T2 IRC Log: 2004-11-01
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--- Log opened Mon Nov 01 00:00:26 2004
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00:50 < CIA-9> rene * r4499 /trunk/source/UpdateList.cc: * cleaned up UpdateList, includes huge amounts of reindention ... :-(
01:07 < CIA-9> rene * r4500 /trunk/package/gnome2/straw/install-hotfix.patch: * fixed straw (removing obsolete patch)
01:07 < CIA-9> rene * r4501 /trunk/package/editors/ne/ne.desc: * updated ne (1.35 -> 1.38) - tested
01:53 < CIA-9> rene * r4502 /trunk/source/UpdateList.cc: * here goes a UpdateList Version::operator() correction
02:01 < CIA-9> rene * r4503 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-pilot/gcc34.patch: * fixed gnome-pilot (removing obsolete patch) - untested
02:05 < CIA-9> rene * r4504 /trunk/source/UpdateList.cc: * removed debug output from UpdateList and added another comment
02:49 < mnemoc> rehi
03:29 < mnemoc> rxr: NTPL didn't entered stage 2 on bootdisk
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03:41 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | The System Development Environment | http://www.exactcode.de/t2
03:41 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Fri Oct 29 16:53:31 2004]
03:41 [Users #t2]
03:41 [ _martin__] [ blindcoder] [ daja77] [ mnemoc] [ rxr_ ] [ valentin]
03:41 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly]
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03:41 -!- [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
03:41 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
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10:10 < praenti> hi
10:12 < rxr> hi praenti, interesting to se you here ;-)
10:12 < praenti> wanted to know what exactly goes on in T2 *g*
10:12 < praenti> and have seen that I'm also maintainer on some packages
10:12 < praenti> looks like I have to also some work for T2 :-)
10:13 < rxr> only if you want to, we do not force you to do any work
10:17 < praenti> I know. But these few packages should not be a problem
10:18 * praenti subscribed in the list a few minutes ago
10:19 < praenti> rxr: Are you on the 21c3? And btw. do you need some DIN A0 prints for 21c3?
10:20 < praenti> I will do some for XXXX and thats not a problem to do some for your project
10:20 < rxr> I'll not be on the CCC, because I always disliked it fails in the time where I normaly met old friends and such near Hannover
10:21 < praenti> ahh. ok
10:21 < rxr> s/fails/falls
10:21 < rxr> /
10:23 * praenti away.
10:23 < praenti> cu
10:23 < rxr> cu praenti
10:31 < CIA-9> rene * r4505 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgda/gcc34.patch: * fixed libgda (removing obsolete patch)
10:52 < _martin__> hi
10:52 -!- _martin__ is now known as martin_
10:53 < rxr> hi martin_
10:58 < martin_> rxr Ups, I forgot the svn commends to change the trunk for updating some software
11:03 < rxr> change the trunk? what do you want to do?
11:03 < rxr> (do you search for svn switch? or just svn up?)
11:03 * rxr shorty away
11:04 < martin_> will update centericq to 4.12
11:04 < rxr> svn up
11:05 < rxr> ./scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch centericq-4.12 | patch -p0
11:05 < rxr> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg centericq
11:05 < rxr> svn commit package/contrib/centericq
11:06 < rxr>
11:06 < rxr> e.g.:
11:06 < rxr> * updated centericq (4.12)
11:06 < rxr> valentin: can you put the above in a "how to update a package" guide on the homepage *g*?
11:06 * rxr finally really away
11:07 < rxr> oh - one thing missing:
11:07 < martin_> ./scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch centericq-4.12 | patch -p0
11:07 < martin_> don't understand. but io use it ...
11:07 < rxr> ./scripts/Create-CkSumPatch centericq | patch -p0
11:08 < rxr> "Create-PkgUpdPatch centericq-4.12" does create a patch to update the patckage, you can apply. By piping it into patch -p0 you apply the just generated patch immediately to your source-tree ...
11:08 < rxr> some for "Create-CkSumPatch centericq", it does genereat a patch with the new checksum
11:09 < rxr> run them without the | patch -p0 to see the output on the terminal
11:09 < rxr> so - cu in some minutes when I'm back
11:10 < martin_> cu rxr
11:32 < rxr> re
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11:45 < CIA-9> martin * r4506 /trunk/package/contrib/centericq/centericq.desc: * updated centericq (4.12.0)
11:47 * martin_ is happy :-)
11:47 < martin_> But missing my t2-svn mail ....
11:47 * martin_ is away ...
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12:05 < CIA-9> rene * r4507 /trunk/package/contrib/centericq/centericq.desc: * added Martin as maintainer of centericq ;-)
12:05 < rxr> martin_: thanks for teh update
12:07 < CIA-9> rene * r4508 /trunk/package/ (contrib/centericq/ network/centericq/): * moved centericq from contrib to network
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12:16 < CIA-9> rene * r4509 /trunk/architecture/powerpc/kernel.conf.m4:
12:16 < CIA-9> * attempt to include GEN_RTC support in PowerPC kernels - untested
12:16 < CIA-9> but should work
12:32 * rxr booting into a new kernel - cu
12:38 < rxr> re
12:48 < rxr> hm - my kernel patch is not yet perfect
12:48 < rxr> need to reboot soon again
13:02 < rxr> re
13:43 < rxr> re
13:49 < CIA-9> rene * r4510 /trunk/package/base/linux26/999-radeon-backlight.patch:
13:49 < CIA-9> * added a kernel patch to get rid of ugly audio glichtes during display
13:49 < CIA-9> power-on/off cycle on iBooks (2.6.9 regression)
13:50 < sparc-kly> apple power :D
13:51 < sparc-kly> apple dead in 3 years LOL
13:51 < rxr> hehe - i hope mine lives longer ...
13:52 < sparc-kly> i love my powerbook g4 12" :D
13:54 < rxr> yeah, I would, too ;-)
13:55 < rxr> what do you run on it?`some linux flavour or osx?
14:05 < sparc-kly> yellow dog dual phanter
14:05 < sparc-kly> i like phanter :D
14:10 < rxr> http://dl.exactcode.de/irclogs/t2/
14:16 < sparc-kly> coool :D
14:22 < rxr> ;-)
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15:15 < CIA-9> rene * r4511 /trunk/package/develop/subversion/subversion.conf:
15:15 < CIA-9> Christian:
15:15 < CIA-9> * fixed subversion swig bindings (incl. subversion.conf cleanup)
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17:12 < CIA-9> rene * r4512 /trunk/package/network/nload/ (nload.desc noinit_val.patch): * updated nload (0.5.0 -> 0.6.0) - tested
17:13 < CIA-9> rene * r4513 /trunk/package/base/gpm/gpm.desc: * took over gpm and added a [U]RL tag
17:19 < rxr> that is sooo crazzy, the biggest memory consumer is thunderbird as my mail client ...
17:19 < rxr> equally crazzy is how much memory xmms needs to play some tiny music files ...
17:19 * rxr headshake ...
17:28 < CIA-9> rene * r4514 /trunk/package/base/mouseemu/ ( mouseemu.conf mouseemu.desc mouseemu.init): * added mouseemu (0.12) - tested
17:35 [Users #t2]
17:35 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc_] [ praenti] [ sparc-kly]
17:35 [ blindcoder] [ daja77] [ martin_] [ nzg ] [ rxr ] [ valentin ]
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17:43 < CIA-9> rene * r4515 /trunk/package/network/ (9 files in 2 dirs):
17:43 < CIA-9> Christian Wiese:
17:43 < CIA-9> * added nagios and nagios-plugins
18:05 < rxr> Quote: ">Not directly. I'm under the impression that sunleo and sunffb aren't really
18:05 < rxr> >> considered interesting anymore. I'd love to be corrected.
18:05 < rxr> Well, machines like the SPARCstation-10-/-20 (e.g. machines where the
18:05 < rxr> leo fb fits in) are still available on Ebay and due the way Sun built
18:05 < rxr> the hardware in those days (=rock-solid) they may run for the next
18:05 < rxr> twenty years (assuming you're a good owner and care about the machines
18:05 < rxr> (remove dust inside the case every half year etc. :)). sunffb... AFAIK
18:05 < rxr> that was the Creator series (Alan may correct me) and they are still
18:05 < rxr> very widespread these days (like in the Ultra-10, the larger twin of the
18:05 < rxr> Ultra5) ...
18:05 < rxr> "
19:03 < rxr> another one "Backing store and XAA are mutually exclusive. If you do an XAA-accelerated
19:03 < rxr> operation to a region with a backing store, then you invalidate the backing
19:03 < rxr> store. Woops.
19:03 < rxr> XAA goes to a lot of effort to accelerate the primitives no one uses, and
19:03 < rxr> desperately needs to be taken out behind the barn and shot. KAA accelerates
19:03 < rxr> probably a tenth of the ops XAA accelerates, but they're the right tenth so
19:03 < rxr> the code is simpler and the performance way better."
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22:47 < martin_> Updated to revision 4515.
22:47 < martin_> real 2m34.000s
22:47 < martin_> user 0m2.182s
22:47 < martin_> sys 0m1.794s
22:47 < martin_> rxr this are normal times?
22:48 < martin_> .... svn up from t2 trunki)
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22:49 < rxr> did much stuff scroll by?
22:49 < jsaw> re
22:49 < rxr> hi jsaw !
22:49 < jsaw> hi rxr.
22:50 < rxr> martin_: I guess a second run is much faster?
22:50 < martin_> yes but it need always some minutes
22:50 < jsaw> martin_: depends..., slow server or ran out of entropy...
22:50 < rxr> on the first run your iBook harddisk might most probably spend most time moving the head to random locations ...
22:51 < martin_> hmmm, yes a second run is faster.
22:51 < rxr> a first run has this time here:
22:51 < rxr> real 1m39.035s
22:51 < rxr> user 0m2.451s
22:51 < rxr> sys 0m3.202s
22:51 < rxr> a second
22:51 < rxr> real 0m31.394s
22:51 < rxr> user 0m1.706s
22:51 < rxr> sys 0m1.219s
22:52 < jsaw> ah, the cache...
22:52 < rxr> and my dsl line is currently saturated with two bittorrent downloads ...
22:53 < jsaw> guess, if you unpack a huge tar ball you have the timing of the "first run" again...
22:53 < rxr> of course ..
22:53 < martin_> hmmm, okay.
22:54 < rxr> if you run find . -name '*' (on some systems a find without arguemtns is sufficient) before the svn up you get the same effect ;-)
22:54 < jsaw> the svn tree is quite large.
22:55 < jsaw> somehow strange to watch "terminator" these days, isn't it (just started on tv)?
22:55 < martin_> yes. but 70 seconds are a long time
22:55 < rxr> yeah - nice governour
22:56 < martin_> but I will go sleep now
22:57 < rxr> yeah - just cut'ed farhenheit on my raid5 disk ;-)
22:57 < rxr> dvb-t is soooo cool
22:57 < rxr> who needs gui apps when you have cat and /dev ;-)
22:57 * martin_ is maintainer for one packag. wow :-)
22:57 < rxr> martin_: more to come ;-)!
22:57 < martin_> dvb-t ... usb ... box ...:-(
22:57 < jsaw> oh, nice, I just saw the last hour of f°9/11
22:58 < martin_> yes, the scripts are very easy to use.
22:58 < rxr> jsaw: we have the next write accessor, soon ;-) jeru asked for it ;-)!
22:58 < jsaw> good!
22:58 < rxr> jsaw: so you want a copy of the beginning od the movie?
22:59 < rxr> be warned that the dvb mpeg2 is quite big ...
22:59 < rxr> 3.3GB ;-)
23:00 < rxr> but since I watched time-shifted there is 0.15 GB or so of t2^Wterminator on it - i could strip it with dd ;-)
23:00 * martin_ is AWAY (gn8) ...
23:00 < rxr> n8 martin_
23:00 < jsaw> cu martin_ !
23:01 < jsaw> rxr: I have no hw currently to watch anything (only a TV which is hogged by my wife :) well, I usually car for my lil girl after 8pm...so I can't watch anyway :)
23:01 < jsaw> s/car/care/
23:02 < jsaw> damn athlon tb is dead :(
23:02 < rxr> I only have ~300 Mhz boxes to spare here ...
23:03 < jsaw> that would be actually better than nothing, but here comes the next restructuring: I have to give up my work room, because my daughter needs it <= the next child is on it's way, ya know
23:03 < jsaw> and until I know where I can put my stuff....
23:04 < jsaw> ..............
23:04 < jsaw> (and I should concentrate on finishing my thesis, so ....)
23:04 < rxr> aha! ;-) congratulations ;-) I already experience such stuff over @ lars'
23:05 < jsaw> next year, believe me, I'll probably will try to get an amd64 or so.
23:05 < jsaw> rxr: thanks!
23:05 < jsaw> but first I have to have a full position.
23:06 < rxr> the nas ma
23:06 < rxr> Makefiles even are pure crap ..
23:06 < jsaw> _
23:06 < jsaw> ?
23:06 < jsaw> oh
23:06 < rxr> they finish without error even on such stuff:
23:06 < rxr> cc1: error: invalid option `pentium'
23:06 < rxr> cc1: error: invalid option `ieee-fp'
23:06 < rxr> powerpc of course ..
23:07 < jsaw> nice.
23:16 < rxr> hm - and the compile process full of stuff like:
23:16 < rxr> gram.y:156: warning: return type defaults to `int'
23:16 < rxr> gram.y:237: warning: control reaches end of non-void function
23:16 < rxr> auprocess.c:1408: warning: unused variable `i'
23:16 < rxr> auprocess.c:1461: warning: unused variable `bps'
23:17 < jsaw> rxr: do you have any inclination to "fix" updatelst to work with sourceforge? (e.g. look at this: ftp://dl.sourceforge.net/pub/sourceforge/r/re/rep-gtk/)
23:17 < rxr> auutil.c:308: warning: 'n' might be used uninitialized in this function
23:17 < rxr> ...
23:17 < mnemoc_> rehi
23:17 < rxr> hi mnemoc_
23:17 < jsaw> hi mnemoc_
23:17 < mnemoc_> hi rxr, jsaw
23:17 < rxr> jsaw: yes, UpdateList will get smarter
23:17 < mnemoc_> question: why did we update glibc?
23:17 < rxr> access.c:549: warning: suggest parentheses around assignment used as truth value
23:17 < rxr> mnemoc_: accidently ;-)
23:17 < jsaw> rxr: so, the CV-* thing is definitely gone?
23:18 < rxr> I just wanted to test it - and accidently commited it ...
23:18 < rxr> jsaw: nope, only 2/3 of the CV- stuff ... CV-URL might still be used
23:18 < mnemoc_> CV-filters where nice
23:18 < rxr> but UpdateList should become smarted by default so hints should only be needed really seldom
23:18 < mnemoc_> were*
23:19 < jsaw> rephrased, should/can CV-* still be used or is it deprecated until removed?
23:19 < rxr> mnemoc_: the updatelist should get it done, after all it is not such a difficult thing to check for updates ..
23:19 < rxr> only CVS-URL should be used in my opinion
23:19 < rxr> mnemoc_: just revert the version update part of glibc
23:20 < rxr> since we both have most probably no time to fix it in the next days ...
23:20 < rxr> oh my - seldom saw such a noise build as nas is ...
23:21 < rxr> guess it will get on the looks that ugly on the first look - remeber to not use it list ...
23:23 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r4516 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/ (build.sh config.in): * mnemosyne - debugging
23:26 < CIA-9> jsaw * r4517 /trunk/package/editors/auctex/ (auctex.conf auctex.desc): * update auctex (11.13 -> 11.53)
23:28 < CIA-9> jsaw * r4518 /trunk/package/editors/xemacs-packages/xemacs-packages.desc: * update xemacs-packages (2004-02-02 -> 2004-08-18)
23:29 < mnemoc_> rxr: does it need any 'new' patch or only change [V]?
23:29 < rxr> what?
23:30 < rxr> you mean the downdate?
23:30 < mnemoc_> yes
23:31 < rxr> only V afair
23:31 < mnemoc_> your commit got mixed with another stuff i don't want to revert
23:31 * mnemoc_ started a build with glibc downdated
23:33 < jsaw> could you commit the downdate_
23:33 < jsaw> ?
23:33 < rxr> mnemoc_: yes, just commit it ;-)
23:34 < mnemoc_> sure?
23:34 < rxr> yep
23:37 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r4519 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.desc: * glibc downdated (2.3.4-2004-10-28 -> 2.3.4-2004-08-01) to see if this restabilize trunk
23:44 < rxr> jsaw: mnemoc_ valentin btw just comment my stuff on t2 so I know what you think about plannings
23:47 < rxr> mnemoc_: btw regarding cvs stuff, it now should yield reliable checksums
23:47 < rxr> just that the last two major tar version yield different archives ... :-(
23:47 < mnemoc_> :(
23:47 < rxr> we could force the new tar version in the Check-System ...
23:49 < jsaw> I have some source somewhere that only checksums (md5) content of a tar.
23:51 < jsaw> would be easy to modify to omit .svn/CVS etc directories i guess
23:52 < rxr> I already rm -rf the CVS files ... that is not the problem ..
23:53 < rxr> the problem is that the last two gnu/tar version generate not bit equal header and other housekeeping bits in the archive ...
23:53 < jsaw> see above "checksuming only content", not the headers etc.
23:54 < jsaw> so you could use the most ancient tar and it would yield identical md5 sums
23:56 < rxr> well, but we do not want to have different checksumming for cvs checked out files and non-cvs checked out files - as well as the difference for cvs-checkouts and those obtained from the mirror ..
23:56 < rxr> or do you want to switch to that new checksum mechanism for any file?
23:57 < jsaw> actually yes, but in the sense "if we would only md5sum the tar content, we would have to do it everywhere"
23:59 < rxr> we would have to redo all checksums ..
23:59 < rxr> and we would have a different mechanism for tar and one for other files
--- Log closed Tue Nov 02 00:00:40 2004
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00:50 < CIA-9> rene * r4499 /trunk/source/UpdateList.cc: * cleaned up UpdateList, includes huge amounts of reindention ... :-(
01:07 < CIA-9> rene * r4500 /trunk/package/gnome2/straw/install-hotfix.patch: * fixed straw (removing obsolete patch)
01:07 < CIA-9> rene * r4501 /trunk/package/editors/ne/ne.desc: * updated ne (1.35 -> 1.38) - tested
01:53 < CIA-9> rene * r4502 /trunk/source/UpdateList.cc: * here goes a UpdateList Version::operator() correction
02:01 < CIA-9> rene * r4503 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-pilot/gcc34.patch: * fixed gnome-pilot (removing obsolete patch) - untested
02:05 < CIA-9> rene * r4504 /trunk/source/UpdateList.cc: * removed debug output from UpdateList and added another comment
02:49 < mnemoc> rehi
03:29 < mnemoc> rxr: NTPL didn't entered stage 2 on bootdisk
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03:41 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | The System Development Environment | http://www.exactcode.de/t2
03:41 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Fri Oct 29 16:53:31 2004]
03:41 [Users #t2]
03:41 [ _martin__] [ blindcoder] [ daja77] [ mnemoc] [ rxr_ ] [ valentin]
03:41 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly]
03:41 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 11 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 11 normal]
03:41 -!- [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
03:41 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
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10:10 < praenti> hi
10:12 < rxr> hi praenti, interesting to se you here ;-)
10:12 < praenti> wanted to know what exactly goes on in T2 *g*
10:12 < praenti> and have seen that I'm also maintainer on some packages
10:12 < praenti> looks like I have to also some work for T2 :-)
10:13 < rxr> only if you want to, we do not force you to do any work
10:17 < praenti> I know. But these few packages should not be a problem
10:18 * praenti subscribed in the list a few minutes ago
10:19 < praenti> rxr: Are you on the 21c3? And btw. do you need some DIN A0 prints for 21c3?
10:20 < praenti> I will do some for XXXX and thats not a problem to do some for your project
10:20 < rxr> I'll not be on the CCC, because I always disliked it fails in the time where I normaly met old friends and such near Hannover
10:21 < praenti> ahh. ok
10:21 < rxr> s/fails/falls
10:21 < rxr> /
10:23 * praenti away.
10:23 < praenti> cu
10:23 < rxr> cu praenti
10:31 < CIA-9> rene * r4505 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgda/gcc34.patch: * fixed libgda (removing obsolete patch)
10:52 < _martin__> hi
10:52 -!- _martin__ is now known as martin_
10:53 < rxr> hi martin_
10:58 < martin_> rxr Ups, I forgot the svn commends to change the trunk for updating some software
11:03 < rxr> change the trunk? what do you want to do?
11:03 < rxr> (do you search for svn switch? or just svn up?)
11:03 * rxr shorty away
11:04 < martin_> will update centericq to 4.12
11:04 < rxr> svn up
11:05 < rxr> ./scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch centericq-4.12 | patch -p0
11:05 < rxr> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg centericq
11:05 < rxr> svn commit package/contrib/centericq
11:06 < rxr>
11:06 < rxr> e.g.:
11:06 < rxr>
11:06 < rxr> valentin: can you put the above in a "how to update a package" guide on the homepage *g*?
11:06 * rxr finally really away
11:07 < rxr> oh - one thing missing:
11:07 < martin_> ./scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch centericq-4.12 | patch -p0
11:07 < martin_> don't understand. but io use it ...
11:07 < rxr> ./scripts/Create-CkSumPatch centericq | patch -p0
11:08 < rxr> "Create-PkgUpdPatch centericq-4.12" does create a patch to update the patckage, you can apply. By piping it into patch -p0 you apply the just generated patch immediately to your source-tree ...
11:08 < rxr> some for "Create-CkSumPatch centericq", it does genereat a patch with the new checksum
11:09 < rxr> run them without the | patch -p0 to see the output on the terminal
11:09 < rxr> so - cu in some minutes when I'm back
11:10 < martin_> cu rxr
11:32 < rxr> re
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11:45 < CIA-9> martin * r4506 /trunk/package/contrib/centericq/centericq.desc: * updated centericq (4.12.0)
11:47 * martin_ is happy :-)
11:47 < martin_> But missing my t2-svn mail ....
11:47 * martin_ is away ...
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12:05 < CIA-9> rene * r4507 /trunk/package/contrib/centericq/centericq.desc: * added Martin as maintainer of centericq ;-)
12:05 < rxr> martin_: thanks for teh update
12:07 < CIA-9> rene * r4508 /trunk/package/ (contrib/centericq/ network/centericq/): * moved centericq from contrib to network
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12:16 < CIA-9> rene * r4509 /trunk/architecture/powerpc/kernel.conf.m4:
12:16 < CIA-9> * attempt to include GEN_RTC support in PowerPC kernels - untested
12:16 < CIA-9> but should work
12:32 * rxr booting into a new kernel - cu
12:38 < rxr> re
12:48 < rxr> hm - my kernel patch is not yet perfect
12:48 < rxr> need to reboot soon again
13:02 < rxr> re
13:43 < rxr> re
13:49 < CIA-9> rene * r4510 /trunk/package/base/linux26/999-radeon-backlight.patch:
13:49 < CIA-9> * added a kernel patch to get rid of ugly audio glichtes during display
13:49 < CIA-9> power-on/off cycle on iBooks (2.6.9 regression)
13:50 < sparc-kly> apple power :D
13:51 < sparc-kly> apple dead in 3 years LOL
13:51 < rxr> hehe - i hope mine lives longer ...
13:52 < sparc-kly> i love my powerbook g4 12" :D
13:54 < rxr> yeah, I would, too ;-)
13:55 < rxr> what do you run on it?`some linux flavour or osx?
14:05 < sparc-kly> yellow dog dual phanter
14:05 < sparc-kly> i like phanter :D
14:10 < rxr> http://dl.exactcode.de/irclogs/t2/
14:16 < sparc-kly> coool :D
14:22 < rxr> ;-)
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15:15 < CIA-9> rene * r4511 /trunk/package/develop/subversion/subversion.conf:
15:15 < CIA-9> Christian
15:15 < CIA-9> * fixed subversion swig bindings (incl. subversion.conf cleanup)
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17:12 < CIA-9> rene * r4512 /trunk/package/network/nload/ (nload.desc noinit_val.patch): * updated nload (0.5.0 -> 0.6.0) - tested
17:13 < CIA-9> rene * r4513 /trunk/package/base/gpm/gpm.desc: * took over gpm and added a [U]RL tag
17:19 < rxr> that is sooo crazzy, the biggest memory consumer is thunderbird as my mail client ...
17:19 < rxr> equally crazzy is how much memory xmms needs to play some tiny music files ...
17:19 * rxr headshake ...
17:28 < CIA-9> rene * r4514 /trunk/package/base/mouseemu/ ( mouseemu.conf mouseemu.desc mouseemu.init): * added mouseemu (0.12) - tested
17:35 [Users #t2]
17:35 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc_] [ praenti] [ sparc-kly]
17:35 [ blindcoder] [ daja77] [ martin_] [ nzg ] [ rxr ] [ valentin ]
17:35 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 12 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal]
17:43 < CIA-9> rene * r4515 /trunk/package/network/ (9 files in 2 dirs):
17:43 < CIA-9> Christian Wiese
17:43 < CIA-9> * added nagios and nagios-plugins
18:05 < rxr> Quote: ">Not directly. I'm under the impression that sunleo and sunffb aren't really
18:05 < rxr> >> considered interesting anymore. I'd love to be corrected.
18:05 < rxr> Well, machines like the SPARCstation-10-/-20 (e.g. machines where the
18:05 < rxr> leo fb fits in) are still available on Ebay and due the way Sun built
18:05 < rxr> the hardware in those days (=rock-solid) they may run for the next
18:05 < rxr> twenty years (assuming you're a good owner and care about the machines
18:05 < rxr> (remove dust inside the case every half year etc. :)). sunffb... AFAIK
18:05 < rxr> that was the Creator series (Alan may correct me) and they are still
18:05 < rxr> very widespread these days (like in the Ultra-10, the larger twin of the
18:05 < rxr> Ultra5) ...
18:05 < rxr> "
19:03 < rxr> another one "Backing store and XAA are mutually exclusive. If you do an XAA-accelerated
19:03 < rxr> operation to a region with a backing store, then you invalidate the backing
19:03 < rxr> store. Woops.
19:03 < rxr> XAA goes to a lot of effort to accelerate the primitives no one uses, and
19:03 < rxr> desperately needs to be taken out behind the barn and shot. KAA accelerates
19:03 < rxr> probably a tenth of the ops XAA accelerates, but they're the right tenth so
19:03 < rxr> the code is simpler and the performance way better."
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22:47 < martin_> Updated to revision 4515.
22:47 < martin_> real 2m34.000s
22:47 < martin_> user 0m2.182s
22:47 < martin_> sys 0m1.794s
22:47 < martin_> rxr this are normal times?
22:48 < martin_> .... svn up from t2 trunki)
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22:49 < rxr> did much stuff scroll by?
22:49 < jsaw> re
22:49 < rxr> hi jsaw !
22:49 < jsaw> hi rxr.
22:50 < rxr> martin_: I guess a second run is much faster?
22:50 < martin_> yes but it need always some minutes
22:50 < jsaw> martin_: depends..., slow server or ran out of entropy...
22:50 < rxr> on the first run your iBook harddisk might most probably spend most time moving the head to random locations ...
22:51 < martin_> hmmm, yes a second run is faster.
22:51 < rxr> a first run has this time here:
22:51 < rxr> real 1m39.035s
22:51 < rxr> user 0m2.451s
22:51 < rxr> sys 0m3.202s
22:51 < rxr> a second
22:51 < rxr> real 0m31.394s
22:51 < rxr> user 0m1.706s
22:51 < rxr> sys 0m1.219s
22:52 < jsaw> ah, the cache...
22:52 < rxr> and my dsl line is currently saturated with two bittorrent downloads ...
22:53 < jsaw> guess, if you unpack a huge tar ball you have the timing of the "first run" again...
22:53 < rxr> of course ..
22:53 < martin_> hmmm, okay.
22:54 < rxr> if you run find . -name '*' (on some systems a find without arguemtns is sufficient) before the svn up you get the same effect ;-)
22:54 < jsaw> the svn tree is quite large.
22:55 < jsaw> somehow strange to watch "terminator" these days, isn't it (just started on tv)?
22:55 < martin_> yes. but 70 seconds are a long time
22:55 < rxr> yeah - nice governour
22:56 < martin_> but I will go sleep now
22:57 < rxr> yeah - just cut'ed farhenheit on my raid5 disk ;-)
22:57 < rxr> dvb-t is soooo cool
22:57 < rxr> who needs gui apps when you have cat and /dev ;-)
22:57 * martin_ is maintainer for one packag. wow :-)
22:57 < rxr> martin_: more to come ;-)!
22:57 < martin_> dvb-t ... usb ... box ...:-(
22:57 < jsaw> oh, nice, I just saw the last hour of f°9/11
22:58 < martin_> yes, the scripts are very easy to use.
22:58 < rxr> jsaw: we have the next write accessor, soon ;-) jeru asked for it ;-)!
22:58 < jsaw> good!
22:58 < rxr> jsaw: so you want a copy of the beginning od the movie?
22:59 < rxr> be warned that the dvb mpeg2 is quite big ...
22:59 < rxr> 3.3GB ;-)
23:00 < rxr> but since I watched time-shifted there is 0.15 GB or so of t2^Wterminator on it - i could strip it with dd ;-)
23:00 * martin_ is AWAY (gn8) ...
23:00 < rxr> n8 martin_
23:00 < jsaw> cu martin_ !
23:01 < jsaw> rxr: I have no hw currently to watch anything (only a TV which is hogged by my wife :) well, I usually car for my lil girl after 8pm...so I can't watch anyway :)
23:01 < jsaw> s/car/care/
23:02 < jsaw> damn athlon tb is dead :(
23:02 < rxr> I only have ~300 Mhz boxes to spare here ...
23:03 < jsaw> that would be actually better than nothing, but here comes the next restructuring: I have to give up my work room, because my daughter needs it <= the next child is on it's way, ya know
23:03 < jsaw> and until I know where I can put my stuff....
23:04 < jsaw> ..............
23:04 < jsaw> (and I should concentrate on finishing my thesis, so ....)
23:04 < rxr> aha! ;-) congratulations ;-) I already experience such stuff over @ lars'
23:05 < jsaw> next year, believe me, I'll probably will try to get an amd64 or so.
23:05 < jsaw> rxr: thanks!
23:05 < jsaw> but first I have to have a full position.
23:06 < rxr> the nas ma
23:06 < rxr> Makefiles even are pure crap ..
23:06 < jsaw> _
23:06 < jsaw> ?
23:06 < jsaw> oh
23:06 < rxr> they finish without error even on such stuff:
23:06 < rxr> cc1: error: invalid option `pentium'
23:06 < rxr> cc1: error: invalid option `ieee-fp'
23:06 < rxr> powerpc of course ..
23:07 < jsaw> nice.
23:16 < rxr> hm - and the compile process full of stuff like:
23:16 < rxr> gram.y:156: warning: return type defaults to `int'
23:16 < rxr> gram.y:237: warning: control reaches end of non-void function
23:16 < rxr> auprocess.c:1408: warning: unused variable `i'
23:16 < rxr> auprocess.c:1461: warning: unused variable `bps'
23:17 < jsaw> rxr: do you have any inclination to "fix" updatelst to work with sourceforge? (e.g. look at this: ftp://dl.sourceforge.net/pub/sourceforge/r/re/rep-gtk/)
23:17 < rxr> auutil.c:308: warning: 'n' might be used uninitialized in this function
23:17 < rxr> ...
23:17 < mnemoc_> rehi
23:17 < rxr> hi mnemoc_
23:17 < jsaw> hi mnemoc_
23:17 < mnemoc_> hi rxr, jsaw
23:17 < rxr> jsaw: yes, UpdateList will get smarter
23:17 < mnemoc_> question: why did we update glibc?
23:17 < rxr> access.c:549: warning: suggest parentheses around assignment used as truth value
23:17 < rxr> mnemoc_: accidently ;-)
23:17 < jsaw> rxr: so, the CV-* thing is definitely gone?
23:18 < rxr> I just wanted to test it - and accidently commited it ...
23:18 < rxr> jsaw: nope, only 2/3 of the CV- stuff ... CV-URL might still be used
23:18 < mnemoc_> CV-filters where nice
23:18 < rxr> but UpdateList should become smarted by default so hints should only be needed really seldom
23:18 < mnemoc_> were*
23:19 < jsaw> rephrased, should/can CV-* still be used or is it deprecated until removed?
23:19 < rxr> mnemoc_: the updatelist should get it done, after all it is not such a difficult thing to check for updates ..
23:19 < rxr> only CVS-URL should be used in my opinion
23:19 < rxr> mnemoc_: just revert the version update part of glibc
23:20 < rxr> since we both have most probably no time to fix it in the next days ...
23:20 < rxr> oh my - seldom saw such a noise build as nas is ...
23:21 < rxr> guess it will get on the looks that ugly on the first look - remeber to not use it list ...
23:23 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r4516 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/ (build.sh config.in): * mnemosyne - debugging
23:26 < CIA-9> jsaw * r4517 /trunk/package/editors/auctex/ (auctex.conf auctex.desc): * update auctex (11.13 -> 11.53)
23:28 < CIA-9> jsaw * r4518 /trunk/package/editors/xemacs-packages/xemacs-packages.desc: * update xemacs-packages (2004-02-02 -> 2004-08-18)
23:29 < mnemoc_> rxr: does it need any 'new' patch or only change [V]?
23:29 < rxr> what?
23:30 < rxr> you mean the downdate?
23:30 < mnemoc_> yes
23:31 < rxr> only V afair
23:31 < mnemoc_> your commit got mixed with another stuff i don't want to revert
23:31 * mnemoc_ started a build with glibc downdated
23:33 < jsaw> could you commit the downdate_
23:33 < jsaw> ?
23:33 < rxr> mnemoc_: yes, just commit it ;-)
23:34 < mnemoc_> sure?
23:34 < rxr> yep
23:37 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r4519 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.desc: * glibc downdated (2.3.4-2004-10-28 -> 2.3.4-2004-08-01) to see if this restabilize trunk
23:44 < rxr> jsaw: mnemoc_ valentin btw just comment my stuff on t2 so I know what you think about plannings
23:47 < rxr> mnemoc_: btw regarding cvs stuff, it now should yield reliable checksums
23:47 < rxr> just that the last two major tar version yield different archives ... :-(
23:47 < mnemoc_> :(
23:47 < rxr> we could force the new tar version in the Check-System ...
23:49 < jsaw> I have some source somewhere that only checksums (md5) content of a tar.
23:51 < jsaw> would be easy to modify to omit .svn/CVS etc directories i guess
23:52 < rxr> I already rm -rf the CVS files ... that is not the problem ..
23:53 < rxr> the problem is that the last two gnu/tar version generate not bit equal header and other housekeeping bits in the archive ...
23:53 < jsaw> see above "checksuming only content", not the headers etc.
23:54 < jsaw> so you could use the most ancient tar and it would yield identical md5 sums
23:56 < rxr> well, but we do not want to have different checksumming for cvs checked out files and non-cvs checked out files - as well as the difference for cvs-checkouts and those obtained from the mirror ..
23:56 < rxr> or do you want to switch to that new checksum mechanism for any file?
23:57 < jsaw> actually yes, but in the sense "if we would only md5sum the tar content, we would have to do it everywhere"
23:59 < rxr> we would have to redo all checksums ..
23:59 < rxr> and we would have a different mechanism for tar and one for other files
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