--- Log opened Tue Nov 02 00:00:40 2004
00:02 < jsaw> yes. It would only make sense when the C++ rewrite is being done (if it makes sense at all).
00:03 < rxr> i do not know if we should make such an incompatible change just for some cvs checkout ...
00:03 < rxr> maybe just enforcing an "not that old tar" is way easier ...
00:04 < jsaw> before I answer this, another hypothetical (?) question: do u plan to keep "mine"?
00:06 < rxr> do you really want to know that answer ... ;-)
00:06 < rxr> what is your vote?
00:06 < rxr> mnemoc also joked about a libmine ;-)
00:07 < valentin> mine -r mine
00:08 < jsaw> me now writing to ml
00:17 < mnemoc_> :)
00:18 < mnemoc_> libgem
00:18 < mnemoc_> mine is _just_ an interface 
00:20 < rxr> we have a new person with write access now ;-)
00:20 < mnemoc_> who?
00:20 < rxr> jeru ;-)
00:22 < rxr> no. 89
00:22 < rxr> 8 even
00:22 < rxr> 89 would indeed be cool
00:26 < valentin> hm
00:27 < valentin> rxr: what should i write back to the list ?
00:27 < rxr> comments to roadmap planning and such - but of course only if you have comments ...
00:27 < valentin> regarding the download stuff you already cited my opinion
00:28 < valentin> DESTDIR support would be cool, the only annoying component is the [F]lag
00:28 < valentin> we should investigate how many packages have no destdir support
00:28 < rxr> then write s.th. like that - just that I (and others) see that there is agreement or not or whatever
00:28 < jsaw> no to forget about gnome....
00:29 < jsaw> s/no/not/
00:29 < mnemoc_> rxr: what about 'trac' or another web interface?
00:29 < rxr> valentin: you coudl foreach tar ; untar ; grep DESTDIR ... and post results .. 
00:29 < rxr> well I want a CMS and bugtracker
00:29 < valentin> ok
00:29 < rxr> I have just no idea to take a look into trac right now and make a decision
00:29 < rxr> maybe I shoudl write this ...
00:31 < valentin> rxr: i'll do your foreach loop as soon as i got my U30 booted :/
00:32 < valentin> it's cdrom dislikes cdrw's
00:32 < rxr> ouch
00:32 < rxr> I never managed to render a installed SPARC unbootable - and you manage it in the first weeks ...
00:33 < valentin> its quite easy - just break your ld-linux.so.* *g*
00:33 < valentin> .oO my gf gets angry
00:33 < valentin> need to leave you now - gn8
00:34 < valentin> i hope my day tomorow will be more productive than today
00:34 < rxr> .oO
00:34 < rxr> ok - g'n8
00:34 < valentin> cu
01:05 < rxr> hm, seems I have some bigger trouble:
01:05 < rxr>       5494:	binding file /usr/X11R6/lib/libaudio.so.2 to /lib/libc.so.6: normal symbol `free' [GLIBC_2.0]
01:05 < rxr> /opt/kde33/bin/k3b: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/X11R6/lib/libaudio.so.2: R_PPC_REL24 relocation at 0x0fba5618 for symbol `free' out of range
01:05 < rxr> hm - or not, ...
01:12 < rxr> oh my
01:12 < rxr> I shoudl tell noone what I just did to some .so files ...
01:12 < rxr> my poor CPu, what binary junk I just trow into it ...
01:13  * rxr tetting some fresh wine
01:14 < mnemoc_> chilean? :)
01:14 < rxr> oehm - italien I think :-(
01:14 < mnemoc_> :(
01:14 < rxr> leftover bottle from celebrating into my brithday with susan ;-)
01:15 < rxr> damn - and with this .so files on my system I can not get enough wine
01:15 < mnemoc_> =)
01:15 < rxr> $ k3b
01:15 < rxr> k3b: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/X11R6/lib/libaudio.so.2: R_PPC_REL24 relocation at 0x0fba565c for symbol `free' out of range
01:15 < rxr> argggggghhhhhhhhhhh
01:16 < rxr> not that I would need that app - but every day without a fix for that, is a day my brother phones and complains ... :-(
01:16 < rxr> and after a week of "yeah I fix this soon" I should fix it some day ...
01:23  * rxr now building the nas objects in a bash loop to review what is that broken in that Makefile
01:34 < rxr> .oO
01:34 < rxr> ]# gcc -o bla bla
01:34 < rxr> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
01:34 < mnemoc_> oh
01:35 < rxr> oops I guess it was the shit fucking new 3.0 bash
01:35 < rxr> yep
01:35 < rxr> ELF 32-bit MSB core file, PowerPC or cisco 4500, version 1 (SYSV), SVR4-style, SVR4-style, from 'bash'
01:35 < rxr> damn crappy new thing
01:36 < rxr> I should schedule a debugging session for that beast, search the bash sites for patches or just downdate the thing ...
01:36 < rxr> the 3.0 one is that buggy ..
01:36 < mnemoc_> trunk has bash 3?
01:36 < rxr> yes
01:36 < rxr> as rock has ..
01:36 < rxr> (doesn't it? ;-)
01:37 < rxr> I should verify before I make such comments ..
01:37 < rxr> at least once I looked it had *g*
01:38 < mnemoc_> 2.05b and 3.0
01:38 < rxr> I do not like that _and_ word ...
01:38 < rxr> with nifty config option *g* ?
01:39 < mnemoc_> gcc=ggc2 as pkg name
01:39 < mnemoc_> or gcc=ggc3
01:39 < mnemoc_> bash i mean
01:39 < rxr> don't we talk about bash
01:39 < rxr> ah - ok
01:39 < rxr> and, what is the default?
01:40 < mnemoc_> both o_O
01:40 < rxr> aha
01:40 < rxr> I know why I do not like ROCK after the 2.0.2 release ... 
01:54 < CIA-9> rene * r4520 /trunk/package/audio/nas/ (nas.conf nas.desc): 
01:54 < CIA-9> * updated nas (1.6 -> 1.6g) - just for fun in the debugging process
01:54 < CIA-9> * fixed nas for non-x86 systems by overwriting hardcoded optimization
01:54 < CIA-9>  settings (our generic wrapper does not remove as many options as
01:54 < CIA-9>  ROCK's)
01:54 < CIA-9> * cleaned the nas.conf
01:56 < jsaw> now that you had so much fun with nas, why don't you have some more fund with mas?
01:56 < jsaw> :)
01:57 < rxr> you mean packaging it?
01:57 < rxr> btw, nas fun is not yet resolved
01:57 < rxr> the updated verison sill has the relocation problem
01:58 < rxr> just that I know now that is most probably comes out of libXau.a ... :-(
01:58 < jsaw> http://www.mediaapplicationserver.net/
01:58 < rxr> I know it ;-)
01:58 < jsaw> <- "MAS"
01:58 < rxr> at the Linux World Expo I talked with the creator
01:59 < rxr> and took over the X.org booth for 20 minutes talking about Composite and Xaa vs. Kaa ... as well as Xpring ... ;-)
01:59 < jsaw> ups, s/fund/fun/ btw.
01:59 < rxr> do you use mas?
01:59 < rxr> do you really want a package ?
01:59 < jsaw> not yet, but I find it quite interesting.
01:59 < rxr> ok 
01:59  * rxr expaneded todo file
02:00 < jsaw> I mean, the graphics part of X is quite nice, but what do I do with a sound application that runs remotely.
02:01 < jsaw> note to self: invent time-warp machine
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02:04 < rxr> yeah, I buy one hen
02:04 < rxr> +t
02:05 < sparc-kly|wifi> hi ppl 
02:05 < jsaw> hi sparc-kly|wifi 
02:05 < rxr> http://freedesktop.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1308
02:05 < rxr> sparc-kly|wifi: valentin escaped earlier without leaving a note for you :-(
02:06 < rxr> but he screwed up his sparc by destroying ld-linux.so or so :-(
02:06 < rxr> he will fix it in the morning using the test-boot-cd and continue the build
02:06 < rxr> the above link is my ppc nas bug ...
02:06 < sparc-kly|wifi> damn it . 
02:06 < sparc-kly|wifi> valetin you are?
02:07 < rxr> just that it took quite some wine erhm. time to track
02:07 < sparc-kly|wifi> he have email ?
02:07 < mnemoc_> yes
02:07 < rxr> valentin@exactcode.de
02:10 < sparc-kly|wifi> thanks
02:19 < rxr> cool - just finished my first bittorrent download in life
02:19 < sparc-kly|wifi> lol
02:20  * sparc-kly|wifi love bittorrent 
02:40 < jsaw> I have to go, cu!
02:40 < rxr> cu
03:07 < CIA-9> rene * r4521 /trunk/package/x11/xorg/shared-Xau.patch: 
03:07 < CIA-9> * imported "official" "fix" for a non-PIC libXau, I would have added
03:07 < CIA-9>  a readl libXau.so, but since this is what got in the xorg CVS
03:07 < CIA-9>  repository we just use what they decided so far. This fixes
03:07 < CIA-9>  applications linked to libaudio.so (nas) on non-x86 platforms like
03:07 < CIA-9>  powerpc and x86-64 - e.g. k3b.
03:19 < mnemoc_> == 11/01/04 23:07:22 =[5]=> Finished building package 00-dirtree.
03:20 < rxr> how many errors on the way?
03:21 < mnemoc_> none :) ... but it is a minimal
03:22 < mnemoc_> as i always build with abort_on_errors and retry_failed i test incrementaly
03:23 < rxr> cool
03:23 < rxr> we should keep t2 stable ...
03:25 < mnemoc_> if you don't want to be rock2, you shall go for an stable :)
03:25 < rxr> yep, that is my .plan
03:25 < rxr> hm - the linker confuses me
03:25 < rxr> I should long be in bed ...
03:27 < mnemoc_> what time is it there?
03:27 < rxr> 03:27
03:27 < rxr> in theory I have a lecture @10
03:27 < rxr> :00
03:27 < mnemoc_> only 4 hours more than i
03:30 < rxr> we switched from summer to winter time sunday night - so if your country does not have this stupid daylight saving thing we are 1 hour nearer together
03:31 < mnemoc_> we changed too, that's why we are 2 hours closer :)
03:32 < rxr> ok - the nas thing is fixed with r4521
03:32 < rxr> just tripple checked ...
03:32 < rxr> you did what to your clock? added one hour?
03:34 < mnemoc_> yes
03:35 < rxr> ouhm - time chaos in the world ...
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03:46 < rxr> n8
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08:11 < martin_> moin
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09:15 < rxr> moin
09:20 < martin_> rxr: Today is SYP. 5. and .6 LE. If you will "stick in" ...
09:22 < rxr> yes I would like to and try if it is not too late
09:23 < rxr> I'm currently fighting with me if i'm awaken enough to go out of the house now to attend a lecture @10:00
09:23 < rxr> I should not debug stuff until 4:00 in the night .-(
09:24 < martin_> Hmm, i don't know. Are the 4 week up? Or 2 week, because there is labor, too ...
09:24 < martin_> Yes, this not a good idea
09:25 < martin_> I clean my home and will go out for the 3'rd lession
09:25 < rxr> but when the debugging was to get k3b to work on powerpc again, I guess you are happy then it is fixed now ;-), no?
09:26 < martin_> Ups, why it not work on PPC? It will only use some cdrecord or so?!
09:27 < martin_> But, btw: I have some problems with kernel 2.6.x and cdrecord. My cdrecord will use the SCSI-IDE emulation (?) but I hve it not in my kernel (and need it not more?) ...
09:29 < blindcoder> martin_: dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 or dev=ATA:0,0,0 one of those should do the trick
09:30 < martin_> anyone need a good package-box for Apple iBooks or other laptops? :)
09:30 < blindcoder> (correctly adapting the 0,0,0 of course)
09:32 < rxr> martin_: built the latest cdrtools from t2, and use dev=/dev/ide/.../cd
09:32 < rxr> martin_: is the IMHO most intuitive way
09:33 < rxr> martin_: idescsi always sucked (instable, ungly, no DMA) and does not even work in current 2.6 kernels at all ...
09:34 < rxr> martin_: nowadays it is supported (and normally works way better compared to the old crap) to directy write (burn) to ide atapi devices
09:35 < martin_> okay okay, i will test it. Thanks
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12:59 < sparc-kly> moin
13:00 < rxr> moin
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13:46 < rxr> sparc-kly: just sitting on my U30 ..
13:52 < sparc-kly> coool
14:08 < rxr> if I would have enough money for the electricity bill the U30 would be up all day ...
14:08 < rxr> just that I have too many boxes that "waste"^Wconsume energy here ... :-(
14:10 < sparc-kly> U30 have 300W PS ?
14:10 < rxr> duno
14:11 < sparc-kly> rxr buy U5 . only have 200W PS 
14:11 < rxr> I ahve a U5 ...
14:11 < rxr> bu of course the U30 is a bit faster ...
14:11 < sparc-kly> :D 
14:11 < rxr> + the 21" monitor ...
14:11 < sparc-kly> your U5 is 270mhz ?
14:11 < rxr> yep
14:11 < sparc-kly> i sell my 270mhz U5 
14:11 < rxr> why?
14:12 < sparc-kly> my u2 dual 200mhz is more fast :D 
14:12 < sparc-kly> and 512 ram 
14:12 < sparc-kly> hehehe
14:13 < sparc-kly> why ? u5 occupped more space in my desk 
14:13 < sparc-kly> sorry my english is very bad 
14:13 < sparc-kly> hehehe
14:13 < sparc-kly> i try 
14:13 < sparc-kly> :D;D
14:15  * sparc-kly test netbsd 2.0 in U2
14:24 < rxr> the U20 here has s.th. like 395Mhz or so ...
14:37 < mnemoc_> moin
14:39 < mnemoc_> rxr: mnemosyne-minimal built successfully, bootdisk failed at 5-bdb
14:40 < rxr> ok
14:41 < mnemoc_> bdb's flist has only one file o_O
14:41 < rxr> I look into it
14:50 < mnemoc_> aha!
14:50 < mnemoc_>  g++ -c -I. -I../dist/.. -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_REENTRANT -O2 ../dist/../cxx/cxx_env.cpp  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/cxx_env.o
14:50 < mnemoc_> ../dist/../cxx/cxx_env.cpp: In static member function `static void DbEnv::runtime_error(DbEnv*, const char*, int, int)':
14:50 < mnemoc_> ../dist/../cxx/cxx_env.cpp:502: error: exception handling disabled, use -fexceptions to enable
14:50 < mnemoc_> make: *** [cxx_env.lo] Error 1
14:50 < mnemoc_> oops
14:51 < mnemoc_> tht should have gone to query :(
14:52 < mnemoc_> rxr: why postmake hooks are executed even in build fails?
14:53 < mnemoc_> why is dbd needed by bootdisk?
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14:54 < blindcoder> todsah: I just wait for the post-office guys to deliver the hardware in pieces along with some papers, then mount and install the beasts and call them guys again so they will get the finished machine
14:54 < blindcoder> quite easy, actually
14:54 < blindcoder> hrm
14:54 < blindcoder> damn, wrong channel
14:54 < mnemoc_> :)
14:55 < blindcoder> sorry, everyone :(
14:55 < mnemoc_> don't worry 
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15:12 < rxr> so - fresh build started ...
15:13 < mnemoc_> bootdisk at 5-wget after disabling bdb
15:13 < mnemoc_> (pmmx)
15:14 < rxr> on athlon and ultrasparc ...
15:14 < mnemoc_> target?
15:17 < rxr> desktop
15:17 < rxr> me off into uni
15:17 < rxr> cu
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15:44 < mnemoc_> bootdisk: reiser4progs vs. reiserfsprogs? fsck.reiserfs -> fsck.reiser4fs?
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18:05 < rxr> re
19:03 < mnemoc> rxr: can you read my questions about reiser and bdb?
19:04 < _Ragnar_> ?
19:07 < mnemoc> on bootdisk bdb fails to build because exceptions are disabled
19:08 < mnemoc> and reiser{4,fs}prog share {fsck,mkfs}.reiserfs 
19:34 < rxr> hi
19:34 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
19:34 < rxr> I most probably fix those tonight ...
19:37 < rxr> hm - or maybe later
19:37 < rxr> girlfriend just called ...
19:37  * rxr off a bit
19:38 < rxr> maybe I have the time to fix those later - at least hopefully
19:38 < rxr> if not I promisse to look into it at least tomorrow morning
19:39 < rxr> btw. I got a new computer ;-) I just adopted a 80Mhz (or so) Apple Macintosh 8100/80 ;-)
19:42 < rxr> valentin: you do not need to work on the UpdateList C++ thing - I just did necessary tweaks on my iBook during a (boring) lecture
19:44 < rxr> http://lowendmac.com/ppc/8100.shtml
19:45 < rxr> 8100/80 introduced 1994.03.14 at $4,200; discontinued 1995.01.03
19:46 < rxr> http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac/stats/powermac_8100_80.html
19:48 < rxr> logic board:
19:48 < rxr> http://www.micromac.com/macpixpages/a_power_mac_8100_80.html
19:51 < rxr> cu
20:01 < martin_> re
22:05 < jsaw> hi
22:05 < valentin> rehi
22:05  * valentin without usable workstation now :(
22:06 < valentin> my iBook is broken - same hardware design bug as allmost all g3 ibooks have
22:06  * jsaw knows exactly what valentin is talking about
22:06 < sparc-kly> hi valentin 
22:06 < valentin> and i did not manage to boot into my U30 :(
22:06 < valentin> but i'll carry the hd to rxr
22:06 < sparc-kly> :S silo problems?
22:07 < valentin> no, still the same as yesterday
22:07 < valentin> it's just that i have no other drive to boot from
22:08 < valentin> i plan to plug my hd into rxr's u30 tomorow and fix my system
22:08 < jsaw> it can't read cdr's either?
22:09 < valentin> all i need to do is a chmod +x /lib/ld-linux.so.*
22:09 < valentin> jsaw: i have an very old optical drive in the U30 that does not work anymore
22:10 < valentin> and all other cdr's i have are IDE :/
22:10 < sparc-kly> change u30 to U@ 
22:10 < sparc-kly> U2*
22:10 < jsaw> take a straw and position the end near the lens and blow!
22:10 < valentin> jsaw: this is quite difficult, it is a very old drive with a caddy
22:11 < valentin> rxr tried to repair it ago
22:11 < jsaw> then you just have to open the lid?
22:12 < jsaw> (but no spittle...!)
22:12 < valentin> well ...
22:12 < valentin> hehe
22:12 < jsaw> (worked here on about 3 or 4 CD drives, but I used compressed air)
22:12 < valentin> jsaw: the drive generates scsii-errors, regardless if there is a disc in it or not
22:13 < valentin> so it must be more than the lens
22:13 < jsaw> oh.
22:14 < jsaw> ^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^W...
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22:17 < rene> hi
22:18 < rene> valentin: awake?
22:18 < jsaw> Since the last time I distroyed my ld.so.sth, I was thinking that a minimal boot-system under /boot would come in quite handy
22:18 < valentin> jsaw: full ack
22:18 < rxr> hi valentin 
22:18 < valentin> hi
22:19 < rxr> valentin cann you kill dvbcat on my home box
22:19 < rxr> (haudraufinix)
22:19 < valentin> ok
22:19 < jsaw> hi rxr
22:19 < jsaw> :)
22:19 < rxr> after star trek ended in 5 minutes or so?
22:19 < rxr> susan wants to sleep onw ...
22:19 < rxr> now even
22:19 < jsaw> too late...
22:19 < valentin> rxr: why can't you do yourself ?
22:20 < rxr> well - then I would need to stay here 10 minutes or so and annoy susan?
22:20 < rxr>  ...
22:20 < valentin> ok, i'll kill it
22:25 < rxr> ok
22:25 < rxr> i switch it off
22:25 < rxr> susan overlifed it ...
22:25 < rxr> cu - n8 all
22:25 < jsaw> cu
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