T2 IRC Log: 2004-09-24

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--- Log opened Fri Sep 24 00:00:17 2004
--- Day changed Fri Sep 24 2004
00:00 < rxr> hm - it starts to get on my nerves that the new bash has bugs in the hashing functions
00:00 < rxr> seg-faults sometimes, reproducable in those cases
00:14 < martin___> hi and gn8 :-)
00:35 < rxr> hi
00:36 < rxr> so - me starting to crawl into bed - maybe one commit (sparc gcc-3.4 fix for linux24) will follow ....
00:36 < rxr> n8 alll
10:48 -!- rxr_ [~rene@p213.54.240.25.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
10:48 -!- Topic for #t2: t2 - for everyone demanding an up-to-date and open system - pre-release until October the 1st
10:48 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Tue Sep 21 02:06:47 2004]
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10:50 < rxr_> re
10:50 < rxr_> wow - sparc still up ... - seems the debian kernel is more stable ....
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12:52 < rxr> sparc64 box now up 22:22 - this starts to get a new record ... - at least it is not the hardware and I can concentrate to track what is "wrong" with my own kernel image later
13:54 < rxr> hey - cool - the 64bit qt just finished on the U30 ;-)!
14:02 < martin___> moin
14:02 < rxr> moin martin___
14:02 -!- martin___ is now known as martin
14:03 < martin> rxr: wie geht's?
14:03 < rxr> naja ...
14:04 < martin> wieso das? Stimmt was nicht?
14:05 < rxr> let's better work on t2 ...
14:05 < martin> ok
14:27 < rxr> any idea into what repository rrdtool should go into?
14:53 < rxr> to be sorted (for bored people): mathieu mnemoc rene sirkull
14:53 < rxr> I think those are all left -^
14:57 < martin> trunk/package/themes/ ... vor kde or xmms or both?
14:57 < rxr> for all themes
14:57 < rxr> gnome too - icon themes, ...
14:58 < rxr> if we get too many later - we could sort as following
14:58 < rxr> kde-core
14:58 < rxr> kde-extra
14:58 < rxr> kde-themes
14:58 < rxr> or so ... - with kde also substituted for gnome, xfce, ...
14:58 < martin> okay, because tehre is a keramik theme vor kde and gnome and xms, too.
14:59 < rxr> feel free to add what you like there - e.g. your many cursor themes you tried, ...
15:00 < martin> ... nobody need really themes ;)
15:02 < martin> hmmm, rrdtools are output html or only a deamon and I need other tools, too?
15:03 < rxr> rddtols is a library with all the programs in one package - I think
15:03 < rxr> you would just need the package to gather the data points and generate teh statistics from it AFAICS
15:05 -!- rxr changed the topic of #t2 to: t2 - grab the source @ http://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/t2/
15:09 < rxr> sparc64 now up 1 day 39 minutes - I think this is the highest uptime of the U30 so far - so it "seems" to be caused by my binaries - damn, s.th. to track down ... ;-)
15:09 < rxr> s/binaries/kernel binaries/ ...
15:09 < rxr> not the user-space of course ...
16:29 < rxr> martin: where - grummel grummel - have you found to disable the sh*t f*cking google searchbar of konqueror?
16:40 -!- madtux [~mike@ip201-133-122-200.ct.co.cr] has joined #t2
16:40 < madtux> hello
16:43 < rxr> hi martin
16:43 < rxr> madtux even ;-)
16:44 < madtux> hehe
16:44 < madtux> howdy?
16:44 < rxr> yeah - hi!
17:01 < martin> re
17:01 < martin> rxr: you must select the right toolbar in the toolbar settings
17:02 < rxr> ah - thanks - right
17:03 < martin> rxr: hmm, is work kooldock fine?
17:03 < rxr> but now my location does not expand over the whole konqueror windows :-()
17:03 < rxr> martin: I do not use it right now - it worked not that bad at the time I used it ...
17:05 < martin> hmmm, is there KDE 3.3 for rock/t2 ?
17:18 < rxr> martin: yep - in t2 of course
17:19 < rxr> as well as gnome-28
17:21 < rxr> martin: ok - bow my konqueror bars looks as expected - I diabled the wrong bar :-(
17:23 < rxr> madtux: the sparc64 (real 64bit) build looks quite well now
17:23 < rxr> I just need to fix some minor (I hope) gcc problems later
17:23 < rxr> madtux: as well as to track why some kernel binaries freeze on that box occationally ...
17:25 < madtux> rxr, sounds excellent
17:25 < rxr> madtux: btw, have you tried the sparc/sparc64 rock boot/rescue-cd I released?
17:27 < madtux> no i have been been using my ultra for gentoo-selinux stuff, while there was a rock-sparc64 iso
17:27 < martin> And is there a way to install new KDE and Gnome on my system?
17:27 < rxr> martin: yep - best remove the /opt/$x dir on your system and use T2 with ./scripts/Emerge -repostiory kde (or gnome2) ...
17:27 < rxr> e.g.:
17:28 < rxr> rm -rf /opt/kde3
17:28 < rxr> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -repository kde
17:28 < rxr> or use mine -rf "some packages" to uninstall the packages - but rm -rf is faster *g*
17:29 < martin> and gnome will build with no errors?
17:29 < rxr> hehe - better wait for an errorless gnome a few days
17:29 < rxr> kde will build fine - and most of gnome-2.8, too
17:29 < rxr> but some gnome packages have really strange unresolved symbols someone needs to track
17:29 < martin> okay, I will test it
17:29 < rxr> but much gnome-2.8 stuff will compile - e.g. including nautilus ...
17:31 < rxr> but when you need some practice fixing packages I would really like to receive patches to fix those gnome errors ...
17:34 < mnemoc_> moin
17:36 < rxr> hi mnemoc_
17:37 < madtux> gnome.. patches.. rxr i could do that
17:37 < rxr> madtux: that would be really cool!
17:37 < rxr> madtux: we have gnome updated to 2.8.0 here, just some packages fail when linking with bonobo
17:37 < madtux> excellent!
17:38 < rxr> some few strange unresolved symbols - I tried to track - but did not yet found out why they are caused
17:38 < madtux> i'm downloading packages right away to build and debug this weekend
17:38 < rxr> the rest build - as I said above ...
17:38 < rxr> using the t2 build scripts?
17:38 < madtux> well i;m looking forward to thar
17:38 < madtux> that*
17:39 < rxr> nice - thanks for that ;-)
17:39 < martin> rxr: remove qt33, too?
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17:39 < rxr> ouhm
17:39 < rxr> no you can leave that
17:40 < madtux> :)
17:40 < madtux> rxr, i believe in the quality of your code
17:41 < rxr> madtux: thanks ,) - current T2 just carries cleaned ROCK build scripts - the C++ rewrite will really rock, very fast and a fun to maintain (e.g. readable;-)
17:42 < madtux> good
17:42 < mnemoc> how much awk?
17:42 < rxr> but a 2.1 release first - and then the C++ rewrite - the cool thing is that we can just have both source sets in parallel using the same package descriptions ...
17:42 < rxr> no awk - all C++
17:42 < rxr> ;-)
17:42 < mnemoc> =)
17:43 < martin> +== 17:42:54 =[9]=> Building kde/qt [3.3.3 2.1.0-DEV].
17:43 < mnemoc> RL-2.1 and T2-2.1 download dirs are 100% compatible?
17:43 < rxr> I know, some do not like C++, but I plan to let you feel in love when you first see it
17:43 < rxr> mnemoc: yep - unless the ROCK people do s.th. very silly this will be the case
17:44 < mnemoc> if it's standard c++ i have no problem with that
17:44 < rxr> (in fact I still use the ROCK mirror infracstructure ;-) - we are more up-to-date with the core and important patches so we start to get more and more mirror-misses
17:44 < rxr> )
17:45 < rxr> yeah - it will be ANSI C++ of course - but utilizing the STL (and maybe regex stuff from boost or so - but what we use from boost will be copied in tree to not have such a huge dependency [on boost])
17:53 < madtux> [mike@talena trunk]$ ./scripts/Download -cfg system -requred
17:53 < madtux> INFO: Auto-detecting best mirror ...
17:53 < madtux> INFO: Downloading mirror-list from www.rocklinux.net.
17:53 < madtux> t2 still uses rock's mirrors?
17:54 < mnemoc> [11:45:19] (in fact I still use the ROCK mirror infracstructure ;-)
17:54 < rxr> yep - I just wrote this above ,-)
17:54 < madtux> oh :)
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17:54 < rxr> when we get more out of sync I'll setup a T2 master mirror and then we can start searching for people willing to mirror it ;-)
17:55 < madtux> and name it :)
17:55 < mnemoc> byosl.org
17:55 < madtux> you really should work on a name for the "beast"
17:55 < mnemoc> :)
17:58 < madtux> ok download is progressin.. i've set it up to use linux 2.6 as default kernel.. and got bootsplash enabled
17:58 < madtux> will build desktop
17:59 < madtux> i still need to do some small improvements to the router target and reduce the minimal package selection a lot
18:00 < madtux> i will add selinux+grsecurity stuff in a near future
18:00 < madtux> currently i'm doing this for conectiva linux
18:01 < mnemoc> th did a 'bootstrap' target for 2.0
18:01 < madtux> mmh..
18:06 < rxr> madtux: .oO do not use bootsplash - it is a rock left over ... and most probably work as less as it does in rock ...
18:07 < rxr> what bootsrap target?
18:07 < madtux> doh!
18:07 < rxr> rock shoudl bootstrap itself using my pseudo cross compiler technique ...
18:07 < mnemoc> rxr: to be installed in another machine and start building there
18:08 < rxr> well - the bootdisk / rescue target should have done this ...
18:08 < mnemoc> i guess bootdisk/rescue is more fat than what th wanted
18:12 < mnemoc> rxr: OT: how can i -x some files on svn?
18:12 < rxr> oehm
18:13 < rxr> svn propset svn:executable true or so
18:13 < mnemoc> thanks :)
18:13 < rxr> -- typo variants of course ...
18:15 < mnemoc> uhm, svn propset svn:executable false * and now everything is +x
18:15 < rxr> use "" instead of false ...
18:15 < mnemoc> ok
18:17 < mnemoc> err, still everything is +x .... shoulding i remove the property instead of seting?
18:17 < rxr> hm
18:17 < rxr> yeah - then do that
18:18 < mnemoc> how? :P
18:18 < rxr> propdel
18:19 < mnemoc> done =P
18:19 < mnemoc> thanks
18:19 < rxr> ;-)
18:22 < rxr> me running a sed scripts on all .desc files ...
18:23 < rxr> cool to se the U30 is more stable then indicated in the beginning - although it is a debian kernel right now ... *g*
18:24 < mnemoc> how much uptime?
18:26 < rxr> hm - 1 day 3 hours ... (me wondering if it is correct)
18:26 < martin> rxr: ups, how much disk space is need for build kde?
18:27 < rxr> hm - the result will need some more hundred MB (500 or so)
18:27 < madtux> mm..
18:27 < rxr> but when you removed the old one there should be enough for the new
18:27 < madtux> + tar --owner root --group root --use-compress-program=bzip2 -cf glibc-2.3.4-2004-08-01.tar.bz2 libc
18:27 < madtux> tar: libc: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
18:27 < madtux> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
18:27 < madtux> + mv glibc-2.3.4-2004-08-01.tar.bz2 /home/mike/projects/t2/trunk/download/mirror/g/glibc-2.3.4-2004-08-01.tar.bz2
18:28 < rxr> hm
18:28 < martin> rxr: and on build time? I need not more space? fine
18:28 < rxr> (/me needs to remove the set +/-x again ;-)
18:28 < madtux> just got this error while downloading glibc
18:28 < rxr> madtux: I saw this - no cvs on the host or so?
18:28 < mnemoc> df -h ? :p
18:29 < madtux> sure i got cvs
18:29 < rxr> madtux: building kde takes much time - for the basic stuff one day or so on your book
18:30 < madtux> mnemoc, i got a 200gb hd just development
18:30 < madtux> good
18:30 < rxr> madtux: hm - could you debug what happnes? maybe cvs server timeout or so?
18:30 < rxr> or host down?
18:31 < madtux> rxr,
18:31 < madtux> CVS :pserver:anoncvs@sources.redhat.com:/cvs/glibc co -P -D 2004-08-01
18:31 < madtux> 8.0K downloaded from CVS archive (download finished).
18:31 < madtux> ++ dirname libc
18:31 < madtux> :S
18:32 * rxr trying ...
18:32 < madtux> weird stuff..
18:32 < rxr> hm - works here ... :-(
18:32 < madtux> let me see
18:32 < madtux> [mike@talena g]$ du -sh glibc-2.3.4-2004-08-01.tar.bz2
18:32 < madtux> 4.0K glibc-2.3.4-2004-08-01.tar.bz2
18:32 < madtux> 0_o no sence
18:33 < madtux> rxr, why does it have to download and i guess build linux 2.4 stuff if i want nothing to do with it?
18:34 < madtux> and i already told scripts/Config i wanted 2.6
18:34 < rxr> nope you selected the "default one" ....
18:34 < rxr> if you do not want 2.4 use O linux24 in the package selection ...
18:34 < madtux> omg..
18:34 < rxr> then you get rid of it ...
18:34 < rxr> omg what?
18:35 < madtux> nothing just wished it was a bit err.. more simple? :)
18:35 < madtux> ah well
18:35 < rxr> it is the "old" rock package selection - the new C
18:35 < rxr> ++ one will be more advanced
18:36 < madtux> great :)
18:36 < madtux> user should not be required to interact with the package selection in the current way
18:36 < rxr> with realy rocking dependency caluclation and an graphical "dependency tree" visualization and selecting / deselcting parts of the dep-tree in the graphical view
18:37 < rxr> yes - the current just suck ...
18:37 < madtux> that sounds like a great thing to do :)
18:37 < madtux> full ack to ur last statement.
18:37 < rxr> and also T2 3.0 will use the same dependency selection as mentioned above for targets
18:37 < madtux> great
18:37 < rxr> currently you have to regex arround on the package list - what you really want is:
18:38 < rxr> build me a system with these components
18:38 < rxr> + koffice
18:38 < rxr> + mplayer
18:38 < rxr> + xine
18:38 < rxr> + linux26
18:38 < rxr> and all the dependencies for it
18:38 < madtux> :)
18:38 < rxr> this is what the new T2 stuff will do ...
18:38 < madtux> with this features t2 will just kick ass
18:39 < rxr> including graphical visualization of the dep-tree and marking optional dependencies and offer the possibility to click (or mark via script) parts of the tree to be disabled and such ...
18:40 < madtux> cool.
18:40 < rxr> not to mention the build-as-user, cross-build all, and so distcc to a fat cluster stuff 3.0 will offer ...
18:40 < rxr> no cluster, no pseudo cross native compiler whatever ugly code in rock hacks
18:41 < rxr> and distributing the compiler runs on the cluster will replace the cluster and cross native fluff more simple and portable then the rock implementation
18:41 < mnemoc> pseudo cross native shit is discusting
18:42 < rxr> yep
18:42 < rxr> and the cluster code is useless with cliffods build dir layout changes anyway (/me noted this on the rock list half a year ago already ...)
18:42 < madtux> what about the install interface? :)
18:42 < rxr> but distcc will rock anyway - and give cross platform clustering
18:42 < rxr> madtux: will be redone
18:43 < rxr> the whole install stuff
18:43 < rxr> with graphical option - we need a graphical installer in this millenium ....
18:43 < madtux> rxr, it would be cool to have a nice looking install interfeace
18:43 < rxr> ack
18:43 < madtux> and we shoudl be able to offer support for multi lang installation and help
18:44 < rxr> but we will not use the redhat fedora one - the gtk python scripting is just ugly - much too much for a install cd
18:44 < rxr> yep
18:45 < madtux> well something else can be done i;m sure
18:46 < rxr> yep - my plan is to use the cool Evas library and maybe GUI layout code that we will need in Gsmp anyway ...
18:46 < rxr> we'll see
18:46 < mnemoc> Downloading download/mirror/p/patch-1.1.10-79.tgz ...
18:46 < mnemoc> ERROR: Found download/mirror/p/patch-1.1.10-79.tgz.cksum-err.
18:47 < rxr> hm
18:48 < rxr> which package is this?
18:49 < mnemoc> hard to know :p
18:49 < rxr> a clip
18:50 < mnemoc> me?
18:50 < mnemoc> i... i... renamed it to clip-patch before the fork.... or after?
18:50 < rxr> maybe after
18:51 < mnemoc> :\
18:51 < mnemoc> ok
18:51 < rxr> I got the file from the rock mirror - and that checksum was ok ...
18:51 < mnemoc> i guess i'll have to do some maintainment work
18:52 < madtux> perhaps :)
18:55 < madtux> ok brb going to the kitchen to make me a nice sandwish :)
18:59 < rxr> a 228 fiel commmit running - me shortly into kitchen, too
19:07 < rxr> Committed revision 4040.
19:16 * madtux returns
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19:34 < martin_> re
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19:37 < martin> modern art: http://nexus.tfh-berlin.de/~martin/tfh/Filez/moma_download.sh ;)
19:49 < martin> rxr: -> $root/var/adm/logs/9-arts.out -> 9-arts.err
19:50 < martin> == 09/25/04 19:47:12 =[9]=> Aborted building package arts.
19:53 < martin> rxr: are u here?
19:58 < rxr> re
19:58 < rxr> tail -n 25 of the logfile?
20:03 < martin> all other kde packes are aborted, too
20:03 < martin> if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../mcop -I../flow -I../flow -DEXECUTE=\"/opt/kde33/bin/artsd\" -I/opt/kde33/include -I/opt/qt33/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I
20:03 < martin> ../libltdl -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -D_REENTRANT -pthread -I/opt/gnome24/include/glib-2.0 -I/opt/gnome24/lib/glib-2.0/include -Wnon-virtual-dtor -Wno-long-long -Wunde
20:03 < martin> f -ansi -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500 -D_BSD_SOURCE -Wcast-align -Wconversion -Wchar-subscripts -Wall -W -Wpointer-arith -Wwrite-strings -DNDEBUG -DNO_DEBUG -O2 -Wformat-securi
20:03 < martin> ty -Wmissing-format-attribute -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -fno-common -ftemplate-depth-99 -MT soundserverstartup_impl.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/soundserverstartup_imp
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20:03 < rxr> yes - due to artsd absense - sanity check before anything is done in the kde packges ...
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20:04 < rxr> hi - better paste in a querry ...
20:05 < rxr> query even
20:05 < martin> re ;)
20:05 < martin> http://nexus.tfh-berlin.de/~martin/t2/
20:06 < rxr> hm- errors due to jack support ...
20:06 < rxr> you can either mine -rf jack (to uninstall it) or update it
20:07 < rxr> Emerge jack ...
20:07 < rxr> sorry that arts has a problem with the version installed on your box ....
20:07 < rxr> but you can just uninstall jack - you do not need it ...
20:09 < martin> ack
20:09 < martin> root@julia:~# mine -rf jack
20:09 < martin> No such package: jack
20:10 < rxr> oeh
20:10 < rxr> ls /var/adm/packages/jack*
20:10 < rxr> ?
20:10 < martin> true
20:11 < martin> where is mine's db?
20:11 < rxr> mine does not has any bianry db
20:11 < rxr> it uses the normal files in /var/adm ...
20:11 < rxr> what is the ls output from above?
20:12 < martin> root@julia:/var/adm/packages# ll jack
20:12 < martin> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1,3K 2004-05-11 19:28 jack
20:12 < rxr> arts seem to not check for jack - but just compile the support ... - at least according to the log ...
20:12 < rxr> and ls /var/adm/flists/jack ?
20:13 < martin> there is no jack
20:13 < rxr> hm - interesting ...
20:13 < martin> tehre are only ~20 files ...
20:13 < rxr> hm - was there one pre 2.0 rock where the binary creation hat a bug not to package flist files ...
20:14 < rxr> then just Emerge the T2 jack - arts should compile then ...
20:14 < martin> wir hatten das thema shcon mal, als ich bei dir war.
20:14 < martin> (rss_glx) ...
20:14 < rxr> ah yes - you have some pre 2.0 rock? -rc s.th. or so ... or even -beta IIRC - one release had this damn bug ....
20:15 < rxr> just building jack seems to be the easiest fix ...
20:15 < martin> yes
20:15 < martin> ok
20:19 < rxr> in the beginning of Oct. we will have T2 2.1-rc1 - you should install it then - gcc34 is a bit faster compiling stuff ...
20:19 < rxr> aside that the binaries are smaller and faster ...
20:19 < rxr> (at least normally)
20:24 < martin> hmm, if e17 enlightenment?
20:24 < rxr> yep - but e17 has no windowmanager yet - just some cool stuff ...
20:25 < rxr> e16 is the current enlightenment16 windowmanager ...
20:27 < martin> entrance - WOW
20:28 < martin> ah and e16 is not a part of old dRock, or?
20:30 < rxr> you mean your ruccent ROCK pre2.0 installation ?
20:30 < martin> yes
20:31 < rxr> nope e16 did not exist at that time ...
20:31 < rxr> e16 in rock ...
20:31 < rxr> e17 is longer part of rock ...
20:31 < rxr> anyway just Emerge it if you want it ...
20:31 < rxr> but for enlightenment16 you need fnlib - and Emerge does not yet handly
20:32 < rxr> dependencies so well - so buildt it before ..
20:32 < rxr> :-(
20:34 < martin> okay
21:16 < rxr> re
21:16 < rxr> so - just chrooted into the new 64bit root on the U30 - X stuff seems to work out
21:17 < madtux> :)
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21:46 < martin> rxr: wie lang braucht kde bauen ca?
21:46 < rxr> 1tag
21:46 < rxr> one day
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23:19 < mnemoc> download rsync gives 404 from original site =)
23:20 < rxr> hm - was a pre release /me checking
23:22 < rxr> pre2 is out
23:22 < rxr> just update it locally or so ... :-(
23:24 < mnemoc> i'll do it... but i have lot of time until downlaod -all finishes
23:26 < rxr> just download required ;-)
23:26 < mnemoc> :p
--- Log closed Sat Sep 25 00:00:01 2004