here in europe we have instant tea powder - just add water at any temperature :)
17:19 < valentin> but i prefer 'real' tea
17:20 < valentin> esp when it is so f.....g cold
17:21 < mnemoc> :)
17:22 < mnemoc> to get ice tea here, we do hot tea; add cold water and wait
17:25 < rxr> valentin: yeah - it is really fscking cold
17:26 < valentin> those instant powders are just another case for western decadence
17:26 < valentin> s/for/of
17:26 < rxr> I increate the thermal control of the heating here nearly every day
17:26 < rxr> maybe I should switch my athlon on and rebuild t2 or so to get my room warmer ...
17:27 < mnemoc> athlon are good for that
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17:30 < rxr> yeah
17:30 < rxr> I do rebuild t2 now I think ;-)
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17:46 < valentin> why the hell ardour depends on scmxx ??
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17:49 < rxr> wha?
17:50 < valentin> grep scmxx package/audio/ardour/ardour.cache
17:51 < rxr> hm
17:51 < rxr> it is not in the dep-debug in /var/adm of my athlon ...
17:52 < rxr> use vi to remove it and commit it ...
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17:52 < valentin> we need a better policy how to create and update the cache files
17:53 < rxr> we do not update them any longer until a rewrite of the .cache
17:53 < rxr> format - far too many noice ...
17:54 < valentin> ok ..
17:54 < rxr> the next format will not carry this damn build id, and date tags
17:54 < rxr> just some relative build time (ala Linux From Scratch BSU or what is was named), and rounded size and time - so it does not change so often ..
17:55 < rxr> and the depenencies in a better format that allow additional information - like e.g. minimal version and so
17:55 < rxr> as well as using single line tags - so if one changes the whole line des not invalidate ...
17:56 < rxr> as well as flagging optional deps ...
17:57 < rxr> of course all to improve the single package emerge for end users ...
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18:06 < CIA-9> valentin * r4767 /trunk/package/audio/ardour/ardour.cache: * removed siemens handy tools from ardour deps
18:08 < valentin> oh - damn
18:08 < valentin> s/handy/mobile phone/
18:08 < rxr> cell phone
18:08 < rxr> cellular
18:09 < valentin> those german marketing idiots finaly broke my brain
18:09 < rxr> yep
18:09 < mnemoc> :D
18:09 < rxr> for ardour:
18:09 < rxr> $ jackd -d alsa -r 44100 -n 4
18:09 < rxr> and the lunch ardour somewhere ...
18:09 < valentin> thx rxr
18:09 < rxr> ah - and to avoid xruns in the audio with journaling FSs you must mount a tmpfs to /tmp
18:09 < rxr> ...
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18:43 < rxr> ah
18:43 < rxr> I think i found what recent xemacs do that aspell does not like the umlaute in my german texts ..
18:43 < rxr> the anskwer is utf8
18:45 < rxr> Aspell can not use UTF-8 Internally. What language are you trying to add
18:45 < rxr> support for?
18:45 < rxr> ???
18:45 < mnemoc> rxr: who are you talking to?
18:46 < rxr> to me and the world listening ...
18:46 < rxr> and to fill our google database ...
18:46 < rxr> "Starting with version 0.60, Aspell fully supports spell checking documents
18:46 < rxr> in UTF-8 or any other encoding that Aspell supports."
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18:47 < mnemoc> =)
18:48 < mnemoc> it support anything that it supports
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19:17 * rxr rebuilding half of the system - just to get german spell checking back ...
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20:25 < mnemoc> rxr: praenti asks if libcss builds on T2... but i don't even have a dvd player :p
20:26 < praenti> hi
20:26 < mnemoc> :D
20:27 < rxr> libcss? yes I think so
20:27 < rxr> let me check
20:29 < praenti> rxr: had some problems in ROCK with that package. surrounded therefor in /usr/include/linux/fs.h the #include with a #ifdef __KERNEL__
20:29 < praenti> perhaps a similiar fix is also needed for T2
20:30 < rxr> yups - rechecked
20:30 < rxr> == 11/21/04 20:30:02 =[9]=> Finished building package libcss.
20:31 < rxr> in contrast to rock we fix our kernel headers instead of patching every user space package
20:31 < rxr> see posts from clifford and fake that I'm brain damaged on rock-devel and the irc logs ...
20:31 < mnemoc> fake is doing this now too
20:31 < praenti> ok
20:31 < mnemoc> after 28 patches to fix asm_byteorder :p
20:31 < rxr> ha ha ha
20:31 < praenti> yupp. and a very weird idea from me...
20:32 < rxr> we have some patches for our linux-header package - you might review them ...
20:33 < rxr> and we are at 2.6.8.1 at the hD
20:33 < rxr> for the headers - since 2.6.9 causes so many new regressions ...
20:33 < praenti> rxr: i believe that. perhaps this is one... :-(
20:34 < praenti> rxr: thx for your effort
20:34 * praenti is away
20:43 < mnemoc> rxr: do you have a minute? http://svn.geeks.cl/atarigo/game.cc <-- register segfaults, any idea why this map would be not working? (i had never used maps before, it was valentin's idea)
20:48 < rxr> quite scroll over does not yield s.th. particularly bad
20:48 < mnemoc> :(
20:48 < rxr> can I look tomorrow? I need to finished the article and I have 50% to go ...
20:48 < mnemoc> =)
20:49 < rxr> you mean this line:
20:49 < rxr> registered_players[player_name] = impl;
20:49 < mnemoc> that line segfaults
20:49 < rxr> should always work - if not registered_players is not valid ...
20:50 < mnemoc> that is declared on game.h
20:51 < mnemoc> i think i'll fall back into plain C :\
20:52 < valentin> mnemoc: linking order ....
20:53 < mnemoc> uhm?
20:53 < valentin> maybe you link your .o files in such way, that the insert is called before the map constructor ?
20:53 < valentin> or do you register them in main function ?
20:54 < mnemoc> g++ -O3 atarigo.o game.o boards/basic_board.o players/human_player.o players/pipe_player.o -o atarigo
20:54 < mnemoc> i register on a cosntructor inside players/human_player.o
20:55 < valentin> yep
20:55 < mnemoc> #0 0x0804921e in std::_Rb_tree, std::_Select1st >, std::less, std::allocator > >::lower_bound(std::string const&) ()
20:55 < mnemoc> #1 0x08048d00 in Game::Register(std::string const&, IPlayerFactory*) ()
20:55 < valentin> then you have to link in a different order
20:55 < mnemoc> #2 0x08049dc4 in __static_initialization_and_destruction_0(int, int) ()
20:55 < mnemoc> #3 0x08049e8b in _GLOBAL__I_humanFactory ()
20:56 < valentin> that was exactly what i tried to tell Minto two days ago - if you remember
20:56 < mnemoc> yes?
20:58 * mnemoc going for the static design :\
20:58 < valentin> you have to link the players before the game
20:58 < valentin> try
20:58 < mnemoc> ok
20:59 < valentin> g++ -O3 players/human_player.o players/pipe_player.o boards/basic_board.o atarigo.o game.o -o atarigo
20:59 < valentin> hope i did not forget anything
20:59 < mnemoc> oh
20:59 < mnemoc> you were right
20:59 < mnemoc> this thing links in reverse order
20:59 < valentin> that is the problem with static initialisation
21:00 < valentin> with dynamicaly loaded so files you do not have that problem
21:01 < mnemoc> i'll finish some stuff on static, and move to dlopen after that
21:01 < valentin> the compiler does not detect such problems - that's poor
21:02 < mnemoc> what i don't understand is how Game::Register exists and Game::registered_players don't
21:02 < mnemoc> i should have expected, game not exist at all or everything working perfect
21:29 < valentin> hm, ich glaube ich konvertiere noch mal ein paar mp3's nach wav und mach ein paar screenshots
21:30 < valentin> das ist mit so einer kleienen aufloesung leider alles etwas eng
21:30 < valentin> der mixer passt gar nicht auf 800 pixel hoehe
21:30 < valentin> - win decorations natuerlich
21:30 < rxr> wron chan
21:31 < valentin> sorry *g*
21:31 < valentin> had to rand about ardour - idiotic tool (sorry)
21:32 < valentin> mnemoc: when you have static objecs (i.e you write Obj obj() somewhere outside functions) then theese have to be constructed
21:33 < valentin> the constructors are called top to bottom for each source file and object after object for each .o you link
21:34 < valentin> the symbols exist from the beginning - they just refer to some memory location
21:35 < valentin> those symbols can be derefered, but before the constructor is called the object data is just uninitialized
21:54 < mnemoc> valentin: can i declare the constructor on an abstract class?
21:55 < valentin> yes
21:55 < mnemoc> what happens with the name?
21:55 < valentin> will it take arguments ?
21:55 < mnemoc> yes
21:55 < valentin> constructor name = class name
21:56 < mnemoc> but abstract name != implemented name
21:56 < valentin> the derived classes will have their own constructors
21:56 < valentin> class Base { Base(int x) {.....} };
21:56 < valentin> class Derived:public Base { Derived(int x, int y) : Base(x*2) {.....} };
21:57 < valentin> Derived derived(1,2);
21:58 < valentin> if you create an instance of a derived class, you call the constructor of the derived class and that constructor hands the arguments to the base class
21:58 < valentin> if you do not hand over any arguments, the base class' default ctor will be called - in case there is one
21:58 < mnemoc> my abstract class doesn't have code, i only want to be sure every IPlayer's constructor has an IBoard * as only argument
21:59 < valentin> why ?
22:00 < mnemoc> i have to, afaik, to new fooPlayer( board );
22:00 < valentin> if you have a different constructor the code will not compile anyway
22:00 < valentin> if you use the generic factory
22:01 < valentin> but i do not know your current code
22:01 < mnemoc> i want to have one common constructor for every player, getting a board as construction argument
22:01 < mnemoc> mom
22:08 < mnemoc> http://svn.geeks.cl/atarigo/players/player.h
22:08 < mnemoc> i think i'll have to add a SetBoard( IBoard * ) function instead of using the constructor for that
22:08 < valentin> why not
22:09 < valentin> mom
22:09 < valentin> template
22:09 < valentin> class PlayerFactory : public IPlayerFactory {
22:09 < valentin> public:
22:09 < valentin> virtual IPlayer* Create ( IBoard* board) { return new T(board); }
22:09 < valentin> };
22:10 < valentin> of corse you have to adapt the signature of IPlayerFactory, too
22:11 < mnemoc> yes, but to do that wouldn't i need IBoard * as constructor argument too?
22:12 < valentin> of course
22:13 < valentin> but that is what you wanted, isn't it ?
22:13 < mnemoc> yes, but i doesn't compile
22:14 < mnemoc> my next step was fixing Create as you said
22:14 < valentin> mnemoc: that it does not compile is a good thing
22:15 < mnemoc> o_O
22:15 < valentin> because this enforces all Player implementation constructors to have the correct signature
22:15 < mnemoc> i only have one player :p
22:18 < mnemoc> mmm
22:23 < mnemoc> now it compiles...
23:00 < rxr> 1002 builds total, 111 completed fine, 0 with errors.
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23:01 < CIA-9> rene * r4768 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in: * do not build ardour in thy desktop target - it sucks :-(
23:03 < valentin> rene: *g*
23:04 < mnemoc> hehe
23:05 < rxr> oh - this changeset also disables the rfc package
23:05 < rxr> had this in queue ... :-(
23:14 < CIA-9> jsaw * r4769 /trunk/package/python/pysqlite/pysqlite.desc: * increase prio of pysqlite a bit
23:18 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r4770 /trunk/package/security/vserver/vserver.desc:
23:18 < CIA-9> * vserver patches updated (1.29 for 2,4 and 1.93 for 2.6)
23:18 < CIA-9> * vserver version changed to util-vserver's (0.30)
23:25 < mnemoc> 9:22:10] == 11/21/04 22:06:59 =[5]=> Finished building package qt.
23:25 < mnemoc> [19:22:11] wee!
23:25 < mnemoc> [19:22:22] sparc?
23:25 < mnemoc> [19:22:27] yes
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23:58 < CIA-9> jsaw * r4771 /trunk/package/multimedia/vdr/ (vdr.conf vdr.desc):
23:58 < CIA-9> * -fpermissive fix for vdr
23:58 < CIA-9> * add checksum
23:59 < CIA-9> jsaw * r4772 /trunk/scripts/functions:
23:59 < CIA-9> * do try to link twice in populate_archdir
23:59 < CIA-9> (compare [D] list in mplayer-fonts)
--- Log closed Mon Nov 22 00:00:40 2004